Are we friends or customers?

[dumbling]

I have seen numerous times that fellow punters here call themselves friends of this mamasan or that mamasan. I am just curious how they (the mamasans) view us (being a regular to any particular shop). Are we really their friends or just a walker boner on two legs (or wheels in my case).

At the end of the day I guess it doe not really matter but being a business owner myself, it is kind of tiring when some customers think that they are on a much more intimate relationship I have with them than reality. Like wise, this question also extends to the girls we all see. So is there really a connection with the regular girls or is it just a routine/scheduled session similar to what we have going with a hairdresser?

After spending a fairbit of time at some shops, I would like to think I am pretty "close" to the mamasans but am I really? Hahaha...

[Mr Bastard]

Whatever u want to beleive mate, your paying for it regardless..................but if u make each other feel good its a good thing.................

[Nejums]

Purely business. Anything else is a lie.

[aussiegaigin]

Unless she is offering freebies, you are a customer.

[dumbling]

Does free STDs count?

[dumbling]

Im pretty sure 99% of them look at us like walking dollar signs lol

And we look at them like walking.........? haha

[garfield]

I have friends who are working ML, mostly chatting online, but occasionally catchup for lunch or dinner, sometimes I also visit them in shops but just part1 not part2.

[cisco]

Always customer bra :)

[CunningLinguist]

If you are paying then they are not friends.
People in the service industry pretend to be your friend to get repeat business.
It really is as simple as that.

[Choc-O-Block]

I'm not a religious man but, in God we trust & the rest pay cash!

[the_boss_king]

your a customer first always, but there are exceptions to that rule.

do you talk outside?
do yous meet up outside?

[local]

Just remember, they only want your money.

[dumbling]

your a customer first always, but there are exceptions to that rule.

do you talk outside?
do yous meet up outside?

We do talk, meet and eat outside.

No only that they sometimes accompany me to my physio appointments too. They never asked for money but buying them a meal before/after seems the way to go.

I kind of feel sorry for some of these MLs. The way that we punters being so fussy about how they look or service. I am just glad that they even entertain me, given that I am not very mobile.

I'm ashame of myself for being fussy at times hahaha...

[aussiegaigin]

The distinction is in "being friends" or "being friendly"

[illidanstormrage]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYaPZw5fUW0

"You wanna fuck twenty dollar. You wanna make friend.. cost more."

So this is a good scene from 'Men of War' that is relevant.

[cuteguy]

If you are paying then they are not friends.
People in the service industry pretend to be your friend to get repeat business.
It really is as simple as that.

When you pay, you will always be a customer in the eyes of a WL. I will remember this for as long as I live. A Chinese WL told me once that if a guy pays to have sex with her and even if he takes her out to dinner many times and chats with her on the phone, she will always regard him as a customer.

[5StarFan]

When you pay, you will always be a customer in the eyes of a WL. I will remember this for as long as I live. A Chinese WL told me once that if a guy pays to have sex with her and even if he takes her out to dinner many times and chats with her on the phone, she will always regard him as a customer.

This is so true on so many levels!

When I used to do private ESL work, no matter how friendly or casual you get with students, they will ALWAYS consider you 'sensei'.

Even when you fuck them! They will call you 'sensei'! I guess it's kind of a 'notch' on their belt...like it'd be for a student to fuck their professor.

[babelx]

customer. .

Well that's how I view it.

[the_boss_king]

We do talk, meet and eat outside.

No only that they sometimes accompany me to my physio appointments too. They never asked for money but buying them a meal before/after seems the way to go.

I kind of feel sorry for some of these MLs. The way that we punters being so fussy about how they look or service. I am just glad that they even entertain me, given that I am not very mobile.

I'm ashame of myself for being fussy at times hahaha...


sorry for late reply.
i guess you guys could be friends? but what is it you want out of it?

[A44]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYaPZw5fUW0

"You wanna fuck twenty dollar. You wanna make friend.. cost more."

So this is a good scene from 'Men of War' that is relevant.

Great clip. Now I want to see the movie.
I like to believe that I am more than just a customer with some special ladies that I see.
They have shown me with their actions.
We all know that WLs do this work to make money. Yet I have had Ladies contribute to the cost of me extending our sessions. (I do not make a habit of this).
In the last 2 weeks I have had 2 different WLs pay for me to extend for an additional hour.
In both cases the Ladies involved wanted me to stay and they said that I had given them many things in the past.
It was a great gesture from both of them. Win / Win situation.

I do believe that in some special cases, you can be more than a customer. (I know !!).
I am not sure if this situation would continue if I could not afford to pay.
No Money, No Honey.

[kjs]

I can assure you the answer to that would be no!

[aussiegaigin]

I do believe that in some special cases, you can be more than a customer. (I know !!).
I am not sure if this situation would continue if I could not afford to pay.
No Money, No Honey.

It is easy to be "more than a customer" while you are a customer.

It would be how they treat you if you stopped, that would determine their loyalty to you.

[s0019]

I know it sounds weird but I feel its kind like being a regular customer to a restaurant.

[rooter]

We are always a customer.
Try this simple test ...
Rock up to your favourite shop/mamasan/WL/ML and say "Hey, we've known each other a long time now, we're friends now, I don't need to pay any more, it should be for free now ...
And see the response you get ;)

[Huntsman]

There is no question - We are customers.

To believe anything else would be delusional.

[the_boss_king]

There is no question - We are customers.

To believe anything else would be delusional.

there are always exceptions to this rule.

[CunningLinguist]

q.e.d. ....

[dumbling]

Whats that??

[illidanstormrage]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Qy5Bipc3Yk4/hqdefault.jpg

It all depends.. do you have their personal phone number?

Do you see them outside their place of business.

Do and will they see you on their own time without any monetary compensation, etc.

If the answer is yes. Chances are you are their friend.. with or without benefits is another question.

[A44]

[QUOTE=illidanstormrage;825135]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Qy5Bipc3Yk4/hqdefault.jpg

It all depends.. do you have their personal phone number?

Do you see them outside their place of business.

Do and will they see you on their own time without any monetary compensation, etc.

If the answer is yes. Chances are you are their friend.. with or without benefits is another question.[/

[sukeong]

OP you are in too deep. The minute you stopped spending the money is the minute they drop you like a bag of dung

[dumbling]

So the question is, are they friends worthy or just friends during good times? I think alot of them are genuinely quite nice but having to face alot of us (punters) caused them to be jaded at times. Not everyone of us is a gentleman who respects women. Just saying. haha.

[cuteguy]

OP you are in too deep. The minute you stopped spending the money is the minute they drop you like a bag of dung

Very true. Once you stop seeing them they lose interest in you immediately. Just remember, if you pay for a service you are a customer and not a friend. Even if a girl were to give her number to you it would be for business purposes. If there is a remote chance that she goes out with you socially and even introduces you to her friends during social outings then she might see you as a friend. I know this is unlikely to occur because the WLs would prefer not to mix their work with their personal and social lives.

On the other hand, let's consider this situation. I met this private Asian WL who use to advertise on backpage and cracker. She was very friendly and accommodating. She was even willing to have dinner with customers after meetings and didn't charge for the time she spent having dinner with you. Well, one time I was so hungry and she had no bookings so I invited her out for dinner after our meeting. During our discussion over dinner, she said if we continue to meet up for sex then she will regard me as a customer, however if I stop seeing her for sex, she will treat me as a friend. What do you say to this guys?

[cuteguy]

So the question is, are they friends worthy or just friends during good times? I think alot of them are genuinely quite nice but having to face alot of us (punters) caused them to be jaded at times. Not everyone of us is a gentleman who respects women. Just saying. haha.

I guess many girls start out nice but when they get mishandled and shown no respect then they do change in some ways. However I know from experience that many girls do remember if you treat them with respect and how many times you hear stories from these girls of guys just being real jerks. You do pity them at times. On one occasion, I was talking to the receptionist and the girl. This guy who appeared to be of Indian, Pakistani or Bangladeshian background walked passed us and grabbed the girl's private part and ran for the exit. Can you believe this? No wonder these girls have issues with many customers.

[loaded]

You're always a customer unless you stop seeing them in the shop once you start seeing them outside work.

If it's not friends with benefits I'm not sure why you'd want to be friends....it always always is a lose lose experience.

[x11]

I guess many girls start out nice but when they get mishandled and shown no respect then they do change in some ways. However I know from experience that many girls do remember if you treat them with respect and how many times you hear stories from these girls of guys just being real jerks. You do pity them at times. On one occasion, I was talking to the receptionist and the girl. This guy who appeared to be of Indian, Pakistani or Bangladeshian background walked passed us and grabbed the girl's private part and ran for the exit. Can you believe this? No wonder these girls have issues with many customers.

It's very unfortunate that people of that culture are often brought up in that way and believe they can get away with it. I remember hearing of an incident where a mother was holding a baby and a group of men gang raped her and threw the baby out the window! Another case a girl is raped and she is sentenced for having sex outside of marriage, or something like that. It's all quite disgusting and disgraceful if you ask me.

Having said that I've met some wonderful people from that culture and have been fortunate enough to call them friends. So it's a stereotype, but if i was a wl I'd have no issue in having a blanket no to these ethnic backgrounds, you need to protect yourself. Or at least until the client is well known to the establishment . And yes i acknowledge that is discrimination.

[Alan86]

If you want to know if she sees you as a customer or a friend, ask yourself ' would she meet you outside the shop to hang out ? ' of course, MLs are supposed to give us that impression as part of their job! But I suspect they wouldn't mind being friends outside the shop with any nice guy whose company they enjoy.

Well, it's like if you go to a restaurant often, you become friendly with the owner. They do regard you as a sort of 'friend' aswell as their customer. Another analogy - do you consider your coworkers your friends? They are a sort of friend, but at the end of the day, they are your coworker foremost, unless you are hanging out with them outside work. We are a friend of sorts, but can't call ourselves a true friend unless we are hanging out with them outside the shop, no charge.

With MLs etc, we often share intimate things with them, physically and many things (eg sexual secrets etc) that we wouldn't tell friends/family so they can't help to form a sort of bond with you.

Personally, I consider all of my regular MLs, as 'friends'. I care about them as I would care about my real friends.

We are paying good money, to have a fantasy. But sometimes there is some reality in that fantasy.

[Littlewonder]

You are a customer! you will always be a customer! If you want to have a good punt it pays to remember this you are always a customer the girl is only after the dollars.

[whoiam]

[QUOTE=Alan86;835965]If you want to know if she sees you as a customer or a friend, ask yourself ' would she meet you outside the shop to hang out ? ' of course, MLs are supposed to give us that impression as part of their job! But I suspect they wouldn't mind being friends outside the shop with any nice guy whose company they enjoy.

Well, it's like if you go to a restaurant often, you become friendly with the owner. They do regard you as a sort of 'friend' aswell as their customer. Another analogy - do you consider your coworkers your friends? They are a sort of friend, but at the end of the day, they are your coworker foremost, unless you are hanging out with them outside work. We are a friend of sorts, but can't call ourselves a true friend unless we are hanging out with them outside the shop, no charge.

What if the WL go wiz u for a short destance travel, and ask u go to her friends' home for dinner together....

[carmen farquis]

About 6 months ago i was at 142 and after about 15 minutes there was this huge sigh and the receptionist asked him whats wrong and he said nothing. Naturally i thought he had been waitng to long like me. Then about another 15 minutes later samme thing and he says "Ayumi didn't get my sense of humour if she was australian she would think i was funny."

No one had been paying any attention to him and he had been using up 1 of their waiting rooms for at least half hour.

I think the guys that hang around after their booking or go to the shop with no intention of spending time with 1 of the girls because they think they're friends with the mamasan or because they write positive reviews for the shop or whatever reason they do it are so disrespectful

[Alan86]

[QUOTE=Alan86;835965]If you want to know if she sees you as a customer or a friend, ask yourself ' would she meet you outside the shop to hang out ? ' of course, MLs are supposed to give us that impression as part of their job! But I suspect they wouldn't mind being friends outside the shop with any nice guy whose company they enjoy.

Well, it's like if you go to a restaurant often, you become friendly with the owner. They do regard you as a sort of 'friend' aswell as their customer. Another analogy - do you consider your coworkers your friends? They are a sort of friend, but at the end of the day, they are your coworker foremost, unless you are hanging out with them outside work. We are a friend of sorts, but can't call ourselves a true friend unless we are hanging out with them outside the shop, no charge.

What if the WL go wiz u for a short destance travel, and ask u go to her friends' home for dinner together....

In that case, yes, I'd say she wants to be your friend. Why else would she invite you?

In simplistic terms, generally:

If you are middle aged and have nothing in common with her - she sees you as a punter

If you are young and or/ have things in common with her/ can connect with her - she sees you as a punter / friend

If you are young and or/ have things in common with her / can connect with her , and she sees you outside the shop - she sees you as a friend ( if also inside the shop then punter / friend)

If you are young and and or / have things in common with her / can connect with her , and are handsome / attractive otherwise - she sees you as a friend with benefits / sexual partner / punter (if also in the shop)

This is in simplistic terms what I would think would generally apply.

Of course, only a ML etc could truly answer this question

[Pussyhands]

Can be both mang no think so much just don't smoke her crack pipe if she offer u be right else u gona run up a drug habit

[dy-no-mite1]

I would call it more of an acquaintance

definition: a person one knows slightly, but who is not a close friend.

[jbrixton]

There is nothing wrong with WLs/MLs and I would have no problem with dating an ex WL/ML. I have met some beautiful, intelligent girls in the shops that anyone would be lucky to have as a GF or even wife.


I agree with most of your post but could you really handle knowing that your SO had fucked 500-5000+ other guys?

[jbrixton]

...but yes we are almost always just customers.

[Raybo]

A friend of mine has had relationships with a couple of WL's. He is married and it has complicated his life immensely. He is reasonably well off and the WL's he has these relationships with are at the end of their career so to speak. There has to be some ulterior motive in these WL'S actions. He plays along with it and gets the benefits of BBFS (if you consider that a benefit)...he gets a few freebies here and there and has even got gifts from WL'S for his birthday.

We both visit the same shop. We were working together one Saturday. I had arrived at work and got a call from him from the shop saying he will be late because he had extended with th WL. He called me from the room and i could here her giggling in the background. I said 'say hi to xxx for me'. He showed up later on and was showing me a whatsapp chat he was having with her. She had told the WL i had been visiting what happened and she wanted my number. I passed it on and not long after i had got a message from her saying 'hi i am xxx remeber me? When you come see me'.

I have been pretty much been punting with her since. I have seen 2 other WL's in that time, one was in Melbourne. Whilst we do know a bit about each other on a personal level, she is really only treating me as a regular customer. She is really only interested in when I am coming to see her next. I like her service but now i have seen her 7 or 8 times the excitment is waning a little. It is time to move on and find another WL.

In response to the Ops initial question 'are we friends or customers' i say we are customers first. We may get to a level of friendship of sorts but do you really want that from the WL you are seeing? It can complicate your life even more than just hiding a puntimg habit and if it does go to the next level with a WL, what are they seeking from the arrangement?

[Yageez88]

Anyone ever got a contact from a WL and was told to not see her in the shop but you hang out outside of the shop?

[cuteguy]

Recently, I came across two WLs in the city. I have seen both girls a few times because they were always friendly and chatty during our sessions. Guess what? They ignored me! To answer the question again. We are CUSTOMERS and not friends !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Yageez88]

She offers to pay and does pay for her drinks or my food. Even offered to pay for my taxi/uber home lol.

[cuteguy]

She offers to pay and does pay for her drinks or my food. Even offered to pay for my taxi/uber home lol.

Lucky you!

[Alan86]

Recently, I came across two WLs in the city. I have seen both girls a few times because they were always friendly and chatty during our sessions. Guess what? They ignored me! To answer the question again. We are CUSTOMERS and not friends !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Many WLs will outright ignore customers when they see them in the street. They are very scared that you will mention the shop and others will find out their secret.

[cuteguy]

Many WLs will outright ignore customers when they see them in the street. They are very scared that you will mention the shop and others will find out their secret.

In my case, both girls were from the same shop and knew each other. No secret between them. LOL

[Alan86]

In my case, both girls were from the same shop and knew each other. No secret between them. LOL

It's their standard MO, don't take it personally. If they were to start talking to you, you might mention the shop, and a passer by might overhear, whom They know.

Once I saw a ML in the street, and the next day I visited her shop and booked her in for a session. I told her I'd seen her, and she said I should have come over and said hello! That was odd.

Although I was thinking of this topic today. A shop owner always acts like a friend to me. He then asked if I was married, and I told him no, cause I'd give up punting after marriage. He then tried to convince me that punting was good to keep my marriage healthy! Not sure how much of a friend he was if he was trying to give me the wrong advices which would suit his business?? Or did he really believe that??

[snapjaw]

I still chat with one of the MLs I met a few years ago. She drove me crazy in bed... afterwards she returned to China then came back (has citizenship here). We don't fuck anymore but chat every few days, she's genuinely a friend now. Of course I'd still bang her at the drop of a hat but I wouldn't even ask now lol. She was one of those girls who'd get really really wet when getting her nipples licked. At the time she worked she wouldn't fuck in the shop (even though the other girls there were doing it) no matter how wet I got her, but I got to pay extra and visit her overnight a few times, get BBFS for a few mins then she'd want the condom put on which I went with. But she was so easy to get over the line, every time it would only take a few mins to make her cum once or twice while making love.