Scum of the earth

[Jamesjohnson13]

If you are one of these seedy and creepy blokes that asks for extra's and does not pay you are legit scum. I really hope karma bites you on the ass in the future. If you require these services at least be a decent human being and pay the asking price of the girl or leave. Don't skip out and don't pay them after the act. You are preying on young naive girls doing anything they can to stay in the most amazing country in the world which you were luckily born into. You don't know these girls or some of the shit they have gone through please if you are going to use them for these services at least pay them ffs.

[lazcuba77]

Wow bru ,thats totally bullshit.when i dont have enought money for extras i just look for a legit place n get a decent massage.Happy whit that but ask for extras n leave whitout pay,fuck sake !!!i rater stay at home n wank watching porn.

[reddoor]

Agree the whole point of punting ,for me anyway ,is to find a good ml u connect with and give u that extra attention losers treating them like crap just makes them sus of everyone . I once said something to my fav ml at the time with whom i was very friendly and proceeded to get a 10min lecture on how we girls r human with feelings too and a spray about her previous customer.loved it . We then connected better than ever. No jokes about the spray pl

[daveweelan82]

If you are one of these seedy and creepy blokes that asks for extra's and does not pay you are legit scum. I really hope karma bites you on the ass in the future. If you require these services at least be a decent human being and pay the asking price of the girl or leave. Don't skip out and don't pay them after the act. You are preying on young naive girls doing anything they can to stay in the most amazing country in the world which you were luckily born into. You don't know these girls or some of the shit they have gone through please if you are going to use them for these services at least pay them ffs.
it happens more than you can imagine.where customers try to cheat these girls. They promise to pay then at the end when all is done they just smile and say no money or only have $5. But its more often than not guys who were not born in this country and before we start using the racist card ask your ML and they will confirm what I'm saying . I agree some from here try cheating but rare.

[lazcuba77]

it happens more than you can imagine.where customers try to cheat these girls. They promise to pay then at the end when all is done they just smile and say no money or only have $5. But its more often than not guys who were not born in this country and before we start using the racist card ask your ML and they will confirm what I'm saying . I agree some from here try cheating but rare.am am not born in here n that shit idea never cross for my mind bru.

[Brissie.Punter]

a few of the ML and massage shop practices that encourage punters to do a runner are cutting short paid massage time, not returning the punter's $5 or $10 dollars change and providing an overpriced shit service ... JJ13 perhaps you should encourage your young naive ML to leave the industry that provides HJ, BBBJ, CBJ, CIM, BBFS, FS in an unlicensed, unregulated environment where she runs the risk of not only a punter doing a runner but also the more serious risk of physical assault, sexual assault and/or rape including digital rape

[flamejob]

It is a risky business and I agree that punters who don't pay are scum of the earth. While some may cut time short or give a shit massage, the punter should be raising that at the time. If they agreed to pay for the ending, then they should pay. if they have issue with the time then bitch about it but don't refuse to pay for the extras. By and large, I've found most girls are generally giving a pretty good service. I believe they need to be respected and treated properly. my opinion is that if i'm short-changed by 10 mins, then it is a risk I took. occasionally i have challenged it and they will usually continue the massage, otherwise, i wear it and let them pocket the money anyway. i think some of the Asian MLs particularly, may well have come from shit or poor backgrounds so probably need the money more than I do.

[revolnaisa]

99% of the time, pay first then service + extras. I haven't seen the 1% yet though.

[RottenLittlePunt]

Cutting time is a piss poor excuse for being a total cunt. If you get bad service anywhere, you don't have the right to decide for yourself how to get even.
I have some MLs that I don't pay for extras, but that is because I feel she isn't expecting payment, and is always confirmed by the next visit.

[Brissie.Punter]

RLP I try and not over-identify with sex workers as this can lead to the "Captain-save-a-whore" syndrome ... if a total cunt is a dissatisfied punter who does a runner without payment for extras, what do you call a punter that feels-up a ML to test her boundries without her consent ... talk to MLs and ask how often this happens you just might be surprised about how many times they are the victim of sexual assault

[Brissie.Punter]

a comment on the myth of the poor Asian family background of MLs ... poor Asian families cannot afford the air fares, accommodation, tution ($200 + per week) and the lost income of their daughter for 12 months to 3 years ... the children of poor Asian families may not even finish primary school so a 12 month sabbatical in Australia would be the exception rather than the normal ... sex workers want the same relationship with you as a punter as you do with your ATM ... a quick and easy way to access your money

[RottenLittlePunt]

RLP I try and not over-identify with sex workers as this can lead to the "Captain-save-a-whore" syndrome ... if a total cunt is a dissatisfied punter who does a runner without payment for extras, what do you call a punter that feels-up a ML to test her boundries without her consent ... talk to MLs and ask how often this happens you just might be surprised about how many times they are the victim of sexual assault

They would be a cunt also. Similar to the type of mysogonistic cunt that stereotypically refers to women as whores and has ignorant ideas about other cultures.

[Brissie.Punter]

RLP ... I agree such person (the total cunt) would not have spend much time in South East Asian countries, would not be a Buddhist, would not speak a South East Asian language and would have not taken the time to actually talk to MLs about what they dislike most about their job ... btw anyone who thinks that both the actions of the total cunt who does a runner to avoid payment for extras and the total cunt who sexually assaults a ML have the same impact on the ML exhibits that very same mysogonistic thinking as the total cunt that refers to all women (as opposed to only sex workers) as whores

[RottenLittlePunt]

btw anyone who thinks that both the actions of the total cunt who does a runner to avoid payment for extras and the total cunt who sexually assaults a ML have the same impact on the ML exhibits that very same mysogonistic thinking as the total cunt that refers to all women (as opposed to only sex workers) as whores

Do you even know what you are saying here? Clearly you don't .....

[Brissie.Punter]

RLP the intent of the post was to expose the hypocritical thinking of those punters who express outrage at the alleged non-payment of extra services (ie prostitution) and remain silent on the serious issue of unwanted sexual advances/assaults by punters who assume that all MLs are prostitutes (ie whores) in the business of selling sexual services ... the use of whore (ie prostitute) was designed to be provocative to highlight the misconception of many punters that getting a HJ from a ML is not really engaging in prostitution and that MLs who provide the HJ are not really prostitutes

[gpeck80]

"a comment on the myth of the poor Asian family background of MLs ... poor Asian families cannot afford the air fares, accommodation, tution ($200 + per week) and the lost income of their daughter for 12 months to 3 years ... the children of poor Asian families may not even finish primary school so a 12 month sabbatical in Australia would be the exception rather than the normal ... sex workers want the same relationship with you as a punter as you do with your ATM ... a quick and easy way to access your money"



+1

[domo]

or, they want to run away from their ex and from their friends who's connected to the ex and have enough for a flight over and a little to go and find a job. It does not have to be this industry, it happens all over the place. They may not even want to study ;). until they want to say after 1-2 years.

[ecchi.gaijin]

So another one of you fucktards got caught trying to video record your massage session last night around 8:00pm at Star West End. The girl in question is a friend of mine and I am taking her to the police today to lodge a complaint against you. Between the CCTV footage and the credit card receipt you left, I am sure the police will have no trouble finding you.

Whether they take any real interest in the case is yet to be seen, but if you ever show your face there again or if I hear of you trying it again I will take an interest in finding you.


As for anyone else who has or is considering trying to do this dog act. I am notifying all owners and MLs that I know to be wary of this sort of thing. I am telling them to either smash your phone if they catch you, take photos of you naked , photos of your car or any other method to identify you. Then you will learn a lesson in what sort of low acts can be commited in order to ruin another person's life.

[JustMetoday]

What sort of fuckwit does this sort of violation anyways ?

[popeye96]

While I in no way condone that sort of thing, do you really want to bring police attention to another massage shop in light of what has happened to other places recently?

[RottenLittlePunt]

Star was one of the shops handed a warning by police a few months ago, so they are already on their radar.

[dean69]

I had a massage at my usual in Southport, she told me they have been having trouble. After the girl has finished and puts her hand out they say they are not paying and will go to the police. She also told me they no longer massage Indians.

[gpeck80]

"So another one of you"

Feel free to post evidence that a user on this particular site did that. There must be thousands of punters that frequent these places that don't log in here. Some of the older punters don't even know how to turn on a computer. That sort of assumption just makes you look like an idiot.

"Whether they take any real interest in the case is yet to be seen, but if you ever show your face there again or if I hear of you trying it again I will take an interest in finding you."

Well if a punter is found dead or bashed, the police will know to look for you.

"I am telling them to either smash your phone if they catch you"

You're an idiot. If the person winds up dead, you're an accessory to it.

"take photos of you naked"

Creepy.

"photos of your car or any other method to identify you."

That's fine as long as its given to the police and not used by you to use to target someone with the equally dog act of violent revenge, king hits. coward punches etc In my experience, the type of person that makes anonymous threats, tries to also do violence anonymously. = Pussy.

"Then you will learn a lesson in what sort of low acts can be commited in order to ruin another person's life."

And so will you if the police catch you doing that, idiot.

No it wasn't me photographed anybody, but I think you're hero act just makes you look like a pussy. I do hope that
the ML reading this rewards you with some of hers though. You sound sexually frustrated and in need of a good root.

[ecchi.gaijin]

As was to be expected, the resident clown put on his makeup and jumped around making a fool of himself with naive comments.

As was pointed out previously by another poster, you have nearly 900 posts and not one of them is an after review, nor have you ever shared via PM with anyone on here (anyone confirm otherwise?), just mindless jokes and uneducated comments.

You have to ask yourself, what exactly is Gpeck's purpose for being here? Aside from filling in the void that is his life. :miao:

[popeye96]

There's generally at least one on every forum. Has a high post count, but actually contributes nothing useful. They like to make themselves seem popular and intelligent, while being able to hide behind a keyboard, when in fact, in real life they are ignored by most and have a below average IQ. It's an attempt at making themselves feel important.

[daveweelan82]

I agree it is bad what has happened but every one knows the boss here and would she really want you to involve the police. If she did I am sure she would do so herself. Maybe you can find him another way without involving this poor girl .I am sure she would not want all the questions.if they do find him we then have his word against her and the way they are with massage shop now I dont think she would win sadly. But its up to both of you I hope it works out for you both .

[gpeck80]

Exactly. Just the resident sook and his bum chum having a hissy fit, trying to act the hero in a desperate attempt to impress some chicky to freebie sex. Pathetic lol.

[HBerg]

I'll start by saying I think recording is morally/ethically a dog act but I am curious as to why the police would be interested in recording? I would wonder if the ML would be willing to admit she was naked or performing some other act which would render such a recording indecent. That is the only circumstance in which the police can get involved and is why brothel's have signs up saying no cameras.

In a supposedly legitimate massage shop with no sexual services, there would be no 'private act' taking place which would or could warrant a reasonable expectation of privacy. In this case, all they could do is ask him to leave and he would be trespassing if he refused to leave.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/cc189994/s227a.html

Private act is defined in the legislation as



(a) showering or bathing; or
(b) using a toilet; or
(c) another activity when the person is in a state of undress; or
(d) intimate sexual activity that is not ordinarily done in public.

So, unless the ML is proposing to go and admit to providing sexual services in an unlicenced brothel, I would caution against taking her to the police station.

[RottenLittlePunt]

I suggest you read your own link closer

"when the other person—
(i) is in a private place; or
(ii) is engaging in a private act and the observation or visual recording is made for the purpose of observing or visually recording a private act;"

It doesn't only cover private acts.

"private place means a place where a person might reasonably be expected to be engaging in a private act."
Once the location falls under the category of private place, ALL acts undertaken there are covered. So there is no need to fear self incrimination.

That aside, there is also the Privacy Act to rely on.

[HBerg]

I suggest you read your own link closer

"when the other person—
(i) is in a private place; or
(ii) is engaging in a private act and the observation or visual recording is made for the purpose of observing or visually recording a private act;"

It doesn't only cover private acts.

"private place means a place where a person might reasonably be expected to be engaging in a private act."
Once the location falls under the category of private place, ALL acts undertaken there are covered. So there is no need to fear self incrimination.

That aside, there is also the Privacy Act to rely on.

Your own quote, both (i) and (ii) rely on a private act being recorded.

Massaging is not a private act under the legislation, so a massage shop would not be a private place where a person might reasonably be expected privacy while engaging in a private act. Keep in mind, I listed the private acts for you, none of them include massage.

If you planted a camera in the toilet or changing area of a massage shop, you would be up for this charge. But if you're only recording yourself and a supposedly clothed, legit ML, then she would have no cause to make a complaint unless she copped to providing sexual services which would be a private act.

Privacy Act would have nothing to do with that, although I am happy to hear what section of the Act you think applies.

[Rodgersodger]

At the end of the day it is up to any business if someone can Record or not !!! Like strip clubs now who don't allow even to make a call as they think u recording .
Does not matter if legit or if u are getting extras the point is it is wrong without permission plain and simple!!! Having a open plain view cctv and having a hidden can is completely different one is legal other is not

[RottenLittlePunt]

Your own quote, both (i) and (ii) rely on a private act being recorded.

Massaging is not a private act under the legislation, so a massage shop would not be a private place where a person might reasonably be expected privacy while engaging in a private act. Keep in mind, I listed the private acts for you, none of them include massage.

If you planted a camera in the toilet or changing area of a massage shop, you would be up for this charge. But if you're only recording yourself and a supposedly clothed, legit ML, then she would have no cause to make a complaint unless she copped to providing sexual services which would be a private act.

Privacy Act would have nothing to do with that, although I am happy to hear what section of the Act you think applies.


No you need to learn how to read and understand laws better.

If the location is considered a private place, ALL persons and acts within that location are covered. It means that you cannot record ANYTHING within that location.

If you are not in a location considered to be a private place, then only private acts are protected.

If only private acts were protected, subsection 1(b)(i) would be redundant.


Aside from that, subsection 2 and 3 go on to include recordings of genitals and anus even if covered by underwear.

[HBerg]

No you need to learn how to read and understand laws better.

If the location is considered a private place, ALL persons and acts within that location are covered. It means that you cannot record ANYTHING within that location.

If you are not in a location considered to be a private place, then only private acts are protected.

If only private acts were protected, subsection 1(b)(i) would be redundant.


You said 'if the location is considered a private place' so lets quote from your own post on what the law considers a private place to be.



"private place means a place where a person might reasonably be expected to be engaging in a private act."

And what might a private act constitute?


private act, for a person, means

(a) showering or bathing; or
(b) using a toilet; or
(c) another activity when the person is in a state of undress; or
(d) intimate sexual activity that is not ordinarily done in public.

Wow, what a surprise, I was 100% correct. A private place is a place where private acts take place. Massage is not a private act and it therefore follows that a shop is not a private place.

Aaaaand wait for the penny to drop. As I said, the only recourse for a ML/shop to legally deal with filmers is to give them a direction to leave the property. Smashing phone, damaging cars etc. is all unlawful and will result in the ML/mamasan being arrested.


At the end of the day it is up to any business if someone can Record or not !!! Like strip clubs now who don't allow even to make a call as they think u recording .
Does not matter if legit or if u are getting extras the point is it is wrong without permission plain and simple!!! Having a open plain view cctv and having a hidden can is completely different one is legal other is not

I agree with this, however the only thing you can do as a shop is to ask people to leave. It is not a police matter (the filming).

[RottenLittlePunt]

people get naked in the rooms, therefore it is a private place. You even quoted it yourself multiple times but you couldn't understand it. It is admirable that you continue trying to find a way to be right, sad reality is that you aren't.

[HBerg]

people get naked in the rooms, therefore it is a private place. You even quoted it yourself multiple times but you couldn't understand it. It is admirable that you continue trying to find a way to be right, sad reality is that you aren't.

It is not a question of what the room is used for generally, as long as you take the camera in and leave with it, there is no chance of recording anyone other than yourself.

Simples :)

Unless the ML would like to admit she undressed..

[RottenLittlePunt]

You really don't get it, do you? lol

[Rodgersodger]

Dude wtf ? U can't go recording secret video with out permission pretty simple!!' So u think it ok to put hidden cam in a dressing room of female cloths shop? Or public swimming pool !! Same rules apply...

[Rodgersodger]

Give up RLP they don't get it retards !!

[popeye96]

(d) intimate sexual activity that is not ordinarily done in public.

What I want to know is what intimate sexual activity is ordinarily done in public, and where can I go to view it. ;)

[HBerg]

Unfortunately it seems some mongoloids in this thread cannot distinguish between the actual law and what they feel the law should be.

There is, in law, no difference between surreptitiously recording a massage or walking around K-Mart with spy glasses on to get your jollies

Sorry to burst your bubble, kids.

And before you wonder what the fuck is my authority, here it is.

http://i.imgur.com/dO6zX7j.jpg

[Bubbaloo]

I can't believe I'm getting into this. No, they don't. At least in the case of the PUBLIC swimming pool. Secret camera or not, there is no (fancy lawyer words) reasonable expectation of privacy. Would you looks like a dirty creep? Yes, but completely legal.

[RottenLittlePunt]

Unfortunately it seems some mongoloids in this thread cannot distinguish between the actual law and what they feel the law should be.

There is, in law, no difference between surreptitiously recording a massage or walking around K-Mart with spy glasses on to get your jollies

Sorry to burst your bubble, kids.

And before you wonder what the fuck is my authority, here it is.

http://i.imgur.com/dO6zX7j.jpg

You crack me up. It is 1000% clear that you are have no education in law let alone fully qualification in it. Only supported further by your thinking that a simple photo of a nameless certificate proves anything. Any lawyer worth 2 cents would know that it proves nothing, but you obviously think it does. lol

I have quoted the specific sections of the law that support my view and explained them to you at a level any undergraduate easily could understand. But you insist on huffing and puffing and trying to blow a concrete skyscraper down. You can try as hard as you like but the law is the law and the simple fact is that you are wrong. No ifs, no buts and no need for bullshit stories to support it. Just the simple truth. :)

[RottenLittlePunt]

I can't believe I'm getting into this. No, they don't. At least in the case of the PUBLIC swimming pool. Secret camera or not, there is no (fancy lawyer words) reasonable expectation of privacy. Would you looks like a dirty creep? Yes, but completely legal.

Bubbaloo, firstly we are not referring to public domain. Secondly many local councils have outlawed recording in public property controlled by them such as swimming pools.

This is the problem with the internet, people start thinking opinions are facts ......

[Bubbaloo]

It's not an opinion. It's law. If local councils have banned it, good for them. That is an example of a local ordinance. Not common law. I was responding to dodger, not the post in general.

[Bubbaloo]

It's not an opinion. It's law. If local councils have banned it, good for them. That is an example of a local ordinance. Not common law. I was responding to dodger, not the post in general. And yes, I agree regarding the Internet and opinions.

[RottenLittlePunt]

It's not an opinion. It's law. If local councils have banned it, good for them. That is an example of a local ordinance. Not common law. I was responding to dodger, not the post in general. And yes, I agree regarding the Internet and opinions.

Local ordinances are law.
Your reference to common law is irrelevant as common law is a precedent established by the courts, not legislation.

So yes, you were only stating an opinion and confirmed that you thought it was a fact.

[Bubbaloo]

I'm done... Enjoy yourselves 😉

[jimmyp]

If you enter private property, you are bound by the terms and conditions of the private property. You have implied permission to be there for the purpose of "business". Once you start doing things outside the "business" you are breaking the law. Shopping Centres for example are not public places. You have implied permssion to go there to shop. That is there business. Step outside the boundaries of the business, you are breaking the law and are then trespassing.

[HBerg]

If you enter private property, you are bound by the terms and conditions of the private property. You have implied permission to be there for the purpose of "business". Once you start doing things outside the "business" you are breaking the law. Shopping Centres for example are not public places. You have implied permssion to go there to shop. That is there business. Step outside the boundaries of the business, you are breaking the law and are then trespassing.

Another one who agrees with me. All they can do is ask you to leave.

The police aren't going to come around and enforce the 'terms and conditions' of every private business and send you off to the chokey because you did something the business owner doesn't like. All you will have to do is leave.

[gpeck80]

The bottom line is this

1. Punters shouldn't film anyone without verbal or written permission. Period. its wrong and immoral, whether you're on public property or not.

2. If you absolutely must do that, there are Women out there that let you film their performance. This negates any legal issues. I posted a thread about a woman that is cool with that just last month.

2. Privacy law is clear on this point: You cannot stand in any place of business and start filming without written or verbal permission of the owner or the manager of said business. End of discussion.

Strictly speaking an employee doesn't count, unless that approval is part of their job (like a PR manager), so even if an ML gives permission, it is not just assumed they have that right. No sane shop owner would allow such filming, for obvious reasons.

It's the same deal with private homes. A renter cannot give permission against the wishes of the owner/landlord. Asking a groundskeeper for permission to film inside their boss' house, no can do. Let's not forget that some shops are actually private homes. Also some of the ones that look more like warehouses actually have girls living there, so that line can blur.

There are even limitations on some places most people consider "public". Council parks, government vacant lots, beaches, car parks etc and the same rules apply. The Queen Street Mall and Valley Mall are not considered a public streets in this regard. Both are places of business.

Hberg, if you're doing any unauthorized filming, you're a dickhead. And if you're a lawyer, I'm Ryan Gosling.

Having said that, ecchi.gaijin is a dickhead for threatening people on this board without any actual evidence.