C-Cartier an actual review

[toysrus]

Since a lot of people are asking about this girl I'll fill you in quickly before I go to work, I don't have much time to write this. She is a good girl but I feel the ad totally overhypes her in the looks and age department combined with her being hard to book.

The bad:
Doesn't look like the ad in any way, it's not her. She isn't that slim as the ad photos shows but she isn't fat either, she is size 6 without a firm+toned body. Her boobs isn't big like the ad shows, I would say a small B, not the best boob shape either but not a deal breaker. She isn't 20, she looks more like late 20s. By Ginza age standards I would put her ad at 22-23 to be consistent with their usual age standards. Not sure why they running with this bs ad then get angry when we don't blindly book and ask to see lineups instead.

The good:
So having said all that negative comments, I actually thought she was pretty good. Had I seen her in the lineup and not going into the booking with expectations from seeing the ad I would have felt it was a decent booking. Her best feature is her face, she is pretty. While her body is above average her pussy felt great while having sex, she is small. She gives an amazing bbbj, actually rate her bbbj quite highly she has great skills in this area. I didn't ask for other services like dd.

She has a nice and friendly personality, the only area I would fault her is her smokers breath. This is the main reason why I wouldn't book again.

[23_]

Thanks for shedding some light on this lady.

It is disappointing to hear that the photos displayed are not hers. She actually looks quite decent. Smokers breath.. likewise, a huge turn off me. Haha. Good to know she provides good service though.

[xboyx]

thanks for the review, much appreciated. good insights for other punters.

[BigDipper]

Good man. Nice honest review.

I suspected some embellishment with the pics when no reviews were coming out after a few days.

[iphone]

Hmm yeah need to be very very very careful when blind booking. I got stung twice (both Chinese girls). One is C baby and the other one roster says Korea X chinese maybe Yumi can't remember.

It's just when they enter the room i was shocked this is not the same girl!
Yumi was still kind of alright. just way toooooo much photoshops on the pictures but overal she is a ginza quality range (in the middle not top, at least for me, mostly because of her face/age/body)

but baby (not barbie) was bad bad bad...after left at home I thought did I just had sex at Ginza Or some cheap $150/hr shop? strong smoke smell. older, skin looks rough ... few days later i found her exact photo at other brothel website in the west area.. so maybe she heard 278 is busy and migrate..... im sure she is the number one girl at that shop, but ginza is just the wrong place for her. she will bring the shop quality/review/rating down.....

[holi_day]

I know how popular the Beauty cam these days and anyone can photoshop their photos to a complete different person.

If someone invent an app that reverses these photos, this app will be also popular.

[toysrus]

The problem is when shops say the girl provided the photo as an excuse. This excuse might be plausible for the girl's first shift but if the shop operator had any integrity they wouldn't allow this kind of false advertising.

[bigfatkilo]

Not directed at toysrus specifically, but all you guys who expect exact photos are kidding yourselves. It's a fucking brothel. Get over it. Accept that the photos are representations, mostly are actually of the girl but are to varying degrees, altered or enhanced or taken 10 years ago.

Yeah yeah, you'll argue they should by law provide accurate photos, it's false advertising blah blah and that you're a customer and have rights blah blah blah.. like I said, you're kidding yourselves and I think down right selfish/ self entitlement. If nothing else, put yourself in the girls position... as if you'd want exact, recent or otherwise photos of you. Privacy and all that. I reckon your linkedin photos, tinder etc etc may have been enhanced or whatever. Certainly, they'll be the better ones of you. But herein lies the difference, privacy. Most of these women have relatives, families, friends and some of those said people, visit brothels too and thus, there is some chance they will come across a picture they recognize.

So don't go quoting integrity. It's a brothel. The industry isn't about to win noble prize for peace. So stop expecting integrity.

In short, sure relatively accurate pics are nice, but fuck hey, take it for what it is. It's punting, it's a brothel and the girls' privacy counts here.

Stop complaining they aren't accurate photos and fucking pay up to go see the girl and then write a review as you see fit.


The problem is when shops say the girl provided the photo as an excuse. This excuse might be plausible for the girl's first shift but if the shop operator had any integrity they wouldn't allow this kind of false advertising.

[holi_day]

I stopped relying on photos long ago. Interestingly, and equally I have seen girls look much better than in their photos. I can give a couple of examples at 497 and other places who I wouldn't have thought booking by looking at their photos but ended up picking from lineup and had great experience.

[toysrus]

Not directed at toysrus specifically, but all you guys who expect exact photos are kidding yourselves. It's a fucking brothel. Get over it. Accept that the photos are representations, mostly are actually of the girl but are to varying degrees, altered or enhanced or taken 10 years ago.

Yeah yeah, you'll argue they should by law provide accurate photos, it's false advertising blah blah and that you're a customer and have rights blah blah blah.. like I said, you're kidding yourselves and I think down right selfish/ self entitlement. If nothing else, put yourself in the girls position... as if you'd want exact, recent or otherwise photos of you. Privacy and all that. I reckon your linkedin photos, tinder etc etc may have been enhanced or whatever. Certainly, they'll be the better ones of you. But herein lies the difference, privacy. Most of these women have relatives, families, friends and some of those said people, visit brothels too and thus, there is some chance they will come across a picture they recognize.

So don't go quoting integrity. It's a brothel. The industry isn't about to win noble prize for peace. So stop expecting integrity.

In short, sure relatively accurate pics are nice, but fuck hey, take it for what it is. It's punting, it's a brothel and the girls' privacy counts here.

Stop complaining they aren't accurate photos and fucking pay up to go see the girl and then write a review as you see fit.

You make some valid points if the photo were actually of the same person, or at the very least a representation of the girl (give or take a decade). Except it wasn't, it couldn't be more different, we not talking about filters and photoshop tweaks/enhancements, we are not expecting exact photos as you have suggested. It's like going into KFC seeing the beautifully presented zinger burger on the poster, and you know you not going to get that but something along those lines of a zinger burger, then you served a big mac. There are limits to how much you can misrepresent something. I'm not a complete noob at this, I know photos can't be trusted which is why at least the description should be vaguely correct, but that was also complete opposite, all the stats were wrong. Why bother with a photo or description, may as well put a blank image and the price.

Whenever the topic of photo accuracy comes up, old dudes like you get on your high horse with this blanket response sprouting nonsense punting wisdom without even seeing the evidence. The reality is if there is nothing accurate about the ad, and the girl is not available in the lineup to check. Then someone has to go take one for the team which is what I have done.

[yug]

It's punting, it's a brothel and the girls' privacy counts here...


What he said!
Some girls prefer privacy.
Those that don't have actually handed good images of themselves.
Example: Lulu, Jin, K Julia, Nana, Mocha...
Some of them posts new photos quite often.
I guess some would wanna hide their faces but some would wanna tease and invite you to choose her even with slightly or entirely doctored images.

Plus when girls give the shop pictures, what should they do?...Tell them to strip naked and show their true body shape? Or should there be Female Body Inspector (FBI) assigned to assess their body shape? Or May be Ginza should have Naked Cunt Inspecting Section (NCIS) ?
Furthermore, everyone has their own personal tastes on body; how does an FBI decide which body you will like?

I believe some of the girls who are NOT real eye candies are hired on their promise and rigour to give good service. For many, that more than makes up for not being true to her photos.

I can see one thing the shop owners can do here:
Assign percentage rating to their photos on how closely it matches to her in reality (with disclaimer saying: THIS IS JUST MY OPINION; There is NO ROCKET SCIENCE here)

[Brothelcreeper]

Best thing to do is show real photo of body and obscure the face then at least you know what you are getting

And realistic description ie don’t say B cup girl is D cup. 28 year old girl is 19.

Anyway, not really worth commenting as nothing will change.

[toysrus]

What he said!
Some girls prefer privacy.


If privacy is a concern, you can put a placeholder image and say no image available for this girl rather than post a completely inaccurate pic passing it off as the girl.



Plus when girls give the shop pictures, what should they do?...Tell them to strip naked and show their true body shape? Or should there be Female Body Inspector (FBI) assigned to assess their body shape?

LOL brothel operators see girls all day long, you think they need to strip a girl to guess their measurements with relatively good accuracy in the skimpy outfits they already wearing? I can look at any fully clothed girl in the street and tell you her measurements.

Lets not be naive here, its purely to get numbers through the door. Too many Ginza fanbois :P

[solopuntsydney]

If privacy is a concern, you can put a placeholder image and say no image available for this girl rather than post a completely inaccurate pic passing it off as

With a complete blank portrait, people are less likely to book the girl among many other stunning portraits. It’s like a real estate advertisement without any photo of the property.

That said, using completely inaccurate pictures is not an acceptable practice...

[yug]

If privacy is a concern, you can put a placeholder image and say no image available for this girl rather than post a completely inaccurate pic passing it off as the girl.

Like I said, some girls like to look good and enticing to the customer.
It happens everywhere. It's about marketing yourself. All the companies do that.
If you want to get to the source of this trend and kill it, you gotta go to the root of the all evils: image filters and Instagram



LOL brothel operators see girls all day long, you think they need to strip a girl to guess their measurements


I have gone through situations where I didn't know a girl had a belly fat until their clothes came off.
May be you are a wizard with guessing girl's measurement. Not everyone is.



Lets not be naive here, its purely to get numbers through the door. Too many Ginza fanbois :P

Ginza fanbois?...
yeah, I am a fanboy of a brothel...Of all the things in the world, I am fanboy of a brothel.
Give me a break!...I am selfish like rest of you bunch...I go where my money counts, girls give me good service and booking is easy....Which at the moment happens to be Ginza.

And I rather be naive than think this is a serious issue and build my anger over it.

[quackm2002]

I don’t know what the problem is with some of you. Why are you attacking the OP for calling out that her photos are completely unreliable? Trying to defend or justify why it is ok for a shop to use fake photos certainly gives everyone else the impression you’re a cocksucking fanboi trying to ingratiate yourself with the shop.

All I can say is thanks for seeing Cartier and calling out how she looks. I appreciate the info. That’s what the forum is for - sharing punting data.

While a girl will undoubtedly want to look her best, there is a line between photoshopped and just completely ridiculous. There are girls who have used realistic and reliable photos and no surprise they have been some of the most successful girls at the shop. Mia, Alin, Miki, Crystal, Barbie, Rebecca (278) are just some who have.

[xboyx]

OK maybe Cartier is not as good looking as photos but she provide good services, has good skills and OP had a good session. We can forgive the minor defects when the girl tries hard to please you. OP did a good job giving his honest feedback.

Overall ginza and 479 are still the best place to go to at the moment and let's appreciate them.

We (myself included) have some average punts every now and then at ginza/479 but overall I'd say 90% of my punts ended happily if I book blindly and there's no AR on the girl, which is more than good.

At other brothels, if I don't read AR, ask around for opinion, I'd get only 10-20% good punts.

Yeah s I've become ginza fan boy.

[GoldfishMan]

Looking at Cartier's photos on the website, I can't even tell if those photos are showing the same girl. I mean, girl in tshirt doesn't even look like girl in costume, etc. How can they be photos of the real person if they don't even line up to each other?

[iphone]

OK maybe Cartier is not as good looking as photos but she provide good services, has good skills and OP had a good session. We can forgive the minor defects when the girl tries hard to please you. OP did a good job giving his honest feedback.
Overall ginza and 479 are still the best place to go to at the moment and let's appreciate them.
We (myself included) have some average punts every now and then at ginza/479 but overall I'd say 90% of my punts ended happily if I book blindly and there's no AR on the girl, which is more than good.
At other brothels, if I don't read AR, ask around for opinion, I'd get only 10-20% good punts.
Yeah s I've become ginza fan boy.

agree on 278 is good, ive been to other places where the girls and the shop are just simply interested on your money. dont touch here dont do that thing. and some girls have shocking body once the dress went down.
but hey if 95% of your girls photos are real why they cant make it 100%? if the girl shows up on 1st day and give their photos, just use common sense and honesty, and tell the girl give us other more realistic photos otherwise we will get lots of complains when customer book you.. thats it.
remember as shop owner you need to maintain the quality/standard of your shop. once you let one slid, next time you think two is fine, next week ah just one more, next month dont care anymore upload any photos.

[toysrus]

agree on 278 is good, ive been to other places where the girls and the shop are just simply interested on your money. dont touch here dont do that thing. and some girls have shocking body once the dress went down.
but hey if 95% of your girls photos are real why they cant make it 100%? if the girl shows up on 1st day and give their photos, just use common sense and honesty, and tell the girl give us other more realistic photos otherwise we will get lots of complains when customer book you.. thats it.
remember as shop owner you need to maintain the quality/standard of your shop. once you let one slid, next time you think two is fine, next week ah just one more, next month dont care anymore upload any photos.

100% this.

I wasn't implying Ginza is a bad shop. Just asking for consistent realistic pics, otherwise I'll only book girls for repeat visits and always rely on lineups for first bookings.

It's shame this thread blew up in a negative light for Cartier, I think people should try her.

[negi]

totally disagree with you bitfatkilo. As a customer everybody in the right mind do not want to be misled, is our money and we want the best value for our hard earned cash. For someone bubbling about something otherwise, most likely you are not a customer, most likely different stakeholder with different agenda. Stop posting as if you a customer, feel fake to me


Not directed at toysrus specifically, but all you guys who expect exact photos are kidding yourselves. It's a fucking brothel. Get over it. Accept that the photos are representations, mostly are actually of the girl but are to varying degrees, altered or enhanced or taken 10 years ago.

Yeah yeah, you'll argue they should by law provide accurate photos, it's false advertising blah blah and that you're a customer and have rights blah blah blah.. like I said, you're kidding yourselves and I think down right selfish/ self entitlement. If nothing else, put yourself in the girls position... as if you'd want exact, recent or otherwise photos of you. Privacy and all that. I reckon your linkedin photos, tinder etc etc may have been enhanced or whatever. Certainly, they'll be the better ones of you. But herein lies the difference, privacy. Most of these women have relatives, families, friends and some of those said people, visit brothels too and thus, there is some chance they will come across a picture they recognize.

So don't go quoting integrity. It's a brothel. The industry isn't about to win noble prize for peace. So stop expecting integrity.

In short, sure relatively accurate pics are nice, but fuck hey, take it for what it is. It's punting, it's a brothel and the girls' privacy counts here.

Stop complaining they aren't accurate photos and fucking pay up to go see the girl and then write a review as you see fit.

[yug]

I don’t know what the problem is with some of you. Why are you attacking the OP for calling out that her photos are completely unreliable? Trying to defend or justify why it is ok for a shop to use fake photos certainly gives everyone else the impression you’re a cocksucking fanboi trying to ingratiate yourself with the shop.

All I can say is thanks for seeing Cartier and calling out how she looks. I appreciate the info. That’s what the forum is for - sharing punting data.

While a girl will undoubtedly want to look her best, there is a line between photoshopped and just completely ridiculous. There are girls who have used realistic and reliable photos and no surprise they have been some of the most successful girls at the shop. Mia, Alin, Miki, Crystal, Barbie, Rebecca (278) are just some who have.

I don't think I was attacking OP. Just was being a devil's advocate and try to rationalize things with a counter argument.
But I think the attacking is done by you. Calling people "cocksucking fanboi" and stuff.
Up until then, I think everybody was keeping it civil.

People often think putting counter argument is attacking. It is not.

[yug]

agree on 278 is good, ive been to other places where the girls and the shop are just simply interested on your money. dont touch here dont do that thing. and some girls have shocking body once the dress went down.
but hey if 95% of your girls photos are real why they cant make it 100%? if the girl shows up on 1st day and give their photos, just use common sense and honesty, and tell the girl give us other more realistic photos otherwise we will get lots of complains when customer book you.. thats it.
remember as shop owner you need to maintain the quality/standard of your shop. once you let one slid, next time you think two is fine, next week ah just one more, next month dont care anymore upload any photos.

I agree with this.
This will definitely help a little.

Like I posted earlier, I think the rating on how accurate the picture is will help too.
I have seen 5 Marrickvill do that in one of their posts.

Unlike other people, embellished photos are not my biggest concern.
The issue for me is going for diamond service and instead getting premium/standard service.

[toysrus]

I didn't feel attacked by anyone, its all good, I am interested in everyone's opinion on the matter.

[Hhhrjd]

I think Cartier photo crossed the line. It's unfair to customers. Like K Yuna, she's 8+ year older than the photos. I've come to the rule that for 479, only book after seeing line up or reading lots of good reviews. Walk out if see nothing you like. With Ginza, it's still quite reliable but this can change as time goes.

[iphone]

100% this.I wasn't implying Ginza is a bad shop. Just asking for consistent realistic pics, otherwise I'll only book girls for repeat visits and always rely on lineups for first bookings.
It's shame this thread blew up in a negative light for Cartier, I think people should try her.

same here. i like the shop so i hope they take this as constructive feedbacks.
what, try her? a girl with smokey smells? no thanks.

[boater]

Not directed at toysrus specifically, but all you guys who expect exact photos are kidding yourselves.

"Exact photos" Bigfat?

The review was "Doesn't look like the ad in any way, it's not her." hardly complaining about photos not being "exact". See toys reply above.

Ginza / 478 do have a business to run, and the one they have decided to run is to charge a premium price for a premium experience - and that premium experience includes being able to put a level of trust in their advertising, inc the photos provided.

They can of course choose to change that approach and go with the standard brothel approach of just blatantly lying to their customers - and that will work for a while as they trade on their reputation - but eventually they will trash it and lose their clients to places that treat their customers with more respect like 42 or No 5 or 244.

The reason bigfat that folks expect more from Ginza / 478 than a standard brothel is because Ginza / 478 has provided more than a standard brothel and have captured a big part of the market by doing so.

It is of course up to them if they want to maintain that standard, or just become "just another brothel" like you describe them as. If they do there are plenty of other places that would be delighted to step into the "premium" space Ginza / 478 have dominated for years now.

The pity is that, as toys has said, Cartier is good in the room and looks good too. It is disappointing that she has "over egged" the pitch and been called on it. It is also a pity that 478 let her do that to herself as it lets both Cartier and 478 down.
It's their business and they can run it how they like. At the same time it is the perfect right of any client to decide for themselves if this is a business they want to work with.

Thanks to toys for giving potential clients useful information to help them make that decision.

[quackm2002]

Does it make a difference if I remove the term “cocksucking”?

It is beyond incredulous that some of you are trying to rationalise or justify what is essentially fraudulent misrepresentation.

I’ll put it simply with an analogous scenario. For you and bigfat, if you ordered a new Mercedes A45 AMG and received a 10 year old second hand Volkswagen R32 on delivery, I assume that would be ok?



I don't think I was attacking OP. Just was being a devil's advocate and try to rationalize things with a counter argument.
But I think the attacking is done by you. Calling people "cocksucking fanboi" and stuff.
Up until then, I think everybody was keeping it civil.

People often think putting counter argument is attacking. It is not.

[boater]

If you ordered a new Mercedes A45 AMG and received a 10 year old second hand Volkswagen R32 on delivery, I assume that would be ok?

Well, if I was ordering it from a "standard" brothel, then, well, yes, sort of. At least I would not be surprised.
Which is why I tend to go to places like 42, No 5, Ginza, 478 and (considering) 244 - and pay the extra - because they are more reliable.

[xboyx]

thing is sometimes ginza/278 bring you fresh girls straight off her flight to the shop for punters to sample, I've seen the girl's luggage in the room, heave heard the girl got off flight, a quick break and straight to the shop, some ginza crew haven't got a chance to see the girl at all, they probably got details from agents or whoever it is, it takes them 1-2 days to adjust price and profile after getting feedback from punters
just my speculation anyway, I don't know for sure how ginza operate

[yug]

Does it make a difference if I remove the term “cocksucking”?

It is beyond incredulous that some of you are trying to rationalise or justify what is essentially fraudulent misrepresentation.

I’ll put it simply with an analogous scenario. For you and bigfat, if you ordered a new Mercedes A45 AMG and received a 10 year old second hand Volkswagen R32 on delivery, I assume that would be ok?

The thing with internet is it doesn't matter what you remove or not; once you said, you said it.

I have rationalized it because I can live with it and it's common practice (the whole makeup industry is there to hide flaws).
I never said it wasn't annoying when the photo is airbrushed.
But I don't have a beef against it like you and I know why girls do it.
Calling it a fraudulent misrepresentation. Know a crime and it's magnitude. This is not money laundering or credit card theft to be fraudulent.
It's a misrepresentation for sure but "gross" or not depends on you.

And you are comparing "humans" to an "Artificial Product". Mercedes Benz doesn't get overweight in a month nor does it get desperate to earn money to send back home even if it means tampering photos.

The simple solution is don't choose a girl going by their pictures. Just go there and see a line up.
Clearly, toyrus was taking massive punt by going there just based on girl's online picture and shop's reputation.
And he has every right to get mad. After all, he took the hit for all the other punters on this forum.
But it was a punt nonetheless. It had inherent risk attached to it.

Anyway, lets just move on.
If I knew this "inaccurate photo" topic would go on so long, I wouldn't have commented at all in the first place.

[toysrus]

Clearly, toyrus was taking massive punt by going there just based on girl's online picture and shop's reputation.


Actually I often put a lot more weight on the profile stats than pics, cause usually there are a few hints. For example, if you know height to weight ratios for a slim girl. If she is listed as size 7+ but her pic looks size 5-6 etc. But in this instance the description was also way off, I think I made it a big deal in this thread because by Ginza standards it was way off.



Clearly, toyrus was taking massive punt by going there just based on girl's online picture and shop's reputation.
And he has every right to get mad. After all, he took the hit for all the other punters on this forum.
But it was a punt nonetheless. It had inherent risk attached to it.


I'm not mad, it wasn't a bad punt. I just decided to call them out for the fake ad BS in order to keep them honest. If a shop gets too popular and they start thinking that this practice is acceptable, we need to keep them in line otherwise this stuff could become more prevalent.

I really hope people who read this thread don't take away from this that Cartier is a bad punt, she is quite good. I just had a gripe with fake ads.

[yug]

^^ Fair enough.
Thanks for the review!
Interested to try her for her BBBJ.
Smoker's breath does put me off a little.
Will give her a go if and when I get a chance. Still busy with my regulars and few other new girls like Helen from M5.
Did you manage to see C TT by any chance?

[toysrus]

Only subtle smokers breath, I saw K-Bella at Ginza 301 the next day and that was legit smokers breath! Why no one is reviewing her much given that she has been around for a while?

[yug]

Haven't seen K Bella either.
But she is surely on my list. Meaning to see her for quite a while.

[toysrus]

Haven't seen K Bella either.
But she is surely on my list. Meaning to see her for quite a while.

I'll write a review.

[yug]

I'll write a review.

Thanks toyrus. Appreciate it.

[bigfatkilo]

Whenever the topic of photo accuracy comes up, old dudes like you get on your high horse with this blanket response sprouting nonsense punting wisdom without even seeing the evidence. The reality is if there is nothing accurate about the ad, and the girl is not available in the lineup to check. Then someone has to go take one for the team which is what I have done.


And the thing about "sprouting nonsense without seeing the evidence" that made me laugh...
And good on you for putting up your review for sharing.

Cheers.

[Pleck]

I'm not an old dude- I am 36- and I'm of Asian origin. And the thing about "sprouting nonsense without seeing the evidence" that made me laugh...
And good on you for putting up your review for sharing.

Cheers.

Age is relative. For a 20 year old person someone of your age at 36 is old

[Kilmer92]

So, only found this forum after making a booking with Cartier, true the pics are misleading. Reasonable pretty face and good Bbbj but to me it did not meet the same expectations I had from seeing her profile.

Gotta check forum first from now on

[syd_azn_guy]

Need to start spaming them with messages about fake pics or false bookings to get their attention that fake pics are not acceptable. Let's start with fake bookings?

[toysrus]

Need to start spaming them with messages about fake pics or false bookings to get their attention that fake pics are not acceptable. Let's start with fake bookings?

No that's not a good idea. Just try other shops, Ginza isn't my go to shop anymore but I still go there if I'm out of options.

[Langdale]

This thread has me super intrigued now😀
Does anyone know if Cartier does CIM? DFK?
Thanks.