278 Club - pay before you see policy

[Mayday]

I've frequented 278 Cleveland several times and have never had a reason to complain as they've always been courteous. But for some reason, their demeanor changed when I visited their new location at 479 Elizabeth for the first time last Friday.

I was greeted by a guy at the counter upon arrival and the conversation went something like this...

479: How long you want to stay?

Me: x minutes

479: Ok. That's x dollars

Me: Ok. Can I see the ladies?

479: Yes but you need to pay first

Me: And if I don't like any of the ladies, you'll refund my money?

479: If I show you more than 10 girls, No. If I show you less than 10, I will charge you $20.

Me: You're kidding right?

479: No. If I showed you that many girls and you still don't like any, then you need to pay. I don't want to waste my time

Me: This never happened before

479: (smiled) Well the guy before you was told the same thing

Me: Ok. That's up to you (walked out)

I've never ever been forced to pay before seeing what I'm getting - even 5 star at their prime weren't this arrogant. I'm a paying customer and deserve to be treated better so personally, I will not return.

I decided to post this because a) I wanted everyone to know about this policy, and b) I'm curious if anyone has experienced this appalling customer service, either at this establishment or anywhere else? Thanks

[Hhhrjd]

I agree. I saw this with my own two eyes when I was waiting for my booking. Intimidation and threat do not work here. It will only result in adverse affect.

From 479 perspective, I can understand their side of the story. When you line up close to 15 girls and if the prospect didn't pick one, you get tired of it. I guess they want to be like Ginza but the girls just don't match Ginza's quality, mostly in the looks department---479 girls service is on par with Ginza.

I hope 479 can give the benefit of the doubt more to the customers. I wouldn't be happy if I was on the receiving end of that attitude, I'll walk straight out and never come back.

[des888]

They can get away with it I guess and at the end of the day your feet did the talking

[holi_day]

You probably ended up somewhere else, seeing less quality and quantity line up, for free, and spending more than 20 or 50 extra, receiving less quality service and be a less happy man.

If I trust the shop, I will just go for the girl I like the most from line up. If I am not happy with service, I find somewhere else next time.

I don't like the idea of charging customer for seeing line up, but except Ginza, because so far, their line up is second to none in Sydney. If I can't pick, I would call myself a time waster.

I never time how long does it take to get all the girls, introduce one by one, wait for you to decide,often times, you ask questions etc. There are 10ish girls there, some even half naked.

I don't believe Ginza sees this as a revenue steam to make money. They would much prefer you are a genuine customer and want a genuine punt. They just need to control time waster and keep girls happy so we all happy.

[yug]

This could all have been avoided by some logistical changes.
If the girls hang-out room was next to the line-up area, it would be all too easy.
Contrary to that, girls at 479 have to walk up a flight of staircase on high heels and then walk the line-up.
Not easy task to do if you have to do it 50 times a day.

Another idea is a little over the top. They could do something different:

Install a big-ass TV and play either pre-recorded intros of girls or have/cut to the live feed to the girl's room where they do the line-up there.

[ellison]

If this place has genuine good reviews, then I dont have a problem with this. We should be rewarding brothels that work hard to ensure good service, and that can attract so many staff
But if the price is $200-300, service is hit and miss, and there is no service quality control or serious attention to customer feedback, if reported poor service is greeted with a shrug of the shoulders by papasan, then a brothel demanding money just for a lineup should be avoided.
There are a few brothels outside the city, in Southwest, with large lineups of young ladies, but where the service is very inconsistent. So a large lineup doesnt mean the WL cares about service they provide. I used to go to a brothel near Central station, with lineups of 4-6 young WL, but the service was poor. I stopped going after 3 visits as I dont enjoy wasting money

[Mayday]

I agree. I saw this with my own two eyes when I was waiting for my booking. Intimidation and threat do not work here. It will only result in adverse affect.

From 479 perspective, I can understand their side of the story. When you line up close to 15 girls and if the prospect didn't pick one, you get tired of it. I guess they want to be like Ginza but the girls just don't match Ginza's quality, mostly in the looks department---479 girls service is on par with Ginza.

I hope 479 can give the benefit of the doubt more to the customers. I wouldn't be happy if I was on the receiving end of that attitude, I'll walk straight out and never come back.

Thanks for the heads up on Ginza - I won't be wasting my time going to that place either if they have the same arrogant policy.

[Mayday]

You probably ended up somewhere else, seeing less quality and quantity line up, for free, and spending more than 20 or 50 extra, receiving less quality service and be a less happy man.

If I trust the shop, I will just go for the girl I like the most from line up. If I am not happy with service, I find somewhere else next time.

I don't like the idea of charging customer for seeing line up, but except Ginza, because so far, their line up is second to none in Sydney. If I can't pick, I would call myself a time waster.

I never time how long does it take to get all the girls, introduce one by one, wait for you to decide,often times, you ask questions etc. There are 10ish girls there, some even half naked.

I don't believe Ginza sees this as a revenue steam to make money. They would much prefer you are a genuine customer and want a genuine punt. They just need to control time waster and keep girls happy so we all happy.

I don't think anyone goes to these places to waste time - at least not the majority. In my case, I had to drive and find parking which took close to 40 mins, door to door. If the establishment can't be bothered to show the line up, then they've wasted my time and I take offence to that. This isn't common practice so 479 should publish this policy to avoid surprising their customers and leaving them bemused, like I was.

As to genuine customer or not, I wouldn't have mind if they asked me to pay first (to show that I do have the funds) and refund if I don't go ahead with the transaction. But locking me in before seeing what's on offer is absolutely a no deal for me.

[Mayday]

This could all have been avoided by some logistical changes.
If the girls hang-out room was next to the line-up area, it would be all too easy.
Contrary to that, girls at 479 have to walk up a flight of staircase on high heels and then walk the line-up.
Not easy task to do if you have to do it 50 times a day.

Another idea is a little over the top. They could do something different:

Install a big-ass TV and play either pre-recorded intros of girls or have/cut to the live feed to the girl's room where they do the line-up there.

Let's face it, owning a brothel doesn't give one a license to print money. They still need to run the business and overcome logistical challenges. Maybe they should hire you as a consultant ;-)

[Climax598]

Maybe report to trade practice. Ask them to iinvestigate. It will be interesting if the investigator is woman. Or boycott then how do we get our dick suck so is hard. This topic keep On Coming up. Business must be good with not much competition

[23_]

Thanks for the insight OP.

It is definitely an eye opener that a prestigous establishment like 479 puts this into practice. I suspect they implement this scheme to reduce the number of time wasters/trolls. Personally, i frequent their primary establishment at 310 and always pre-book - never had any issues. The staff over there have always treated me very well.

[F0x]

I dont believe any industry has a policy where you pay before being able to look at what you will buy.

They may have guards outside who only let a certain number of people in to more prestigious shops, or if you look like a bum they wont let you in at all, but a fee before you can even look?

Unheard of.

I dont condone this practice at all, EVEN IF I do understand trying to control timewasters.

But realistically speaking, how is it "wasting time" to look at a lineup but honestly decide that no girl there is really your type? They might have the more average looking ladies on rotation and you might just not be into it. To get smacked for 20 just because nothing suits your personal taste is really an insult.

Besides, whos time is really being wasted? Are the girls solving quantum physics to allow space hyperflight in the back there, and getting interrupted to come out is such a hindrance that the annoyance gets transacted to the punters?

I dont get it. I also didnt get the logic that if he showed MORE girls its free. If he showed you less and you didnt pick its gonna cost you.

Huh?

Honestly the only time i have seen anything which was looking like time wasting was early punting days, I was at Kyoto 206 (i think), and a bunch of indian guys kept coming in, requesting a lineup, then leaving, then coming back and asking for a lineup again. In the end the papasan just didnt let them in. Now THAT I can see as time wasting. I swear they came in to get a mental picture then had a self spank somewhere and came back for more material.

I have always wanted to try Ginzas shops, because they seem highly reviewed, but this is putting a a few holes in my perception of them.

[des888]

A Touch Of Class does the same thing they charge $50

[iphone]

I dont believe any industry has a policy where you pay before being able to look at what you will buy.

They may have guards outside who only let a certain number of people in to more prestigious shops, or if you look like a bum they wont let you in at all, but a fee before you can even look?

Unheard of.

I dont condone this practice at all, EVEN IF I do understand trying to control timewasters.

But realistically speaking, how is it "wasting time" to look at a lineup but honestly decide that no girl there is really your type? They might have the more average looking ladies on rotation and you might just not be into it. To get smacked for 20 just because nothing suits your personal taste is really an insult.

Besides, whos time is really being wasted? Are the girls solving quantum physics to allow space hyperflight in the back there, and getting interrupted to come out is such a hindrance that the annoyance gets transacted to the punters?

I dont get it. I also didnt get the logic that if he showed MORE girls its free. If he showed you less and you didnt pick its gonna cost you.

Huh?

Honestly the only time i have seen anything which was looking like time wasting was early punting days, I was at Kyoto 206 (i think), and a bunch of indian guys kept coming in, requesting a lineup, then leaving, then coming back and asking for a lineup again. In the end the papasan just didnt let them in. Now THAT I can see as time wasting. I swear they came in to get a mental picture then had a self spank somewhere and came back for more material.

I have always wanted to try Ginzas shops, because they seem highly reviewed, but this is putting a a few holes in my perception of them.

completely agree. and when the shop say "because i have showed you 20 very popular girls" popular or not that means nothing. we have the right to have different taste from others. also maybe the yes there are very attractive girls on the lineup but she doesnt smile (probably because the customers are not her type and she has enough booking that day) then what? should we still take that girl? of course no. it is our money not the papasan money.
also remember we are dealing with human which are unique not just some stuffs. if a shop selling iphones, and customer come to ask can i see all the iphones and then walk away says i dont like them, yes they are time waster (because iphone is the same everywhere in the world). get my point?

plus, if the customer wears bikies jacket full tattoo 195cm height 100kg weight, i dont think they will enforce that pay policy lol....

[Pussyhands]

There are few places I been with pay upfront

Golden apple - now I think a touch more class
Le petite aroma - 10 buks viewing line up
I am sure there is more.....

I think punting is not 100%

I am not sure about charging, I always thought it was to deter the indecisive ones.... not so much others

[yowser]

in some other countries around the world, there isn't even a lineup! you only get to see photos, lineup doesn't even exist!
Sydney people are considered lucky

[Kevsbrah]

When did they start doing this? I've always paid after the line up.

[Mayday]

I dont believe any industry has a policy where you pay before being able to look at what you will buy.

They may have guards outside who only let a certain number of people in to more prestigious shops, or if you look like a bum they wont let you in at all, but a fee before you can even look?

Unheard of.

I dont condone this practice at all, EVEN IF I do understand trying to control timewasters.

But realistically speaking, how is it "wasting time" to look at a lineup but honestly decide that no girl there is really your type? They might have the more average looking ladies on rotation and you might just not be into it. To get smacked for 20 just because nothing suits your personal taste is really an insult.

Besides, whos time is really being wasted? Are the girls solving quantum physics to allow space hyperflight in the back there, and getting interrupted to come out is such a hindrance that the annoyance gets transacted to the punters?

I dont get it. I also didnt get the logic that if he showed MORE girls its free. If he showed you less and you didnt pick its gonna cost you.

Huh?

Honestly the only time i have seen anything which was looking like time wasting was early punting days, I was at Kyoto 206 (i think), and a bunch of indian guys kept coming in, requesting a lineup, then leaving, then coming back and asking for a lineup again. In the end the papasan just didnt let them in. Now THAT I can see as time wasting. I swear they came in to get a mental picture then had a self spank somewhere and came back for more material.

I have always wanted to try Ginzas shops, because they seem highly reviewed, but this is putting a a few holes in my perception of them.

The logic is if he showed more than 10 then I don't get a refund, ie. I'm forced to choose someone or I lose everything. Less than 10, I'm charged 20.

The way I see it...If you really believe your goods are of quality then you don't need to lock people in.

[Mayday]

in some other countries around the world, there isn't even a lineup! you only get to see photos, lineup doesn't even exist!
Sydney people are considered lucky

LOL...I think you're talking about those countries where prostitution is illegal. I don't think it's about being lucky or not. It's about what's common practice and acceptance of such practice. I may understand people accepting this if they go regularly and know roughly what they're getting. But for people like myself who haven't been in a long time, and whose previous experiences have been hit and miss, I don't see the logic in taking the chance when there're a least another 5 places nearby.

[holi_day]

Many of us don't get the logic. I do supply chain management for work. A reputable supplier may decline our audit request or some of the purchase orders. It could be because our volume, product requirements, ordering pattern etc do not fit their target customer profile. So they decided to focus on the customer portfolio they can service the best. That's how a business maintain their competitive advantage.
Ginza has probably seen enough people in and out. By the moment when they mention the charge to new customer or suspected time waster, they are ready that you will talk away. Instead of getting all the girls out, they better leave them along and and show line up to someone with trust mutually. It's a business decision. I don't see any thing wrong.

Other point I want to mention is, many of us compare girls with products like clothes, phones. We remember we are human but forget the girls are. I know a few WLs only do booking and often times stay in the rest room even when they have free time.

Perhaps for those of us walked away if they can report back where they finally ended up to and their better lineup experience, we may have more constructive conversation.

[negi]

i trust Wilson, i dont trust the staffs,sometimes i will give feedback to him as i know him and been Ginza loyal customer for 7 years

[Mr Bastard]

When written down and debated the OP's original complaint grows and becomes exaggerated and twisted by others opinions, just like mine I am about to put in print! I have been here three times and been asked to pay up front on all of those three occasions, two of those occasions there were more than 7 girls and more than two out of those were to my liking, on the third occasion which happened to be the first visit I or Pink were lucky, as she was the only one in the line up of six that I would have parted money with to enjoy her company.

I would not like to entertain the thought of how I would haver behaved if Pink was not in. the line up and I requested my money back due to not being turned on by any of the other girls presented and then been told that they would keep $50 of my money for a perceived inconvenience, do you think that THE EMPIRE would make note of all these $50 collections during the day and then divide and distribute the funds evenly amongst the girls at the end of the day? For they are the only ones that could rightly or wrongly feel that they have had their time wasted.

I doubt it.

Wow, I started out replying to this thread in a way to defend the shop as the OP has less than 10 posts and just feels like giving 5Star a wrap whilst bagging 278.............

Go Figure

Keeping The Bastards Honest

[hc2030]

Could be new policy, guess some people just go and see the lineup and don't pick anyone. I am a frequent punter, even though going Ginza more than 479. I actually do not mind paying first if I am planning to punt on that day. I was asked to pay first too if I haven't made a booking, even though I always thought I can actually see the lineup before I pay.

There was once at 479 a while ago, the customer couldn't pick anyone in the lineup and he asked for specific girl there who wasn't in the lineup. Unfortunately she was booked so she may be available after 45min or an hour. He tried to wait but he decided not to wait anymore after 5 mins and said to go to Ginza and find another girl. Pretty sure he hasn't paid yet. There were like 10 girls in that lineup.

And I have seen in 278 a few times that people see the lineup first before pay, even though I always pay first as they request me to do so. I don't have a problem with that but I do agree with you that shouldn't get charged of seeing lineup, like what if you don't find anyone you like in the lineup.

Difference between Ginza and 479 is that 479 has lineup but Ginza doesn't (rarely have one, but I have seen). Always have to pay first in Ginza as there is no lineup. Should make the difference between 2 shops or else this policy makes both shops the same.

[boater]

I don't see any thing wrong.

I see it as transferring the risk to the customer, which suggests they don't actually have confidence in their lineup.
Going to 478 I always prebook, so have not experienced this.

That said I do get asked quite often what is the best Brothel where you can get a lineup in Sydney and up till now I have been able to quite confidently say "Ginza Empire", but this new information (if true) means I can't recommend them anymore.

So is it the case that you are charged before a lineup? Or does it just happen sometimes?
There is no mention of it on their website.

[holi_day]

I see it as transferring the risk to the customer, which suggests they don't actually have confidence in their lineup.
Going to 478 I always prebook, so have not experienced this.

That said I do get asked quite often what is the best Brothel where you can get a lineup in Sydney and up till now I have been able to quite confidently say "Ginza Empire", but this new information (if true) means I can't recommend them anymore.

So is it the case that you are charged before a lineup? Or does it just happen sometimes?
There is no mention of it on their website.

I still don't see it's"wrong". Again, it's a business decision by transferring the risk of efficiency lost to customer to maintain their focus on customer that trust them. When the girls come out, they have to put down their phones, takeoff robes, put the high heels on, tidy up their hairs a bit etc. Remember many girls do over 12 hour shift. It can be exhausting.

I personally never got charged before line up. I only see lineup about one out of 4 visits. Other times I book either a regular or a recommendation from the forum. They always let me pay after lineup.and so far, I haven't walked away a single time. In fact, there are more gorgeous girls than I can catch up with.

There was only once the reception asked me how long I want to stay, I said half an hour, it was late and I have work next day didn't want to stay long. There was no other punters there only me at the time. The reception hesitated and asked me which type of girl I want. Instantly I can sense he didn't want to pull a line up just for me. Which is fine. Then I described to him what I typically like. He recommended a girl which I went for. It was a very good punt absolutely no regrets. In fact, this girl became my regular for a while.

[hornedone]

It's a Time Waster Tax (T.W.T.). Like it or lump it.

[F0x]

When the girls come out, they have to put down their phones, takeoff robes, put the high heels on, tidy up their hairs a bit etc. Remember many girls do over 12 hour shift. It can be exhausting.


🤣😂🤣

Yep, thats definitely worth a T.W.T.

I should start to do T.W.T every time my colleagues call a meeting.

I mean come on, I had to:

*Put my phone down (a big hassle when ive almost cleared level 69)
*Put my work shoes on again
*Fix my hair up (just in case)

/jokes

Anyway, this should probably be in general, its not an AR

[boater]

I still don't see it's"wrong".

I didn't say it was "wrong".

It is just a business model that doesn't work for me and which I could not recommend to others to participate in (at least without warning them about it).

... and its not really about risk per se. In the hundreds of lineups I have participated in over the years, I would not have walked away more than 2 or 3 times. But for me the option to walk away is important.

Trust cuts both ways.

Still no confirmation from management that this is policy, nor any word of it on their website.

[F0x]

In the hundreds of lineups I have participated in over the years, I would not have walked away more than 2 or 3 times. But for me the option to walk away is important.

Trust cuts both ways..

I second this. I wont have been in as many as the veteran Boater, but i think ive walked from a lineup or girl rotation intro only once that i can actually recall because of not wanting to pick anyone.

I distinctly remember it was at Christina 27 at Villa, its actually the first and last time i went there, earlier punting days.

I went in, papasan greeted me and directed me to sit down in a room. Then, i was literally accosted by Jabba the Hutt. No disrespect to Women, but this lady was both humungous and unpleasant to look at. She sidled up next to me and crooned about what she would do to me, i just literally got up and said no im going. She practically chased me out saying just talk, just talk, but i wasnt having it.

The only times ive walked is when someone ive wanted wouldnt be available, or no one is available and i would have to wait more than half an hour, both reason i think are perfectly reasonable to move on.

[boater]

Thankfully Central is just down the road, and from there it less than 10 minutes on the train to Sydenham, and less than a 10 minute walk to ladies of similar quality at #5 Marrickville where there is definitely no fee to see the lineup.

So for those who are uncomfortable, as I am, there is an easy alternative.

Ginza Empire is of course perfectly within their rights to run their business how they please.
I just would recommend to those who approach me to ask, that they go elsewhere if this is actually Ginza Empire policy.

[Mayday]

Hey OP, you disclosing the full story? or just the part you want to tell ?

Now i'm not in anyway affiliated with these guys, with the only post i've ever made in complaints with them lol, but I've been going to 479/278 for as long as its opened and has never been asked to pay before seeing.
This is still the case today

If you are a genuine customer, they wouldn't ask you to pay before you see. they'd want your business.
its common sense and courtesy
I bet you did something your not disclosing to let to them thinking your just wasting their time.
and if you have, then mate - don't you think you deserve it ?

Like you, I've never experienced this either having been to 278 for a few years, so can understand that you're skeptical about what took place. But what I wrote was exactly what happened - in and out in around 3 mins.

Another punter said he witnessed it happening to another person so I'm not unique.

[Mayday]

Many of us don't get the logic. I do supply chain management for work. A reputable supplier may decline our audit request or some of the purchase orders. It could be because our volume, product requirements, ordering pattern etc do not fit their target customer profile. So they decided to focus on the customer portfolio they can service the best. That's how a business maintain their competitive advantage.
Ginza has probably seen enough people in and out. By the moment when they mention the charge to new customer or suspected time waster, they are ready that you will talk away. Instead of getting all the girls out, they better leave them along and and show line up to someone with trust mutually. It's a business decision. I don't see any thing wrong.

Other point I want to mention is, many of us compare girls with products like clothes, phones. We remember we are human but forget the girls are. I know a few WLs only do booking and often times stay in the rest room even when they have free time.

Perhaps for those of us walked away if they can report back where they finally ended up to and their better lineup experience, we may have more constructive conversation.

This is not a real comparison when you think about it. A company declining to sell you a product is very different to asking you to pay before you see the product. And if it's a business decision then that's ok as well, but disclosure is important.

[Mayday]

It's a Time Waster Tax (T.W.T.). Like it or lump it.

Call it what you will. Just disclose it so people who disagree don't waste their time.

[kenjiurbanz]

Like you, I've never experienced this either having been to 278 for a few years, so can understand that you're skeptical about what took place. But what I wrote was exactly what happened - in and out in around 3 mins.

Another punter said he witnessed it happening to another person so I'm not unique.

if everything you said is true, you would of least have some rapport with them and this scenario should of never manisfested.
perhaps it could be new staff ? i've had issue with their new staff before, but they sorted it out.

i strongly believe they do the right thing. perhaps this was just a misunderstanding.

[iphone]

another point, what kind of business can score 100% success rate ? anyone here has a shop or business? ever has customer come in ask question bla bla bla and then go? what do you think of them? time waster? angry? try to charge some $? call bikies to beat them outside your shop? no. its just how the business is. because we are dealing with human. its risk of running business. unless you put a big sign on the door, then dont pick some customers and make them pay because you think they are time waster (unless they come like everyday asking line up and always say no).

i dont understand how some punters here support the shop. gee..... wait till you one day go to another new shop and they give you the same treatment, they i bet you will come here and complain the same... its our money. 5,10,20 popular girls on the line up means nothing if i dont like all of them.

not saying 278, but MAYBE some shops think the girls are just some commodities, so if there are 15 girls available, you must like at least one of them because they are just the same, right bro? they are just girl. just pick one, pay and get on...... next customer!
well, not for me. i respect the girls and think they are as individual who work harder than me.

[iphone]

I literally laughed in my coffee... oh the poor darlings ��

me too. Does it seem like we are disturbing them by coming to the shop ???? so when i come one day it is possible the papasan will say sorry all girls are playing games and checking facebook on their mobile now, we cant disturb them. come back later bro...

.... actually some girls are really looking forward to go for line up, because they need MONEY and get picked by customers. like nicole for example. with all so so review here how can she get customers if not through lining up?
.....but some girls yes they don't want to go out unless only 5 girls are free because they have enough booking (example, emma from 278 told me this) im not sure, maybe she just afraid to meet a friend of friend for example. Vietnamese community is not so big in sydney.

[Climax598]

All this asking for money in advance is not good for the girls. The girls coming for line up only hope to be pick especially the less popular one.
As for the shop the girls is only a products to them.

[kenjiurbanz]

i dont understand how some punters here support the shop. gee..... wait till you one day go to another new shop and they give you the same treatment, they i bet you will come here and complain the same... its our money. 5,10,20 popular girls on the line up means nothing if i dont like all of them.


because them and ginza do a better job in this then any other shop around

what i dont understand is how you guys are complaining about a pay before you see policy.
you have the ability to see without ever paying. its called website http://www.278club.com.au/Roster
its got pictures and a roster and kept upto date daily.

[boater]

what i dont understand is how you guys are complaining about a pay before you see policy.
you have the ability to see without ever paying. its called website http://www.278club.com.au/Roster
its got pictures and a roster and kept upto date daily.

I routinely book ahead, having done my research here and run to book the lady I would like to see.

The only time I have done lineups is when the girl I have booked has not shown up or I am stopping by on a whim.
So by definition I don't know who is available.

If I know a shop will want me to commit to seeing a girl before I know who is available (via a lineup) I would prefer to go somewhere that doesn't want such a commitment.

I also know people who (surprise surprise) a different to me - and different to you too Kenjiurbanz - who prefer a lineup to researching and booking in advance.

Up till now when such people have approached me with questions like "Who has the best lineup in Sydney" my "go to" reply has been "Ginza Empire".
Should this "pay before you see" approach turn out to be policy at Ginza Empire (or even policy for folks they don't know - which would have to include anyone I sent there), then I can't continue really recommend them for a lineup.

[Mayday]

Just found a recent thread with similar complaints where Ginza management apologized but whatever improvements they made didn't last long, or improved at all.
http://www.aus99forum.com/showthread.php?91967-Poor-customer-management/page2

Not sure if the guy dubbed the "Little Hitler" is the same person that I met. Only difference is I was there around 8.30pm on a Friday.

[Mayday]

what i dont understand is how you guys are complaining about a pay before you see policy.
you have the ability to see without ever paying. its called website http://www.278club.com.au/Roster
its got pictures and a roster and kept upto date daily.

Have you thought that perhaps some of us prefer to see in person what we're getting for our money, as oppose to looking at pics on the website? I've been to countless places and the girls look nothing like their pics. Or pics have face hidden and you realise when you get there that she's closer to mid 30 than mid 20.

So when they can guarantee pics aren't photoshop and taken recently (not 5 years ago), then we may part with our money based on trust. Until then, we still want to see before we buy.

[Mayday]

i dont understand how some punters here support the shop. gee..... wait till you one day go to another new shop and they give you the same treatment, they i bet you will come here and complain the same... its our money. 5,10,20 popular girls on the line up means nothing if i dont like all of them.

Fully agree. It's easy for those who often goes to a shop to say that they trust them, but they don't think about infrequent or new customers. Trust goes both ways - if shop don't trust that you're a genuine customer, then why should you trust them?

[F0x]

what i dont understand is how you guys are complaining about a pay before you see policy.
you have the ability to see without ever paying. its called website http://www.278club.com.au/Roster
its got pictures and a roster and kept upto date daily.

Kenji.....

Come on man. This isnt a phone or static inanimate object where what you see is 100% what you will get.

If im buying a phone, and I do my research and see multiple pics of say a google pixel, and I KNOW I have the right model, then I check the specs, do the comparisons with phones on the same tiering and make my choice. I know if I buy 1 or 100 of the same phone, I will (with maybe tiny variation in heat/speed or build quality) get the exact same experience every phone of the same model.

Are you exactly the same as 3 years ago? Are you balding now, or a wild mane, maybe you now have a six pack... or a 1 pack. Nothing stops you from putting up a shot of you on the net when you were in your prime and say its you. Because your not lying it IS you, but you just dont look like that anymore.

With the amount of filters and special effects on even smartphones now, its even more difficult to tell. And of course Women know all the tricks to glam themselves up.

Am I saying that Ginza/278 put fake pics up? Of course not. Its very likely to be them, they may just not look like that anymore. They wear a 1 piece to hide a bit of chubbiness. Or they have a hectic push up bra which gives them cleavage for days, but when it comes off, you get 2 lemons inside stockings look.

Ask people who have done privates to "go by the pics" only and see what kind of response you get 🤣

Happy Monday. 2 days till a puntski for me

[kenjiurbanz]

Have you thought that perhaps some of us prefer to see in person what we're getting for our money, as oppose to looking at pics on the website? I've been to countless places and the girls look nothing like their pics. Or pics have face hidden and you realise when you get there that she's closer to mid 30 than mid 20.

So when they can guarantee pics aren't photoshop and taken recently (not 5 years ago), then we may part with our money based on trust. Until then, we still want to see before we buy.

absolutely understand what you mean.
most other shops + internet are appauling. yes i know. they advertise ferraris and give you a broken prius. I had to start using the conceirge staff in my apartment to not let these pork chops up.

that being said - i would be here trashing that shop instead of defending. that kind of shop will never gain any loyal customer base or supporters that would want to defend em
278/ginza isnt perfect - but their good enough.

[hornedone]

If no likey, go to other place.

[Climax598]

Kenji.....

Come on man. This isnt a phone or static inanimate object where what you see is 100% what you will get.

If im buying a phone, and I do my research and see multiple pics of say a google pixel, and I KNOW I have the right model, then I check the specs, do the comparisons with phones on the same tiering and make my choice. I know if I buy 1 or 100 of the same phone, I will (with maybe tiny variation in heat/speed or build quality) get the exact same experience every phone of the same model.

Are you exactly the same as 3 years ago? Are you balding now, or a wild mane, maybe you now have a six pack... or a 1 pack. Nothing stops you from putting up a shot of you on the net when you were in your prime and say its you. Because your not lying it IS you, but you just dont look like that anymore.

With the amount of filters and special effects on even smartphones now, its even more difficult to tell. And of course Women know all the tricks to glam themselves up.

Am I saying that Ginza/278 put fake pics up? Of course not. Its very likely to be them, they may just not look like that anymore. They wear a 1 piece to hide a bit of chubbiness. Or they have a hectic push up bra which gives them cleavage for days, but when it comes off, you get 2 lemons inside stockings look.

Ask people who have done privates to "go by the pics" only and see what kind of response you get 🤣

Happy Monday. 2 days till a puntski for me
Wow!!! fireup. Ya we are buying a girl to have fun with. All girls are unique as individuals so the shop say all the same are wrong.

[nakmuay]

Another reason to never visit this shop again. What kind of bullshit policy is this?

Last time I went was a few months ago and they started charging 10% on Eftpos, when I asked the Papasam when did this happen? He rudely replied "You want or not?" Old mate needs a swift kick to the head.

[iphone]

Yeah I want to know it is really cost them 10% when people use card? If I have a shop I won't charge extra, it's actually providing a convenient for customers.

And about photos, all the girls looks so white definitely Photoshop's. Nah, just some girls we can rely on their photo ie Jin. Some are just way too different. Especially the body part....

[Climax598]

Yeah I want to know it is really cost them 10% when people use card? If I have a shop I won't charge extra, it's actually providing a convenient for customers.

And about photos, all the girls looks so white definitely Photoshop's. Nah, just some girls we can rely on their photo ie Jin. Some are just way too different. Especially the body part....
They have to report the GST which is 10% because in bank statement

[faruk]

lol what bullshit, as if anyone would pay before seeing

this shop deserves a boycott to get the message