General talk how to be a better man [Archive] - Aus99 Forum

Chinaman

11-08-2017, 08:47 AM

hello everybody. i have another question.

i want to improve and be better person. i am also not very good with girl and still trying to learn many thing in life.

i dont have good job, good money or many close friend. i was very happy when i first come australia but now feeling a little bit lost and dont have good direction. so maybe not surpirsing girls finding me unattractive. i also say wierd things and sometimes maybe too open.

i have two question. first one specific and second one general.

when talking to girl how do i balance be too open but wierd and not open enough but normal? sorry my english no good so maybe i dont explain well. i am comfortable talking about everything including my problems but smoetimes people find me wierd when i do. i am not perfect but want to improve relationship at same time i try fix my life. how can i be able to talk about this if people will find me unattractive :(

how can i be better man?

thanks for your time.

Pussyhands

11-08-2017, 09:15 AM

Try day gaming to get to know urself more lols don't believe the hit rate they say - use it as learning about urself and social stuff

There is no right or wrong - it's about really understander the person u are and perhaps the person u want to be.... call it self discovery

Or,

You can join groups - there is an app called 'meet up' where u can choose an interest and meet ppl etc

I did day gaming, meet ups, cooking classes, yoga classes, the gym, etc etc to figure all this stuff out.

I think if u were born in Aus I'll prob attend parties and social gathers to learn this stuff - I did do some of this in high school but mainly played computer games instead =D so did a lot of catching up haha

puntercouple

11-08-2017, 09:29 AM

Human social interaction is a very complicated subject and there is no one sure way to do it. What works in a bar setting may not work in, say, work environment. I can see that you are not a very confident person, and that's probably the thing to work on.

You come to a punting forum asking for advice. Perhaps the best advice you can get from this place is that a job does not define a person, and money does not define a person's worth. WLs are not just "whores you fuck", they are also people with ambitions and dreams. At the same time, even though they have a lot of money, they treat you as equals. My suggestion is to worry less about social status and such and start thinking about the life that you won't regret having.

hypebeast131415

11-08-2017, 01:13 PM

Puntercouple mentioned a good suggestion 'Worry less about social status'

I have asian background as well, so I understand how it feels when asian pple comparing to each other with their jobs, salaries, uni results and many things. But we're in western society here, not many pple really cares how much u earn, as long as you're enjoying ur life and living ur life in ur way.

I had problem chatting with girls before as well. But i think i was in the wrong group so i couldnt connect with any of them well. Now i have my own group of friends and since we all have similar background, interests, i had no issues being around with them.

Pussyhand's suggestion on meeting up with different group of pple, attend parties, go out and social, will definitely help.

Be comfortable and confident with urself first. I think if u appear to be uncomfortable and not confident around pple, some will find u weird. I think you just need more experiences. Just like doing any activity, the more experiences and more talented ones will be good at it first, some of us will need more time to figure it out.

I guess when u go RnT, make sure u spend the time there well (not just for fun, but also chat with the girls), its a good opportunities to chat with girls, and see what they have to help.

James_jones

11-08-2017, 02:04 PM

The way you talk about being open/sharing problems comes across that you believe it to be a positive trait.

i also say wierd things and sometimes maybe too open.

Then stop saying weird shit and being so open. You don't need to be and the tone of your post comes across as a victim. If you are behaving like this around people they will think you are weak and not worth bothering with.

i am comfortable talking about everything including my problems

Why are you talking about your problems to *people*? Why do they want to hear? This may sound harsh but they don't care and a healthy relation is not built on discussing your problems with them. This is especially true of women. On top of this do not try fix womens problems, if they want to talk that is fine but that is what they want, not fixing unless they specifically ask and even then approach with caution.

Think of it this way, if you can't fix your own problems and need their help why would they want to be friends with you? How will you provide value to them if you can't even get your own shit in order. If the only thing you bring to a conversation is your problems then why would people want to talk to you?

The modern western idea of being open / sharing feelings with people is a fallacy. It is a terrible idea to be open about problems, especially with women, primarily because it lowers their perceived value of you. It may be acceptable for close male friends but you will only have a small number of these and they are not women. You do not need to share your feelings with women, in fact they will respond better if you do not.

Read more about frame (https://therationalmale.com/2011/10/12/frame/). This guy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjpuxiV-_Es) is also brilliant, most of his videos are insightful without being too hard assed about things.

Christmas

11-08-2017, 02:13 PM

I feel like chinaman is having fun. weirdo..
don't talk about your 5cm balls and pre mature ejaculation in front of girls unless it's me.ㅋㅋ
girls would think you are freak :o but I don't mind because I'm freak too :o

you wanna hang sometimes? message me yahhh yahhhhhhh

*maybe I can bring vitamin and let him give you a lesson

harrycd

11-08-2017, 02:20 PM

Christmas

11-08-2017, 02:22 PM

beta101

11-08-2017, 03:14 PM

how can i be better man?

Don't need to. Not been indian already put u miles ahead.

hypebeast131415

11-08-2017, 03:29 PM

Chinaman, I'll buy you a beer when I'm back in Sydney. Or go hang out with Xmas, just remeber to bribe her with desserts.

You are kind of too open with stuff, I would stop talking to your flatmate about punting and your penis/balls.

I would recommend you take up lifting. If you are new download the stronglifts 5x5 app and watch some YouTube vids on correct form. Lifting does make you feel better.

can agree with harrycd that going to gym or do other sports can help (some gym instructors in the gym are cool to correct ur form)

i never talked about punting with pple other than my 2 older brothers (they were the ones that got me experienced the real world) and my other mate who is also experienced in these. (i never mentioned anything about massage or shit to my other good friends, let alone flatmates)

there're many kinds of stuff that u shouldnt talk about when meeting pple (like ur personal fetish and puntings)

Azninvasion85

11-08-2017, 04:07 PM

Inhaled agree with what james_jones say about not talking about ur probs with women and lol ur not close with, as well as the precived value esp if ur trying to hook up or be in a relationship with said woman. Also very true about getting ur life in order first. However if u have some very close friends or ppl that u are close to whether they are man or woman, I'm sure they will be able to give u advice on what to do with particular problems.
Definitely go on the app meet up I have been to a couple of the get togethers on there and it is very very fun and u do meet some great ppl. U can also start ur own group with ur own interests!

vitamin

11-08-2017, 04:14 PM

The way you talk about being open/sharing problems comes across that you believe it to be a positive trait.

Then stop saying weird shit and being so open. You don't need to be and the tone of your post comes across as a victim. If you are behaving like this around people they will think you are weak and not worth bothering with.

Why are you talking about your problems to *people*? Why do they want to hear? This may sound harsh but they don't care and a healthy relation is not built on discussing your problems with them. This is especially true of women. On top of this do not try fix womens problems, if they want to talk that is fine but that is what they want, not fixing unless they specifically ask and even then approach with caution.

Think of it this way, if you can't fix your own problems and need their help why would they want to be friends with you? How will you provide value to them if you can't even get your own shit in order. If the only thing you bring to a conversation is your problems then why would people want to talk to you?

The modern western idea of being open / sharing feelings with people is a fallacy. It is a terrible idea to be open about problems, especially with women, primarily because it lowers their perceived value of you. It may be acceptable for close male friends but you will only have a small number of these and they are not women. You do not need to share your feelings with women, in fact they will respond better if you do not.

Well said

Value
Setting frame. Controlling frame.
Living in your reality

That brings back memories. Lol

I'll sum it up for you OP.
"Be the man you want your sister to marry."
Improve every aspect of your life so girls gravitate to you.
HEALTH, FINANCES, PERSONALITY, RELATIONSHIP, LIVING CONDITIONS, GROOMING, STYLE, MANNERISMS.

like a character bar in a game. Start drafting them all to the right. You don't have to drag all to 10/10 buy more you improve the more girls will appear in your life.

If you're a shit catch. Doesn't matter what cheap tricks you learn you'll never have girls want to stay with you. It will always be short term.

While all these cheap tricks work short term but the underlying principles of pickup artistry is to make you into a man girls want to be with.
(Natural game or internalizing the game)
Where you no longer fake it.
To a point where you go. Here I am ladies and girls want you.

Girls don't want to be with someone who has problems. It's like a car salesman selling a car and naming all its faults. Girls will just steer away from you after you feel good about spilling your problems into their ears.
Being open is fine. But what you're open about is a different story.

inmydream

11-08-2017, 06:06 PM

Vitamin sums up really well. Obviously he is the expert pick up artist. Maybe you should become his wingman and learn a few tricks. Only if chrismast allows it haha. Also better have few closed friends rathen than many friends!! If you know what I mean.

Shoryureppa

11-08-2017, 08:28 PM

Life weeds out the lazy. It is a slow & incremental process but if you actually do want those things, then make it happen.

Don't focus on women, waste of time.

Pussyhands

11-08-2017, 09:46 PM

Well said

Value
Setting frame. Controlling frame.
Living in your reality

That brings back memories. Lol

I'll sum it up for you OP.
"Be the man you want your sister to marry."
Improve every aspect of your life so girls gravitate to you.
HEALTH, FINANCES, PERSONALITY, RELATIONSHIP, LIVING CONDITIONS, GROOMING, STYLE, MANNERISMS.

like a character bar in a game. Start drafting them all to the right. You don't have to drag all to 10/10 buy more you improve the more girls will appear in your life.

If you're a shit catch. Doesn't matter what cheap tricks you learn you'll never have girls want to stay with you. It will always be short term.

While all these cheap tricks work short term but the underlying principles of pickup artistry is to make you into a man girls want to be with.
(Natural game or internalizing the game)
Where you no longer fake it.
To a point where you go. Here I am ladies and girls want you.

Girls don't want to be with someone who has problems. It's like a car salesman selling a car and naming all its faults. Girls will just steer away from you after you feel good about spilling your problems into their ears.
Being open is fine. But what you're open about is a different story.

As much as I don't want to agree - this is indeed the facts :)

I have fluffed my way through this, thinking the best of people but in reality it is a dog eat dog world.

U don't have to change ur values and ethics however u have to be aware that there are many many sharks out there sniffing for blood - if u show blood they will hunt u down!

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Having said that and been through it the hard way, I learnt to be comfortable with who I am and am at a place where I can be myself without putting up a mask.

I figure, it's too much work not being myself, if they like me they will stay, if they don't then they won't.

Life is too short to be who you are not, things will come and go.

You have ur life to live and I hope to see u on the other side =D

CunningLinguist

11-08-2017, 09:54 PM

Hey Chinaman how old are you roughly ?

BlackToad

11-08-2017, 11:32 PM

It's a balancing act. If you are too open with new people then they may find it uncomfortable or confronting. But if you don't open up atleast a little then people will never feel close or friendly with you and you will seem aloof.

(Yah! Made senior member!!)

Matie

11-08-2017, 11:59 PM

I think pussyhands has it right....

Babycat

12-08-2017, 12:30 AM

Reminds me Better man of Robbie William.
Can't impress/ make everyone happy with you. So don't try to be perfect. Use Meetup to find which group is suitable for you then try.

BongKong

12-08-2017, 12:39 AM

Chinaman my advice is dont come to a forum of dudes discussing ML/WL for advice on interacting with women as 90% of it would be bad advice - my opinion only.

I think Harrycd nailed it in terms of excercise - work on your health / fitness and only good can come of that in terms of physical benefits and confidence.

Feel free to express or ask whatever you like - everyone is a weirdo in some way.

And the advice about not discussing having problems is just macho BS. The dudes that never discuss that stuff or open up for advice are the ones that end up necking themselves.

Pussyhands

12-08-2017, 04:34 AM

That sounds sensible ^^^

;)

harrycd

12-08-2017, 05:40 AM

1. Start working out, getting in shape.
2. Start saving money, maybe limit punting
3. Take a trip to Thailand Pattaya and have fun.

That should fix your self esteem issues and lack of sexual confidence.

Or alternatively seek professional help instead of our advice. Maybe try seeing a therapist?

vitamin

12-08-2017, 12:32 PM

I agree with the above.

Don't pretend to be someone you're not, try not to put on a mask but be confident in yourself. This can be achieved by having your shit together - look after your health, get fit (run, lift weights or whatever), groom and clean yourself, study or work hard, save as much money as you can, etc.

Be abit more social but try to have a filter eg) don't share too much information to absolute strangers, and even if you start to get to know people and become friends don't unleash or vent all your insecurities on them.

But Targajajouka
What if the person you are is not desirable to the opposite sex?
What if being yourself is a shit self?? wouldn't you agree Targajajouka that in this world there are a shit tone of people who are shit people and you wouldn't marry your sister off in a million years?

What is wrong with changing yourself to improve?

CHINAMAN
Life is all about growth. Change for the better. The day you stop learning, improving or growing should be the day that you die.

On the one hand you have people saying Be yourself, get people who accepts you for who you are and the in the same message saying go gym, groom, improve

I'm going to be the first person to say it.
Not everyone should be themselves.
Everyone has flaws in someway. Noone is perfect
Identify those flaws and change them for the better

Grow, become better. The person you were 10 years ago should never be the same person you are now nor the person in 10 years time.,
Never stop trying to be a better person. Never settle for who you are if you know yourself to have flows.

Chinaman, obviously isn't happy with who he is, the life his living or his ability to interact with women.
Saying be yourself and hang with people who accepts you for who you are imho is not very helpful.

It's kind of like telling an obese person to hang with fat people instead of working hard lose weight and surround himself with people who will push him, motivate him to be fitter. Even if at the beginning it feels shit.

p.s. Targajajouka
Half the reason i typed this message is because your name is so addictive to pronounce. Targajajouka..
before me. Christmas just called you ta ka jaka jaka jaka

CunningLinguist

12-08-2017, 01:53 PM

vs right if u r a loser then you need to change ...

Shoryureppa

12-08-2017, 03:30 PM

Sigh Chinaman, I don't know what to say but...

There is a paradox. At one point you have to be who you are so that you have pride in yourself. On the other hand, you have to evolve yourself & give up what you are, to become what you can be & achieve your potential. You must learn to adapt the situation. Just remember that you are nothing, yet at the same time everything. Your body is a vessel & you can do whatever the fuck you want.

Don't approach life half arsed, you live about 80 years then you die. Telling someone to be them self is the WORST advice you can give them. I know how I truly am underneath my mask & my true nature. Everyone has have pros & cons. Be proud of them. To explain, I will use pokemon as an analogy. If you are a fire pokemon, don't try to be a water pokemon. It just won't work. 100% be a fire pokemon & if people do not accept you then fuck them. Be loved or despised, but don't be a 50% bitch.

As I said, focus on yourself. Your actions should be to better yourself, not for other people. At the end of the day, they can leave you at any time. You'll wake up one morning & you will be surrounded by people who trust you because you have brought them up with you, they feel good around you, they value you & your time.

Ultimately, do what makes you feel content at the end of the day. I'd just like to point out that coming on to a forum and asking for advice won't do shit. If you want it, go out and make it happen. You say you want those things... If you truly did you would be out getting yours & every breath you take would be committed to achieving those goals, not asking about it on a forum to make yourself feel like you're doing anything.

Men & women are born into this world & they don't know what the fuck they are doing... People just do their best with the opportunities given. There are no better men, people live how they want. What matters is that you're content with how you are living & have no regrets. I'm sure you already know what you have to do to be a "better" man. We are all in this together. Don't have the mentality where you compare yourselves to others because you will NEVER be happy. Stop comparing yourself to others & go at your own pace. Don't use that as an excuse to not do anything... As I said, if you truly wanted the things you asked for, you wouldn't be on the forum posting about it. When you go to the gym & look for a job, it shouldn't be a motivation thing. Make it a discipline thing you do every day.

Pussyhands

12-08-2017, 06:15 PM

I guess with experience ull find out and learn about urself

Those bits that needs changing and those bits that's don't

Ultimately ull have to know the difference and work on what u think is worthy to work on.

As said above we have limited time - spend it wisely

Migger

12-08-2017, 11:05 PM

I don't want to sound cruel but no use sugar coating life. I have seen many people post their
profile on social media and i think you poor bugger nobody will ever be attracted or want you.
Its the roll of the dice and its life and their is nothing you can do.

Pussyhands

12-08-2017, 11:17 PM

Depends on how u view it.

Most can figure out what they need to do to "sell" on social media.

But then what? Once u do meet the person - the jig is up ahhahaha

Are you just fishing for compliments? Or are you truely secure about who you are and what u want?

There is a lot of evidence on "social proof" and being something that may not be you. all that stuff - regarding attraction you can read these theory in day gaming etc.

It's a lot of effort just to understand these social concepts and apply it to get laid. Some think it's worth it others may not - ull have to figure that one out urself.

I like efficiency and the path with least effort.

I think just come as you are and be your self. ;) adaption is also key in keeping ur sanity!

Soccerfan

12-08-2017, 11:35 PM

Chinaman,

There has been some good stuff written for you, 69's last post was definitely on song. In my opinion, you need some passion in everything that you do. I'm not too sure what industry you work in, but look around and I'm sure you will see some successful Chinese who have been the position you find yourself in. But be sure to go out of your way to interact with the Aussie (or any other nationality) guys in your crew, deep down we are all the same.

There is a lot to be said for "networking", I have seen a few guys in my industry succeed through this method. But as a few regulars have mentioned, you need to pick your moments, and your associate, of what you reveal about yourself. Do not reveal too much to your fellow co-workers, as they could hold it against you at a later date. ( if you both go for a promotion). Become absorbed in your work, learn the systems, their secrets, and how to use them, this will set you apart from your co-workers.

I think that ML/WLs should only be seen as an interim measure. Again, 69 was on the money when he said that you should not see the same one twice. This is easier said than done, beleive me. When I hear her story, it is down right inspirational.

Sorry to repeat what everyone else has said but engage in some sort of physical activity, you will feel amazing after each session. Eat well, nutrition is key. I think life is about balance, knowing when to let go and when to be disciplined.

These are all our personal opinions, no one has the answer. This is our best guess. Trust your intuition. Find some internal fortitude, I can't believe how hard it would be to go to another completly different culture and country and try to be successful. You have already done so well.

Chinaman, you are on the right track, hang in there!!

Nejums

13-08-2017, 02:24 AM

There are certain things you learn with experience in life. Communicating with others is one of them. Unless you're an absolute moron with the EQ of a door knob, you shouldn't have problems adapting. The most important thing to becoming a better person is self reflection. Identify or get others to help you identify what you believe needs improving. Never be who you aren't because you will always get caught out. There's a difference with improving yourself and pretending to be someone else. Never lose yourself in your journey for growth.

Wotan

14-08-2017, 12:52 PM

Ask more. Say less.

jmarks95

17-08-2017, 09:19 PM

Get self esteem from your achievements, dont try to get it from meeting women

Chinaman

19-08-2017, 09:48 PM

wow a lot of reply. thanks for taking time to write. i am still trying to read it all. it looks useful i will try to apply and take notes.

BongKong

20-08-2017, 01:31 AM

wow a lot of reply. thanks for taking time to write. i am still trying to read it all. it looks useful i will try to apply and take notes.

Mabe thats your problem - you are a f*$king slow reader haha

Pearler

20-08-2017, 09:44 AM

We men have all the power in our hands to fuck , but most men are afraid to use it.
The ones who aren't afraid control life itself.

Christmas

20-08-2017, 01:12 PM

then
could you guys please let me know how to be a great woman too

1. be honest
2. say bye to this industry
3. don't upload nudes on public
4. be nice

Funandfun

20-08-2017, 01:35 PM

then
could you guys please let me know how to be a great woman too

1. be honest
2. say bye to this industry
3. don't upload nudes on public
4. be nice

You are already a great woman. Your profession is not great. All four things you mentioned above are related to your work.
You need to ask your self "what is stopping me to leave this industry"?
Once you know the answer you can weigh the options.
Cheers

shootermcgavin

20-08-2017, 05:46 PM

then
could you guys please let me know how to be a great woman too

1. be honest
2. say bye to this industry
3. don't upload nudes on public
4. be nice

None of the above matter when it comes to qualifying as a "great woman". If you have to do the above to survive and do the best for your family/friends then fuck it, do it. I know several WL's doing all of the above to provide for their fam, and I consider them great women because of their hustle and sacrifice. I work with plenty of women in my cushy job who do none of the acts you've listed, and they're fucking despicable.

TLDR: Good to your friends and fam above all else, thats what makes a person great.

TTLDR: I'm a terrible man and an absolute piece of shit so I might not know what I'm talking about.

harrycd

20-08-2017, 05:53 PM

None of the above matter when it comes to qualifying as a "great woman". If you have to do the above to survive and do the best for your family/friends then fuck it, do it. I know several WL's doing all of the above to provide for their fam, and I consider them great women because of their hustle and sacrifice. I work with plenty of women in my cushy job who do none of the acts you've listed, and they're fucking despicable.

TLDR: Good to your friends and fam above all else, thats what makes a person great.

TTLDR: I'm a terrible man and an absolute piece of shit so I might not know what I'm talking about.

Its true, some women can be utter cunts, it's why I avoid getting involved with women at work, maintain professional distance. Seen too many cunts fired for a slight slip of the tongue.

inmydream

20-08-2017, 06:15 PM

Mentality in corporate culture has changed not just women but many men. Sometimes I don't see any difference between them and inmates in jail. No honesty, back stabbing and will do whatever to climb up the ladder. So that's true there are a lot of women acting like cunts and maybe low than working ladies.

Pussyhands

20-08-2017, 07:02 PM

WLs saved my sanity.

That says a lot about this profession. If not for equal opportunity / equality in obtaining sex for the common / average guy (such as myself, I can be well below avrg at times hahah) I think we would have a lot of health related problems.

WL profession should be at least equal compared to all other professions.

I would rank it in the medical / health industry - similar to that of nursing/doctors - in the result it has on mental / emotional / physical wellbeing.

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Judging a person would be based on their moral and ethical values + behaviour. Not so much a socially constructed hierarchy of occupation / social status. I think we have enough examples of the wealthy / well off / born within high status who are complete wankers.

Christmas

20-08-2017, 08:46 PM

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shootermcgavin

20-08-2017, 10:29 PM

I would rank it in the medical / health industry - similar to that of nursing/doctors - in the result it has on mental / emotional / physical wellbeing

Lets not go nuts. Working as a nurse or doctor are some of the hardest professions going. A registered nurse working in palliative care, doing a double shift or an AM shift is next level brutal. Doctor working in emergency on a Friday night? Forget about it. Complete other stratosphere of difficulty.

WL's have a very difficult occupation, physically and a mentally, and I 100% agree it should be fairly compared to other occupations and not stigmatised in the slightest. It's the hardest form of customer service possible, and as you've said the health benefits extend past simply sexual. I agree with this too.
But it doesn't compare to doctors/paramedics/nurses who literally deal with life and death on a day to day basis. I've seen paramedics work on a close friend for nearly an hour trying to unsuccessfully save him. Trust me, it doesn't compare.

harrycd

20-08-2017, 10:50 PM

Palliative care is nuts mentally draining same with neuro

Pussyhands

20-08-2017, 10:50 PM

The thing with mental and emotions health is - just because you cant see it doesn't mean it is not as serious as someone having a heart attack.

If you talk about difficulty, well WLs have to deal with unclean, rude, aggressive, drugged up clients and provide them a sexual service - at times in disgust. I don't know what sort of trauma that could leave - but I am sure as shit WLs likely won't have as good of a medical cover as doctors.

So I have to disagree with you still....

WLs at the minimal improves ones mental, emotional and physical health and at best can save lives - just because it's not obviously visible, doesn't mean it's any less potent - compared to health care professionals (nurses/gp/doctors).

I am not saying to treat WLs on a pedestal as KPS should be avoided. But WL appreciation should be in the back of our minds.

shootermcgavin

20-08-2017, 11:38 PM

But WL appreciation should be in the back of our minds.

I can definitely see your perspective and respect it. Its a hard one to be subjective about as the topic is so personal, both of us I'm sure knowing WL's but also people in healthcare. However your final line right up there ^, is what it all boils down to, so salient as fuck post mate.

Edit: I've marinated on it over breakfast. Definitely not cool putting WL's in the same bracket as health care professionals. It's that kind of attitude that makes their job harder. A customer has mental and emotional problems so seeing a WL is the solution/cure? How about not burdening her with unnecessary emotional baggage and seeing a professional who can properly diagnose the problem and provide prescription medication. WL's have to provide sexual services to drunk, unruly etc etc customers? Lol pop down to St Vincent's on a Friday or Saturday night and see what staff have to deal with there whilst trying to save patients.

TLDR:

Getting sexual services for $150 to $300 an hour from a hottie and not being a prick during the session = Everyone is happy

Getting sexual services for $150 to $300 an hour from a hottie WHILST moaning about how your uncle touched your peepee or you can't get a date or your wife doesn't like the taste of your penor = Fucked

Pussyhands

21-08-2017, 08:51 AM

harrycd

21-08-2017, 09:39 AM

I see where your coming from and it makes sense to an extent. I would however say that you are underestimating the difficulty of doctors/nurses working in hospitals coming from someone who has worked at a few (in a non medical role).

shootermcgavin

21-08-2017, 09:46 AM

I do come from a biased perspective. That much I am aware of.

In what I value more (sex with as many different girls as possible) the WLs are in fact - to me - a source that solves all my mental and emotional problems.
From this perspective:
- I do value them on the same or higher comp to health care professional
- as WLs have healed me much much much more than other health care professionals.

So I guess the difference may be that it comes down to the relative health benefits I received from WLs when compared to other health professionals.
From this perspective I am rating WLs equal or higher.

If we take the years of hard work / training / selection - sure I see your point. However, I am not looking at it from that perspective - it is valid too but I guess this is where we agree to disagree :D

Fair call, if they've helped you overcome some hurdles then party on 🎉. Honestly glad it worked for you.

I see where your coming from and it makes sense to an extent. I would however say that you are underestimating the difficulty of doctors/nurses working in hospitals coming from someone who has worked at a few (in a non medical role).

Doctors, nurses, paramedics, all roles I could never do in a million years regardless of how much training I received. They are true vocations: either you've got it in you or you don't.

inmydream

21-08-2017, 10:01 AM

inmydream

21-08-2017, 10:28 AM

Doctors, nurses, paramedics, all roles I could never do in a million years regardless of how much training I received. They are true vocations: either you've got it in you or you don't.

Totally agree, it's not for everyone. Even they offer to pay me 3 times my current salary, There is no way in the world I can do it.

That's why I always get pissed off when some friends in facebook posting this horrible videos. I just can't see them!!

shootermcgavin

21-08-2017, 11:10 AM

I personally think to
become doctors or nurses, you have to love those jobs and not mainly just money. Doctors get much better pay though nurses probably not.

I was in hand theraphy unit recently and was seeing this lovely girl looking after my hand. We talked a lot and she said previously she was working in the emergency unit. She told me she could not take it due to the effect to her mental health seeing those different injuries day in day out. Doctors, nurses are noble jobs for general public.

I can see your points pussyhands. WLs help not general public but only a small section of society like us pervert punters. They can help with your problems mentally like you said but I think they could probably destroy your mental health at the same time. Don't you think sometimes you live outside realty? Yeah, it can go either way.

Good post.

Totally agree, it's not for everyone. Even they offer to pay me 3 times my current salary, There is no way in the world I can do it.

That's why I always get pissed off when some friends in facebook posting this horrible videos. I just can't see them!!

Same bro, can't handle gore or injuries. I've had a few myself and couldn't look at the stitches. I'm soft.

But taking away the gore aspect, I cant imagine having someone else's life in my hands. I fucked up an instant coffee this morning, bugger looking after someone's life.

Ditto I can't imagine delivering brutal news to a family about a loved one.

harrycd

21-08-2017, 11:19 AM

I remember accidentally walking in on a colonoscopy, grossed me the fuck out lol.

inmydream

21-08-2017, 11:30 AM

Is that supposed to be a joke or you really meant it? Why the fuck am i laughing so hard? I though you like DD.

harrycd

21-08-2017, 11:56 AM

No I meant I legit accidentally walked in on one in progress, I was in scrubs but still was grossed out lol.

G$$

21-08-2017, 12:53 PM

I have deep respect for WLs and recognize that their work provides more than just a sexual service but can also have a great impact on the mental, emotional and physical wellbeing of their clients.
Like Pussyhands, I have gone through some mental and emotional issues in the past and seeing WLs have helped me a lot with my healing, and in most cases without me mentioning my problems to them at all.
I acknowledge that being a WL is no easy job and has to be one of the most demanding customer service roles, both physically and mentally. Yes they sometimes deal with dirty, rude, aggressive, crude, drunk and/or drugged perverted men, some of which have no respect for women. They expose themselves and their bodies and have sex with these men when I'm sure they would rather clock one to the Crown Jewels for some of these guys.

However I have to agree with shooter in that I wouldn't compare WLs to health professionals such as Doctors, paramedics, nurses or even surgeons. These people also deal with the rude and unkindly. Their work is focused on the wellbeing of patients and as such nearly 100% of their patients have an issue. I would say only a small portion of a WLs clients are rude dirty perverts or mental/emotionally troubled. Also, in a lot of cases doctors/etc have their patients life in their hands.That's a huge responsibility. They deal with life and death, illness and suffering on a daily basis, I can't even start to imagine how their work effects their physical and mental wellbeing.

This does not mean I discredit the job of a WL and appreciation for WLs is at the forefront of my mind. But I would definitely put a doctor, paramedic higher than WL
Thinking on it, I would likely compare a WLs similar to a mental health professional or slightly higher. They both can help a persons mental and emotional wellbeing but no psychologist has to do it while naked and having sex with the client.

Maxybro

21-08-2017, 01:09 PM

I have deep respect for WLs and recognize that their work provides more than just a sexual service but can also have a great impact on the mental, emotional and physical wellbeing of their clients.
Like Pussyhands, I have gone through some mental and emotional issues in the past and seeing WLs have helped me a lot with my healing, and in most cases without me mentioning my problems to them at all.
I acknowledge that being a WL is no easy job and has to be one of the most demanding customer service roles, both physically and mentally. Yes they sometimes deal with dirty, rude, aggressive, crude, drunk and/or drugged perverted men, some of which have no respect for women. They expose themselves and their bodies and have sex with these men when I'm sure they would rather clock one to the Crown Jewels for some of these guys.

However I have to agree with shooter in that I wouldn't compare WLs to health professionals such as Doctors, paramedics, nurses or even surgeons. These people also deal with the rude and unkindly. Their work is focused on the wellbeing of patients and as such nearly 100% of their patients have an issue. I would say only a small portion of a WLs clients are rude dirty perverts or mental/emotionally troubled. Also, in a lot of cases doctors/etc have their patients life in their hands.That's a huge responsibility. They deal with life and death, illness and suffering on a daily basis, I can't even start to imagine how their work effects their physical and mental wellbeing.

This does not mean I discredit the job of a WL and appreciation for WLs is at the forefront of my mind. But I would definitely put a doctor, paramedic higher than WL

Thinking on it, I would likely compare a WLs similar to a mental health professional or slightly higher. They both can help a persons mental and emotional wellbeing but no psychologist has to do it while naked and having sex with the client.

So you compare mental health professionals who have studied and trained for years similar or slightly lower to a WL? I think you need to get your head read bro.

If you suffer from mental health issues, seeing a WL will not help you and in fact probably make you worse.

Mental health is very serious. For anyone out there that's suffering from mental health, don't believe the rubbish posted here and seek proper, professional help.

shootermcgavin

21-08-2017, 01:39 PM

Mental health is very serious. For anyone out there that's suffering from mental health, don't believe the rubbish posted here and seek proper, professional help.

^ This.

https://www.beyondblue.org.au

Step 1 - Let a close friend know you're having trouble, no shame in it. Yeah the boys!

Step 2 - Seek professional help. The above site is a good resource and place to start.

G$$

21-08-2017, 01:52 PM

So you compare mental health professionals who have studied and trained for years similar or slightly lower to a WL? I think you need to get your head read bro.

If you suffer from mental health issues, seeing a WL will not help you and in fact probably make you worse.

Mental health is very serious. For anyone out there that's suffering from mental health, don't believe the rubbish posted here and seek proper, professional help.wow that's how you read it, I guess I didn't come over to properly. Let me explain it more clearly for you.

In this thread, pussyhand placed WLs higher than health professionals in terms of the physical and mental demands on their lives. I agreed with Shooter in that doctors, paramedics etc have it harder. Under this criteria I would say WLs have a similar demand on their life to a mental health professional. Keeping in mind that a WL is not trained how to deal with these issues but still have to put up with anyway and they have a more physical demand as well. WL are also under appreciated and sometimes ridulculed for what they do and this can play on a WLs mental state as well.

Just to be clear, I don't discredit mental health professionals in any way. I respect them just us much as paramedics and the like and understand mental health is very serious. I recognize that it takes years of study and training to do what they do and that their job is also taxing to their own lives and mental states.
Yes, I understand and agree that if your suffering mental health that you should seek proper, professional help and not a WL.

And FYI Maxybro, I have suffered from mental illness in the past, I did see mental health professionals, I do greatly appreciate how they helped me, me going to WLs had nothing to do with my mental condition, I did not bitch, moan or even mention my problems to any WLs, and yes some WL did recognize that I was not completely mentally healthy at the time and either said something or acted in a way that helped me through my issues, whether they knew what they were doing or not.

EDIT: if we are going to talk about the path to becoming their respective professions or the value you they add to the community/world then all health professionals including paramedics, psychologists and even age care workers are rated a lot higher than a WL in my opinion.

inmydream

21-08-2017, 02:25 PM

It's funny how this topic has gone from how to become a betterman to something else.Everyone has a good point but where the fuck is Chinaman? Do you even read this thread you started???

shootermcgavin

21-08-2017, 02:59 PM

It's funny how this topic has gone from how to become a betterman to something else.Everyone has a good point but where the fuck is Chinaman? Do you even read this thread you started???

The twist: Chinaman is a neurosurgeon moonlighting as a male WL by night. This discussion had played right into his hands and validated his whole lifestyle choice.

Edit: Actually it was Christmas who swerved the conversation into how she could be a great woman, then she listed a bunch of WL attributes she thinks she'd have to curb to attain OG status. Then she posted a GIF and bailed, leaving idiots like me and Pussyhands to debate the validity of WL's versus other occupations. FML.

Christmas

21-08-2017, 03:09 PM

the twist : Chinaman is Xmas' another ego
she enjoys gender play and it also proves how she's great stirrer

https://media.giphy.com/media/xUA7bis12t1j2cMRNe/giphy.gif

shootermcgavin

21-08-2017, 05:36 PM

* insert smug Patrick Bateman laughing gif*

CunningLinguist

22-08-2017, 08:04 PM

I'm gonna settle this once and for all: being a WL doctor is the toughest profession!

Christmas

22-08-2017, 10:49 PM

yah Chinaman I'm mad at you :mad: why you threw topic and disappeared

inmydream

22-08-2017, 11:10 PM

Me too, I do get annoyed with this irresponsible Chinaman. He does start a lot of good questions though.

Pussyhands

22-08-2017, 11:25 PM

I am merely comparing the health outcomes from using WL services

I am not looking at the difficulty with which it is to obtain a medical licence.

I think I am being stubborn here because it is a personal matter ;) and am aware I sound ignorant. Having said that, ahhaha I still believe WLs are of equal status to nurses and doctors ;)

I Respect others views but this one will always hold true to me. =D

BongKong

22-08-2017, 11:29 PM

inmydream

22-08-2017, 11:49 PM

BongKong

22-08-2017, 11:54 PM

You always give blunt comment bongkong lol.

I don't think he had though.

Having sex with non working lady = making love. A lot of love not just lust. You'll be on top of the world in the beginning but you can also crash and burned in the end.

Having sex with WLs = punting with your dick talking. Happy at the beginning and you can also get burned if you visit the same person too often.

In the end, they are both the same men worst enemies = women. So prepare for the battle lol. Doesnt apply to gay people though. Their worse enemies are themselves.

I didn't mean it in a rude way. I read his posts though and i feel like sometimes he had given up on women and i question has he ever really been with any in a proper sense in terms of having someone to talk to, enjoy company with etc without paying.

If he tried that he might not need a WL as a psychologist or similar.

Christmas

22-08-2017, 11:58 PM

If he tried that he might not need a WL as a psychologist or similar.

please don't say that then how can I make money
men need women
admit it

BongKong

23-08-2017, 12:02 AM

please don't say that then how can I make money
men need women
admit it

Yeah we need women but WL / ML should just be a back up for when Tinder is slow or the missus is has her moon blood.

Not for relying on your mental health.

shootermcgavin

23-08-2017, 12:12 AM

Doesnt apply to gay people though. Their worse enemies are themselves.

Man are you kidding? Gay dudes have it made. I wish I didn't love pussy and was a gay dude. Think about it:

- Get a boyfriend the same size? Double your wardrobe
- Always have a gym partner. Never have to ask for a spot again!
- Open relationship as dudes are animals and biologically attuned to fuck as many partners as possible
- Get to pull the gay/discrimination card if an argument isn't going your way
- None of this watching bullshit romantic comedies. Predator and Commando on permanent rotation as you're both dudes
- Majority of meals are steak
- If you're both bears, you save on shaving products

The list goes on and on.

Nejums

23-08-2017, 02:30 AM

Man are you kidding? Gay dudes have it made. I wish I didn't love pussy and was a gay dude. Think about it:

- Get a boyfriend the same size? Double your wardrobe
- Always have a gym partner. Never have to ask for a spot again!
- Open relationship as dudes are animals and biologically attuned to fuck as many partners as possible
- Get to pull the gay/discrimination card if an argument isn't going your way
- None of this watching bullshit romantic comedies. Predator and Commando on permanent rotation as you're both dudes
- Majority of meals are steak
- If you're both bears, you save on shaving products

The list goes on and on.
I'm almost certain you've never interacted with a gay man before.

bfe

23-08-2017, 02:52 AM

Don't need to. Not been indian already put u miles ahead.

Very well said indeed

shootermcgavin

23-08-2017, 07:23 AM

I'm almost certain you've never interacted with a gay man before.

I simetimes lift at City Gym in Darlinghurst which is their fitness mecca. Try again.

Also, I'm interacting with you right now, aren't I?

Edit: ^ that was snarky, apologies.

Pearler

23-08-2017, 08:08 AM

Not everybody is the macho man . Pussyhands is a humble man who opinion should be heard.

BongKong

23-08-2017, 07:27 PM

Not everybody is the macho man . Pussyhands is a humble man who opinion should be heard.

Who said he wasn't macho?

harrycd

23-08-2017, 07:44 PM

I like Pussyhands he's honest about shit.

inmydream

23-08-2017, 07:59 PM

Man are you kidding? Gay dudes have it made. I wish I didn't love pussy and was a gay dude. Think about it:

- Get a boyfriend the same size? Double your wardrobe
- Always have a gym partner. Never have to ask for a spot again!
- Open relationship as dudes are animals and biologically attuned to fuck as many partners as possible
- Get to pull the gay/discrimination card if an argument isn't going your way
- None of this watching bullshit romantic comedies. Predator and Commando on permanent rotation as you're both dudes
- Majority of meals are steak
- If you're both bears, you save on shaving products

The list goes on and on.

Hahaha, you can keep your gay fantasy for yourself shooter, I dont want to know.

Are you GOT fan as well? Did you see last episode so awesome.

inmydream

23-08-2017, 08:00 PM

Not everybody is the macho man . Pussyhands is a humble man who opinion should be heard.

Pussyhands can ejaculate 3 times in a session, you think it is not macho enough? He even did porn? Definitely he's not a shy guy.

shootermcgavin

23-08-2017, 08:18 PM

Hahaha, you can keep your gay fantasy for yourself shooter, I dont want to know.

Are you GOT fan as well? Did you see last episode so awesome.

Lol no worries. If you change your mind I'm here for you though.

Nah, I didn't watch it sorry mate. Believe it or not, but I've never seen an episode. Not a big fantasy guy. At the moment I'm watching Ozark, White Gold and Banshee.

inmydream

23-08-2017, 08:35 PM

I'm not going to change my mind. Maybe try pussyhands since you guys were arguing like a couple in this thread lol...

shootermcgavin

23-08-2017, 10:48 PM

I'm not going to change my mind. Maybe try pussyhands since you guys were arguing like a couple in this thread lol...

Now now, don't be snappy buddy. Myself and Pussyhands had a respectful conversation just with differing opinions.

inmydream

24-08-2017, 08:26 AM

Chill out! It was a joke. I still think you guys can be a good couple if you both end up gay, so romantic hahah.

shootermcgavin

24-08-2017, 08:34 AM

Chill out! It was a joke. I still think you guys can be a good couple if you both end up gay, so romantic hahah.

All depends if we wear the same shirt size.

Chinaman

24-08-2017, 09:48 PM

harrycd

24-08-2017, 09:54 PM

sorry i have not reply very often. i read every message from you guy. im a little bit emotional. even though everyone dont know me you all read my post and try to help me. i appreciate very much. i am just trying to improve one step at one time. i bought dumbbells and start exercise.

Grats mate, for beginners I would recommend the SL 5x5 program theres an app that makes shit easy (https://stronglifts.com/apps/)
Also like I said before if you are starting out by yourself at home, watch some good videos on youtube on form.
Watch the videos for every workout in your first week lol, correct form is important and you will make mistakes early. If you have poor form when you start lifting heavier weights you run the risk of injury.

inmydream

24-08-2017, 10:19 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5-yKhDd64s

harrycd

24-08-2017, 10:30 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytQ5CYE1VZw

shootermcgavin

24-08-2017, 10:43 PM

Sorry boys, nice attempt. You've both posted some cute workout songs, but it's been statistically proven that the following raises free test by 1,000,000%.

Austrian Death Machine - One More Rep

https://youtu.be/J1UUkwfhWyU

harrycd

24-08-2017, 10:52 PM

inmydream

24-08-2017, 10:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgM3r8xKfGE

harrycd

24-08-2017, 10:56 PM

Oh this is derailing for sure but I forgot about this bloke hahahaha

He's Australian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8-vje-bq9c

inmydream

24-08-2017, 10:57 PM

so something more like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIKqgE4BwAY

Hahhaha this is so funny!!! seriously man...fuckin hell lol.....hopefuly he's not gonna be like that.... brooooo i still cant stop laughing...

inmydream

24-08-2017, 11:27 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q5-4yMi-xg

harrycd

24-08-2017, 11:38 PM

I was going to link Running in the 90s but it's eurobeats :sweat:

shootermcgavin

25-08-2017, 07:52 AM

so something more like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIKqgE4BwAY

Fact: I saw these guys live last year at a festival. Was totally sceptical, prepared to throw my beer at them and everything. Well let me tell you that beer was never thrown and they got me onside with sheer enthusiasm.

Don't worry too much about supplements or protein shakes at the moment since you're starting out, you don't need it.

10/10 advice. Supplements are bullshit for the most part. Maybe D-aspartic acid a bit later to help with test production, but really your best supplement is food.

What are your stats Chinaman? Height, weight, high bodyfat, skinny as a rake etc etc? Also what are your goals? Lean muscle, mass, fat loss etc?

Inb4 Chinaman doesn't reply for the next month.