KAREN/SALLY ,,,THE SWITCH

[cliffqueens]

Not sure if your allowed to complain about shops here, but here goes..

I have read about others having girls switched when it suits Angie and now she has done it to me

I Booked Karen at 533 Willoughby, who I had last booked probably 2 years ago...Remember her as being fit , gorgeous looking and sexy..

Arrived on time sent to room and in shower.......in came Angie and "karen", I thought shit she has aged in 2 years...Was disappointed in her appearance but didn't want to offend, so went with the flow.

I asked "karen " ,where she was from...she replied Singapore...mmmmmmm the REAL Karen is from Malaysia.

I got home and looked online andKaren had been switched to Sally. Sally was ok but why does Angie do that?

Previously I have been lied a number of times by Angie to get me to the shop, but to now have always relented and returned from time to time despite her BS........but never again. That was my LAST visit to 533.....I won't b missed but its my silent protest...

PS I went looking for Angie after punt to ask her who the woman I had just been with was...but couldnt find her , but saw 3 girls in a room preparing themselves, I asked them there names........TIP for anyone thinking of a cheap punt at 533 , Look at profiles on site and then ADD about 15 years ..

[cliffqueens]

Smurf haha yeah your right.
But no more for me 🙄

[cliffqueens]

Jav , Yea ur right too , I’m sure there are some there who to some have great bodies and that’s all that matters.
4 I saw today were all old. But that’s to b expected for $90
I personally will pay the xtra to places like Ginza in future,where at least photos represent the real girl and they are younger
Guess lesson for me is U get what u pay for 😁
Viva la diference

[hotnite]

Karen is from China not Malaysia. Not that it matters but this type of behaviour is tolerated by punters hence it continues on.

[Brothelcreeper]

Any monkeys riding unicycles down the corridor ?

I love the stories from this shop...but hate going there. Was treated like shit there once by Angie for not choosing one of the three girls on offer so never will I return.

Angie is a star....and a nightmare....

Very popular shop though.

[trevor]

The art is punting low end and to do it well. Done well and its twice the fun for half the price

Posted my thoughts on the Op General thread. But 533 is a blast if you know what you are doing

If you are an infrequent punter you may get bowled over by the pace and then its not for you. Wipe away your tears and try the more expensive shops

This review says nothing new. Read other 533 threads to see the same complaint

What would be surprising is if OP described major wasting or lady not into it at 533. Rare as. Thats the much more common issue at a lot of shops

[hotnite]

If you are an infrequent punter you may get bowled over by the pace and then its not for you. Wipe away your tears and try the more expensive shops

This review says nothing new. Read other 533 threads to see the same complaint

What would be surprising is if OP described major wasting or lady not into it at 533. Rare as. Thats the much more common issue at a lot of shops

If by ‘Doing well’ you mean bend over and take whoever Angie throws at you, then to hell with that.

How does one ‘know what he’s doing’ exactly at 533 ? if people already made booking but lost it, or worse, got baited with the leftovers, the only logical option is to walk away.

You know what’s ridiculous ? When your booking isn’t honored and got other ladies thrown at you.. and if you stood your ground or left, Angie had the nerve to get upset at you !! Like, wth ???

[trevor]

But hasnt this all been discussed before, like in the last few months, and over and over.

If you didnt read this before, and you arent ready for it, then you need to do your homework, and dont go to 533

Plenty of people punt at 533 hence its always a busy shop for good reason

Instead, recommended you visit a more expensive place and avoid your disappointment. Leave bookings for those who have done their homework and arent intimidated by a middle aged mamasan

If it aint your scene, it just aint your scene.

The place is doing gangbusters, because the women have amazing work ethic

[Yogurt]

Angie angie , ....... You run a shop not a magical show of david copperfield

[Assandlegs]

Just because it's been discussed, doesn't make it go away, or right.
If a shop does the bait and switch... it's a fucking insult. They don't deserve to be a legitimate business as they obviously have no real ethics or code of conduct. They should be called to account.... it's an insult to all customers.

[hotnite]

Just because it's been discussed, doesn't make it go away, or right.
If a shop does the bait and switch... it's a fucking insult. They don't deserve to be a legitimate business as they obviously have no real ethics or code of conduct. They should be called to account.... it's an insult to all customers.
100%. Honoring bookings got zero to do with low-end or high-end, or quality of the girls.

Ginza’s name been brought up and they honor bookings and expect the same with their punters. They may not get it right 100% of the time but that’s not even comparable.

When the mamasan knowingly act in a deceitful manner to gullible punters for $$$, then punters need to call them out.

Yeah, you can walk away if that happens - but by then you have ALREADY spent time and money to travel to the shop. This is what I think is often overlooked.

It’s as if they’re just accepting every single booking to grt everyone through the door first, and then juggle the girls around depending who’s available. The punters get whoever is available.

So yeah, they might be busy right now but let’s see if we can get this thread on top for a month or two and how things turn out then.

Let’s see what happens when unassuming punters actually KNOW that their booking is never guaranteed and they might be given another girl depending on their LUCK. Because that’s exactly the message that this shop has been sending out over these years.

[cliffqueens]

Thks for ur reply Trevor
Ur right that this is nothing new , doesn’t that tell u something about the ethics of Angle and the integrity of the shop
I have been heaps of times and all the girls have been great I get what I pay for , but that doesn’t excuse Angle for the way she treats the punters. Ok I hv vented. Have a great day

[Raybo]

I haven't punted at 533 since last May (20th May, Jan's birthday, much older than she looks). I went once since but eventually walked 45 minutes after my booking. Bella was the mamasan then. She told me the girl i booked went home because she was 'sore'. I think she offered me Paulina when she became available but i couldn't wait any longer.

Prior to that, i would say i went between 2 and 4 times a month for about 2 years and infrequently the previous 2 years. Angie and some of the girls knew me very well. Only once was the switch put on when i made a booking, sadly, on my birthday. I posted the experience on here. The place was chaos, Angie screaming and yelling, 3 or 4 punters in waiting rooms and the hallway, girls running around everywhere, all rooms in use. In hindsight it was quite the spectacle!

You are doing well if you can book Karen i hear. Some of the other girls told me she is pretty much booked 10am-12am any time she is working. So many guys extend or go for longer sessions with her for various reasons. Should Angie intervene and tell the girls they can't extend with the existing customer of they have a booking? Remember she just wants all rooms in use to maximise her profits: she really doesn't give a fuck which one of is dumb punters are paying for it!

I am a little on the fence with this one. Cliff ol' mate, i feel your pain and respect you venting in here. Your silent protest has more pull than what you think it does. I stopped going for other reasons btw.

[B0nkers]

At the risk of being slaughtered here I would like to put up another perspective.
Angie makes plenty of bookings for many of the girls. (I wouldn't dare walk in here without making a booking). How many of these bookings turn up late or are no shows. As a business person how is she meant to account for that? If she is getting fucked over, I'm sure she wouldn't hesitate in doing the same back. This industry is full of people who don't care. Customers, service providers and proprietors.
The high end of the market can afford these no shows and late comers. Where as the $150 per hour would not be as affordable so something has to give.
We have all read and most likely encountered a switch in lady. But if it were me I would take the bird in the hand rather than some who maybe late or even not show. I am sure she has as many frustrations or more about the punters shenanigans as we do about hers.

Let's see how this fly's???

[trevor]

Its like whinging about used car salesmen or dodgy car mechanics

Thus forum has been warning about this place for years - can anyone find the first mention of this?

If you go there and you dont know how to avoid this, since you are prewarned you should be ready to walk out

Many of us have been many times with no switch, either very lucky or we know what we're doing. Its always a possibility but i avoid it by doing my homework first
Advice- go to the more expensive places if you dont like the place

Dont mistake me though, substandard service, which is the far bigger reason for regret, is a lot harder to avoid in some places, so I dont go to many places here

[trevor]

Jav_Fan thanks for putting more sense into the discussion.

This thread has been done over and over from what i have found

People complaining about such a well publicised issue is like complaining about slipping when there is a sign on the floor saying "Warning - water on floor" with an arrow pointing to the water on floor.

[hotnite]

If they bite, they bite, if not, no harm done.

No harm done except wasting punter’s time and money spent traveling there.

There’s nothing “genius” about this method. It’s just basic greed and scamming people.

These Angie apologists just crack me up!

[trevor]

Still surprised people get intimidated by Angie if they choose to leave. Shes a middle aged business manager.

Man up, look her in the eye, and politely say, Im outta here

Not so difficult.

Avoid 533, go to a more expensive shop, and problem solved

[B0nkers]

These Angie apologists just crack me up!

FUCK YOU Hotnite. I am in no way apologising for Angie. I am trying to make you look at it from another perspective. If you can't do that it's time you grew up and stop putting shit on people who can take other people's point of view on board.

[hotnite]

Pull your head in kid, why should she care about your time or any money you have that doesn't end up in her pocket? Must be rad living over there in Candyland where businesses are set up to help you and not earn as much money as humanly possible.

TLDR: Harden up princess. It's a business, not a charity. If you don't like it then jog on, I'm sure your lack of 1 hour bookings at 533 will be stinging Angie badly.

And why are you so giddied up about how much money she makes ? If she took my booking only to dishonor it & tried pushing the leftover, I ll walk.

It just means that she’s just wasting her breath and my time, and I value the latter.

Why is that so hard to understand?

[hotnite]

Still surprised people get intimidated by Angie if they choose to leave. Shes a middle aged business manager.


If that puzzles you, you should witness her behavior when people do exactly that.... after she LIED to their face.

[hotnite]

FUCK YOU Hotnite. I am in no way apologising for Angie. I am trying to make you look at it from another perspective. If you can't do that it's time you grew up and stop putting shit on people who can take other people's point of view on board.
With all due respect, fuck your perspective.

[Assandlegs]

Pull your head in kid, why should she care about your time or any money you have that doesn't end up in her pocket?

Wow... JF69... I actually hope you are playing devils advocate here and not supporting a code of conduct that would NEVER be tolerated in any other business field.

533 is a registered and licenced brothel and as such, is expected to follow a number of guidelines that all businesses are REQUIRED to follow. There is no difference between a brothel and any other business when it comes to ethics of customer service.

Trevor - Do you actually believe that she should "look after" her regulars by fucking over potential regulars?

I don't know which of you are her regular customers, but judging by your responses and attacks, it seems pretty obvious that some of you have no concern that there is no code of conduct adhered to, and if a booking is not honoured because a fucking regular is dipping his cock in longer than he should is just fucked on so many levels. Such business practices are not tolerated in any other business and should never be tolerated here.

[B0nkers]

With all due respect, fuck your perspective.
You give no respect as you don't seem to be reading the whole post.
This is just another perspective not necessarily mine. I never said I agreed or not just offered another way of looking at the situation.
I will not bother anymore with this thread as it has deteriorated into a pile of shit.

[trevor]

Assandlegs im not condoning any Bait and switch.
Im just saying its her business style
Most other shops wouldnt get away with it for so long but this place does. But most shops dont charge $150 Diamond service either

Its like wingeing about used car salesman or crappy mechanics, except on this forum this news has been out there for possibly years about this place.

Its not going to change and its interesting reading people still getting pissed off thinking its going to change. Just go somewhere more expensive than $150/hpur for Diamond and problem solved

Lets make this a sticky thread or otherwise forum can keep revisiting it every three months. It as always good for a healthy laugh because it is not going to change

[Assandlegs]

Wow.. straight to personal attacks..

[hotnite]

I'm "giddied" (I guess that means impressed?) by how much money she makes because I work in finance and can appreciate a well implemented business model. Note that nowhere in any of my replies have I mentioned morals or ethics? I'm not interested in judging those aspects of how she runs 533. You seem to be making it personal with her, when in actuality it's all about numbers.

I also find it hilarious/impressive/amazing that a small immigrant woman with passable English and a great poker face is able to run game on and hustle so many blokes simultaneously and in the space of less than 24 hours ignite such heated debate.

You ask me why is it so hard to understand that if your booking is dishonoured you'll walk? I guess I don't understand because here you are online flapping your gums and saying not much of anything. I mean, don't YOU understand the irony of posting that you value your time, and yet here you are just drumming up business for her and keeping 533 in the punting conscious?

Assandlegs, do you really want to discuss codes of conduct with me? Perhaps I should message Wilson at Ginza and let him know which particular code of conduct you haven't been adhering to ay? I've heard he doesn't take kindly to that kind of activity. You have the balls to endanger other punters, and yet talk about brothel guidelines????

But, to answer your question, yes I do support Angie's code of conduct. Why? Because as a regular it benefits me. What do I care about some other faceless bloke in the waiting room beside me? So and so rocked up for his 45 minute booking? Ok, cool story, I'm not done yet here's $300 for 2 extra hours, tell him to jog on.

Do I think this is morally right? No.

Do I care? Well seeing as how I'm probably up to my nuts in a WL's guts at the time, no I don't care.

P.S. Your first two paragraphs make no sense. What exactly are these phantom guidelines brothels have to follow saying they need to honour bookings lol? Shit doesn't exist fam.
Well it doesn’t take fucking much to impress you, that’s for sure.

Walking out on a bait and switch may be an issue for most people, but not me. Thing is , though, she deliberately misled people to waste their time to get there in the first place. That’s what you and the other apologists seem to fail to grasp.

Drum up her business ? Please. If I’m the mod, I’d sticky this thread and see how things go in a couple of months just for laughs.

You seem to not care about the bait and switch, and that’s cool too but hey - don’t criticise other men just because they don’t want to settle for leftovers.

Plus, don’t be sitting there acting like you got preferential treatment. Everyone knows regulars don’t mean jack in 533. Just means that you’ve tolerated her BS for long and will continue to do so.

To help people understand, here’s how Angie ranks regular punters, walk-ins, and girls in terms of their value:
1. $$$
2.

Get the idea ? What a “business model”, ay?

[csda]

Question for those regular/semi regular:
When is the most quiet time for 533?
I know to avoid Thurs and Fri due extra spending power provided by centrelink.
Working 9~5 sucks too, they are busy most early evenings

[Raybo]

Question for those regular/semi regular:
When is the most quiet time for 533?
I know to avoid Thurs and Fri due extra spending power provided by centrelink.
Working 9~5 sucks too, they are busy most early evenings

I don't know for sure but i have generally had one of the better rooms and no waiting when i went mid-afternoon pretty much any day. Lunch times during the week can be chaotic, as is from 5pm-6pm onwards.

[hotnite]

Did you eat paint-chips as a child or something?

Allow me to break it down for you so it'll be easier to grasp:

1) Nobody cares, and nobody has commented on whether you walk on a bait and switch or not. You keep saying you don't care and you'll walk. That's great. I'm happy for you. You're a pillar of fortitude and im sure your walking on a 1 hour booking is really hurting the 533 back end.

You still don't get it though. Angie knows the risks pulling the bait and switch, which is why she continues to do it. Okay, so big man hotnite will take his bus pass back downstairs and go home. So? The next bait and switch punter might not. Clearly you don't understand the gamble of the bait and switch.

'Angie knows the risk?' ... what on earth are you talking about ? You even said it there. If Angie takes a booking for a girl that's already busy for the chosen time, and plans a B&S, two things will happen: the punter falls for it or accepts the leftover (i.e. softcocks who can't say 'no') in which case she'll make money. And if the punter walks, well then, how exactly would she be worse-off than where she started ? To call something a "risk" or a " gamble", there has to be a scenario where the person might lose. This shows that you clearly don't know the meaning of either words.

Also from the punter's side, he's already spent time and money to arrive at the booking time, so that's the loss on their part - which in some ways work to her advantage. I wonder how many people just ended up settling for leftovers because they've already made the efforts to go there.

Not wanting to spend money on a leftover, or pointing out the fact that myself or others have been tricked at our own expense don't make me a "big man". That makes me a normal punter. Seriously, what the fuck are you on ?


2) Sticky the thread, write it down, put it on your fridge or calender, no one gives a fuck. You think she's going to change how 533 functions when it works gangbusters and always has? And yes, you are drumming up business. Do you have any grasp of how advertising works at all? Just be posting your last woefully underbaked comment, you bumped this thread. I'm sure some punters read through the whole thing and made an informed decision. I'm also sure some punters saw the title, and thought "...ohhhh, Karen, hmmmmm, better get on the blower to Angie". Have you heard the saying there's no such thing as bad press?
Tell that to Barnaby Joyce.



4) She gives preferential treatment to whoever has the most money on the day. Regulars who drop big coin get preferential treatment. Duh. Nowhere did I state that I'm a beautiful unique snowflake. I just seem to grasp what you can't: more money beats less money. I call up, get my choice of booking, get my choice of room, because she knows I'm likely going to spend more money than the next punter. If someone who is likely to spend more than me calls up and does the same, I get bumped. Big deal. The only difference is that I've discussed this openly with her and at least get an honest answer. If you did the same instead of whinging about bait and switches constantly, maybe you wouldn't get strung around.
Isn't that exactly what I've said ? To her, there is no such thing as regulars, walk-ins, star ladies. Just $$$.
And yes, you are a beautiful unique snowflake. You get an honest answer while the rest of punters is getting screwed all because you discussed it openly with her, whatever the fuck that means.
No one really gives a fuck if they don't get the bookings they want, or if told their bookings have been given to somebody else. They'd just dial the next shop on the list or book another day. That's how it supposed to be, anyway - but not with this shop. Come in, please. Oh you're here for XXXXX ? Take your ticket and wait for whoever's next.


5) As for your amazingly concise, unjustifiably smug last comment, you've clearly failed. I outlined in detail how she arranges her bookings, how regulars work against non-regulars, how this process benefits the girls, I could go on. You've written a bunch of dollar signs, then done a mic drop. I mean, do you even possess any comprehension or critical analysis skills at all?

Oh shit, but hotnite will walk on a bait and switch!!!! Back the truck up people!!!! He'll walk!!! For sure, he has clearly won the day. How will the shop recoup from that lost $100? How will the girl console herself with the yellow brick you cruelly snatched from her palm? Woe is Angie, I'm sure there won't be another punter lining up.
Yeah you did. Good for you. I have a simpler way to explain how she operates and prioritises - money. I'll leave you figure out the rest is because I could give a flying fuck.
I wouldn't waste any $ or my time on this shady operator. And how the fuck would I have won the day when I was tricked and decided to walk ? Is that supposed to be winning ? Fuck, you're sad.

[Brothelcreeper]

Well this is a heated debate......only Angie could stir such emotion.

Carry on boys.....I am enjoying the show....

The forum has been a bit light on in arguments, fights and piss takes recently so good to see a nice verbal slanging match going on.

More interesting than "well who is your favourite Ginza girl" threads

Let the jousting continue.

[hotnite]

Lol, long reply for someone who doesn't care. I legit didn't even read the crap you posted because you're clearly an entry level beta cunt who is salty because Angie wouldn't give him the girl he wanted and he had to get on the M40 with his dick in his hand.

I've already been spammed with PM's from other punters saying they know who you are, and apparently you ain't shit, so on your bike cunt.
Mate, you obviously did read that “crap” if that weak shit is all you could come up with.

On your way, then. Oh wait, don’t forget to take this L. :D

[hotnite]

Real talk: JAV_Fan69 doesn't post, it's quiet. JAV_Fan69 posts, shit gets rowdy.



Nah in all seriousness, all of you are alright. Even you hotnite. I wouldn't give you a lift to the airport, but I'd buy you a beer or possibly give you a dart if you were out.
My sentiments exactly. We’re all punters here so there’s really no real beef.

A little verbal slanging ain’t gonna hurt nobody.

[trevor]

Jav_fan, So what is Hotnite? A shill for the competitors or a beta?

Im not the only one who gets tired of these bait and switch 533 stories. Old news

[hotnite]

Why wouldn’t you ? You’re a stooge.

[trevor]

Plenty of $150 an hr shops don’t have this reputation. It’s got nothing to do with price and everything to do with management

Recommend some of these comparable $150/hour Diamond service shops you suggest. Love to hear of other good value places with the described 533 features.

Over to you

[hotnite]

Recommend some of these comparable $150/hour Diamond service shops you suggest. Love to hear of other good value places with the described 533 features.

Over to you

Gladly, once you named one - that's it, just one - other shop who has as bad reputation with honoring bookings, hygiene, working conditions, misleading girl age and body info, and morally bankrupt management, as 533 Willoughby.

One, that's all I ask. One.

[trevor]

Haha I asked the question first.

Was the question too hard to answer?

So no comparable shops for $150/hour Diamond then?

[hotnite]

Haha I asked the question first.

Was the question too hard to answer?

So no comparable shops for $150/hour Diamond then?
What’s so hard about it ?

They’re just a regular suburb MILF shop that you find spread all over Sydney.

What exactly is “Diamond” about 533 since you keep using that term ?

It sure as shit ain’t their booking, so is it

Their run-down facilities?
The MILF’s ? You mean, those same ones who also work in other suburb shops?
The services? As in the same stuff most of them had to do to compensate for their lack of physical qualities, or to retain regulars?
The “girls”, ahem, ... age ?
The hygiene?
Their fucking towels?
Seriously, what ?

Now, can you name one other shop that has the same rotten reputation with bookings, along with Fuck-the-customer attitude as pathetic as 533 on this forum?

Here’s your L. :D

[trevor]

Still waiting for an answer to the question

[hotnite]

Why? You don’t like that one ? :D

[trevor]

This thread is getting boring now.
I will tell you two shops that gives awesome "Diamond" service with great girls and they are 244 Paddington and 19a Brodie St Rydalmere. $160 and $150 hr and you are pretty much guaranteed DFK, bbbj, DATY and girls in their 20's and 30's. Both very clean shops.
I have been going to 19a for 10 years and it is fantastic. Great receptionists and good girls.
There are lots of shops to choose from. Each to their own.

Thanks for the suggestions