Daily Telegraph Report

[des888]

Interesting read

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/sydney-massage-parlours-found-guilty-of-illegal-sex-with-private-investigators/news-story/3b5633fa4d4103378a940108aec522f8

Sussex Star fined $20k

[Melbpunter69]

That does not surprise me one bit, I've been to Sussex Star there a number of times and offer FS every time without fail.

[aussiegaigin]

Subscriber only for online viewing. Looks like I'll have to waste $1.90 on their shitty rag.

[xboyx]

Interesting read

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/sydney-massage-parlours-found-guilty-of-illegal-sex-with-private-investigators/news-story/3b5633fa4d4103378a940108aec522f8

Sussex Star fined $20k

need to pay to read.
how about you copy and paste the report here

[des888]

Worked for me I didn’t have to pay I think you can find an alternative search online

[Melbpunter69]

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[Melbpunter69]

Subscriber only for online viewing. Looks like I'll have to waste $1.90 on their shitty rag.


need to pay to read.
how about you copy and paste the report here
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7305215/amp/Private-investigators-receive-happy-endings-massage-parlours-authorities-bring-down.html

[bevis90]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/sydney-massage-parlours-found-guilty-of-illegal-sex-with-private-investigators/news-story/3b5633fa4d4103378a940108aec522f8?utm_source=DailyT elegraph&utm_campaign=EditorialSF&utm_content=SocialFlow&utm_medium=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR10L-GT3-HzHYi3vnm0Mrk0o8BKx6mNf9I2smVEfOGz6gNzBvQjyMRTXYw

[BlackToad]

Can’t read the article- which were the other 4 convicted?

This no good for anyone[emoji3525] seems Sydney council is cracking down after many yeas of turning a blind eye.

[Brothelcreeper]

Big fines. $7000 and $20000.

Councils obviously don’t do a very wide ranging review as every massage parlour offers these extras.

[nubby]

Worked for me I didn’t have to pay I think you can find an alternative search online


Private investigator lifts the lid on his work having sex in illegal brothels
A private investigator who gets paid to have sex in illegal brothels has lifted the lid on his work, declaring: ‘I have an objective to meet, I’m being paid to do it.’ READ HIS INCREDIBLE STORY.

[nubby]

The undercover agent hired by councils to investigate if massage parlours are illegally offering sex services says he has laid his body on the line about 50 times in the past few years and makes no apologies for what he does for a living.

The agent, named Brad for the purpose of this interview, lifted the lid on his job, telling The Daily Telegraph: “You walk in with an air of confidence, like you get these rub and tugs regularly”.

In fact, he said a sexual service was provided at about 95 per cent of his visits.

The Daily Telegraph revealed on Tuesday private investigators were getting “happy endings” to gather evidence the City of Sydney then used to prosecute massage parlours in court for supplying sex without consent.
Brad estimates he has been on about 50 of the undercover sex missions and the objective was not to enjoy himself.
It’s a job, I have absolutely no emotional connection to it. I go in, I have an objective to meet, I’m being paid to do it,” Brad, who works for private eye firm Lyonswood Investigations and Forensic Group, said.
“I’d say only 5 per cent of the time a service hasn’t been provided.”
Brad said he was usually offered hand relief but would also have sex in a minority of cases.
He said he usually climaxed during the investigations, which provided stronger evidence against the business.
“You can’t just go and say it was offered. It has to be 100 per cent, beyond any doubt, this service was actually provided rather than just offered,” he said
He said it was important to appear confident when he walked in.
“You just use a casual tone, without coming across like an agent,” he said.
“Some places will make the offer right at the outset when you walk in. Body slide? Hand job?
“They might have a sign saying ‘we don’t supply any sexual service’, then say ‘here you are, do you want a hand job?’
“Typically you just pay at the front door for the massage then the additional service may be provided by the masseuse.
“In most cases they’re going to offer.”
Brad stressed the sex was just one facet of his investigations into illegal brothels, and one tiny part of his job as a private investigator, which also involved in-depth research and surveillance.
“It ranges from high-pressure legal investigations through to following someone through the city on a bus or train or while they’re walking through Taronga Zoo,” he said.
He knows some people think part of his job is sleazy but said it was necessary.
“It’s the only way that we’re able to show or demonstrate what’s going on in there,” he said.
Lyonswood Investigations director Lachlan Jarvis said agents going undercover into brothels were usually single.
“We have a few guys who do it, and to my knowledge they’re not encumbered by relationships, or serious relationships, so they have that latitude to take on this kind of work,” Mr Jarvis said.
“At first glance it’s a very strange thing. The truth is when you do it for a living … it can be quite labour intensive, you have to provide a detailed report, provide affidavit evidence and you might even have to attend court.
“We strongly believe every industry in Australia should be regulated.”

[nubby]

There you go guys

[BlackToad]

There you go guys

Thanks bro nubby.

I like the line about how he has put his “body on the line 50 times”.... wtf....

Also he only gets extras 95% of the time?? I’ve put my “body on the line” hundreds of times and with a 100% hit rate..... guess I just walk in with more confidence [emoji23]

[kingwally]

That does not surprise me one bit, I've been to Sussex Star there a number of times and offer FS every time without fail.

Really...I have been to SS many many times and NEVER been offered FS, I did get a BBBJCIM from a girl there a couple of years ago.

[kingwally]

Can’t read the article- which were the other 4 convicted?

This no good for anyone[emoji3525] seems Sydney council is cracking down after many yeas of turning a blind eye.

Wynyard massage at 299 Kent street and Pyrmont Star on Harris Street, not sure of the third.

[Forward Must Hang]

Slow news week.

That muppet Duff trots this "startling expose of the massage industry" and "the shock horror of your rates being used to fund some PI to get wanked off" a couple of times a year.

It's really unremarkable that Councils do this to get evidence. Its not as if they can have their own staff go in undercover and get a tug, gees imagine the outcry from Duff then "Council staff paid to carry out investigations including receiving sex during work hours".

As far as Council targeting certain parlours and not the other 600 that operate in the Sydney CBD, Council probably don't care. Assume they know about it and turn a blind eye to this stuff unless they receive a complaint.

A close mate of mine* worked for a western Sydney council and this was part of his job. He said he didn't care if they set up in a commercial area then he'd turn a blind eye to it until some peanut went whinging to the mayor and then he had to do something - including getting the PI in.

He gave me an example...

1. Shit bag dumping rubbish in a creek or bushland
2. Slumlord converting a garage to a flat and it's dodgy - and he's seen these kind of places burn down and people perish
3. Massage shop offering hand relief

1 and 2 he had a moral obligation to do something about in the interests of environmental harm or risk to life. No.3 is something he'd sometimes be forced to deal with reluctantly and it got in the way of dealing with real issues like 1 and 2.

Of course Eamon Duff gets all worked about this stuff so has to blow it out of proportion and probably blow a load while going to print.

FMH

*PS - we've been punting together a couple of times, obviously NOT in the area he works in though LOL

[Warrabong]

That investigator is a scumbag. How can he accept fs then dob in the shop. Destroying something he probably enjoys. Bet your reading this post too so hope your karma won’t take too long. Maybe you will mess with the wrong shop and they will chop you up and put you in the garbage

[moby]

He said he usually climaxed during the investigations, which provided stronger evidence against the business.
“You can’t just go and say it was offered. It has to be 100 per cent, beyond any doubt, this service was actually provided rather than just offered,” he saidbrothels were usually single.

And the council (our rates) is funding these visits?

[aussiegaigin]

Dozens of RnT shops in the CBD, but they only targetted two of them?

[des888]

They targeted the one with the most complaints in guessing most likely from disgruntled neighbors

[woods23]

That does not surprise me one bit, I've been to Sussex Star there a number of times and offer FS every time without fail.

Lol I had to work my ass off just to get it nd is not happened very often.
What is the tricks?

[Painterdan]

Dozens of RnT shops in the CBD, but they only targetted two of them?

City of Sydney has had a bit of a crackdown lately, other shops you will have seen have dialed back their descriptions and/or now have uniforms.

[BlackToad]

How legally is this proven? Any legal experts here?

Not a legal expert but I did watch a lot of CSI, I believe they do a semen search using UV light:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AKhTqePNrPs

[Lyndsay]

How hypocritical of the investigators, the trashy newspaper, the gutless reporter - undoubtedly they all go to massage parlours away from work. Absolute arseholes. The shops are just providing a service to prevent men flirting with women, which these days your average woman interprets as sexual harassment. What a hypocritical society we live in! What harm is done by these shops? They provide a vital service relieving men's frustrations in a twisted, warped world that's hard to find a woman who can satisfy normal sexual urges of men because they're so damned prudish or feminist twisted. What do we want to see? All these shops shut down and a sudden increase in rapes? And then you get these Bloody arsehole, hypocritical do-gooders trying to make money out of nothing!

[Melbpunter69]

Lol I had to work my ass off just to get it nd is not happened very often.
What is the tricks? I won't name the girls here. I don't have any tricks, I just act as my normal self but I always never tip at the start and without fail on the flip for Part 2 the full menu is disclosed. Each girl I have seem has different services & rates. My regular at SS doesn't even charge me anymore then the standard $50 for the extra services.

[Bundyon]

Been here a dozen times and never offered full service, so Melbourne Punter you say and I will quote you

MP-"Each girl I have seen has different services & rates"

Earlier you said u were offered FS without fail, so has each girl offered you FS but doesn't do HJ or something like that, or do some just do FS as a given like you have stated and not do massage? as they have different services and rates yet they all give you FS, It seems odd............

[Raybo]

Councils don't proactively go out and 'crackdown' on massage shops, they have to act on complaints raised by rate payers and the general public.

Investigators are just doing their job, though I did laugh at the 'putting his body on the line' comment.....it is not like he Cameron Smith lining up for his 400th NRL game! Just lay back and cop the wristie lol....

If you really want to get angry at someone, it's the do-gooders, the competing shop owners, the disgruntled ex-employees and sometimes even pissed off customers that raised the complaint in the first place and made the council get off their fat arse and investigate the matters.

As for those two shops I have seen and heard some interesting stories. Wynyard Massage MLs are instructed to wash their used tissues in a hand basin. Walking past SS recently, a rubbish truck was across the road collecting rubbish. I seen a girl dart out of SS with two full rubbish bags, cross the road at breakneck speed and dump the evidence straight unto the back of the truck!

[Raybo]

In the case of SS the guy deserving most of the blame is the absolute fuckwit punter that approached a schoolgirl outside the shop and initiated all the heat on them a couple of years ago. Like yeah mate, even if they wear a uniform inside, they’re really going to get about in it on their commute too....

That fucking idiot should’ve had his balls confiscated.

Oh yeah I remember that! The non-punting public sees stories like that and tar us punters with the same brush! Is there a Darwin Award equivalent for stupid punters?

[moby]

The Councils wisely dont overreach, limiting investigations to the very small number of shops where there are complaints, usually from competitors
I think its well recognised is that this is a third tier issue for them
Council planning, garbage collection, and good value for the publics rate payments are the main roles of council
Im not sure paying private investigators to be getting massages is a sustainable use of public money

[BlackToad]

In the case of SS the guy deserving most of the blame is the absolute fuckwit punter that approached a schoolgirl outside the shop and initiated all the heat on them a couple of years ago. Like yeah mate, even if they wear a uniform inside, they’re really going to get about in it on their commute too....

That fucking idiot should’ve had his balls confiscated.

I have a different take on that story.... do we have any source for this apart from Duff? My guess is Duff went round asking school girls if they knew what SS was about. Some of them decided to make fun ( as teenage girls do) and told Duff a story of being approached by punters. Duff of course eagerly laps it up and reports it as news.

Maybe never happened. Just Duff reporting BS.

[moby]

I have a different take on that story.... do we have any source for this apart from Duff? My guess is Duff went round asking school girls if they knew what SS was about. Some of them decided to make fun ( as teenage girls do) and told Duff a story of being approached by punters. Duff of course eagerly laps it up and reports it as news.

Maybe never happened. Just Duff reporting BS.

All the reporting just brings sex out into the mainstream, and serves a counterproductive purpose
I was literally eating lunch in the staff room, yesterday, and the newspaper was on the table.

For the general public, most are unaware of the massage industry and dont really want to know. Women and children dont want it pushed under their noses as they have lunch. The only people who want to know, are those men that read the article and say, I want to try this massage thing

There are no ladies of the night pushing their wares on street corners, women are making an income, and its all discrete

On the other hand, the Telegraph page 15 is telling all men that nice women are available to give you a great massage, as they eat their lunch. The article also states that if you are undercover, you can ask and get more behind closed doors without management knowing. Finally the article states that Council are literally funding men to get massages

[kingwally]

I know for a fact that the Sydney Council has two high profile lesbian councillors and many LGBTQXYZ#*& people working there ....I have straight friends that work there and they feel uncomfortable there because they considered different in the work environment. There was a council meeting last year were there was a call to limit the number of massage places in the council are because there were reports of inappropriate behaviour in them by males (straight ,of course). These people do NOT like straight males. There is no talk of shutting down the poofter bathhouses that are in Oxford Street or Sussex street because it would be considered discriminatory against gays, and the councillors are well aware of these places.

I agree with another poster on here that if these places were all wiped out, there would be an increase in sexual assaults. Just look at the small remote country towns where nothing like this exists, sexual assaults are prevalent.

[Raybo]

https://i.imgur.com/P8wWfSo.gif?noredirect

[storry_teller]

The undercover agent hired by councils to investigate if massage parlours are illegally offering sex services says he has laid his body on the line about 50 times in the past few years and makes no apologies for what he does for a living.

The agent, named Brad for the purpose of this interview, lifted the lid on his job, telling The Daily Telegraph: “You walk in with an air of confidence, like you get these rub and tugs regularly”.

In fact, he said a sexual service was provided at about 95 per cent of his visits.

The Daily Telegraph revealed on Tuesday private investigators were getting “happy endings” to gather evidence the City of Sydney then used to prosecute massage parlours in court for supplying sex without consent.
Brad estimates he has been on about 50 of the undercover sex missions and the objective was not to enjoy himself.
It’s a job, I have absolutely no emotional connection to it. I go in, I have an objective to meet, I’m being paid to do it,” Brad, who works for private eye firm Lyonswood Investigations and Forensic Group, said.
“I’d say only 5 per cent of the time a service hasn’t been provided.”
Brad said he was usually offered hand relief but would also have sex in a minority of cases.
He said he usually climaxed during the investigations, which provided stronger evidence against the business.
“You can’t just go and say it was offered. It has to be 100 per cent, beyond any doubt, this service was actually provided rather than just offered,” he said
He said it was important to appear confident when he walked in.
“You just use a casual tone, without coming across like an agent,” he said.
“Some places will make the offer right at the outset when you walk in. Body slide? Hand job?
“They might have a sign saying ‘we don’t supply any sexual service’, then say ‘here you are, do you want a hand job?’
“Typically you just pay at the front door for the massage then the additional service may be provided by the masseuse.
“In most cases they’re going to offer.”
Brad stressed the sex was just one facet of his investigations into illegal brothels, and one tiny part of his job as a private investigator, which also involved in-depth research and surveillance.
“It ranges from high-pressure legal investigations through to following someone through the city on a bus or train or while they’re walking through Taronga Zoo,” he said.
He knows some people think part of his job is sleazy but said it was necessary.
“It’s the only way that we’re able to show or demonstrate what’s going on in there,” he said.
Lyonswood Investigations director Lachlan Jarvis said agents going undercover into brothels were usually single.
“We have a few guys who do it, and to my knowledge they’re not encumbered by relationships, or serious relationships, so they have that latitude to take on this kind of work,” Mr Jarvis said.
“At first glance it’s a very strange thing. The truth is when you do it for a living … it can be quite labour intensive, you have to provide a detailed report, provide affidavit evidence and you might even have to attend court.
“We strongly believe every industry in Australia should be regulated.”
A dream job, then :slobber:.

[rooter]

Over 90% of R&T shops are not licensed.
They are operating officially as legitimate massage therapy shops only.
All they are allowed to provide is a massage and nothing more. They are not even allowed to provide a hand job.
But of course we all know that they provide a hand job and sometimes much more than that. The punters know, the Council knows, the neighbours know, everyone knows.
That's why you just pay for the massage up front and then negotiate the tip with the girl later on behind closed doors (curtains)
Some R&T shops like Midas, Mastige, Romeos etc are actually fully licensed brothels and can legally provide sexual service. They have nothing to hide. They could operate as full service brothels if they wanted to, but they prefer the R&T business model.
As for the 90% of unlicensed R&T shops, the Council generally turns a blind eye.
Mainly because it's too hard to prove they are providing more than a massage behind closed doors (curtains)
As the above news story shows it involves a lot of money, hiring private investigators, gathering evidence, launching a prosecution etc.
So Council's generally let it go, and anyway they collect the rates etc from the owners and parking etc from the punters.
But every now and then they will prosecute a shop usually just to satisfy a crusading neighbour, or councilor, or religious nutter, or media.
And then it's back to business as usual.
The other shops keep on doing business and even the prosecuted owners just set up another shop somewhere else.
It's all pointless and a waste of taxpayers and ratepayers money.
The Council should spend the money on more useful things like fixing roads, rubbish collection, meals on wheels, the elderly, the homeless, recycling etc.
It's important make something very clear. No crime has been committed here.
The police are not interested.
The punters and MLs have nothing to worry about.
All that has been breached is the Council's planning/zoning Regulations or By-laws.
And the Council (not the Police) goes after the owner for breaching those Regulations.
The owner cops a fine and even if it's $10,000 that's nothing compared to the profit a really busy shop makes in a year.
It's not a criminal conviction.
It's like copping a fine for parking in a No Parking Zone, or dumping your old mattress out on the street.

[scoop]

Glad to see that Sydney's infrastructure problems, congestion amelioration, rubbish removal etc.
are all so up to date that City council's exorbitant rate income can be spent on this shit.

[AHLUNGOR]

This was also reported in the local Chinese newspaper Sing Tao Daily and reading the events in Chinese makes it almost sounds like a review !

你是韓國人？
不，是泰國人！

You are Korean ?
No, Thai

Happy ending = 好收尾。

全套 150 元 - full service $150 !

And the photo of the shop front was showing.

Let’s all be very careful out there.

Good luck to all city shops

Cheers

[Melbpunter69]

Been here a dozen times and never offered full service, so Melbourne Punter you say and I will quote you

MP-"Each girl I have seen has different services & rates"

Earlier you said u were offered FS without fail, so has each girl offered you FS but doesn't do HJ or something like that, or do some just do FS as a given like you have stated and not do massage? as they have different services and rates yet they all give you FS, It seems odd............
It means that I got offer FS but each girl offered different services i.e CBJ, BBBJ, BBBJCIM & Anal and the tips varied between girl i.e $50-$150

[warwick1]

It means that I got offer FS but each girl offered different services i.e CBJ, BBBJ, BBBJCIM & Anal and the tips varied between girl i.e $50-$150

Let me know your secret O Great One:grimace:

[sukeong]

SS girls have been extra careful after news reported on the shop so I doubt anyone can get FS easily much less every visit.

[moby]

It's important make something very clear. No crime has been committed here.
The police are not interested.
The punters and MLs have nothing to worry about.
All that has been breached is the Council's planning/zoning Regulations or By-laws.
And the Council (not the Police) goes after the owner for breaching those Regulations.
The owner cops a fine and even if it's $10,000 that's nothing compared to the profit a really busy shop makes in a year.
It's not a criminal conviction.

Brillant post rooter
We can summarise the futility of investigative reporting using your summary. Massage is done by two consenting adults in a safe workplace

Because in 30 years time, long after this newspaper article was written, there will still be 1000s of people paying for massages legally, in far far bigger numbers than today. Its a way of life for 1000s of people, and a source of income for 1000s more
In a stressful, expensive city, men and women will always enjoy massage as an inexpensive way to unwind and destress

The massage industry funds a lot of young people as they study and try to make a better life for themselves, in one of the most expensive cities in the world, again due to poor council, state and federal planning and budgetting

[moby]

Glad to see that Sydney's infrastructure problems, congestion amelioration, rubbish removal etc.
are all so up to date that City council's exorbitant rate income can be spent on this shit.

Is this story of massage parlours really a big deal in Sydney, the city of sin?
Not unless its the bible belt suburbs in the northwest

As for the city? Come on. Noone cares about this investigative reporting as most of the population there are rapid turnover city workers or overseas students

Again its a third tier Council issue

Its hardly likely to get anyone a Walkley journalism award. If I was a journalist, I would want to be able to tell my kids I reported the big issues of the day.
I would not want to tell my family and kids that Im reporting on how some undercover men are asking for special massages behind closed doors unknown to management

Your family and kids are going to Google what your journalistic output was, when they get to high school

If you are going to keep our society well functioning and report on Council, well done.

But please put far more effort into how planning laws are compromising everyones quality of life, by building more and more apartments in areas with no increase in infrastructure, public transport or wider roads. Focus all your efforts on the politicians and council members approving ridiculous new buildings in rural or heavily overpopulated areas with no new infrastructure

[Forward Must Hang]

If you really want to get angry at someone, it's the do-gooders, the competing shop owners, the disgruntled ex-employees and sometimes even pissed off customers that raised the complaint in the first place and made the council get off their fat arse and investigate the matters.

my mate reckons he got a heap of complaints from competing shops and they were the worst complainants. Especially in the suburbs where the one shop had the monopoly and another operator would move in and take their business.

FMH

[Forward Must Hang]

Also, Eamon Duff was doing stories about local brothels and massage parlours in the early 2000s when he was a local hack journo.

He is fixated on this stuff. Not sure what his beef is with the industry, he either flipped out over a WL that broke his heart or he bars up over the thought of the availability of sexual services. He's strange. Fucking strange.

FMH

[CunningLinguist]

Maybe Eamon Duff has discovered the pleasures of the Muff!

[Forward Must Hang]

I think he's been denied too many times.

No muff for duff, life's tough!

FMH

[CunningLinguist]

There once was a fool named Duff,
he thought he could shutdown a massage shop!
He was not getting enough muff,
since MLs thought he was a cock.
So he wrote some silly stories,
and complained alot!
and never got to satisfy his morning glories,
oh what a cock!

[eltran]

I wonder what's changed, few years ago some councils were complaining they weren't able to make 'charges' stick.

[moby]

While the bookshops, stationers, clothes shops, shoe shops, newsagents and record shops all go into receivership due to the internet, massage shops, hairdressers and florists thrive.
People will always want to spoil themselves, with things that cant be enjoyed in front of a computer.
Thr last thing Councils want to do is to kill more businesses. The depressed retail environment and the internet and the big Westfield shopping centres are already killing suburban businesses.