Am I just being mean?

[Strayer Mate]

noticing a worrying trend round some RnT shops in Rosebery/Mascot area lately.... the new scenario goes...
no discussion of extras at first.. "after" ML say... OK, Part I first...pay $35-$40 for half hour ... all good...

ML:so about 5-10mins from end... 'roll over' ... u want extras maybe? smile smile.... I take clothes off, u pay me $50... no touch inside...

Me:what?.. only about 5 mins left and u want $50 for nude HJ, no touch.... umm how about $40 nude? or $50 BJ?

ML: NO, $50 HJ, no touch

Me: only 5mins left so how much for clothed HJ... u keep clothes on, no touch... 20?

ML: No... u pay $50 now.. just HJ, clothes or no clothes

well, the first time I paid coz the ML looked hot, I was hot, and I thought I'd just cop it.. rushed/hurried HJ ensued as expected within 5 min time limit, not helped by the interuption to fumble for wallet after the 'You pay me now please, not after"

BUT now this scenario is repeating itself.. and the MLs are not that hot.. just tubby MILFs... so the last few times I have dug my heels in and refused to pay the $50, saying either nude from start, a bodyslide atleast OR just cheaper clothed HJ ... the ML gets annoyed and finishes massage early.. both of us end up disappointed..but atleast I get to keep the $50

my question is am I being mean? too high expectations?.... I expect a bit more for $50 "tip" in 30min session in either looks, longer nude HJ/bodyslide time OR cheaper options ... obviously ML return factor is zero, but trying new MLs and joints in this area is proving more miss than hit...

any suggestions, (besides try another area..it's convenient) ?? Is insisting on negotiating upfront on extras best tac, esp. is there's no question the joint is definitely RnT, even though the ML is dismissive at first??

[AHLUNGOR]

noticing a worrying trend round some RnT shops in Rosebery/Mascot area lately.... the new scenario goes...
no discussion of extras at first.. "after" ML say... OK, Part I first...pay $35-$40 for half hour ... all good...

ML:so about 5-10mins from end... 'roll over' ... u want extras maybe? smile smile.... I take clothes off, u pay me $50... no touch inside...

Me:what?.. only about 5 mins left and u want $50 for nude HJ, no touch.... umm how about $40 nude? or $50 BJ?

ML: NO, $50 HJ, no touch

Me: only 5mins left so how much for clothed HJ... u keep clothes on, no touch... 20?

ML: No... u pay $50 now.. just HJ, clothes or no clothes

well, the first time I paid coz the ML looked hot, I was hot, and I thought I'd just cop it.. rushed/hurried HJ ensued as expected within 5 min time limit, not helped by the interuption to fumble for wallet after the 'You pay me now please, not after"

BUT now this scenario is repeating itself.. and the MLs are not that hot.. just tubby MILFs... so the last few times I have dug my heels in and refused to pay the $50, saying either nude from start, a bodyslide atleast OR just cheaper clothed HJ ... the ML gets annoyed and finishes massage early.. both of us end up disappointed..but atleast I get to keep the $50

my question is am I being mean? too high expectations?.... I expect a bit more for $50 "tip" in 30min session in either looks, longer nude HJ/bodyslide time OR cheaper options ... obviously ML return factor is zero, but trying new MLs and joints in this area is proving more miss than hit...

any suggestions, (besides try another area..it's convenient) ?? Is insisting on negotiating upfront on extras best tac, esp. is there's no question the joint is definitely RnT, even though the ML is dismissive at first??



Hey brother SM,


You being a foundation member, really not expecting you ever fallen into these kind of situations or traps, why not taking matters into your own hands and control your own destiny/pleasure/value for money ?? and I take it the above mentioned situations only happens when you are seeing the ML for the very first time ? or perhaps visiting an unknown new shop ?

Don't think it would happen to a ML you are seeing repeat or to your regular shop !

And even if you are trying a new girl or a new shop for the first time, why not tip the girl at the start of the session ??

I have never had a similar problem as yours !! but then again, I hardly venture into an unknown shop these days - the large shop I visited for the first time was Pyrmont Star and I paid my massage fees and tips up front and I had a ball with a brand new girl - regrettably she only has an A Cup was beyond my control..............lol, she was still pretty good though and has a nice ass !!

Cheers

:smile:

[Oneonone]

Bro AH


I have never had a similar problem as yours !! but then again, I hardly venture into an unknown shop these days

That's not surprising I thought you had tried them all:smile:

[AHLUNGOR]

Bro AH



That's not surprising I thought you had tried them all:smile:


Haha, not quite brother OOO,

What I wish and what I can actually afford (time wise and money wise ) is two totally different beasts !

Nowadays, I either go to some of my favourite girls such as Rebecca or Vicky or Nicole or I will be trying a new girl who has been highly recommended to me by trusted Mamasan friends like Yuki, Jessie or Iris ! So it's great to have good friends !

But after the Ashes series, I actually had a few very good wins which will go a long way in sponsoring my punts: the Aussie to win the fifth test : @$2.65 ! Can you imagine getting these odds ? And Steve Smith to top score @$4.00!

Plus bets I placed at the start of the series: Smith top scorer at $3.75 and Starc top wicket taker at $3.50

Plus a few other multis now all alive : smith on to Hawks, smith on to Swans , smith and Broncos and smith and cowboys ! All are on pretty good odds !

Cheers

[Strayer Mate]

Being the guru of RnT, Ahl, I'm gonna try ur sage advice of just presenting the $50 at the start and see where that gets me... and yes, I dont have this issue at regular spot or others outside the area... just a few in area that are just very very convenient when time is short.... so I'll give it a go....thanks

[AHLUNGOR]

Being the guru of RnT, Ahl, I'm gonna try ur sage advice of just presenting the $50 at the start and see where that gets me... and yes, I dont have this issue at regular spot or others outside the area... just a few in area that are just very very convenient when time is short.... so I'll give it a go....thanks



No worries mate, I am just lucky that I have a few go to shops and a few go to girls as well, as a result, I hardly had a bad punt, but that's just for Sydney.

When I travel inter state or venture into any new shops (excluding all the advertisers here - whose are the sure things.............lol), I am just in the same boat like any other brothers - fish out of water at times !!

Like when I was in Melbourne, I went to this Korean shop and ended up paying $100 for a BBBJ and HJ finishes on top of a $70/60 massage fees.

In Cairns, I couldn't find a RnT................lol, ended up having a Japanese and a Taiwan legit massage, eventually went to a Korean FS shop and got the job done.

Same over at Perth, can't find a RnT and had 2 legit session inside a shopping centre, ended up seeing a Private FS girl.

Worst case was Adelaide, again, only legit massages, all FS shops were shockers too, so had a look see at the local strip club then back to the hotel DIY !!

It's not easy at all mate................haha

Cheers

:slobber:

[Oneonone]

Looks like you have had some wins all round bro AH.

I find the best punts I have these days are with the girls I already know or if I try an new lady its usually on that is recommended to me.

Another win win one might say!

At least I don't usually waste time or money on bad punts.

Wouldn't we all like to have unlimited funds to punt!

[AHLUNGOR]

Looks like you have had some wins all round bro AH.

Wouldn't we all like to have unlimited funds to punt!

Yeap, won't that be nice ?

Has any brother get in on the new lotteries game Set for Life ?

$20,000 a month for the next 20 years !

Imagine the kind of good punts that's gonna cum your way !!

[imaragingbull]

What would honestly change though brother AHL?

You'd still see the same MLs that you like and know...

- more generous with tips/fees?
- pay for new EEE MLs for professional massage training?
- have your own private ML?

Start your own shop?

[AHLUNGOR]

What would honestly change though brother AHL?

You'd still see the same MLs that you like and know...

- more generous with tips/fees?
- pay for new EEE MLs for professional massage training?
- have your own private ML?

Start your own shop?

Well, fantasy is one thing, but reality is what we have to live with !!

If I win any thing big tomorrow , honestly , nothing much is gonna change , I love my Mrs, so we are going to grow old together ! And I my age , I can't really do more than one or two punts a week anyway !

Tip more, absolutely , try some expensive privates , you bet !

Otherwise, same old same old

[illidanstormrage]

Honestly I think it all depends but in a way tipping upfront is a good plan because ideally she will be cutting the massage short so you can have more playtime. Otherwise you get to the scenario you described.

Having 10 or so minutes until the end of the session and that time is probaly be wasted negotiating with them which kills the mood as well.

Tipping upfront tells her exactly why you are there but sometimes this can backfire as well because she already has the money.

So she might not try as hard.. or even at all in the part 2 and this is most likely because many guys let her get away with princess behaviour and they'll just cop it sweet like you did.
Paying $50 for a dodgy handjob and seeing them naked for 5 mins possibly even some touching allowed...

Bottom line is you aren't mean. You are a punter and this is still the sexual market. So of course you want value for money (within reason) and I say you fucking should get it.
Helps to be always be willing to walk lol.

[kezza]

Now there's a second shop just opened on King St at Mascot , competition just might lift service levels.. I've tipped up front at 203 King and been OK. . Not as good as CBD service but not bad.. can only get better with competition a few doors up...

[aussiegaigin]

I won't pay $50 tip in a 30 minute session. If she is an unknown girl, I will only offer $20 for the HJ. If she has performed well, I might extend the session to 60 minutes, or will take the hour next time around.

[wallyhead]

This is a service industry where a WL is providing a personal service. Do you negotiate with a doctor, lawyer, consultant, accountant who all provide personal services for a fee? - no. WL are not selling goods in a bazaar market - they provide a service for a fee - talk of negotiating fees and if they exceed expectations then one may extend to an hour and then pay the normal entitlement is degrading to the WL and cheapens the service they provide. The personal service they provide is not for the faint hearted. I think it requires considerable courage. No wonder some of them develop attitudes with all this demeaning haggling - you really can't blame them. For what you blokes receive for the price is considerably more economical than following the normal custom of playing the field (so to speak), dating.. courting and then ending up in a relationship or two. Ease up a bit. Don't negotiate these girls down. Be a little more generous, show some respect and watch what happens.. it may surprise you.

[illidanstormrage]

This is a service industry where a WL is providing a personal service. Do you negotiate with a doctor, lawyer, consultant, accountant who all provide personal services for a fee? - no. WL are not selling goods in a bazaar market - they provide a service for a fee - talk of negotiating fees and if they exceed expectations then one may extend to an hour and then pay the normal entitlement is degrading to the WL and cheapens the service they provide. The personal service they provide is not for the faint hearted. I think it requires considerable courage. No wonder some of them develop attitudes with all this demeaning haggling - you really can't blame them. For what you blokes receive for the price is considerably more economical than following the normal custom of playing the field (so to speak), dating.. courting and then ending up in a relationship or two. Ease up a bit. Don't negotiate these girls down. Be a little more generous, show some respect and watch what happens.. it may surprise you.

As a punter described the industry "norm" is $20 for unclothed handjob possibly bra off and $50 for everything off, handjob and maybe just a smile opposed to a grimace or death stare for asking her to do such a terrible thing like getting undressed.

Punters with experience definitely would empathize with ML's and WL's they know it's not an "easy" job as you deal with a whole range of customers.

I've shown nothing but respect for every girl I've been with but you still have to negotiate sometimes or you will get the short end of the stick.

ML's do provide a service for a fee and it's up to them what service they will provide and at what fee. As a punter I will generally always "tip" (you are still essentially paying her) $50 and voice my expectation for what I would like (see above) and hopefully I can be able to enjoy that for 10-15 minutes from a 30-45 minute session.... then be on my way.

[rooter]

If you are after FS as in DFK, BBBJ, DATY, Fucking and maybe even CIM then your best bet is to go to a FS shop.
If you like MILFs then places like 533 Willoughby and Taren 64 are excellent value at around $150-$180 per hour.
If you like younger girls then Ginza is your best bet with excellent girls at $190-$240 per hour.
There are Diamond girls at $280 but you don't have to spend that much for top quality girls at Ginza.
If you want an honest R&T shop where you will get an excellent nude HJ then 316 Central and their sister shop at 227 Broadway is the way to go.

[ouch]

Just pay your tips up front and . If ur only having half our ask nicely for part 2 first and massage to finish..simple

[Starved]

What's the norm for part 3 if available ?

[AHLUNGOR]

Whatever the girl thinks she can get away with, and generally more than a FS shop. Commonly $100-$150 on top of the shop rate, and you don't get the same level of service CIM BBBJ etc that you often get in fs shops. The girl generally will only want to fuck for a short time. Kind of a waste unless you are really into the girl

Yeap, Anyone actually looking for BBBJ , CIM and FS really should just go to a FS shop!

I think a lot of people religiously go to RnT shop and try to get FS with the mls are either for the convenient or of the belief or thinking that mls don't fuck all the times so she must be fresher or cleaner or whatever they had in mind！and of course, thinking that he is the only person who has fucked the massage girl gave them some vanity and satisfaction ! Of course, there are mls who simply don't offer bj or FS to 99% of the client and if you are the only or few lucky one then it could be something very special , but chances are ......... Let's not even get there !

I suppose when you walk into any FS shop, all the WLs there are sure thing, you pay, they suck and you fuck ! Vs in a massage shop where the mls can say no no no no no may be next time ..... Lol

Each to his own and this topic had been brought up so many many times !

[H3da]

One of the ML charged me $70 for CIM. She asked me to never ask her again because she claims its her first time but never again. I'm sure she would be open to it again if the money is offered :)

[wallyhead]

Seems like the need for a menu perhaps? What's the difference between say $20 or $30 or $40 or $50 or so on. How much do you spend on lunch a day or buying a cup of coffee or two? Are we that price sensitive that we have to haggle for something we normally can't get in the normal social settings but we desperately crave and can only get it by paying for it. Seems to me that there may be an over supply of guys and an under supply of service providers. The Keynesian law of demand and supply. The price of this service will keep going up because so many of us use it. Be prepared to pay more and don't be surprised if you're counter offer is rejected in favour of a higher price offered by someone else. The WL won't care if you walk away because of the excess demand and under supply. It's happening.

[AHLUNGOR]

I tipped $20 at the start of my massage for a hj, bad mistake, once she got the $20 she spent 10 minutes trying to get another $30 from me to make it up to $50 so she could do nude hj, she kept saying you have lots of money, I wasn't interested and I ended up with her giving me attitude and a very average and mechanical hj

Was that a new ML from an unknown shop ??