Advice: Got a WLs phone number, is it OK to try and see her privately

[tigers]

Hey Guys,

First time poster so go easy! I am not new to punting but for the first time I got a WL's mobile number. We have texted a few times, get on OK. Two questions:

1. Is it ok to try and meet her privately (not through place I met her) so she gets more of the money?

2. Any of you guys have any experience of moving on from the p4p to seeing her cos she wants to? Am not sure whether she gave me her no. cos she likes me or cos she wants to keep my business! I imagine the latter!

Thanks for your advice

[bevis90]

I say why not, go for it take her out for dinner, but dont go go overboard spending alot on her keep it ro a minimum chao outsidr

[rooter]

A perennial question, but always worth discussing again.
I started a thread on this very topic a few months ago with the heading Great punting dilemmas see :
http://forum.aus99.com/showthread.php?3606-Great-Punting-Dilemmas-No-1-swapping-phone-numers-with-a-WL&highlight=Dilemmas

My number one punting rule is to NEVER see a girl outside the booking time.
I NEVER ask for their number. If they give me theirs I politely accept it and then delete it.
Check out the thread though. There are lots of different ideas and views in there.

[wilisno]

Hey Guys,

First time poster so go easy! I am not new to punting but for the first time I got a WL's mobile number. We have texted a few times, get on OK. Two questions:

1. Is it ok to try and meet her privately (not through place I met her) so she gets more of the money?

2. Any of you guys have any experience of moving on from the p4p to seeing her cos she wants to? Am not sure whether she gave me her no. cos she likes me or cos she wants to keep my business! I imagine the latter!

Thanks for your advice

No shop owners would want this to happen, and they will know sooner or later, girls will talk. It will end up jeopardizing the girl's relationship with the shop, as well as yours.

[8inches]

No shop owners would want this to happen, and they will know sooner or later, girls will talk. It will end up jeopardizing the girl's relationship with the shop, as well as yours.


Girls have a social life and will have sex in their own time for free or with payment whether the shop owners like it or not

[wilisno]

Girls have a social life and will have sex in their own time for free or with payment whether the shop owners like it or not

It's true, and no one can stop that happening, but I wouldn't advise anyone to try it.

[8inches]

Discounted sex with wls outside of business hours is risky.
Its safer to go to the shop and pay full price for that pussy so Papa gets his fair share.

[wilisno]

Discounted sex with wls outside of business hours is risky.
Its safer to go to the shop and pay full price for that pussy so Papa gets his fair share.

Adding the cost of a motel room and/or dinner, you might end up paying more !

[jellyshots]

I've been offered the friends with benefits scenario. In the cases of "free", often it isn't but it can be managed pretty well. They do expect you to pay for dinner etc. when you're out on a date. It can be hilarious when you are both out wingman'ing each other and guys buy her drinks. She'll usually do cheeky things like get a guy to buy one for her friend (you) too.

Cutting the shop out happens too but in the whole if a girl was going to do that, it was going to happen anyway. Really up to the individual. It's not as if it's tax deductible visiting the shop:)

Where things get complicated is if she genuinely wants a relationship with you. Then, you really have to know your boundaries. Most of them will want you to stop punting unless they have a client on the side. They may anyway. And if they have an old phone, steer clear - they're just like you, they have a burner. I don't know a single girl under 30 who gets good money that isn't using a smart phone.

[aussiegaigin]

I got a girl's phone number a while ago. She keeps suggesting she will invite me to her place for dinner, but when I try to get her to commit to a day/time she comes up with some excuse - my flatmate will be at home, got an extra shift, going to class, etc. Obviously just a ruse to keep me interested. In reality I am not in a position to accept such an invite anyway, as tempting as it is.

She has my number, but it is a special phone I keep just for such arrangements. She MSGs me occasionally just to keep me reminded she is around, and let me know here rosters. I can prebook appointments with her in the shops.

[Littlewonder]

I have some girls phone numbers, the best thing to do is take it slowly if you become her regular then you may get to go to lunch with her etc but don't take it as an invitation for free sex. This is her job and her livelyhood if after a while you may get to see her privately or even go away with her for a few days.

Dont be pushy let her set the pace become friends and see where it leads, if you think your going to get free sex then for get it, if your lucky sometimes you may end up with free sex but don' expect it.

[Amos33]

And if they have an old phone, steer clear - they're just like you, they have a burner. I don't know a single girl under 30 who gets good money that isn't using a smart phone.

What do you mean by this? Sorry I’m not the most technologically advanced person. I don’t have a smart phone yet.

Cheers

[guailo]

The shop is not so naive as to expect the girls not to see some clients outside the shop's business. In any case, it is not your problem.

The girl may be stringing you along, just to keep you interested enough to be her regular client. Nothing more.

Personally, I doubt if she is really keen on a genuine friendship etc. It is possible, but she would be the exception.

If you are into it for the occasional free root. As other bros say, this may end up costing you even more than paying the shop.

Play along carefully. Keep a close watch on your wallet. If she is stringing you along to keep you interested as a regular client, then you are wasting your time. Just pay the shop.

[jellyshots]

What do you mean by this? Sorry I’m not the most technologically advanced person. I don’t have a smart phone yet.

Cheers

A burner is a cheapie phone like a Nokia 6030 that you can get for $25 off ebay. Then you stick a prepaid Lycos Mobile sim in and away you go... If ML asks you for your number, give them that one. If you need to toss it in the bin, toss it. That's why it's called a burner.

If a WL or ML has one of these, she's got a bf and she's basically cheating on him so if she gives me her number I take it but never take her up on the offer. My comment about single girls under 30 not having a smart phone. Are you a ML or WL single girl under 30? Then if you are, you grew up with smart phones. If you are closer to 20, you're using a hand me down from you parents so you probably are using an iPhone 3GS or 4. If you are working in the industry, you can afford your own Samsung Galaxy or iPhone. So if you don't have one of those then, you have a burner and are cheating on your bf or you can't afford one. Sorry to be blunt but if you are under 30 and can't afford one - Samsung Mini is only $250 outright then I probably wouldn't be seeing you anyway because you'd be crap in bed.

[jellyshots]

The shop is not so naive as to expect the girls not to see some clients outside the shop's business. In any case, it is not your problem.

The girl may be stringing you along, just to keep you interested enough to be her regular client. Nothing more.

Personally, I doubt if she is really keen on a genuine friendship etc. It is possible, but she would be the exception.

If you are into it for the occasional free root. As other bros say, this may end up costing you even more than paying the shop.

Play along carefully. Keep a close watch on your wallet. If she is stringing you along to keep you interested as a regular client, then you are wasting your time. Just pay the shop.

Most free roots happen in the session if it's going to happen. Friendships, I've found the language barrier impossible with asian ML's but very easy with Cauc ML's.

[jellyshots]

Doesn't look like tiger is getting the genuinely like him vibe anyway. More like girl wanting to do business outside of the shop. Yeah, it happens. Only offer her 40% of what the shop price is.

[medragon]

I'd go for it

[medragon]

The only problem is if she's using the shop to steal clients.. But that's not your problem exactly... If it's only business I'd prefer to keep it in the shop anyway..

[wilisno]

Hehe, if anybody thinks that holding a second job is none of the employer's business, go for it !

Many companies, not even in the sex industry, do have this policy, second employment has to be declared and subject to approval, let alone taking the employer's client for your own profit ! ;) ;) ;)

[8inches]

Of course it's none of the shops business!
If anyone thinks a whore will declare her selling her pussy on the side must also believe in the tooth fairy and easter bunny.

[wilisno]

Of course it's none of the shops business!
If anyone thinks a whore will declare her selling her pussy on the side must also believe in the tooth fairy and easter bunny.
Of course she won't declare it, that shows whether it's acceptable or not.

[8inches]

Well ask yourself this, If a wl offered to fuck you for half the price at her place near the shop would you take her up or not?

[wilisno]

Well ask yourself this, If a wl offered to fuck you for half the price at her place near the shop would you take her up or not?
The argument here is not whether I will do it or not, it's whether you think it's acceptable or not ! I even said if you think it's acceptable, go for it, in the above post !

[8inches]

There is no argument here, A simple question is what I am asking you requires a simple answer.
No beating around the bush, no ifs or buts.
If a wl offered to fuck you for half the price at her place near the shop would you take her up or not?
Yes or no?

[wilisno]

There is no argument here, A simple question is what I am asking you requires a simple answer.
No beating around the bush, no ifs or buts.
If a wl offered to fuck you for half the price at her place near the shop would you take her up or not?
Yes or no?
There's no if or but, I'm saying I won't be advising anybody to do it. Whether I do it or not, I don't have to answer you, because people will take it as an advice.
But I'll say it anyway, I have had free sessions, but not discounted sessions. And the shops know I'm going out with those girls ! So you can't take me as an example here.

[8inches]

You'd make for a good politician.

[wilisno]

You'd make for a good politician.
How do you know I'm not Craig Thompson ? ;) ;) ;)

[jellyshots]

Don't a number of WL's work in t2 or more shops anyway? Who cares if they fuck a client or 20 on the side? If they can sustain it, no-one's business but theirs. It's not as if the industry has nice little printed pay slips and group certificates! And the massage places are pretty much cash businesses.

[aussiegaigin]

Many girls seem to have "contracts" with more than one shop, so the outcome wouldn't much different with private customers.

[wilisno]

I agree jellyshots.

*sigh* Wilisno you miss the point entirely.. WLs do not need to 'declare' what business they choose to transact oiutside of working hours because it is none of the shops fucking business
I told you already Charlie, go ahead and do it, what point did I miss ? Moreover, it's never the punters' problem anyway even if there's a problem !

[wilisno]

Many girls seem to have "contracts" with more than one shop, so the outcome wouldn't much different with private customers.
Many, but not all. Rarely at the higher end shops or agencies.

[Amos33]

A burner is a cheapie phone like a Nokia 6030 that you can get for $25 off ebay. Then you stick a prepaid Lycos Mobile sim in and away you go... If ML asks you for your number, give them that one. If you need to toss it in the bin, toss it. That's why it's called a burner.

If a WL or ML has one of these, she's got a bf and she's basically cheating on him so if she gives me her number I take it but never take her up on the offer. My comment about single girls under 30 not having a smart phone. Are you a ML or WL single girl under 30? Then if you are, you grew up with smart phones. If you are closer to 20, you're using a hand me down from you parents so you probably are using an iPhone 3GS or 4. If you are working in the industry, you can afford your own Samsung Galaxy or iPhone. So if you don't have one of those then, you have a burner and are cheating on your bf or you can't afford one. Sorry to be blunt but if you are under 30 and can't afford one - Samsung Mini is only $250 outright then I probably wouldn't be seeing you anyway because you'd be crap in bed.

Jellyshots, thanks very much for the explanation. I feel better now as the two long time regular wl’s who do have my number have input it into a smart phone, but thats not to say that they don’t have two of these anyway ( I’m sure they can afford two).

Cheers

[BigBoy]

I used to get the girl's phone numbers, and getting freebies ever really happened with one WL. But then she expected other things..

Most of the other girls would only use it as bait to keep coming back and seeing them at the shop.

[Travelmate]

I used to get the girl's phone numbers, and getting freebies ever really happened with one WL. But then she expected other things..

Most of the other girls would only use it as bait to keep coming back and seeing them at the shop.

Once you have met outside, you probably not interest to see them in the shop again as a customer

[BigBoy]

Once you have met outside, you probably not interest to see them in the shop again as a customer

True, she would call from just about every shop she worked at - "Come see me".. lol. I never wanted to, but I did once as I was feeling guilty.

But after that, never saw her again. Changed my number and lost hers at the same time.

The last time I asked for a girls number, she wanted me to pay for her trip back to Hong King.. rofl.

[LongJohnSilver]

I used to see a girl regularly outside of her shop. At first it was great. Only a hassle finding places to do the deed. The excitement wore off after a while.

[carmen farquis]

if you do see her just dont fall for it if she tells you she wants to quit the job but she needs the money to pay for something

[jellyshots]

if you do see her just dont fall for it if she tells you she wants to quit the job but she needs the money to pay for something

Lol, just send her back to the shop! Paying her directly outside of the shop is still a business transaction. If it's free, you can dump her just like any gf.

[gimpy]

I've heard a number of girls from different shops say they are not allowed to date customers. I wasn't asking to date them, just asking if they ever had customers who wanted to date them.

Don't get caught with her. She might end up shaving her head!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekH2MosNakA

[jellyshots]

They all say that and it's a load of crap.

[IExperiment]

Damn what happen to the funny cooment :) I wanted the W-Knight and B-Knight got deleted already :) damn admin ??? it was funny.

Anyway this scenario never work well for me cause like The self Proclaim W-Knight said this is what happen to me anyway, I always ended spending more cause the hotel has to be decent and I dont wanted to take any girls to my place as I promise my partner never take to my place broke that promise twice anyway :) so I ended giving the girl $250 and the cheapest place I ended up going is Villa than after twice in the Villa no more all hotel so ended around the $400 minimum.

[jellyshots]

The thing is, when this starts to move outside a shop it's heading into paid mistress territory. Ah, time for another thread...

[dannyboy]

She wouldn't have given you her number if she didn't want to talk to you or meet you out of work, the shop cannot dictate what a girl does in her private life, they don't own her..

[LongJohnSilver]

Why would you be worried what the shops think? That's a matter between the girl and the shop. If she's willing to meet outside of the shop then it's a green light all the way.

[Midnight_Prowl]

Hey Guys,

First time poster so go easy! I am not new to punting but for the first time I got a WL's mobile number. We have texted a few times, get on OK. Two questions:

1. Is it ok to try and meet her privately (not through place I met her) so she gets more of the money?

2. Any of you guys have any experience of moving on from the p4p to seeing her cos she wants to? Am not sure whether she gave me her no. cos she likes me or cos she wants to keep my business! I imagine the latter!

Thanks for your advice

Hey bro...

Only live once give its go....

I went out with many of them without any intention....and now I know about 10 now..... Most of them I get free sex but i have known them for like 3-7 years....but all of my wl r milf....I am into milf so that is cool with me....

So good luck and treat them well

[dannyboy]

I am the MILF hunter, whats your fav place for asian milfs?

[project_manager006]

They all say that and it's a load of crap.


She wouldn't have given you her number if she didn't want to talk to you or meet you out of work, the shop cannot dictate what a girl does in her private life, they don't own her..

You're thinking from the perspective of a western society employer. Presumably these are Asian shops who like to control their girls. It's just business sense for them to prevent girls from seeing guys, or even having boyfriends, outside the shop, because they think it's better for the guy to pay the shop to see the girl, than to get it for free outside the shop, or worse, pay the girl without the shop getting a cut.

If you think otherwise, let us all know what happens when you walk into a shop and tell the receptionist you're going out with one of their girls.

[8inches]

Who would be stupid enough to walk into a shop and tell the receptionist you're seeing 1 of their girls?
Of course any outside of shop hours fucking is done behind shops back.
These girls have lives too.
They're not just money making robots for their bosses.

[jellyshots]

Who would be stupid enough to walk into a shop and tell the receptionist you're seeing 1 of their girls?
Of course any outside of shop hours fucking is done behind shops back.
These girls have lives too.
They're not just money making robots for their bosses.

Probably Wan Chai and then he's probably dumb enough to pay for it on top of that.

[jfoldbar]

ive been out with 3 or 4 wl's over the years. we just exchanged numbers and went to dinner and her house etc. heck i even went away on holidays for a few days with one in the country.
i came to the conclusion that whatever they say or do may be fun at the time, but they are playing games.
basically its always in the back of their head that however much they may like you or want to hang out with you. they know that you know what they do for money. and they plays with their head.
no harm done, just dont expect anything from them.

[dannyboy]

I say fuck what the shop wants, these girls work for a wage just like me and you, they are not slaves or the property of these greedy shop owners, WL's are entitled to happiness and a social life like everyone else..

[johnnieinoz]

Hey my first post after punting for a while. I had few girls I met outside and quite frankly I don't think it is going to work out for
1) She is trying to use you
2) You just want free sex but end up spending shit load of money on her
well I did have a Korean WL (and I am of Korean descend) who I went out for a while, hot, nice personality, down to earth kind of girl
and ended up breaking up because I could not keep it out of my mind to think how many guys she may have slept with before.
So my advice would be if you ask, nah.

[jellyshots]

Hey my first post after punting for a while. I had few girls I met outside and quite frankly I don't think it is going to work out for
1) She is trying to use you
2) You just want free sex but end up spending shit load of money on her
well I did have a Korean WL (and I am of Korean descend) who I went out for a while, hot, nice personality, down to earth kind of girl
and ended up breaking up because I could not keep it out of my mind to think how many guys she may have slept with before.
So my advice would be if you ask, nah.

Would it be different if she didn't do full service or extras, if she was just an ML?

[readyfreddy]

As long as you think with your head, what's the drama. let it play out and see what happens.