30+ and single: are men or women better off?

[Milhouse]

So my friend tried to set me up with this girl who was 33. I was at least open to the idea, but when I saw her, well, let's just say I knew there was no chance. She looked like she may have been decent looking in her 20's and would've been able to snatch a guy, but now looked kinda past her expiry date and had missed the boat.

It made me think, would I be seen the same way as I saw her, being someone 30+ and single? I kinda consider that men's prime are in their 30s, but seeing this girl made me question myself.

Do you think it is better to be a man or woman if single after 30?

[rooter]

Society is patriarchal - blokes rule!
Why? Well its a combination of biology, economics, politics, sociology etc.
After 50 years of feminism women certainly have more power than they used to, but men still rule.
Men have the power and make the rules, set the agenda and the standards, and shape the culture.
So if a man is 35yo he is at his peak, whereas if a woman in 35yo she is old.
If a man is overweight he is solidly built, whereas a woman is fat.
If a man has grey hair he looks distinguished, whereas a woman looks old or has let herself go.
If a man is 10 years older than his partner that's Ok, but if a woman is 10 years older it's an issue.
If a man achieves power then he has earned it, whereas a woman must be a bitch or slept her way to the top or whatever.
If a man fucks lots of women he is a legend, whereas a woman is a slut.
And so on, and so on.
Why is this so? Because men say it is so; and what men say goes.
So yes it is preferable to be a man in society; whether you are in your, 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s ... it's always preferable to be a man.
To be born a woman is to be born a second class citizen; to be born a man is to be born into a position of power.
Of course race, wealth, class 1st World/3rd World etc all come into it too, but gender is still important.
I'm not saying this is a good thing or a bad thing. It's just the way it is.
I'm just thankful and glad I was born a male.

[Milhouse]

Society is patriarchal - blokes rule!
Why? Well its a combination of biology, economics, politics, sociology etc.
After 50 years of feminism women certainly have more power than they used to, but men still rule.
Men have the power and make the rules, set the agenda and the standards, and shape the culture.
So if a man is 35yo he is at his peak, whereas if a woman in 35yo she is old.
If a man is overweight he is solidly built, whereas a woman is fat.
If a man has grey hair he looks distinguished, whereas a woman looks old or has let herself go.
If a man is 10 years older than his partner that's Ok, but if a woman is 10 years older it's an issue.
If a man achieves power then he has earned it, whereas a woman must be a bitch or slept her way to the top or whatever.
If a man fucks lots of women he is a legend, whereas a woman is a slut.
And so on, and so on.
Why is this so? Because men say it is so; and what men say goes.
So yes it is preferable to be a man in society; whether you are in your, 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s ... it's always preferable to be a man.
To be born a woman is to be born a second class citizen; to be born a man is to be born into a position of power.
Of course race, wealth, class 1st World/3rd World etc all come into it too, but gender is still important.
I'm not saying this is a good thing or a bad thing. It's just the way it is.
Every day I am thankful I was born a male.

Thanks for your thoughtful response bro. I tend to agree with everything except the bit about "because men say it is so; and what men say goes".

I think it goes a bit deeper than this. I think it boils down to men being able to reproduce constantly and excessively, whereas women take 9 months to carry a baby, hence need to be extra careful about which mate to select, and how her time will be taken up to care for the baby. Because of this huge biological difference, I think women are more vulnerable and men are more disposable. But it also means women's value is tied to their ability to have children, which we know decreases over time. Same applies to men, but men are able to naturally have reproductive uses for much longer period of time.

[rooter]

Thanks for your thoughtful response bro. I tend to agree with everything except the bit about "because men say it is so; and what men say goes".

I think it goes a bit deeper than this. I think it boils down to men being able to reproduce constantly and excessively, whereas women take 9 months to carry a baby, hence need to be extra careful about which mate to select, and how her time will be taken up to care for the baby. Because of this huge biological difference, I think women are more vulnerable and men are more disposable. But it also means women's value is tied to their ability to have children, which we know decreases over time. Same applies to men, but men are able to naturally have reproductive uses for much longer period of time.

Agreed; like I said biology is a very important factor.
Differences in size and strength and body chemistry, and differences in reproduction between males and females are at the root of everything. But economics, religion, politics, socialisation, culture etc are all important too.

[cuteguy]

Of course men are in a better situation than women if they are single and 30 plus. In some cultures women are treated as second class citizens if they are not married by a certain age. For example, if you are an unmarried female over 27 in China, you might be labelled a "leftover woman" by the state. In western culture, a woman who is unmarried at 27 or 30 won't be described as a "leftover woman".

Today, education is changing the way we look at marriage and dating. The age of marriage has been rising, as it often does in places where women become more educated. In western culture, people are not being pressured to get married at any early age unlike in some places overseas. Most people here say that they'd love to meet the right person, but it will happen when it happens. Meanwhile, life is good and they have to get back to work.

On the other hand, if there are divorce proceedings and children involved, the man might be worse off than a woman because he has the ability to support himself better than a woman.

[the_boss_king]

men are better off as to women.
men are like fine wine, we get better with age where it goes opposite with women.
don't you guys agree?

[loaded]

From an economics perspective, there is somewhat of a mismatch between supply and demand. Young women want security and to know they will be taken care of, usually opting for older men who can support them. Men on the other hand want younger women for a variety of reasons.

Women are depreciating assets, peeking in their 20s, this is when they are at their peek age bearing years and most gorgeous. At a certain age, the depreciation accelerates and their looks will start to fade faster, making them less attractive (has anyone been on tinder lately...some of these early 30s girls look scary). In other words women age like milk.

Men are appreciating assets, peeking in their late 40s when they reach their peek salary. In other words men age like scotch.

We're all getting older however there's always a fresh batch of 18-25 year old girls coming through.

[garfield]

It all depends on the person. I knew some women at mid 30s and they still look great. In fact I knew someone in their 40s and still very sexy and pretty, and I wish I could bang her.

[Punt69]

You were introduced to a girl that you felt had no chance so hope you are not left with the divorcees and left overs. But maybe be more realistic.

Successful career 30 and 40+ men are better off. I know a older friend who is married to a hot girl in her twenties.

Playboys peak at mid to late twenties. These real loser guys can get really hot girls at a stage when they aren't mature enough to find a proper guy to settle with.

[johnnysins]

Society is patriarchal - blokes rule!
Why? Well its a combination of biology, economics, politics, sociology etc.
After 50 years of feminism women certainly have more power than they used to, but men still rule.
Men have the power and make the rules, set the agenda and the standards, and shape the culture.
So if a man is 35yo he is at his peak, whereas if a woman in 35yo she is old.
If a man is overweight he is solidly built, whereas a woman is fat.
If a man has grey hair he looks distinguished, whereas a woman looks old or has let herself go.
If a man is 10 years older than his partner that's Ok, but if a woman is 10 years older it's an issue.
If a man achieves power then he has earned it, whereas a woman must be a bitch or slept her way to the top or whatever.
If a man fucks lots of women he is a legend, whereas a woman is a slut.
And so on, and so on.
Why is this so? Because men say it is so; and what men say goes.
So yes it is preferable to be a man in society; whether you are in your, 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s ... it's always preferable to be a man.
To be born a woman is to be born a second class citizen; to be born a man is to be born into a position of power.
Of course race, wealth, class 1st World/3rd World etc all come into it too, but gender is still important.
I'm not saying this is a good thing or a bad thing. It's just the way it is.
I'm just thankful and glad I was born a male.


Yeah you have some valid points. But would you EVER find a woman punter? Women have the power of choice in relationships. Good looking women have tremendous power. They can achieve status, power and control by simply spreading their legs.

I know far to many women with successful husbands who are to have a life so far beyond what they could provide for themselves, due to her husband slaving away at work.

Haha would you ever find a woman with a successful career marrying a man with little to no income and provide him with a luxurious life? No chance.

A women can choose to have a career.. or if that fails, she can choose a man (provider/utility) from the line waiting for her, to work and supply her with a life while she has children.

[Nejums]

I think it stems more from a biological issue more than anything. Women are considered to be in their prime for reproduction during their 20s and become higher risk after 30. As a man who is looking to reproduce, a 30 something year old woman would seemingly be less attractive as a potential mate than one in their 20s.

Speaking as a man who has already reproduced, however, I would desire a woman's company more if she was in her 30s than a 20 something year old. But that might be because I no longer want to reproduce...

[freshjive]

She's 30+ and still single i believe. Still going strong and full of bright ideas. Anyone find her attractive?

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/explorers/bios/tan-le/

[Milhouse]

She's 30+ and still single i believe. Still going strong and full of bright ideas. Anyone find her attractive?

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/explorers/bios/tan-le/

I'd rate her as just a little above average. But regardless of looks, if a woman is 30+ and single, I would tend to think that maybe she has really high standards and is too picky, otherwise she would have a boyfriend.

[Nejums]

You're essentially dismissing them before you even actually meet them. With a mindset like that, you're better off just avoiding 30+ altogether, since you clearly aren't interested. So are you actually interested in discussion or is this merely a rant?

[SpankyTheMonkey]

Absolutely. I find her super cute. She's probably still single cos guys are intimidated by such a high achiever who is very driven. They look for someone who is not their equal.


She's 30+ and still single i believe. Still going strong and full of bright ideas. Anyone find her attractive? http://www.nationalgeographic.com/explorers/bios/tan-le/

[TripleJ]

Tan Le was young australian of the year 1998

http://australianoftheyear.org.au/honour-roll/?view=fullView&year=1998&recipientID=141

A friend of a friend once mentioned she was with a guy from the us where she is based

[kjs]

I find women in their 30's -40's the most sexy of all if they have looked after themselves in the previous years....however if the lady does not keep up maintenance she goes downhill very fast from about 30/31 on. This is a fattening and wrinkling age where the metabolism slows dramatically and the body and face age.I've seen this with many of my associates around that age,they continue to live,sunbake,drink and eat like they did when they were 20 and the body cannot absorb it anymore.Men also are affected by change of meta too of course,but it matters less.

[Milhouse]

I find women in their 30's -40's the most sexy of all if they have looked after themselves in the previous years....however if the lady does not keep up maintenance she goes downhill very fast from about 30/31 on. This is a fattening and wrinkling age where the metabolism slows dramatically and the body and face age.I've seen this with many of my associates around that age,they continue to live,sunbake,drink and eat like they did when they were 20 and the body cannot absorb it anymore.Men also are affected by change of meta too of course,but it matters less.

Would you say this affects Caucasian women more than Asian women? Or is race not a factor?

[Pussyhands]

Ohhhh mangs see girls are sexual prime mid 20 like 25 or smth. Now days who der fk knows what they want. Hot girls at very young age find out that they get almost everything handed to them for free so it set them up to have that expectation. Yes they have power but u don't have to give them anything and slowly as their looks fade they start to realise they fked up lols

Guys can work hard make money and pay for hot pussy.

4 lines for girls 1 line for guys. We simple to satisfy easier to be happy.

[Alan86]

So my friend tried to set me up with this girl who was 33. I was at least open to the idea, but when I saw her, well, let's just say I knew there was no chance. She looked like she may have been decent looking in her 20's and would've been able to snatch a guy, but now looked kinda past her expiry date and had missed the boat.

It made me think, would I be seen the same way as I saw her, being someone 30+ and single? I kinda consider that men's prime are in their 30s, but seeing this girl made me question myself.

Do you think it is better to be a man or woman if single after 30?

Are we seriously debating this?

It is way, way easier for a guy after 30.

Firstly, for some weird reason, guys after 30 tend to look younger than women after 30.
Secondly, women tend to want a guy who's older than them, whereas men want a girl who's younger
Thirdly, there is immense pressure on these women to get married. A guy can be single forever
Fourthly, womens self esteem and also attractiveness is tied up in their looks. Ours isn't
Fifthly, skin is a much more vital for women than men I terms of sexiness
Sixthly, women all want to get married ASAP after 30, so are basically desperate at this point us guys are out partying (or punting ) and don't want to stop

I'd say after 30, you got to keep yourself 'well kept'. That's something new. Try skincare.

Currently, I'm in my 20s, and still have teenage girls after me. My youngest who was after me was 16! (I do look younger than my age I guess). (Nothing happened don't worry).

[AHLUNGOR]

Are we seriously debating this?

It is way, way easier for a guy after 30.

Firstly, for some weird reason, guys after 30 tend to look younger than women after 30.
Secondly, women tend to want a guy who's older than them, whereas men want a girl who's younger
Thirdly, there is immense pressure on these women to get married. A guy can be single forever
Fourthly, womens self esteem and also attractiveness is tied up in their looks. Ours isn't
Fifthly, skin is a much more vital for women than men I terms of sexiness
Sixthly, women all want to get married ASAP after 30, so are basically desperate at this point us guys are out partying (or punting ) and don't want to stop

I'd say after 30, you got to keep yourself 'well kept'. That's something new. Try skincare.

Currently, I'm in my 20s, and still have teenage girls after me. My youngest who was after me was 16! (I do look younger than my age I guess). (Nothing happened don't worry).

Isn't 16 year old is the age of consent ?

[Pussyhands]

From memory 10 years ago....

If u fresh like 16 (basically under 18) u have to be within + or - 2 years from the person. If ur engaging in homosexual activity I think the gap is larger. That is u have to be within 5 or so. Just from memory and I think the laws do differ from state to state....

Need a lawyer here, I am sure there are more than a few punting lawyers.

[Licker]

Here you go:

South Australia and Tasmania 17, other states 16.
No difference in heterosexual or homosexual in relations.


Australia is a federation of States and Territories, with each State and Territory having the primary jurisdiction over age of consent issues within its territory. However, as a result of the international affairs power under Australia's constitution, a 1997 United Nations Human Rights Committee ruling has resulted in States repealing rules that differentiated between homosexual and heterosexual people on age of consent issues.

Federal laws (legislation that applies to all Australians)
Sex between consenting adults (18 or over) in private, regardless of gender or sexual orientation can not be outlawed under section 4 of the Human Rights (Sexual Conduct) Act 1994.


State legislation:

Australian Capital Territory
It is an offence in the Australian Capital Territory to have sexual intercourse with a person under the age of 16. However, it is a defence if the younger party was aged 10 years or older and the offender was not more than 2 years older than the younger party.

New South Wales
It is an offence in New South Wales to have sexual intercourse with a person under the age of 16 or attempt such an offence. It is also an offence to have sexual intercourse with a person under the age of 18 if that person is under the care of the offender (guardian, teacher etc.).

Northern Territory
It is an offence in the Northern Territory to have sexual intercourse with a person under the age of 16 or attempt such an offence. It is also an offence to have sexual intercourse with a person under the age of 18 if that person is under the care of the offender (guardian, teacher etc.).

Queensland
It is an offence in Queensland to have carnal knowledge of a person under the age of 16 (Criminal Code Act 1899, s.215). "Carnal knowledge" does not include "sodomy" (i.e., anal sex) which is not permitted with a person under the age of 18, regardless of gender or what position is taken by which individual.

South Australia
It is an offence in South Australia to engage in any activity which involves fellatio, cunnilingus or placing any part of the body within the labia majora, vagina or anus of a person under the age of 17 unless they are lawful spouses. The Australian Marriage Act can permit someone who is 18 or over to marry a 16-year-old. However, it is a defence if the person is 16 at the time of the offence and either the offender is under 17 years of age or believe on reasonable grounds that the other person is 17 or older. It is also an offence to have sexual intercourse with a person under the age of 18 if that person is under the care of the offender (guardian, teacher etc.).

Tasmania
It is an offence in Tasmania to have sexual intercourse with a person under the age of 17. However, it is a defence if the younger person was aged 12 years or older and the older was not more than 3 years their senior or, if the younger person was of or above 15 years and the older was not more than 5 years their senior.

Victoria
It is an offence in Victoria to sexually penetrate a person under the age of 16. However, it is a defence if the younger party was aged 12 years or older and the offender was not more than 2 years older than the younger person, or they were married. It is also an offence for a person having the care of a person under the age of 18 to sexually penetrate that person (guardian, teacher etc.). A person under the age of 18 is not allowed to work as a prostitute nor to be in a brothel.

Western Australia
It is an offence in Western Australia to sexually penetrate a person under the age of 16. It is also an offence for a person in a position of authority over a person under the age of 18 to have sex with that person.

[Alan86]

Isn't 16 year old is the age of consent ?

Lol, I shouldn't have opened this up, but I just wanted to show that yes even teenage girls can go for guys much older than them.

I think that 16 is age of consent. She looked much older than 16, and I'll admit I was attracted to her. But I would draw the line at 17/18 as a minimum , as I want to be responsible and not do the wrong thing by her. As a rule, wait till they're 18

On the other hand, I recall Jojo fromPB, Chatswood looked about 16 which made me feel a bit awkward. I heard she was popular though! (I liked her what a sweetie!)

[Alan86]

Lol, I shouldn't have opened this up, but I just wanted to show that yes even teenage girls can go for guys much older than them.

I think that 16 is age of consent. She looked much older than 16, and I'll admit I was attracted to her. But I would draw the line at 17/18 as a minimum , as I want to be responsible and not do the wrong thing by her. As a rule, wait till they're 18

On the other hand, I recall Jojo fromPB, Chatswood looked about 16 which made me feel a bit awkward. I heard she was popular though! (I liked her what a sweetie!)

Just to clarify, Jojo was actually about 20yo. She was studying at Uni. She was just one of those girls who looked younger! I felt awkward but reminded myself that she indeed was over 18! it felt so good though - like she was so innocent