calling for a halt to Muslim migration to Australia

[New2Punting]

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/sonia-krugers-migration-comments-highlight-uncomfortable-reality-for-australian-muslims-academic-20160718-gq8bwa.html

I'm sure most of Asian Bros will support this idea to live in peaceful
country.

[mandingo69]

You do know that the biggest Muslim country in the world is in Asia right? more xenophobic crap coming from your end!

[sukeong]

Rubbish I certainly won't support . Most of Australians have immigrant background unless you are aboriginal. Might as well deport all Asians too since a tiny minority of us, for example Jamie gao, are drug dealer wannabes.

[suka02]

Supporting her is the same thing as supporting Pauline hanson. Truely racist, in the past she were being racist to Asians and now jumping into Muslims? It's like painting the whole Race/Religion. What if you were Other religion like Buddah, Christian, jews, hindu etc.. Will you guys be offended if you are in part of those religion to get out of the country or stop your people coming here?? you know that there are more worst news in this World than just focusing only on muslims. As matter of fact the Muslims are the victims. Since ever the conspiracy of 9/11 everything changed, look what happened after going to Iraq?? False accusations!! Why don't bush and blair face justice?? They should be put to Death! Fair and square! But i know the US is the evil in this world silently.. Don't you guys realise from World war 1 till now,, non stop war! Look at the US itself.. They have guns in almost every houses.. Like yeah for safety reason my ass!! US Most corrupted and thief country!!

[suka02]

My point is.. EVERY person is different and anyone can be a criminal/ bad person NO matter what race or religion they are. They are Mentally disorder. So you can't paint a whole race/religion. Religion is not the caused but the person itself can be mentally disorder, if they don't follow rightously. Peace and spiritual.

[zucon]

My point is.. EVERY person is different and anyone can be a criminal/ bad person NO matter what race or religion they are. They are Mentally disorder. So you can't paint a whole race/religion. Religion is not the caused but the person itself can be mentally disorder, if they don't follow rightously. Peace and spiritual.

Agree with you 100%. Such types of news are good to be in headlines for politicians

[CunningLinguist]

I reckon we would be better off if we exported all the racists than trying to target a particular race, so New2Punting why dont you piss off you racist!

[jnk]

I reckon we would be better off if we exported all the racists than trying to target a particular race, so New2Punting why dont you piss off you racist!

yes but where would we send them. everywhere else is full of foreigners!:smile:

[wilisno]

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/sonia-krugers-migration-comments-highlight-uncomfortable-reality-for-australian-muslims-academic-20160718-gq8bwa.html

I'm sure most of Asian Bros will support this idea to live in peaceful
country.
I've always liked Sonia Kruger, she's intelligent with a quick wit, and she's humorous, but this time I'm really disappointed that she would say something like this on national TV ! :(

And please New2Punting, you don't represent " Most Asian Bros " here !

[jnk]

I've always liked Sonia Kruger, she's intelligent with a quick wit, and she's humorous, but this time I'm really disappointed that she would say something like this on national TV ! :(

And please New2Punting, you don't represent " Most Asian Bros " here !

Yeah fear does things to people.
I think as a nation we have had the same fears with every racial group that has come here - and maybe one that was here before us.
Different today though with internet and social media used to radicalize kids. Kids who like most teenagers are trying to figure out where they fit in this world.
One one hand the traditional life is pushed onto them by family and on the other the temptations of a free society is "corrupting" their minds. All very confusing.
So these kids are given a release from their guilt through extremism.
How can you fight that?

[birch]

The thing I find most offensive about Kruger's comments is that she used the term correlation! As if she knew anything about statistics and that there is a significant distinction between causation and correlation.

Now the only link I see between violence and Muslims is that despite being at war with each other and a certain segment of the western world for more than a couple of generations a portion of their population have decided enough's enough and the have scraped together the resources to escape.
It's absolutely unsurprising to me that a small proportion of those lucky enough to escape are then immensely affected by their experiences and this manifests itself when there is a lack of family or other support, into all kinds of unacceptable behaviours as viewed by us in our relatively protected and benign society.

Every wave of immigration will result in a struggle to adjust to the change. Some will naturally struggle more than others. These are the people who need to most support from society - whether they be immigrants or 'locals'.

[Crusader]

Bigotry, at face value? Yes .. Racism .. No!

Being born in a country where there was once a 75% Christian and 25% Muslim population and seeing how it has reversed through a bloody civil war and foreign intervention, I know first hand the effect of religious extremism and the scaremongering that exacerbates the situation. Whilst, I can see where she is coming from in concept, she has no idea on how to deliver her message and those in and around her circle, of both Pauline and Sonia, need a lesson in PR.

Take a look around Europe, and in particular France - over the last few years, all of the attacks have come from foreigners that adhere to Islam in its most extreme form. If it is of this point that the call to halt migration of Muslims has been made, than can you really fault it? Rather than using definitive terms such as "halt", maybe something like "providing very stringent screening and background checks" might have been a better way of getting the point across.

The simple fact is that democracy and western governmental institutions are at loggerheads with those that subscribe to the Quran, word for word. So these people will not fit in to this society. They see it as sinful and against God. The majority of Muslims however, or at least from the ones I know, understand that these words are often not meant to be taken literally and a little bit of logic needs to be applied in the application of their faith. Some of these same people are more welcoming and genuine than my own brethren, so it is absolutely stupid to blanket them like this.

Maybe these 2 women need a happy ending or 3.

[jnk]

Bigotry, at face value? Yes .. Racism .. No!

Being born in a country where there was once a 75% Christian and 25% Muslim population and seeing how it has reversed through a bloody civil war and foreign intervention, I know first hand the effect of religious extremism and the scaremongering that exacerbates the situation. Whilst, I can see where she is coming from in concept, she has no idea on how to deliver her message and those in and around her circle, of both Pauline and Sonia, need a lesson in PR.

Take a look around Europe, and in particular France - over the last few years, all of the attacks have come from foreigners that adhere to Islam in its most extreme form. If it is of this point that the call to halt migration of Muslims has been made, than can you really fault it? Rather than using definitive terms such as "halt", maybe something like "providing very stringent screening and background checks" might have been a better way of getting the point across.

The simple fact is that democracy and western governmental institutions are at loggerheads with those that subscribe to the Quran, word for word. So these people will not fit in to this society. They see it as sinful and against God. The majority of Muslims however, or at least from the ones I know, understand that these words are often not meant to be taken literally and a little bit of logic needs to be applied in the application of their faith. Some of these same people are more welcoming and genuine than my own brethren, so it is absolutely stupid to blanket them like this.

Maybe these 2 women need a happy ending or 3.

well said.
But Pauline knows exactly what she is doing. Her type of PR is working perfectly for her, she plays to fears we all have.

[medragon]

I reckon we would be better off if we exported all the racists than trying to target a particular race, so New2Punting why dont you piss off you racist!

Islam is not a race! I don't agree with this proposal, but I do believe the hatred and violence coming from islam and muslims should not be tolerated, and the doctrines of islam do not deserve our respect, here or elsewhere. It is a extremely difficult problem, but you cannot argue that en masse muslim immigration is problem free (as compared to the jewish, buddhists etc.) and yet it is impossible to even discuss anything without the racism or xenophobe card being played.

[AHLUNGOR]

Aren't the Muslims supposed to have 4 wives ?? If they all do, they probably won't have the time and strength to commit terrorist acts ?? I'll say, let them have the four wives and fuck their extremism away !

Make love no war !! Let's bring back the 60's !!

[suka02]

Aren't the Muslims supposed to have 4 wives ?? If they all do, they probably won't have the time and strength to commit terrorist acts ?? I'll say, let them have the four wives and fuck their extremism away !

Make love no war !! Let's bring back the 60's !!

You need to study this before assuming Muslim can have 4 wives. In simplest understanding to this and interpretation. Having 1 wive is more than enough. They don't supposed to allow to have more than 1 wives, UNLESS if the women are in financial issue due to personal/family and this may be the only way, also they must be agreed on with all the party including the other wives. It stated by their law that they MUST treat equally with all the wives and financial support. Then if they can't do that, it is a sin and not a valid true relationship.

It is very rare to have more than 1 wives, usually the very rich people that they can afford with all those stability. It is not just about hunger for sex, that comes last. So it is not an easy play lol

[Mr Bastard]

I still find it humorous that the vast majority of humans automatical think of caucasians as the perpetrators when the ugliness of the word racism is brought up.........PLEASE.......

[AHLUNGOR]

You need to study this before assuming Muslim can have 4 wives. In simplest understanding to this and interpretation. Having 1 wive is more than enough. They don't supposed to allow to have more than 1 wives, UNLESS if the women are in financial issue due to personal/family and this may be the only way, also they must be agreed on with all the party including the other wives. It stated by their law that they MUST treat equally with all the wives and financial support. Then if they can't do that, it is a sin and not a valid true relationship.

It is very rare to have more than 1 wives, usually the very rich people that they can afford with all those stability. It is not just about hunger for sex, that comes last. So it is not an easy play lol

Thanks Suka, I didn't know that, I only knew that the Muslims are allowed to have four wives, then if you are physically and financially capable , why won't you ?

I suppose none of those suicide bombers are financially well off, otherwise.........

[suka02]

It's good Ahlungor and good to know. I didn't even know from the start until i researched it lol Back in my country there was an example of a celebrity who be in this situation, having 2 wives and there been gossip news around that he were un equally to both of their wives which almost divorced one of them but he lucky he didnt end up that way. As you know in Asian's country if you are an artist, it gets on the news gossip, there goes the mothers gossiping around with the neighbours lol

So definetely not an easy play, there will be always a jealousy between the wive within their life and as a man it is difficult to settle the 2 than 1. Imagine if you have 2 gf? How will you juggle them? It can stress you unless if you are millionare, then there won't be much effection about love tranquality lol

[kingwally]

Bigotry, at face value? Yes .. Racism .. No!

Being born in a country where there was once a 75% Christian and 25% Muslim population and seeing how it has reversed through a bloody civil war and foreign intervention, I know first hand the effect of religious extremism and the scaremongering that exacerbates the situation. Whilst, I can see where she is coming from in concept, she has no idea on how to deliver her message and those in and around her circle, of both Pauline and Sonia, need a lesson in PR.

Take a look around Europe, and in particular France - over the last few years, all of the attacks have come from foreigners that adhere to Islam in its most extreme form. If it is of this point that the call to halt migration of Muslims has been made, than can you really fault it? Rather than using definitive terms such as "halt", maybe something like "providing very stringent screening and background checks" might have been a better way of getting the point across.

The simple fact is that democracy and western governmental institutions are at loggerheads with those that subscribe to the Quran, word for word. So these people will not fit in to this society. They see it as sinful and against God. The majority of Muslims however, or at least from the ones I know, understand that these words are often not meant to be taken literally and a little bit of logic needs to be applied in the application of their faith. Some of these same people are more welcoming and genuine than my own brethren, so it is absolutely stupid to blanket them like this.

Maybe these 2 women need a happy ending or 3.

Great post !

[jamesbond007]

The should increase the amount of working, and student visas for girls coming from the middle east, just imagine a massage shop of beauties from iran, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, and more.....

[jnk]

Thanks Suka, I didn't know that, I only knew that the Muslims are allowed to have four wives, then if you are physically and financially capable , why won't you ?

I suppose none of those suicide bombers are financially well off, otherwise.........

Man you are too funny.
Thank you brother Ahlungor

[AHLUNGOR]

Wasn't there a TV drama about polygamy from the US? Called Big Love or something , the Mormons in the Utah State can have multiple wives or was it they can't be legally married but can legally live together or something like that !

Those were very lucky men ! Man !

It's like he started off with one wife, fuck her for five years and have children, and while she is pregnant , get a second wife and so on, and the new wives are one younger than the other .........haha

[New2Punting]

Maybe instead of total hault, only get the very high skilled Muslims in for growth of country. And no don't count any tradie in, they all dodgy!

[Alan86]

OK, this is going to get me fired up, so I'm going to try to keep this to a minimum.

As someone who has a few good Muslim friends, this deeply offends me.

We all know that 99% of Muslim people are peace loving, and tolerant people. They DO NOT support terrorism or anything like that. They wish to live in harmony with other Australians, and bring a lot of good things to this country. My Muslim friends (some of who are quite religious in their practice of their faith) are amongst the most beautiful people I've ever met.

I've also talked to them about the teachings of their faith, and it is clear that Islam FORBIDS the killing of innocent people!

They are also important business leaders, and by shutting them off, Australia will suffer in the global economy. Do you think that a business mogul will take kindly to being detained at the Airport, and will ever want to return here?

By having a policy like this, you are promoting hatred, hate crimes and discrimination, and deeply offending a lot of Australian Muslims.

By this same logic that this half wit Sonia Kruger is using, Australia should halt migration of Chinese people as it correlates with the number of Chinese related crimes in the country, so it is in the interests of national security '.?

If you look at the actual numbers, Muslim terrorists are actually a small minority of actual terrorist activities, yet the media makes it out to look as though we're all under attack from men with beards!

[suka02]

^ definetely true. You cannot judge by their faith and paint them all the same, it will be just hypocrite.
Let's think this way, let's count how many people who committed murder, criminals and war killings. I am talking about individuals people, as whole country or whole world. What do you think of their background religion why never be told on news what religion they are i.e christian, hindu, jews, etc? Why only potrays big headline news ONLY on muslim?
for i.e the rampage school killings in US? Police mudering the blacks? US invading Iraq, syria, afganistan country? What do you think their backgrounds are?? CHRISTIANS, JEWS, HINDUS? Yes, you don't like to be called by your religion right? The news wont tell what religion they are. It feels offensive because it doesn't represent your religion. They will just call it lonewolf (l'm like wtff?) Every religion teaches peace it's the evil mind of every each person that are uneducated being mentally ill.

Look what happends after the US and europe destroys those countries?? Obviously they must flee to safety other than their own country. What if you were those citizens? Where would you flee? Now, the world trying to stop the immigration because it is their own fault? How is that possible and it's ironic. Who are to blame?? Who always like to start the fire and created war? The US allies with Israel.

Don't ever think Israel feeling threaten that their land is being stolen, truth fact is Israel is stealing palestian land after devision day by day and killing innocent people. They have build barrier but keep stealing land again.

So where is the peace and humanity to this??

Btw, the start of this problem from the conspiracy of 9/11. Saddam even doesn't have mass destruction. It almost made success trying to destroy Turkey just like egypt but i'm glad they failed it.

USA = Evil and manipulator.
Israel = Zionist/illuminati has connection with the UFO area 51.

Don't get me wrong, it is their government who influence this and teaches hate, devision, racist, bigotry, manipulator. It's just wrong and evil!

[medragon]

We all know that 99% of Muslim people are peace loving, and tolerant people. They DO NOT support terrorism or anything like that.

I don't know where you pulled that percentage from, but at best it's estimated at 80%, depending on how you define peaceful & tolerant.. Check out the pewpolls, they are why everyone's concerned..

[AHLUNGOR]

I don't think any percentage can give you a peace of mind or put you in a state of living in fear !

There are roughly about 3 types of terrorism the world is facing these days:

1.the well organized terror attack like 911.

2. Co-ordinated attack but in a smaller scales like Paris and Belgium

3. Lone wolf attacks, not nessarily organized by terrorists group but inspired and may or may not be supported- like Lindts and the murder of Curtis Chang

And I could be totally wrong here, so how do we stop them ? I wish I have the answer, but one thing I do agree is that, if we as a country can keep the greater Muslim community on our side , work closely with them and embrace and respect their religion and cultures rather than isolating or alienate them, we have a much better chance to protect ourselves and minimize the risk . I'm sure they are scared of the terrorists too!

[Tomosavic]

And I could be totally wrong here, so how do we stop them ? I wish I have the answer, but one thing I do agree is that, if we as a country can keep the greater Muslim community on our side , work closely with them and embrace and respect their religion and cultures rather than isolating or alienate them, we have a much better chance to protect ourselves and minimize the risk . I'm sure they are scared of the terrorists too!
That's easier said than done, to respect their religion and cultures.. only if they can do the same to other religions and cultures!

I live in a suburb where the population is predominantly middle eastern. One of the tenants of an apartment building had his Christmas lightings on his balcony, and left it on after Christmas, one Muslim neighbor talked to me and asked and said : " Does Christmas last that long ? That's disgusting."

So you're not supposed to decorate your own home...

[docevil]

That's easier said than done, to respect their religion and cultures.. only if they can do the same to other religions and cultures!

I live in a suburb where the population is predominantly middle eastern. One of the tenants of an apartment building had his Christmas lightings on his balcony, and left it on after Christmas, one Muslim neighbor talked to me and asked and said : " Does Christmas last that long ? That's disgusting."

So you're not supposed to decorate your own home...

Its probably just the guy's personality than his religion. I am sure most Muslim would have been happy to accept and "tolerated" the decorations.

[suka02]

I believe it comes from it's personality itself and how each were brought up by their parents. Moralty, respect and tolerance is the key. Everyone is not perfect, there are many many criminals out there from each side of their religion/country background. It'll be just boring to pick on Muslim all the time. It's just like watching a Drama movie talking about only one thing. But news never publish each of their religion background. How about those prest who are pedophile, why wont lot of people condemn his act? Irony isn't it?
Did you know Arab people are NOT all muslim? There are Christians and other religion as well, some may use disguise as Muslim. Believe me some of them have attitude problem or stereotype. Like i said NOT all.

In the end it comes down to each indivual but always remember we Human are the same, no matter what colour, race, faith. Be respectful to one another, don't fight anger with anger, simply show good attitude and smile to one another. It will make everyones day happy.

I know we live in a fear generation but think back when we were like little kids, forget anger & revenge. Stay happy!

[Disolve100]

Another day another attack. The silence from our Muslim leaders is defening. Not every Muslim is a terrorist, but every terrorist these days is a Muslim. Something needs to be done asap else congregations of people for any occasion will be a thing of a past.

[Disolve100]

That's easier said than done, to respect their religion and cultures.. only if they can do the same to other religions and cultures!

I live in a suburb where the population is predominantly middle eastern. One of the tenants of an apartment building had his Christmas lightings on his balcony, and left it on after Christmas, one Muslim neighbor talked to me and asked and said : " Does Christmas last that long ? That's disgusting."

So you're not supposed to decorate your own home...

+1. I also live in one of these suburbs. Sometimes the lady on my arm will get death stares from blokes if she's wearing a sleeveless top of shortish skirt. Most of these guys also have a fully fledged Ninja looking person on their arm. Am i to believe that said Ninja is a man, thus the death stares are coming from a man who is gay and disgusted by the female form? Or is it simply a man who is disgusted by a woman showing too much skin for his liking. If the latter, he and his like minded people can fark off!