a different approach to the topic of “fake photos”

[24k]

Hello fellow punters. Seems like fake photos have been discussed enough on this forum but please do hear me out - I’m not here to complain about it, I am here to see if there’s anything we can do about it haha

To give you an idea of how I want to bring change - I am a part time photographer/marketing student.

I also have been burnt before by fake photos.
Since then I have been thinking - is there a market for a photographer in this industry?
Perhaps an in-house photographer? (Someone who is permanently the go-to when there is anyone new)
Who would shoot girls in the same manner and set a standard so customers are well informed of what they can expect?

I have a simple idea that I’d like to discuss with owners and managers in the industry.

What I want to ask the forum and its experienced punters is:
-would this idea to combat fake photos be well interpreted by owners
-if executed well: would this create as much of an increase in traffic/customers to the business as I imagine there to be (or do most of the customer base not care about photos at all)
-are there any road blocks you can foresee
-has this been attempted before
etc (do I sound like the hero punters of sydney deserves or an absolute lunatic you didn’t need haha)

I would really value any input :)
Please go easy on me even if you think I’m out of my mind haha

[harrycd]

Hello fellow punters. Seems like fake photos have been discussed enough on this forum but please do hear me out - I’m not here to complain about it, I am here to see if there’s anything we can do about it haha

To give you an idea of how I want to bring change - I am a part time photographer/marketing student.

I also have been burnt before by fake photos.
Since then I have been thinking - is there a market for a photographer in this industry?
Perhaps an in-house photographer? (Someone who is permanently the go-to when there is anyone new)
Who would shoot girls in the same manner and set a standard so customers are well informed of what they can expect?

I have a simple idea that I’d like to discuss with owners and managers in the industry.

What I want to ask the forum and its experienced punters is:
-would this idea to combat fake photos be well interpreted by owners
-if executed well: would this create as much of an increase in traffic/customers to the business as I imagine there to be (or do most of the customer base not care about photos at all)
-are there any road blocks you can foresee
-has this been attempted before
etc (do I sound like the hero punters of sydney deserves or an absolute lunatic you didn’t need haha)

I would really value any input :)
Please go easy on me even if you think I’m out of my mind haha

I have a smartphone and I'm willing to undercut this guy and take photos of WL for free, shop owners feel free to PM me for availability.

:shout:

Photos are usually paid for and provided by WL's
I do like the ones when you can tell they are taken in the shop the best. I do remember Jessie from Gladesville 42 would post videos of the girls strutting down the hallway :o

Some girls don't want their faces shown which obviously makes things harder, girls also want to be shown in the best light :/

It's all swings and roundabouts, these days I rarely pick off photos alone and rely on recommendations either from shop reception or other punters

[24k]

I have a smartphone and I'm willing to undercut this guy and take photos of WL for free, shop owners feel free to PM me for availability.

:shout:

Photos are usually paid for and provided by WL's
I do like the ones when you can tell they are taken in the shop the best. I do remember Jessie from Gladesville 42 would post videos of the girls strutting down the hallway :o

Some girls don't want their faces shown which obviously makes things harder, girls also want to be shown in the best light :/

It's all swings and roundabouts, these days I rarely pick off photos alone and rely on recommendations either from shop reception or other punters

Haha thanks for your great input (except for the part where you want to undercut me lol)
Yes showing the girls in the shop (a common location of any sorts) gives you the reassurance right?
I wonder how many people aren’t interested in photos, maybe I’m more focused on their looks as I’m quite new to the scene..

[storry_teller]

The key is how to convince wl/ml to be comfortable with the photo work. As long as they’re comfortable but not scared of being in photoshoot then it’s simple to have a good pic with smartphones.
New girl is scared of that. They don’t want to be recognized by people.
Also lots of girls just work few shifts then disappear so no point for owners to pay for photoshoot.
Who will keep the pics? Owners or staffs? I reckon who pays for it will have the right to keep. But then if the owners keep using the lics even though the girls have retired or simply don’t want their photos being used, then what’s next? That’s another thing that the girls concern.
Other things like they’re not professional models so not know how to pose or not have Canon are actually not really matter.

[24k]

The key is how to convince wl/ml to be comfortable with the photo work. As long as they’re comfortable but not scared of being in photoshoot then it’s simple to have a good pic with smartphones.
New girl is scared of that. They don’t want to be recognized by people.
Also lots of girls just work few shifts then disappear so no point for owners to pay for photoshoot.
Who will keep the pics? Owners or staffs? I reckon who pays for it will have the right to keep. But then if the owners keep using the lics even though the girls have retired or simply don’t want their photos being used, then what’s next? That’s another thing that the girls concern.
Other things like they’re not professional models so not know how to pose or not have Canon are actually not really matter.

Wow ok you bring up so many good points.

-I did fail to realise that lots of girls do work a few shifts and move on quickly. Thank you, I will need to think about this more.

-I believe I can push for a style of photo where girls choose how much of their face to reveal - whilst still having a standard of photo where customers can understand (hard to describe in words)
In this regard I was also focusing on the body more than the face so you have a good point I have to think about.

-In terms of posing I don’t believe I will have trouble posing new girls with no experience, and photographic equipment is not a problem either.

-The most interesting question to me is the topic you raise about who keeps the photos.
Just seeking to understand how does that differ from the girls handing over regular selfies/non-pro photos to the shop?
If a girl leaves a shop - regardless of where it’s from, the photo of her is still in the shop owners hands.
Yes the owner has paid for them in this case but where would they continue to use the photo? Will they blatantly lie to their customers saying that the photo of ex-girl A is a photo of new girl B perhaps?
In that case I do have a remedy for that in mind, one that will prevent the owner trying to fool the customer.

-I was thinking to provide the photos to both parties (shop and girl - do you guys think there will be any issues around this)

Appreciate your deep thinking storry teller :)

[wilisno]

Lol ! What makes you guys think shop owners have paid for the photos and thus own the photos ? ;) ;) ;)

[24k]

Lol ! What makes you guys think shop owners have paid for the photos and thus own the photos ? ;) ;) ;)

Hmm hello wilisno, could you please elaborate? Not sure if I understand you clearly

[wilisno]

If a girl leaves a shop - regardless of where it’s from, the photo of her is still in the shop owners hands.
Yes the owner has paid for them in this case but where would they continue to use the photo? Will they blatantly lie to their customers saying that the photo of ex-girl A is a photo of new girl B perhaps?
In that case I do have a remedy for that in mind, one that will prevent the owner trying to fool the customer.

-I was thinking to provide the photos to both parties (shop and girl - do you guys think there will be any issues around this)

Appreciate your deep thinking storry teller :)
Read it yourself, you said it yourself.

[wilisno]

Usually the girls supply the photos to be used for advertising only, with specifications like how they want them blurred ! The shops have no right to reuse them if the girl leaves, that unethical !

And even if you want to be the travelling photographer who will offer the service for free, I doubt how many shops or girls will take you on ! This industry is a lot more complicated than you think, it’s not like something you can register with Fair Trading for authenticity.

[24k]

What I meant is that if the owner hires a photographer to come in and shoot their models, it gives them the right to use the photos.
I then questioned why they would want to continue using the photos if that model left.

Sorry if I still don’t understand you wilisno :(

[24k]

Usually the girls supply the photos to be used for advertising only, with specifications like how they want them blurred ! The shops have no right to reuse them if the girl leaves, that unethical !


Yes I agree to this statement.

[wilisno]

What I meant is that if the owner hires a photographer to come in and shoot their models, it gives them the right to use the photos.
I then questioned why they would want to continue using the photos if that model left.

Sorry if I still don’t understand you wilisno :(

Firstly, no shop owner would invest in hiring photographers to take photos for the girls, and depends on what kind of agreement, the photos don’t automatically belong to the owner and to be reused .

I’ve been called upon and had done some photo-shoot for some girls, but that’s with consent from all parties involved, it’s not part of the requirements of employment, and the girls have all the rights to their own photos.

[24k]

Firstly, no shop owner would invest in hiring photographers to take photos for the girls, and depends on what kind of agreement, the photos don’t automatically belong to the owner and to be reused .

I guess you’re right - as there’s no quality control on the photos we see. (That’s what I want to challenge!)
And no one is making the initiative to try see what powerful photos can bring. I understand that.
I’d like to know though, Wilisno if you were a shop owner - why wouldn’t you give it a shot?

[wilisno]

I guess you’re right - as there’s no quality control on the photos we see.
And no one is making the initiative to try see what powerful photos can bring. I understand that.
I’d like to know though, Wilisno if you were a shop owner - why wouldn’t you give it a shot?

If I’m a shop owner, I’ll do it myself, with the girls consent of course. Hiring someone ? No way !

As I said, nothing’s wrong with the way it is business wise, why would they want to spend money on something or someone who might only work for a day or two ?

And very often, the girls might even start on the same day of the interview, why bother ? As I said before, usually the girls supply their own photos, not all girls are comfortable to be taken photos by the shops, if the shops impose too many regulations, they might not even be able to get the girls to work for them !

To you, they might be losing some business because of some photos, the fact is, they know better than you do, they’re in the business, not you !

10 might get pissed off by some photos while 100 have come in because of the same photos, do the math !

[24k]

If I’m a shop owner, I’ll do it myself, with the girls consent of course. Hiring someone ? No way !

As I said, nothing’s wrong with the way it is business wise, why would they want to spend money on something or someone who might only work for a day or two ?

And very often, the girls might even start on the same day of the interview, why bother ?

To you, they might be losing some business because of some photos, the fact is, they know better than you do, they’re in the business, not you !

10 might get pissed off by some photos while 100 have come in because of the same photos, do the math !

I see your point. Thank you, I am seeing my lack of experience and that your perspective is incredibly different. Really appreciated.

I’d love to hear any more opinions if there are more out there :)

[Mike2812]

I see your point. Thank you, I am seeing my lack of experience and that your perspective is incredibly different. Really appreciated.

I’d love to hear any more opinions if there are more out there :)

Bro as mentioned above no shop is going to be willing to pay for this kind of service. Maybe if you offered it for free there might be a chance. But for them to pay, there’s no way.

[Jireg]

Potentially there is room for the sponsored advertisers to get formal ‘verification’ of posted photos for this forum.

This would more make the distinction between:
- Not the same person - fake
- Not the same person - but similar
- Same person, but old photo
- Same Person, retouched
- Verified, as per photo

While I would imagine that the ones using fake photos wouldn’t opt for this, however it would make the more honest photos stand out more.

[AHLUNGOR]

Hey 24K,

All these talks, how about you post a couple of your own photos to illustrate your skills and how it would show off / highlight the girl’s best features / attributes/ natural talents - without revealing her face and ID of course !

Personally I love to see shops advertising with girls photos and I usually only looking for one thing, the cleavage/cup size and challenging myself to either resist the temptation or take up the challenge and pay for the privilege to examine if the big tits are real or not. They don’t have to be a glamorous studio production, in fact the raw the better and as someone has pointed out - taken inside the shop that I would recognise.

If you still don’t get it, please take a look at Bonnie from Blossom and her 36 E Cups !


https://image.ibb.co/hiuxLH/IMG_3200.jpg

Picture does say a thousand words ! No ?

Enough said ?

[CountryPunter]

Hey 24k
It's a great idea, but I doubt you'll get many takers.
Coming from the country, most of my punts are with private wls. And I've been caught with the old bait and switch plenty of times. Nothing pisses me off more than seeing an add for a smoking hot size6 23yo, send a msg, get a photo back of a smoking hot size6 23yo, turn up, door opens and there's a size 12 50yo boiler hiding behind the door. Just feel the blood drain out of lil bro.
And there's no way a chick like that will ever post her real pics. Women like that work on the theory that at least some blokes will still want a fuck.
Few times I've been to Sydney shops the girls I've seen have fairly closely matched the photos on the shops website. With a bit of touching up but near enough.
I've seen a private wl in Sydney and she uses accurate pics that are professionally done.
I reckon if you can pull it off it would be a dream job, with great fringe benefits lol.

[hyperultra]

Good luck chasing your dreams. If you are very good it could work. Anything that improves industry standards is a good thing



I do like the ones when you can tell they are taken in the shop the best.

Agree with this

Good consistent service, at value pricing, is becoming much more commonplace now in Sydney.
Given the range of good shop options, I now will only be a regular in a shop that has photos taken on the premises, (or at least accurate photos provided by the lady) that are accurate when I meet the lady.
We have had photo edit software for over 20 years, its not difficult to obscure part of the face these days, so no more room for excuses.

Jesse is a good man and he treated the subject of photos very professionally. Paddington 244 looks like it too takes genuine photos on premises. Of course too many to mention the other shops that provide accurate photos too.

Another good development is genuine shops all over Sydney are putting watermarks and other features on their accurate photos so they cant be re-used by unscrupulous shops. Clever and its good for all us punters too. Its really not that hard to be genuine if you respect your customers and want repeat business

Brothels and parlours, you are asking customers to fork out $100-400, ffs do the honorable thing and display actual photos.
By all means protect privacy by obscuring parts of face if needed.

Recommend showering your cash on those places that are genuine. Consistent service is key. Accurate photos are the icing on the cake. Let your money do the talking and walking, and shape the industry

The main issue is consistent good service.
But consistent good service, and accurate photos tells me where the quality babes are, and will be where I direct most of my cash

[Weapon]

I see your point. Thank you, I am seeing my lack of experience and that your perspective is incredibly different. Really appreciated.

I’d love to hear any more opinions if there are more out there :)

Don't let an argumentative know it all kill your dreams bro.

Your idea is already in place but maybe not with any known advertisers on here but it has been done. I have been there when the in-house photographer is there and yes it is the shop that organises it so pictures are all consistent. These two shops do extremely well!

So its very possible if you speak to the right people and sell your idea well.

[liminal]

24k buck up... get a folio organised, get your social media poppin and taking Lungors lead, i mean poppin, and by all means post some of your creative work here

The Sex ind. as pointed out is challenging complex, so is the creative world you inhabit.

There are plenty of ‘glamour’ photographers out there... how you going to differentiate ?

[nostromo]

If you spend any time on sex worker socials you'll see the complaint about "photographers" offering their services either for free or looking to "break into" the industry.

The girls see through this. Shops will too.

[storry_teller]

Posing is just small thing.
Challenge is are you confident to make the girls trust you? If they don’t trust you, then nothing can be done. If they’re comfortable with that, still no need you involved as shop owners can do that job with a good phone camera.
Shop also might have new girls every week and every girl has different shifts so hard to gather all of them in one day for photoshoot. They can’t hire you to be there everyday too.
Big question: don’t You think it’s a conflicting? Every girl and shop want good pics for them to present, or do marketing for themselves but not all of them are perfect. They want to hide their wrinkles, or to be slimmer, taller, younger, etc. will you do that for them? Then how about the purpose of showing to punters a real or close look?

[wilisno]

Don't let an argumentative know it all kill your dreams bro.

Your idea is already in place but maybe not with any known advertisers on here but it has been done. I have been there when the in-house photographer is there and yes it is the shop that organises it so pictures are all consistent. These two shops do extremely well!

So its very possible if you speak to the right people and sell your idea well.
So, are you the argumentative know it all ?

The times you happened to be there when an “in-house” photographer was there, do you know who he was ? Just a friend to the shop or a dedicated glamour photographer ?

Do you know if it’s an on-going condition of employment for the girls or the shop ?

Chances are, I can guarantee you’ll find not all photos from the shops where you bumped into a photographer are taken by him. It just happened that the particular girls are keen to get more work and they don’t have the presentable photos to work with, check again if they still have all genuine “in-house” photos ! Lol

As I mentioned above, I’ve done that for a few times, all willing participants, but not as a requirement or conditions of employment !

[storry_teller]

I guess you’re right - as there’s no quality control on the photos we see. (That’s what I want to challenge!)
And no one is making the initiative to try see what powerful photos can bring. I understand that.
I’d like to know though, Wilisno if you were a shop owner - why wouldn’t you give it a shot?
Some might but not everyone. Actually they’ aware of the power of photo but they also are aware of the consequences of their identities leak. That’s for the girls and shop owners cannot push them to do.

[wilisno]

Some might but not everyone. Actually they’ aware of the power of photo but they also are aware of the consequences of their identities leak. That’s for the girls and shop owners cannot push them to do.

That’s exactly the case !

Some girls just don’t know that once the photos appear on the internet, it’s there forever, a risk for life !

[Raybo]

So, are you the argumentative know it all ?

The times you happened to be there when an “in-house” photographer was there, do you know who he was ? Just a friend to the shop or a dedicated glamour photographer ?

Do you know if it’s an on-going condition of employment for the girls or the shop ?

Chances are, I can guarantee you’ll find not all photos from the shops where you bumped into a photographer are taken by him. It just happened that the particular girls are keen to get more work and they don’t have the presentable photos to work with, check again if they still have all genuine “in-house” photos ! Lol

As I mentioned above, I’ve done that for a few times, all willing participants, but not as a requirement or conditions of employment !

LOL - don't poke the bear. 😁😁😁

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[AHLUNGOR]

While we are in the subject of photos being used by shops.

Full credits must go to shops like 42 when they posted WLs photos like these, what you see is what you get, right ?


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[AHLUNGOR]

And Rita is definitely my Cups of tits !!


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[Starved]

Even if it’s not a great Photo I much prefer it when you can see the photo was taken in the shop.
Can always add their professional photos as well !
Might not work so well in a budget shop where the WL looks like a dropped pie . 🥴