Coronavirus

[Bunty4]

Why should we praise China, they didn't do any thing when the Doctors told them about it apart from putting them in gaol. China let it get out to the world before they did anything.

Read this...is China telling us the full truth...
https://ufospotlight.wordpress.com/2020/02/13/chinese-intelligence-officer-reveals-true-magnitude-of-chinas-coronavirus-crisis/

[Bunty4]

Great source! Also from the same website.
https://ufospotlight.wordpress.com/2020/03/10/alien-abduction-telepathic-mind-control/

Haha...bummer....did see UFO in url.....hmmm sometimes good to read fiction I believe 🤪

[zucon]

Why not?
Because Aussies are immune?

No, we got more toilet papers

[God Member]

The international tourist market to Australia must have just been killed stone dead. I mean that literally. What tourist is going to pay for a holiday to Australia to sit in a hotel room by themselves for two weeks quarantine? The hotel room would have to have the world's finest mini bar, that would be their only hope to attract anyone! Maybe a wide screen tele, showing Australian highlights. We normally get millions of international tourists per year. And now - zero! I can't get my head around it.

[wilisno]

The international tourist market to Australia must have just been killed stone dead. I mean that literally. What tourist is going to pay for a holiday to Australia to sit in a hotel room by themselves for two weeks quarantine? The hotel room would have to have the world's finest mini bar, that would be their only hope to attract anyone! Maybe a wide screen tele, showing Australian highlights. We normally get millions of international tourists per year. And now - zero! I can't get my head around it.
To save the tourism industry, maybe they should call for tenders to set up brothels in the airport ? So tourists can stay in the airport happily for 2 weeks !

[Idurian]

Hopefully a quick two week lockdown, then reopen the doors to tourism in a month then business as usual we pray

[halfway]

The international tourist market to Australia must have just been killed stone dead. I mean that literally. What tourist is going to pay for a holiday to Australia to sit in a hotel room by themselves for two weeks quarantine? The hotel room would have to have the world's finest mini bar, that would be their only hope to attract anyone! Maybe a wide screen tele, showing Australian highlights. We normally get millions of international tourists per year. And now - zero! I can't get my head around it.

I would question why anyone in the world would be looking at going on a holiday to anywhere at the moment with this virus raging all around the world.

We are just going to follow Europe and will be in lock down very soon ( I hope ) the sooner the better as our hospital system will not cope. If it is done in the next week then many lives of the sick and elderly will be saved.

Sure people are going to suffer financially, but that's then the time for Govt to help out, It's a waste giving it now and sitting back waiting. If we wait we will have lot's of death, hospitals full and over loaded and then have to lock down. Get the lock down going now and let's hope we can slow it right down without the mass sickness and stress on the hospitals.

[Climax598]

Lock dock wouldn't be 2 weeks I would say 1 to 3 months Look at Wuhan is all most 2 months of lock down now. Italy have 2 weeks of lock down now still not much improvement same with S.korea.

[halfway]

Lock dock wouldn't be 2 weeks I would say 1 to 3 months Look at Wuhan is all most 2 months of lock down now. Italy have 2 weeks of lock down now still not much improvement same with S.korea.

Yes that's because they waited until the numbers got so high before the lockdown happened.

Should we follow them or try something else ?

[Climax598]

Yes that's because they waited until the numbers got so high before the lockdown happened.

Should we follow them or try something else ?
There is no other way. Only quarantine will do. Only Hope is a vaccine come out fast if not we just have to ride it out

[halfway]

There is no other way. Only quarantine will do. Only Hope is a vaccine come out fast if not we just have to ride it out

There are hopes a cure will be available soon, test's in Queensland are positive and a vaccine will be 12-18 mth away....

[AHLUNGOR]

Scott Morrison has spoken this morning and assured the country that there is No plan for any lock down. The PM also advised that if there is any lock down plan in the future, it will and can only come from him.

[AHLUNGOR]

Interesting in depth articles about HK Singapore and Taipei. They learned valuable lessons after SARS, and have been united and vigilant with this pandemic.

Tracking the Coronavirus: How Crowded Asian Cities Tackled an Epidemic

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/world/asia/coronavirus-singapore-hong-kong-taiwan.html?referringSource=articleShare


Wak


Thanks Wak,

Excellent article and food for thoughts for the rest of the world.

[BuryYourDead]

Scott Morrison has spoken this morning and assured the country that there is No plan for any lock down. The PM also advised that if there is any lock down plan in the future, it will and can only come from him.

Lol, you believe a man who talks to sky friends, doesn't believe in climate change, and ran away on holiday (then lied about it) during possibly our nations greatest disaster?

I have some magic beans you may be interested in, sir .....

[studsg]

This did not happenUSYD themselves have confirmed this
https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2020/03/15/confirmed-case-of-covid-19-at-sydney-university.html

[moz]

Wuhan locked down when there were 444 confirmed cases. We will have over 500 today.Except only about 50 spread locally.
Vast bulk of our cases flew in.

[aussiegaigin]

Population of Australia: ~25 million; Number of confirmed cases: <500; number of deaths: 6

Sure it is still early days, and the future is uncertain, but the figures so far are underwhelming. Most of the confirmed cases will recover.

By comparison
NSW road toll YTD: 68

[CarnalConquerer]

This kind of thinking is seriously flawed. To start with, testing is backwards looking. The "new' cases today caught the virus on average, 12 days ago. So 12 days ago we had 500 cases that we have now detected. It is doubling every 3 days. Get out your calculator. That means we have 8000 cases today that we will have managed to detect in 12 days. About 0.5% to 1% of those will die if we can treat them all. That's what 5 dead from 500 known cases is. If we are overwhelmed and can't treat them all it will be 5% or more. So between 40 and 400 of the people who have so far caught the virus already will die.

When we get 40 to 400 dead from 8000 known cases we will go into lock down. But by then there will be 128,000 cases that will be detected 12 days later.

By Monday we will have over 1000 cases detected. When Italy had 1000 cases detected, 10 days later they had 10,000 and their death rate was moving up over 5%. We will too. Every country had been like this with minor variations in the proportion of cases detected.

Some people just like to stick their heads in the sand...

[Climax598]

Some people just like to stick their heads in the sand...
You like to stick your head in the pussy 😛

[AHLUNGOR]

This kind of thinking is seriously flawed. To start with, testing is backwards looking. The "new' cases today caught the virus on average, 12 days ago. So 12 days ago we had 500 cases that we have now detected. It is doubling every 3 days. Get out your calculator. That means we have 8000 cases today that we will have managed to detect in 12 days. About 0.5% to 1% of those will die if we can treat them all. That's what 5 dead from 500 known cases is. If we are overwhelmed and can't treat them all it will be 5% or more. So between 40 and 400 of the people who have so far caught the virus already will die.

When we get 40 to 400 dead from 8000 known cases we will go into lock down. But by then there will be 128,000 cases that will be detected 12 days later.

By Monday we will have over 1000 cases detected. When Italy had 1000 cases detected, 10 days later they had 10,000 and their death rate was moving up over 5%. We will too. Every country had been like this with minor variations in the proportion of cases detected.

Sorry mate, but seriously I hope you are wrong on this, otherwise we will all be damned !!

Italy was a very bad case and I think there government handled it very poorly from the start, also, with the Italian cultures of kissing both cheeks on greeting, that's just asking for trouble, and with the European Union's basically non-existence border security, I sure hope that Australia being so far away and with no direct land access, will face a much lesser outbreak !! besides, when Italy started, the world knew a lot less of the virus and how it will spread back then, a few weeks is a lot more time for us to be prepared and to be alerted, hope we are in a far better position to deal with this.

God Bless Australia !!

[Climax598]

This kind of thinking is seriously flawed. To start with, testing is backwards looking. The "new' cases today caught the virus on average, 12 days ago. So 12 days ago we had 500 cases that we have now detected. It is doubling every 3 days. Get out your calculator. That means we have 8000 cases today that we will have managed to detect in 12 days. About 0.5% to 1% of those will die if we can treat them all. That's what 5 dead from 500 known cases is. If we are overwhelmed and can't treat them all it will be 5% or more. So between 40 and 400 of the people who have so far caught the virus already will die.

When we get 40 to 400 dead from 8000 known cases we will go into lock down. But by then there will be 128,000 cases that will be detected 12 days later.

By Monday we will have over 1000 cases detected. When Italy had 1000 cases detected, 10 days later they had 10,000 and their death rate was moving up over 5%. We will too. Every country had been like this with minor variations in the proportion of cases detected.
You are right 5 days ago we have 250 case now today 530 case so by Monday will be 1000+ case.
Just keep this in mind Monday 23.March.2020 we have 1000+ case

[Climax598]

Sorry mate, but seriously I hope you are wrong on this, otherwise we will all be damned !!

Italy was a very bad case and I think there government handled it very poorly from the start, also, with the Italian cultures of kissing both cheeks on greeting, that's just asking for trouble, and with the European Union's basically non-existence border security, I sure hope that Australia being so far away and with no direct land access, will face a much lesser outbreak !! besides, when Italy started, the world knew a lot less of the virus and how it will spread back then, a few weeks is a lot more time for us to be prepared and to be alerted, hope we are in a far better position to deal with this.

God Bless Australia !!
Just wait 23/03/2020 if Australia have 1000+ case of infection from 530+ case on 18/03/2020. If the estimate is correct then we a fuck!.

[Bunty4]

He believes in climate change he is just not sure if man can stop it. The climate has been changing since earth existed.

I second your thought Pleck....man cannot reverse climate change...it's a natural occurance ever 12-15k years

[Lickalot]

My guess is he is busted
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/husband-catches-coronavirus-on-secret-trip-to-italy-with-mistress-and-quarantined-wife-has-no-idea/news-story/9a19c3adef4193383f12d221155b7105

[GoldfishMan]

Why should we praise China, they didn't do any thing when the Doctors told them about it apart from putting them in gaol. China let it get out to the world before they did anything.
I think you're confusing a few corrupt/incompetent bureaucrats with the whole country. Like, Peter Dutton and Pauline Hanson are bigots, does that make the whole of Australia, all of us bigots?

[Climax598]

I just heard a rumour that Morrison has discovered this thread and will make a big announcement on strategy changes on Friday based on the knowledge and wisdom he has gleaned here.
Good on him. He is most welcome. Not surprise he know this forum.

[moz]

We will be at over 1000 cases by Monday, but still mostly imported cases.

I'll be worried when community transmission gets to 1000 (it will get that way unless we ramp up testing and isolation)

[God Member]

Surely the most expensive bowl of bat soup in history...

[GoldfishMan]

I'm sure a lot of us would've studied viruses at some point in our lives, maybe in highschool science classes etc. Well I decided to read it up again to refresh my memory.
According to Wikipedia:
"Viruses are considered by some to be a life form, because they carry genetic material, reproduce, and evolve through natural selection, although they lack key characteristics (such as cell structure) that are generally considered necessary to count as life. Because they possess some but not all such qualities, viruses have been described as "organisms at the edge of life""

Yep, now I remember them. They're those weird things that are not even "alive" but can somehow infect or attach themselves to other living things and suddenly become alive inside those other things. Wtf... Sounds like something out of an Aliens movie! If you read the Wikipedia page, they say that we're not even sure how they started to exist.
I mean, if you look at them and how they are so destructive to living organisms in general, and how they are just essentially RNA/DNA sequences, IE. chains of protein arranged in a certain specific way, I can't help but think, are these actually Weapons of Mass Destruction? They are almost like Mother Nature's own pre-programmed ICBMs, launched straight at us to cull us from this Earth because there are just too many of us!

[Brothelcreeper]

249 Queen St St Marys brothel owner told me today that business is down 70%

[fjfan]

The sooner brothels and RnTs shut down the better.

[BAM]

I noticed Blacktown shops have closed till end of the month.

[Brothelcreeper]

I noticed Blacktown shops have closed till end of the month.

Which Blacktown shops have closed ?

[BAM]

Which Blacktown shops have closed ?
Blacktown 40 and 8 Carnegie
It's quite funny actually. Blacktown 40 has a sign saying they are renovating and please go to Carnegie 8. Carnegie 8 then have a sign saying closed until end of month go to Blacktown 40 🤣🤣.

Coronavirus has killed punting.

[studsg]

One could argue that this was done by China on purpose to cripple the Western World financially.There are materials out now stating that posthumous testing by CDC has identified the mother of covid-19 i.e. all 5 strands of the covid-19 virus are found in the USA from people who has died since Sep 2019 in USA. The strands in China is only 1, the strand in Italy and Korea is another one. Thus all baby strands from the mother strand. All these are interestingly published by CNN, Reuters, Japan Nippon Shimbun and Taiwanese sources.

There is a madness behind why WHO is praising China for its reaction to the virus and not naming names.

Having said that, there will be China haters on this forum that won't be interested.

[studsg]

We will be at over 1000 cases by Monday, but still mostly imported cases.

I'll be worried when community transmission gets to 1000 (it will get that way unless we ramp up testing and isolation)This virus is imported anyway we look at it. But the facts are, it's now spreading in our community.

See how the age care facility in Macquarie had 1 worker back from Iran who has now spread and killed 2 elderly and infected another worker.

Or the doctor from Ryde who has passed it on to doctor in Liverpool and another Ryde medical worker who in turn has infected her son and daughter. It's just gonna keep multiplying forward.

When this broke out in Italy, they first tried social distancing. When the number of infected hit 10,000. They than went... Oh Shit !

[punter185]

I doubted. This will drag to June or August. Grim time.

[mkkid]

Is it not obvious?
The mother strand, we do not know. So how do you know for certain it stems from China? It is pure conjecture.
It was simply first detected in China - that we do know. There's a big difference. I can't believe how ignorant and foolish everyone can be.

If you are detected with Herpes, this does not make you the "mother of all Herpes".

[TwiceAweek]

Is it not obvious?
The mother strand, we do not know. So how do you know for certain it stems from China? It is pure conjecture.
It was simply first detected in China - that we do know. There's a big difference. I can't believe how ignorant and foolish everyone can be.

If you are detected with Herpes, this does not make you the "mother of all Herpes".Did you say mother of all herpes bro? That'd be me. Glad to be with you....always [emoji23]

pay per pus subscriber

[kimbulford]

a virus that passes from animals to people over time becomes less aggressive.
in two years, he will be no more deadly than seasonal flu.

[AHLUNGOR]

Just got decisions from the company directors that we have to let go half of the work force! And I have to do all the dirty works !

Fucking shit !!

[Budgyboy]

Pleck
Have you lived through a recession? I have, interest rates at 17.5% tough times, but i didnt see poverty or nor did the country shut down. You had to tighten your belt, not borrow money, stay home, not go on holidays, i kept my job, there was work out there, everything was expensive you had to adjust. But we did and we come out the other side like we will with this, power of positive thinking, every cloud has a silver lining is what everyone wants to hear not doom and gloom. Punting will go on specials will be had, adjust and adapt.

[studsg]

The phylogenetic maps.
I said I can not be sure it originated in China. It could have come in from outside early on without being detected. I can be sure that the variants detected elsewhere are derived from the variant in China.Strain A - grandfather that was spawned from SARS - found in USA

Strain B - child spawn from A - found in USA, Japan, Italy

Strain C - child spawn from B - found in both USA and China

Strain D - child spawn from C - found in USA, Australia, Italy

Strain E - child spawn from C - found in USA

China only managed to find Strain C in all their cases.

[studsg]

You ain't seen nothing yet Al. We are headed for a recession like we have never seen before. Very few will get through this unscathed.There are businesses that are really down on funds that have no choice but to let go of staff. Travel, hospitality, etc.

And there are businesses that are flushed with funds. But are taking the excuse to layoff staff just so middle mgt can claim points for cost savings and snr mgr can continue to claim bonus... Lots of such going around now... These ppl are worst than the virus [emoji33]

[Climax598]

Yes Budgyboy I lived through the recession you talked about but this will be far, far worse. We will recover over time but this one is really going to hurt
Wow! show how old are you guys. This recession is different from the ' recession we have to have' it was to kill inflation. This recession is unplan due to covid-19. No economists can say how long this recession going to last.

[AHLUNGOR]

The GFC was kindergarten to where we are headed now.

May be similar to the Great Depression?

[Bunty4]

Just Philosophical.....there is enough for everyone's need but too little for everyone's greed

[moz]

I think this may well be worse than the great depression. Italy currently has 8.3% rough calculation case fatality rate. It is very credible to expect 70 or 80% of the world's population to get infected. Just ponder those numbers.

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I think the fatality rate is more like 1-2%. Italy has an older population and we are beginning to discover drug combinations that work.
(Eg. HCQ And azrithmo - both older off patent dr

And even in Wuhan (admittedly with hard isolation) the infection rate is under 1%.

[AHLUNGOR]

Al, I am starting to think that it will become a depression the more I think about it as we are really headed for unchartered waters. How many people did your firm have to put off?

24 more people will be unemployed from April.

[Brothelcreeper]

“On current growth rates the 370 cases in Australia today will be 750 on Friday, 1500 on Tuesday next week, 3000 next Saturday, 6000 on the 1st of April, 12 000 by the 4th of April and 24 000 by the 7th of April. This is 3 weeks from now and puts us in a worse position than Italy is currently in,” the letter says.

This guy is spot on. 756 cases today Friday

[Brothelcreeper]

The economy is fucked. Next business to go under ?

Flight Centre ?

[AHLUNGOR]

The economy is fucked. Next business to go under ?

Flight Centre ?

Already closed 100 shops ?

Qantas has grounded all international planes and laying off 20,000 staff !

Alan Joyce rang the Woolie CEO asking him to hire some of his staff to help stack the shelves !

[moz]

Was always going to go up exponentially.
But it's still mostly imported cases - we are seeing the impact of the Europe and US cases

From next week the 14-day quarantine should cut into that growth, and we just have to worry about local transmission, and hopefully all the hand washing and no touching rules will begin to reduce that.

[BlackToad]

What am I gonna do when the fucking corona virus blows over (do it with a lot less than a mil too):


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9t3ez_LU6Y

[CarnalConquerer]

You like to stick your head in the pussy ��

Yes sir I do! :slobber:

Virgin is a goner

[God Member]

hopefully all the hand washing and no touching rules will begin to reduce that.

Great Coronavirus moments in history. :shout:

https://i.postimg.cc/FzChgPQp/1809143097-lowres.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/MH2LkVmw/jesus-pontius-pilate-gettyimages-146325691.jpg (https://postimg.cc/bDggkG5V)

[AHLUNGOR]

I think this self isolate 14 days is failing as the government or state authority can’t control the movement of those supposed to be isolated people.

In Hong Kong , people arriving from overseas who are subject to the 14 days isolation have to wear smart wristbands so that their movement can be tracked, more than 10,000 bands have already been activated. Many returning from higher risks area are being quarantined in government provided buildings , apartments and hotels. And yet their number of infected cases are still rising to 256 since all those overseas students are coming home !

What do we have in terms of control movement and quarantine facilities ? And we already have 785 and 392 in NSW alone in like a week.

[SexyBoi]

Yep, people didn't believe me when I posted this.


I believed in you sir. That is why I copied this quote on my notes hoping and praying that it is wrong but it is spot on.

“On current growth rates the 370 cases in Australia today will be 750 on Friday, 1500 on Tuesday next week, 3000 next Saturday, 6000 on the 1st of April, 12 000 by the 4th of April and 24 000 by the 7th of April. This is 3 weeks from now and puts us in a worse position than Italy is currently in,” the letter says.

I do hope that the Govt will ramp up their measures before it’s too late.

[moz]

What do you think happens when you make the testing criteria that you must have returned from overseas with symptoms or be a direct contact of a confirmed case with symptoms? All of the cases you detect have recently returned from overseas or have had direct contact with people who have recently returned. I mean duh.
d.

Simply put. Lack of testing capability
(And on a per capita basis our test levels are higher than pretty much every Euro country, and the US)

Even with symptoms, and overseas/ direct contact, we've had over 100,000 negative tests - over 99% negative.
So that means there is a crap load of other viruses/bugs etc giving people flu like symptoms.

Expand the testing and you'll have 1m+ hypochondriacs in a queue at your testing centre.

I agree our quarantine regime needs better enforcement - too many will ignore it

[quackm2002]

So much for social distancing

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-fury-as-people-ignore-social-distancing-advice-flock-to-beaches-pubs-cafes/news-story/f7eb3fdb923a63a9ff5c5981654b8077

Also, if you look at arrivals at the interns airport, there are still dozens of international aircraft arriving. I thought a lockdown on arrivals started last night?

[punterz]

So much for social distancing

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-fury-as-people-ignore-social-distancing-advice-flock-to-beaches-pubs-cafes/news-story/f7eb3fdb923a63a9ff5c5981654b8077

Also, if you look at arrivals at the interns airport, there are still dozens of international aircraft arriving. I thought a lockdown on arrivals started last night?

That picture is really sobering - the sheer "it's not my problem i dont give a crap" about it.

[blanet]

I think this self isolate 14 days is failing as the government or state authority canÂ’t control the movement of those supposed to be isolated people.

In Hong Kong , people arriving from overseas who are subject to the 14 days isolation have to wear smart wristbands so that their movement can be tracked, more than 10,000 bands have already been activated. Many returning from higher risks area are being quarantined in government provided buildings , apartments and hotels. And yet their number of infected cases are still rising to 256 since all those overseas students are coming home !

What do we have in terms of control movement and quarantine facilities ? And we already have 785 and 392 in NSW alone in like a week.

The wristband sounds like those ankle bracelets that criminals wear under house arrest which I think is the way to go if people who are supposed to be self isolating keep flouting their civil duty. The police need to doing more to enforce this and not expect Aussies to "do the right thing". Instead of patrolling toilet paper aisles and rationing it out, do something more useful like contact tracing investigation. Introduce fines for those not adhering to social distancing and stricter monitoring for people meant to be self isolation.

Places like Singapore have round the clock police investigation units interrogating trace contacts for 3 hours and make them sign a quarantine contract forbidding them to go outside their house until their isolation period is over and any violation could result in fine and/or jail time. And people who've been caught lying about their movements have already been penalised. 5 days ago they had 243 cases and now they have 385.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51866102

Now compare that to Aus where Red Cross callers are checking in on self isolators but only to check on mental welfare and even they know they are out and about but won't dob them in. This is exactly how not to flatten the curve.

[Ease]

I wound say yes - unfortunately. But remember it’s everyone , especially those returning from abroad.
With the incubation Period of COVID 19 we can’t be sure who has it and who doesn’t
Would love to see my favourite establishments put some communications out about how they’re managing this ! I’ll still be punting but I’m definitely likely to gravitate to the places with some standards I place

[Sydlong]

I believed in you sir. That is why I copied this quote on my notes hoping and praying that it is wrong but it is spot on.

“On current growth rates the 370 cases in Australia today will be 750 on Friday, 1500 on Tuesday next week, 3000 next Saturday, 6000 on the 1st of April, 12 000 by the 4th of April and 24 000 by the 7th of April. This is 3 weeks from now and puts us in a worse position than Italy is currently in,” the letter says.

I do hope that the Govt will ramp up their measures before it’s too late.

Those numbers are conservative! the way we are all living at the moment the number will explode more than doubling per day as people carry on interacting. some pubs, restaurants, workplaces, cafes and schools are packed and ideal breeding grounds.

The numbers being reported are not accurate either, some people not being tested at all and being recorded, a lot of 20 something not even bothered, I over heard a group last week saying 'they don't care it is only a cold and will get over it'

the same was happening in Italy just a few weeks ago

[Sabotage]

Have to get ahead of the curve, implement measure one step ahead. If they are thinking about a lock down, then do it now. Always feels we are one step behind in what we should be doing.

Letting everyone off the cruise ship in Sydney that had confirm Covid-19 cases and then asking the rest of them to self-isolate seems irresponsible. Do we trust them to do the right thing?

Have read Police are randomly visiting homes of people who are supposed to be in isolation. Is this enough?

[Mustang550]

The government had perfect fucking chance to take action when there was only few cases , and they blew it , self isolation means jack fucking shit! How many of them are actually isolating, I bet everyday Morrison and his crew wake up and be like : how could we fuck this country up today ?

Money over lifes

[Climax598]

My regular have stop work from yesterday after seeing a cruise ship ( infected 4 persons) with few thousand people go home on self isolation. She say the risk is too high. This self isolation is B.S.

[Travelmate]

Few popular shop has closed temporary. One in burwood and one in Campsie

[dotcumdotinyou]

I was with a regular ML yesterday and she told me both shops she works at are closing for a couple of weeks (or more) from this coming Monday. I'll drive past next week and see.

[dotcumdotinyou]

I'll be interested to see Sundays 60 minutes where some researchers claim that an old HIV drug could be a cure for the virus.

Whilst on this, I don't know if any of you remember back in the early years of HIV a couple of our scientists from the good old CSIRO claimed to have found a cure for the disease and called it "gene shears". They claimed they could also modify it to attack the genes of any virus from the common cold to HIV...they disappeared off the face of earth soon after and nothing more was ever heard of them or their discovery. Conspiracy theorists at the time said they were paid off by the drug companies as they make more profits treating the symptoms than curing us.

[moz]

The various papers so far suggest an old malaria drug, and a general antibacterial work best at minimising the symptoms.

HCQ/ Hydroxychloroquine/ Plaquenil is the old malaria drug also currently used for some form of arthritis seems the best.
This was the one that those Qld scientists were trying to get money before, despite it already having been used in China, and in French studies, and also seemingly in Australia

Other from the French study is athrimozine, a anti-bacterial.

But note these are not a cure, just minimise the symptoms and lower the mortality rate.

[cuteguy]

The WHO has set the record straight about a common misconception people have when it comes to coronavirus and how it is most commonly spread. Respiratory diseases can spread efficiently in winter not necessarily because of the temperature but because human beings come together in closed environments and therefore transmission is more facilitated. This is supported by the rapid spread of the virus in Singapore, where it is typically hot and humid, to illustrate how temperature was not a factor consistent with more cases of the condition. This is why the Government is urging everyone to take up social distancing to stop the virus spreading quickly.

[AHLUNGOR]

Thank you linemen, thank you ballboys, game, set and match !

This is it, it’s time ! It’s all over and they all have to stop and stop NOW !!

Can’t bear to watch any more of our elite players tackling each other on the fielding . What messages are NRL and AFL is sending to the public? That’s just undo what the government is trying to achieve in social distancing! We can’t wait for the first case of player infection then closing shop, it needs to be closed now !

Preserve our most valuable resources and try again in 2021 !

[moz]

Won't be long for the AFL I suspect. Guaranteed some of the players or WAGS went to some of the F1 events and mixed with some people recently arrived from Europe.
Symptoms this week you'd think.

[AHLUNGOR]

Won't be long for the AFL I suspect. Guaranteed some of the players or WAGS went to some of the F1 events and mixed with some people recently arrived from Europe.
Symptoms this week you'd think.


There are lots of pubs advertising that : we have the footy ! To attract customers which you can’t blame them in order to survive! But that alone is counterproductive on the social distancing? I think all the restaurants and bars and pubs and casino is gonna be shut down next week, alongside no more footies !

The Macau government right from the start of outbreaks back in early January, shut down the entire areas casinos, restaurants, bars, night clubs and sauna for two weeks when they had - wait for this: 10 cases!

They didn’t have any more new cases for 45 days, and today they still only have 17! In case anyone don’t know where is Macau? It’s located at the southern tip of China near Hong Kong and the Chinese people can just walk across the border!

Channel 9 and 7 can start replaying the entire 2019 seasons week by week !

[mkkid]

May a shops will go broke in this environment.
For those of you with spare cash, it is a great time to purchase a few of these premises at discount prices.
Then, like a phoenix, rise from the ashes of covid19 with say 6-7 establishments running full steam ahead.
bulk buy bath wipes while you're at it.
then thank me later.

[Sanji2016]

So I thought I did some math on the statistics of infection in NSW so far.

There are 436 cases confirmed by 8pm Friday. That is still low, so I thought no harm to still do some punting because that means 1 in every 12000 people in NSW is infected. That is still very low percentage wise, not even .01 percent.

I was about to punt, called some joints then I thought I googled some more news while waiting and I found out that those 436 cases comes from 46456 people tested. Which means there are still a lot of people not tested, like a lot.

On the flip side, that made the statistics higher. 1 in about 106 people was infected in NSW and that’s about 1 percent now.

I think it’s still okay to punt (doubting myself still)

Keep loving boys

[Travelmate]

There are lots of pubs advertising that : we have the footy ! To attract customers which you can’t blame them in order to survive! But that alone is counterproductive on the social distancing? I think all the restaurants and bars and pubs and casino is gonna be shut down next week, alongside no more footies !

The Macau government right from the start of outbreaks back in early January, shut down the entire areas casinos, restaurants, bars, night clubs and sauna for two weeks when they had - wait for this: 10 cases!

They didn’t have any more new cases for 45 days, and today they still only have 17! In case anyone don’t know where is Macau? It’s located at the southern tip of China near Hong Kong and the Chinese people can just walk across the border!

Channel 9 and 7 can start replaying the entire 2019 seasons week by week !

Brother . You are too popular. Your mail box always full. The TV rights cost too much. And sponsorship all wants to pull out. They all talked behind how to dig out from contracts. There is no one inside the stadium. Harvey Norman or Telstra scoreboard provide no ROI.

[AHLUNGOR]

May a shops will go broke in this environment.
For those of you with spare cash, it is a great time to purchase a few of these premises at discount prices.
Then, like a phoenix, rise from the ashes of covid19 with say 6-7 establishments running full steam ahead.
bulk buy bath wipes while you're at it.
then thank me later.

旺角仔，而家如果重有多餘錢？good on you if you have the cash! Wouldn’t it be better off to pick up some blue chip stocks which are all at near bottom prices you couldn’t even imagine ? But then again, have they actually hit rock bottom yet? What if the All Ord drops a few more thousand?

[AHLUNGOR]

Brother . You are too popular. Your mail box always full. The TV rights cost too much. And sponsorship all wants to pull out. They all talked behind how to dig out from contracts. There is no one inside the stadium. Harvey Norman or Telstra scoreboard provide no ROI.

Thanks Bro, cleared some room now.

[wilisno]

The medical staffs have the hardest job, never stop being busy. After the coronavirus is over, they’ll be busy with the baby boom ! Due to the social distancing call, people are forced to practice social coupling indoors ! ;) ;) ;)

[cuteguy]

Thank you linemen, thank you ballboys, game, set and match !

This is it, it’s time ! It’s all over and they all have to stop and stop NOW !!

Can’t bear to watch any more of our elite players tackling each other on the fielding . What messages are NRL and AFL is sending to the public? That’s just undo what the government is trying to achieve in social distancing! We can’t wait for the first case of player infection then closing shop, it needs to be closed now !

Preserve our most valuable resources and try again in 2021 !

I agree. If the government is advising all citizens to adopt social distancing, no handshaking or hugging then the players should not be exempt from such isolation measures. Of course, sports will suffer and it is unfortunate but tough measures need to be taken if we are to contain this virus. If the players and the various sports codes believe they can do whatever they like then what message are they sending to their loyal fans? We need to put aside our interest in the games for the time being and look at what is best for the whole country.

[warwick1]

The medical staffs have the hardest job, never stop being busy. After the coronavirus is over, they’ll be busy with the baby boom ! Due to the social distancing call, people are forced to practice social coupling indoors ! ;) ;) ;)

Maybe spend time with their wives or partners instead of WLs and MLs...........

[Riff888]

Or this could happen

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/divorce-cases-rise-in-china-as-couples-spend-too-much-time-together-during-coronavirus-home-quarantine/ar-BB11gXnQ

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[sexercisor2230]

Looks like all pubs clubs gyms shut from tomorrow.. must be same for brothels and massage parlours. I think privates will increase

[cuteguy]

It applies to venues of social gatherings. Are brothels and massage shops places of social gatherings?

[Pongie]

Hair dressers was asked and they are still open. Would assume massage joints and brothels would still be allowed to remain open.

[Bunty4]

May a shops will go broke in this environment.
For those of you with spare cash, it is a great time to purchase a few of these premises at discount prices.
Then, like a phoenix, rise from the ashes of covid19 with say 6-7 establishments running full steam ahead.
bulk buy bath wipes while you're at it.
then thank me later.

No one will sell...and buy... currently no one knows how long will this stay....we are getting into winter😰

[mkkid]

Winter is coming!

[Brothelcreeper]

Taylor’s in Lidcombe have just informed me that they are closing their two shops in Lidcombe and Brookvale for safety reasons

[cuteguy]

WE have done what is the right thing to do for 4 weeks
Cheers

What will the girls do for the next 4 weeks? Will they go on jobseeker payments? Don't they need to show they became unemployed at their last place of work is brothel or massage shop?

[AHLUNGOR]

What will the girls do for the next 4 weeks? Will they go on jobseeker payments? Don't they need to show they became unemployed at their last place of work is brothel or massage shop?

Mate, most of the MLs and WLs are Not Aussie citizens or permanent residents do not entitled to any Centrelink benefits!

It’s gonna be very tough !!

[warwick1]

Mate, most of the MLs and WLs are Not Aussie citizens or permanent residents do not entitled to any Centrelink benefits!

It’s gonna be very tough !!

And most have not been paying tax while here , my heart bleeds.....:greedy:

[aussiegaigin]

I hope we don't get Covid 20 S Plus next year?

[AHLUNGOR]

I hope we don't get Covid 20 S Plus next year?


Be very careful on what people are wishing for !

and before we even get to that, hopefully we don't see an explosion of STD's in the industry judging on what many punters are commenting and the current climates, how many WLs will be forced or tempted into providing unprotected services ? don't even go there please .................. :fire:

[liminal]

Be very careful on what people are wishing for !

and before we even get to that, hopefully we don't see an explosion of STD's in the industry judging on what many punters are commenting and the current climates, how many WLs will be forced or tempted into providing unprotected services ? don't even go there please .................. :fire:

Big Al always reasoned and with compassion 🤟🏼

Btw. For those who do snipe.. How people have earned income at the moment and or their tax status is a non issue when your balls deep. So show a little compassion for all

[SexyBoi]

Mate, most of the MLs and WLs are Not Aussie citizens or permanent residents do not entitled to any Centrelink benefits!

It’s gonna be very tough !!

I agree. Last time I went to visit a regular, gave her a weeks worth of groceries and essential items and an extra $ to help tide her over this difficult times. Most of these girls don’t eve have families here for support so i helped anyway I can. My heart is somewhat broken *sigh*

[liminal]

So that means by opening you haven't done the right thing. I am getting very confused.

Yes it’s evident

[AHLUNGOR]

When I walked past all the restaurants and cafes near work this evening, all of them were closed and only a couple of Thai, Hungry Jack, Mecca are open with takeaway only - all the tables and chairs are taped off like a crime scene !

[wilisno]

I walked past a Centrelink office today, people were queuing up to the end of the block outside the door !

[warwick1]

I walked past a Centrelink office today, people were queuing up to the end of the block outside the door !

Alot of small business owners in the queue , they have to front personally, no online applications.........

[Brothelcreeper]

Will the last person alive please turn off all the lights

God bless Australia

I am dreading seeing in a month or two hospitals full of people dying like in Italy. Let’s hope we can avoid that apocalyptic nightmare here.

[Riff888]

My dad was in Europe a few years ago and got sick in Italy and needed hospital care.

He was covered, so he didn't have to worry about bills.

He almost died because of the bad system over there. Lying in the corridor for hours, no food or water let alone medical advice or help.

He said he'll never go to Italy again.

Let's hope our hospitals are better managed.

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[fjfan]

Will the last person alive please turn off all the lights

God bless Australia

I am dreading seeing in a month or two hospitals full of people dying like in Italy. Let’s hope we can avoid that apocalyptic nightmare here.

Aren't we all. Just need to do our part which is to stay at home and stay away from whores.

[fjfan]

So that means by opening you haven't done the right thing. I am getting very confused.

Couldn't agree more.

[liminal]

He has been accurate so far

Yes his left testicle is a crystal orb, that we should all look steadily into

I’m referring to, the inability to discern intent of the comment made by the shop manager/owner.

Possibly due to a lack of a comma , that I can also profess to as a gradually poorer man.

However I’m happy to pay for (pleck) an hour at Ginza, if and when a punter , sees a day in court and sues ... 🙄

[AHLUNGOR]

NSW now has 669 cases confirmed!

27 cases already from the passengers getting off the Ruby Princess (another 21 cases are interstates )! I think they were allowed to disembark because no one was showing any symptoms. Big mistakes ! And why they were not quarantined??

[AHLUNGOR]

NSW now has 669 cases confirmed!

27 cases already from the passengers getting off the Ruby Princess (another 21 cases are interstates )! I think they were allowed to disembark because no one was showing any symptoms. Big mistakes ! And why they were not quarantined??



Just spoke with my friend who has an uncle tested positive two days ago and he was one of the passengers from the Ruby Princess, according to my friend's uncle, NO ONE was tested on the ship before they got all ! What the ??

[cuteguy]

Just spoke with my friend who has an uncle tested positive two days ago and he was one of the passengers from the Ruby Princess, according to my friend's uncle, NO ONE was tested on the ship before they got all ! What the ??

Where were the NSW health inspectors in this case? They knew of these arrivals but no one turned up to have the whole boat quarantined. Hopeless!!!

[fjfan]

Australia now has 2,136 official cases.

[studsg]

Australia now has 2,136 official cases.We only got 2000 ventilators across our country. Soon doctors will have to decide who will get a ventilator and who won't. Terrible position to be in.

Doctors are asking for a full lock-down before this gets out of control...

[cuteguy]

China might experience a second wave of coronavirus due to their citizens returning home. All returning citizens must go through Beijing and there won't be voluntary self isolation like in Australia. They have a warehouse hospital where you must stay and you get tested many times before you are released into the community. All their staff have biohazard protective gear. They know what they are doing over there.

[liminal]

Well who looks the dickhead now?????
Yes I know of two that ended in court last year but not everything is in an open court. You really need to know your facts before you get on the keyboard. Yes PM for a meetup and I will provide the facts. Just make sure you bring cash.

Hold your leftie ... let’s see which punter puts up an action in court and sues ,resulting from coronavirus.

We can all go trawling to find a statistic or a7 news headline to support ones lofty space.

Leftie ,Which girl had you booked?if you succeed we will on the day of reopening stand tall and humbled in the others presence and one of us will hand over the cash 😊

... you are now suggesting that 2 punters got Coronavirus last year ? Did they sue? Did they win the action?

The current powers also talk of reciprocal social/legal.responsibility. More ‘dickhead’ you, if you do after Wed midnight. What ‘dickhead’ punter sir, really is Going to do this, given he /she also has a reciprocal responsibility .

That is after Wed and all shop closures

Please be academic.

P.S as of 12:01 tomorrow I may be a wanker. Leftie you are welcome to call me on that now .

[warwick1]

Going back North very soon, lucky I am on the NSW side of the border, be safe everybody:love:

[liminal]

Well limited, I never mentioned a punter had taken a girl/shop to court regarding coronavirus. I said punters have taken shops to court in the past. I even had to give evidence once as I was involved in a shop. I don't punt as I don't need to but I must admit I will go to Ginza for the one hour punt that you are going to pay for me. Also, I am as right wing as they come. Before you pound the keyboard at me please have the facts correct.

Sir, frankly you show a deficit in humour , as much as your inability to correctly interpret or interpolate posts made by others. This is clearly seen in a number of your posts. .

You posted a statement in a thread that was courting pontificating and pursuing the deeper truths of punting and the Coronavirus pandemic.

Edit: the whole forum is this.

Are you now saying that punters took civil action and successfully sued a place of adult entertainment because they became ill and the said licensed premises, were in breach at that time of a general notice to cease trading due to a health code violation?

Or was there a state of emergency declared last year, that I somehow missed?

So, as you are obviously a titan in the punt industry , so when we stand close ( post Social distancing ) in a private room with a full compliment of ginza girls too choose from - as you got the pull to organise - we can discuss your fundamentals

P.S leftie... referring to your Swarovski teste..

[boater]

Why it matters that we don't punt (and avoid other people in general)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-25/coronavirus-covid-19-modelling-stay-home-chart/12084144

[liminal]

It just proves that you can't put brains in statues.

You got pluck pleck, I’ll grant you ...
I’m reflecting on the initial post that piqued my interest and subsequent pithy postulations played back n forth . Perhaps I mistook your post in this specific Covid19 thread, as more a general ‘ royal we ’ and merely been sage n wiser (and an inductee into some mysterious masonicesque punt lodge) than clearly moi and, you are right you can’t put a left or right hemisphere, in Rodins ‘Walking Man’ ....

DM to follow dear non punt man, so we can display our roguish n jaunty cockerel feathers at dawn and at the min prescribed social distance to meet current recommendation. and of course ready
You for diamond service you appear, so ready to claim as yours.

Though I’m still of an opinion that no logical sane of mind person , unless they are clearly maligned and a dandy for litigation ,buffoon punter will pony up for a day in court . All because he /she thought they caught a case of corona resulting from their transgression and illegal act .

That is they went and visited an establishment known in pre lockdown days, but now not ,for providing adult entertainment and clearly at a time when A. they shouldn’t B they probably shouldn’t

I may along with you be now labelled with the stigma of keyboard mutual masturbation.. however the fool who seeks to make an action in court, to wit sue Sue, cause she must have given him Covid, has clearly not thought about mutual obligation. nor responsibility.

Yes a field day for the lawyers, hurruh, we heartily cheer ... but more fool him/her.

P.s pleck I’ll dbl down of sorts and incentivise said contagion of a fool , with the offer of an hour in Ginza and in your company , when he /she lawyers up and takes an Action into court .

I like you, ain’t saying it can’t be done, academically yes, but will they, would they . ?.

[liminal]

Mate, I have a letter to say I'm sane, have you?

Mate why do you have a letter?

So, we are standing in beer swill now, arms around shoulders .. I’m feeling cosy now cobber.

But , for the record, not cut my ear off yet .. wow 2nd art historical ref of the evening. But Admit it plecki you did ponder, why can’t you put a brain in rodins walking man , only to realise who the punt of a fool is he ,?

If I’ve assisted you in coming closer to some great art , then our time here is not lost, unlike the lacking character of a fool who based on your statement.. sues a shop for covid after an announcement , yet before the ban and closure of shops.


I get what you meant , Kinda

[Donn]

I rarely post here, but this forum's response to recent events is an excellent example of mass hysteria and uninformed old-woman gossiping. It makes sense, after all, this is a punter's forum which is all about gossip.

The COVID19 disease and the SARS-COV-2 virus which causes it are what's known in the field of infectious diseases as a 'nothing burger'; many of the deaths attributed to it were really caused by preexisting illnesses and the frailty of age; children do not show symptoms; people under 50 only die if already sick with something else. You've all gobbled up a cocktail of misleading data and statistics as though you'd never been exposed to sensationalist media before in your lives.

The result is that the economic order has imploded, people will suffer, all because people can't be bothered, or are simply incapable, of reading the data properly, and because most grown adults have the cognitive ability of infants when exposed to the trickery of social media. Worst of all, now none of you can enjoy your favourite pasttime. Great work morons.

[Donn]

And Pleck, who I'm sure is just the recent incarnation of a long line of similar past users, Pleck is the worst of them. Good work Pleck, you blew it up, you total idiot.

[liminal]

Mate, I am not the Government I have no input to anything.

Hahahaha

Pleckmeister

I hadn’t forgotten, just been busy with a private . Oh fuk spank me . Aren’t they all greedy

Now pleck please clarify what your gilded cage is of?

You have posted a few wide angle comments

Before current affair get a lead on this story you are imagining

Can you clarify specifically what your point was ?

You said Field day. Personally I like the Yass hoe down , what’s and where’s your fave tractor pull ?

Now where was I... can you offer up precisely what fine hair you split and what were you offering ?

Were You a stooge giving cash for comment at wodonga magistrates,?

What are these mysterious closed court sessions you mention? Was Alan Jones there?

Can he still genuflect ?

Now if I recall , you made a statement you said ...it was about other shit.. nothing to do with covid though you post in a covid thread... you are a rascally rabbit . Now to add insults to injuries, then you may have called/ inferred I was a dickhead . Personally I’ll label myself an unwashed wanker . But hey

But the ra question I keep been DM’d is

Would you prefer to fuk Liza gibbons or Marcia Brady


Your point is as sharp as your self confessed non punting .........

Rub a dub

[Effindahead]

Guys, meet up in a place and solve it like men. And make a video of it, share it online. I'll help to blow the video up.
Kids these days...

[boater]

Thursday
"Three staff members at a massage parlour on Sussex Street in Sydney were also fined $1000, and the owner fined $5000 for continuing to operate despite lockdowns ordering the store to close."

https://www.smh.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-prince-charles-is-diagnosed-with-covid-19-as-spain-s-death-toll-overtakes-china-s-20200325-p54dxu.html

[AHLUNGOR]

Queenslanders are going to vote this weekend! Seriously? You are kidding me right ?

What about all the talks and push to stay home and social distancing!

I’m watching the QLD Health spokesperson on TV right now stating that going to the booth is no more danger than going to the supermarket!

Just wait when there are a few people got infected from going to vote and you will all be damned !

Hope not !

[cuteguy]

The next hotspot is right on our doorstep, Indonesia. The experts are forecasting millions will be affected. They have no social isolation measures in place. The health system won't be able to deal with this pandemic. The medical staff are using raincoats instead of biohazard protective gear. I guess many tourists who travelled to Indonesia in the last few months are likely to have the virus.

[AHLUNGOR]

The next hotspot is right on our doorstep, Indonesia. The experts are forecasting millions will be affected. They have no social isolation measures in place. The health system won't be able to deal with this pandemic. The medical staff are using raincoats instead of biohazard protective gear. I guess many tourists who travelled to Indonesia in the last few months are likely to have the virus.


There was a report on ABC the other night, the Indonesian government simply can not cope with this and very ill equipped and man on the street commented that they can not afford any shut down as people are basically living from hand to mouth, stop work, stop eating !!

From the report, many people were just collapsing and may be dying laying on the street. very sad !

[originalmj23]

Donn is right. If you look closer at the numbers reported, the threat of this new so called 'virus' is all is very political and way overexagerated to deliberately crash the economy. This all makes no sense and the numbers do not add up. Now you are going to have police and even the army on the streets giving fines and locking up people for going for walks in group. All of this for what? A virus that if 80% of the people contracted will have mild symptoms. The average death age of the infected is 80 year old with three pre-existing conditions. Since when has the goverment care so much about old pensioners that they are now going to have tanks on the street locking up people in the name of stopping this "plandemic".

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/coronavirus-in-australia-army-called-in-to-help-enforce-strict-new-quarantine-rules--c-766521.amp

[moz]

Donn is right. If you look closer at the numbers reported, the threat of this new so called 'virus' is all is very political and way overexagerated to deliberately crash the economy.

You do know what exponential growth means?

US is at 100k infected and 1500 deaths.
By next weekend probably 250k and 3500 deaths

[originalmj23]

You do know what exponential growth means?

US is at 100k infected and 1500 deaths.
By next weekend probably 250k and 3500 deaths

The assumption of exponential growth is based on a flawed model and based on politicised and skewed data.
https://www.businessinsider.sg/china-coronavirus-diagnosis-ct-scans-lungs-2020-2

"CT scans are considered less thorough than lab tests,"
China's infected and death rate numbers all of the sudden disappear over a few days. Is it because of the shutdown?
https://pjmedia.com/trending/report-china-stopped-testing-for-covid-19-thats-why-there-are-zero-new-cases/

About 500 000 people die of flu (not to mention other diseases) every year on aveage yet no one makes any fuss of it and lifes go on. To what extent are you willing to jeopardize everything to stop the spread of this virus. Now you cant even visit a critically ill family member or a friend in hospital because of this. Italy has been in lock down for 1 month and cases are still rising. Are you ok with a house lockdown/arrest of 1-2 years to stop the virus. I am not.

[Dark_nanon]

About 500 000 people die of flu (not to mention other diseases) every year on aveage yet no one makes any fuss of it and lifes go on.

Isn't the reason for this due to there being a vaccine for the flu(mostly works)? Or at least allows for some herd immunity to reduce risk to the vulnerable?

[phoenix555]

Italy has lockdown, but many people still wandering around and not listening, because they don’t take this thing seriously. Although shop closed, they still visit friend and relatives etc.

Do you know that 38% of the hospitalised people in US is age 20 to 54?
And of the death, 20% is age 20 to 54?

You can be die even without pre existing condition, 21 years old female in UK die of corona virus without pre existing condition last week, and the family is regret not take this thing seriously.

[Macbeth_oz]

We have a control for this corona virus. The Spanish flu of 1919. It killed more Americans than WW1,WW2 and the Vietnam war. About 650,000. The population was 1/3 of what it is today so we may have as many as 2 million dead just in the USA. Third world countries like Indonesia will do worse. It’s not a beat up or a conspiracy or a nothing burger. It’s real and it is a killer.

[yug]

Italy has lockdown, but many people still wandering around and not listening, because they don’t take this thing seriously. .

People who don't buy into hysteria and think they are way clever than everyone else (like Dann and originalmj23 ) are the ones who are not listening.

Some are still comparing this to flu.

First of all, we haven't build immunity to coronavirus.

Unlike influenza, for which we have anti-viral medicines and vaccines, there are currently no licensed vaccines or drugs for COVID-19

For COVID-19 at the moment, the global case fatality rate is over 3 percent, although we think it’s probably closer to 1 per cent. At a rate of 1 per cent, COVID-19 would be about 10 times more deadly than seasonal flu, which is estimated to kill between 290,000 and 650,000 people globally every year.

COVID-19 is way more contagious. A person with flu will spread it to 1.3 people. A person with COVID-19 will spread it to 2 to 2.5.
That means the new coronavirus is about twice as contagious as influenza.

Reference: https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-03-20/how-coronavirus-covid-19-compares-to-flu/12073696


Plus, even if the virus effects 20% of the population, it will have major impact. Do we let the vulnerable, disabled, and the adults die because we, the younger ones, are fit and healthy to cope up with this?...How selfish can people get?...And we don't know how fit we are either. Only cocky people would take this lightly because they have a barometer of some kind to instantly tell them how fit they are.

[mkkid]

Many people will die.
Even at 3% death rate... if the number infected reaches 10-20mil... you can do the maths.

But those who survive, they will rise like phoenix and grab all the assets from the dead.
Many a men will be rich by end of year.

[Bunty4]

Many people will die.
Even at 3% death rate... if the number infected reaches 10-20mil... you can do the maths.

But those who survive, they will rise like phoenix and grab all the assets from the dead.
Many a men will be rich by end of year.

You forget those who pass away will have family who will claim what remains....so the theory is flawed.

[originalmj23]

People who don't buy into hysteria and think they are way clever than everyone else (like Dann and originalmj23 ) are the ones who are not listening.

Some are still comparing this to flu.

First of all, we haven't build immunity to coronavirus.

Unlike influenza, for which we have anti-viral medicines and vaccines, there are currently no licensed vaccines or drugs for COVID-19

For COVID-19 at the moment, the global case fatality rate is over 3 percent, although we think it’s probably closer to 1 per cent. At a rate of 1 per cent, COVID-19 would be about 10 times more deadly than seasonal flu, which is estimated to kill between 290,000 and 650,000 people globally every year.

COVID-19 is way more contagious. A person with flu will spread it to 1.3 people. A person with COVID-19 will spread it to 2 to 2.5.
That means the new coronavirus is about twice as contagious as influenza.

Reference: https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-03-20/how-coronavirus-covid-19-compares-to-flu/12073696


Plus, even if the virus effects 20% of the population, it will have major impact. Do we let the vulnerable, disabled, and the adults die because we, the younger ones, are fit and healthy to cope up with this?...How selfish can people get?...And we don't know how fit we are either. Only cocky people would take this lightly because they have a barometer of some kind to instantly tell them how fit they are.

https://youtu.be/JBB9bA-gXL4

The premise that the virus is so lethal to point we crash the whole worlds economy and lock people in house arrests for atleast 2 months for a virus that has a suposed mortality rate of 1%(based on unreliable and skewed data mainly fron china and italy) is hugely ignornant at best and deeply sinister at worst.

[yug]

https://youtu.be/JBB9bA-gXL4

The premise that the virus is so lethal to point we crash the whole worlds economy and lock people in house arrests for atleast 2 months for a virus that has a suposed mortality rate of 1%(based on unreliable and skewed data mainly fron china and italy) is hugely ignornant at best and deeply sinister at worst.

And what do you think we should do?
Take the risk of infecting entire population and see how it goes because you think the mortality rate is skewed and have a hunch that is all hysteria.
There will be blood in the hands of people like you if entire population is exposed.
Are you a medical expert?...Or do you think all the medical experts around the world is controlled by media?

And what do you think will happen if adults and vulnerable people starting dying at that time?
All the hospitals will be full; organizations will close if entire population is sick with virus; there will be even more chaos.
It will impact the same economy you are trying to save.

What part of mitigating and minimizing risk do you not understand?
Let me hear your plans about what should happen since you seem to act as an expert and know-it-all.

[Climax598]

You see that what happens when a men have no pussy to play with. Going crazy and abusing each other who is right or wrong. Fire up guys interesting debate,keep it up as long not killed each other.

[originalmj23]

You do know what exponential growth means?

US is at 100k infected and 1500 deaths.
By next weekend probably 250k and 3500 deaths


And what do you think we should do?
Take the risk of infecting entire population and see how it goes because you think the mortality rate is skewed and have a hunch that is all hysteria.
There will be blood in the hands of people like you if entire population is exposed.
Are you a medical expert?...Or do you think all the medical experts around the world is controlled by media?

And what do you think will happen if adults and vulnerable people starting dying at that time?
All the hospitals will be full; organizations will close if entire population is sick with virus; there will be even more chaos.
It will impact the same economy you are trying to save.

What part of mitigating and minimizing risk do you not understand?
Let me hear your plans about what should happen since you seem to act as an expert and know-it-all.

the bottom line is this is basicially an overhyped fear mongering event that had spooked the whole world into thinking this is an approcalyse. I have previously quoted many medical experts that strongly disagree with current media narrative and hysteria. But because their view do not fit the current fear mongering agenda they get absolutely no mention and get riduculed by the media.
https://youtu.be/p_AyuhbnPOI
https://youtu.be/MARVdS-pHdQ
https://youtu.be/onrWLT6XYKk
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1233679/coronavirus-update-symptoms-flu-2020-china-flu-deaths

You really need to ask yourselve if this all makes sense, is it justified to have the army on the streets locking up people in house arrest. Which group of people are benefitting or suffering from this event?

[Effindahead]

Hahahaha
Punters turned analyst turned doctors turned mathematicians...
I'd rather focus on what to do after the virus ends...might as well start a new thread

[originalmj23]

Hahahaha
Punters turned analyst turned doctors turned mathematicians...
I'd rather focus on what to do after the virus ends...might as well start a new thread

Going crazy as there are no ml or wl to take out my anxiety on.

[cuteguy]

Going crazy as there are no ml or wl to take out my anxiety on.

The government is providing extra support for mental health problems as a result of self isolation. Maybe you can speak to a psychologist about your anxiety.

[carmen farquis]

People are so sick of wh&s and the news over dramatising everything not many people took it serious to start with, every year there is a new killer flu. Its like the boy who cried wolf.

Also everything is so sterile these days nobody's immune system is as strong.

[cuteguy]

What do you do when you're the king of your nation and you want to get away from the coronavirus in your country? Go abroad and take your harem with you!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8164535/King-Thailand-self-isolates-coronavirus-German-hotel-harem-20-concubines.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8143371/Thais-rare-dissent-against-monarchy-surge-online-posts-amid-coronavirus-outbreak.html

[God Member]

A relevant read in The Spectator. Yes, it would be just if the CCP paid the world back. Three viruses they've let loose on us in the 21st century!

"In Australia alone, confronting the Wuhan virus crisis has meant a $3 billion clinical response, and $200 billon, so far, in economic stimulus to keep businesses going. Britain is putting an extra £30 billion into its National Health Service alone. The costs of enforcing shutdowns and lockouts across the world will also be astronomical. And these are just direct costs, not the dire economic catastrophe unfolding as whole industries crash, jobs are lost, share markets plummet and daily life is upended (more toilet paper, anyone?). Almost certainly, coronavirus soon will bring Australia recession after nearly thirty years, achieving what even the 2008 Global Financial Crisis could not.

Being brutally frank: all this global disruption and misery originates with the communist Chinese regime. Xi’s government owed a moral duty not just to his people but the whole world to do all it could to contain the outbreak at the outset. As with bird flu and SARS, however, it put covering its own backside and saving face ahead of the lives of its own citizens and the well-being of the rest of the world. Yet from the Chinese leadership there has been no regret, no taking any responsibility for what originated under its authoritarian control. Instead it brands any criticism, even merely pointing out Wuhan being the virus’s Ground Zero, as racist and xenophobic.

Xi’s ‘up yours’ to the rest of the world is appallingly immoral. From its lax regulation of wet markets that enabled the first human case of Wuhan virus, for its incompetence, and especially its initial cover-up that denied other nations precious time to prepare, Xi’s regime is culpable. Applying principles of common law negligence, it grossly breached its duty of care to those to whom it was owed: all of us. The worldwide pandemic consequences of Chinese government malfeasance were reasonably foreseeable, even if the massive scale of the economic, social and political damage is worse than ever can have been imagined. Xi’s regime must be held accountable morally and politically, if not legally.

If this was a case under Australian law, the perpetrator of such culpable negligence would be liable to pay huge damages to all suffering catastrophic loss from their actions and possibly face criminal charges too. As the world faces Wuhan virus-induced recession or worse, and people die in their thousands, why shouldn’t Mr Morrison, President Trump and other world leaders calculate the damage the Chinese regime’s negligence has wrought, and send Comrade Xi the most gigantic reparations bill in the history of mankind? He deserves it and his discredited, despotic government should be made to pay it."

[warwick1]

A relevant read in The Spectator. Yes, it would be just if the CCP paid the world back. Three viruses they've let loose on us in the 21st century!

"In Australia alone, confronting the Wuhan virus crisis has meant a $3 billion clinical response, and $200 billon, so far, in economic stimulus to keep businesses going. Britain is putting an extra £30 billion into its National Health Service alone. The costs of enforcing shutdowns and lockouts across the world will also be astronomical. And these are just direct costs, not the dire economic catastrophe unfolding as whole industries crash, jobs are lost, share markets plummet and daily life is upended (more toilet paper, anyone?). Almost certainly, coronavirus soon will bring Australia recession after nearly thirty years, achieving what even the 2008 Global Financial Crisis could not.

Being brutally frank: all this global disruption and misery originates with the communist Chinese regime. Xi’s government owed a moral duty not just to his people but the whole world to do all it could to contain the outbreak at the outset. As with bird flu and SARS, however, it put covering its own backside and saving face ahead of the lives of its own citizens and the well-being of the rest of the world. Yet from the Chinese leadership there has been no regret, no taking any responsibility for what originated under its authoritarian control. Instead it brands any criticism, even merely pointing out Wuhan being the virus’s Ground Zero, as racist and xenophobic.

Xi’s ‘up yours’ to the rest of the world is appallingly immoral. From its lax regulation of wet markets that enabled the first human case of Wuhan virus, for its incompetence, and especially its initial cover-up that denied other nations precious time to prepare, Xi’s regime is culpable. Applying principles of common law negligence, it grossly breached its duty of care to those to whom it was owed: all of us. The worldwide pandemic consequences of Chinese government malfeasance were reasonably foreseeable, even if the massive scale of the economic, social and political damage is worse than ever can have been imagined. Xi’s regime must be held accountable morally and politically, if not legally.

If this was a case under Australian law, the perpetrator of such culpable negligence would be liable to pay huge damages to all suffering catastrophic loss from their actions and possibly face criminal charges too. As the world faces Wuhan virus-induced recession or worse, and people die in their thousands, why shouldn’t Mr Morrison, President Trump and other world leaders calculate the damage the Chinese regime’s negligence has wrought, and send Comrade Xi the most gigantic reparations bill in the history of mankind? He deserves it and his discredited, despotic government should be made to pay it."

Amen to that...........

[cuteguy]

I find it somewhat surprising that many celebrities and people in the social limelight can get tested and in some cases not just once but more than twice or four times as was the case for Richard Wilkins when there is a shortage of test kits for the rest of the general population. :surprise:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8169449/Richard-Wilkins-hits-fans-slam-tested-coronavirus-FOUR-TIMES.html

[Riff888]

So can you visit say your girlfriend?70469

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[yug]

Amen to that...........

Have to agree with God Member.
When this blows over, brace yourself for another china-inflicted virus upon the world in about 10 years.
Sorry! Let me rephrase that: Brace yourself for another Chinese government's negligence that causes another virus to let loose in 10 years.

[cuteguy]

The latest Australian figures are showing women in the 20-29 age group have the highest rate of infection now. Most WLs and MLs are in this age group.

[AHLUNGOR]

The latest Australian figures are showing women in the 20-29 age group have the highest rate of infection now. Most WLs and MLs are in this age group.

Mate , you forgot about the usual add 10 years norm bro ......... haha

[cuteguy]

Mate , you forgot about the usual add 10 years norm bro ......... haha

Well we know many shops record the ages of their WLs and MLs as being less than their stated age but many girls are still in the 20-29 age group.

[Raybo]

A relevant read in The Spectator. Yes, it would be just if the CCP paid the world back. Three viruses they've let loose on us in the 21st century!

"In Australia alone, confronting the Wuhan virus crisis has meant a $3 billion clinical response, and $200 billon, so far, in economic stimulus to keep businesses going. Britain is putting an extra £30 billion into its National Health Service alone. The costs of enforcing shutdowns and lockouts across the world will also be astronomical. And these are just direct costs, not the dire economic catastrophe unfolding as whole industries crash, jobs are lost, share markets plummet and daily life is upended (more toilet paper, anyone?). Almost certainly, coronavirus soon will bring Australia recession after nearly thirty years, achieving what even the 2008 Global Financial Crisis could not.

Being brutally frank: all this global disruption and misery originates with the communist Chinese regime. Xi’s government owed a moral duty not just to his people but the whole world to do all it could to contain the outbreak at the outset. As with bird flu and SARS, however, it put covering its own backside and saving face ahead of the lives of its own citizens and the well-being of the rest of the world. Yet from the Chinese leadership there has been no regret, no taking any responsibility for what originated under its authoritarian control. Instead it brands any criticism, even merely pointing out Wuhan being the virus’s Ground Zero, as racist and xenophobic.

Xi’s ‘up yours’ to the rest of the world is appallingly immoral. From its lax regulation of wet markets that enabled the first human case of Wuhan virus, for its incompetence, and especially its initial cover-up that denied other nations precious time to prepare, Xi’s regime is culpable. Applying principles of common law negligence, it grossly breached its duty of care to those to whom it was owed: all of us. The worldwide pandemic consequences of Chinese government malfeasance were reasonably foreseeable, even if the massive scale of the economic, social and political damage is worse than ever can have been imagined. Xi’s regime must be held accountable morally and politically, if not legally.

If this was a case under Australian law, the perpetrator of such culpable negligence would be liable to pay huge damages to all suffering catastrophic loss from their actions and possibly face criminal charges too. As the world faces Wuhan virus-induced recession or worse, and people die in their thousands, why shouldn’t Mr Morrison, President Trump and other world leaders calculate the damage the Chinese regime’s negligence has wrought, and send Comrade Xi the most gigantic reparations bill in the history of mankind? He deserves it and his discredited, despotic government should be made to pay it."

Whilst this for the most part is true, vast majority of countries are guilty of not taking enough action quickly. Any misguided retaliation against China could mean war of the likes we have never seen. This would be far more devastating than Covid-19.

[GoldfishMan]

A relevant read in The Spectator. Yes, it would be just if the CCP paid the world back. Three viruses they've let loose on us in the 21st century!

"In Australia alone, confronting the Wuhan virus crisis has meant a $3 billion clinical response, and $200 billon, so far, in economic stimulus to keep businesses going. Britain is putting an extra £30 billion into its National Health Service alone. The costs of enforcing shutdowns and lockouts across the world will also be astronomical. And these are just direct costs, not the dire economic catastrophe unfolding as whole industries crash, jobs are lost, share markets plummet and daily life is upended (more toilet paper, anyone?). Almost certainly, coronavirus soon will bring Australia recession after nearly thirty years, achieving what even the 2008 Global Financial Crisis could not.

Being brutally frank: all this global disruption and misery originates with the communist Chinese regime. Xi’s government owed a moral duty not just to his people but the whole world to do all it could to contain the outbreak at the outset. As with bird flu and SARS, however, it put covering its own backside and saving face ahead of the lives of its own citizens and the well-being of the rest of the world. Yet from the Chinese leadership there has been no regret, no taking any responsibility for what originated under its authoritarian control. Instead it brands any criticism, even merely pointing out Wuhan being the virus’s Ground Zero, as racist and xenophobic.

Xi’s ‘up yours’ to the rest of the world is appallingly immoral. From its lax regulation of wet markets that enabled the first human case of Wuhan virus, for its incompetence, and especially its initial cover-up that denied other nations precious time to prepare, Xi’s regime is culpable. Applying principles of common law negligence, it grossly breached its duty of care to those to whom it was owed: all of us. The worldwide pandemic consequences of Chinese government malfeasance were reasonably foreseeable, even if the massive scale of the economic, social and political damage is worse than ever can have been imagined. Xi’s regime must be held accountable morally and politically, if not legally.

If this was a case under Australian law, the perpetrator of such culpable negligence would be liable to pay huge damages to all suffering catastrophic loss from their actions and possibly face criminal charges too. As the world faces Wuhan virus-induced recession or worse, and people die in their thousands, why shouldn’t Mr Morrison, President Trump and other world leaders calculate the damage the Chinese regime’s negligence has wrought, and send Comrade Xi the most gigantic reparations bill in the history of mankind? He deserves it and his discredited, despotic government should be made to pay it."
When your house burns down because your next door neighbour had a fire and you did not install sprinklers in your house, can you blame your neighbour for "not doing a good enough job of keeping the fire away from your house"?
Since early Jan, the Chinese actions in Wuhan have been all over the news. Hell, this very forum thread started way back on 23 Jan. We all saw how massive the reaction was in China. Everybody saw how bad it was.
Did Trump do anything about it? Did Scomo do anything? What about the Govs of other Western countries?
On the other hand, look at what the Govs of other Asian countries started doing, way before any of the complacent Western countries started to worry.
No sir, the real culprit for where we are right now was the complacency of the Western countries.... Time to own up to it!

[Climax598]

When your house burns down because your next door neighbour had a fire and you did not install sprinklers in your house, can you blame your neighbour for "not doing a good enough job of keeping the fire away from your house"?
Since early Jan, the Chinese actions in Wuhan have been all over the news. Hell, this very forum thread started way back on 23 Jan. We all saw how massive the reaction was in China. Everybody saw how bad it was.
Did Trump do anything about it? Did Scomo do anything? What about the Govs of other Western countries?
On the other hand, look at what the Govs of other Asian countries started doing, way before any of the complacent Western countries started to worry.
No sir, the real culprit for where we are right now was the complacency of the Western countries.... Time to own up to it!
Relax and comfortable. She will be right. It wouldn't happen to us. Well well how wrong. Well Bill Gates have warn a few years back.

[jimbonz]

And yet the USA’s pitiful response has seen them become the world leader in infections because of their glorious leader. MAGA!!!
Also look forward to the US paying reparations to Vietnam and Laos (who they were never officially at war with) for the damage done with napalm and still unexploded ordinance.

So your defense is "but USA bad"? Incidentally this is also the play the CCP is using.


Whilst this for the most part is true, vast majority of countries are guilty of not taking enough action quickly. Any misguided retaliation against China could mean war of the likes we have never seen. This would be far more devastating than Covid-19.

Would countries have taken action more quickly if China didn't:
1. Silence the doctors trying to warn people
2. Covered up the situation for weeks
3. Lies about human to human transmission
4. Cried "racist" when countries wanted to stop flights to and from China

[moz]

Did Trump do anything about it? Did Scomo do anything? What about the Govs of other Western countries? !

Both stopped inbound travellers from China - at great political and economic cost.

Unfortunately Italy and Spain didn't, so the US copped it anyway second hand.

While Japan and Singapore made good early strides, there numbers are now looking on an exponential increase. Only South Korea and China seem to have done it effectively.

[SexyBoi]

So can you visit say your girlfriend?70469

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The list doesn’t say you can visit family, loved ones or friends real or otherwise lol I think that is the primary reason the list is for, to stop the virus from spreading. Bummer as I was about to go and see a private this week. I saw it also on tv that if you are going out of your house and get flagged by the police and you don’t have a valid reason (see list above) you are going to cop a fine or imprisonment. No thanks. I’ll stay put and just see ms. Palmer. How many punts would that be if you paid the fine. Too much of a risk!

[asiafever]

Both stopped inbound travellers from China - at great political and economic cost.

Unfortunately Italy and Spain didn't, so the US copped it anyway second hand.

While Japan and Singapore made good early strides, there numbers are now looking on an exponential increase. Only South Korea and China seem to have done it effectively.

Taiwan. You're ignoring how well Taiwan have handled it.
Hardly surprising given the CHO (let's not call them the WHO given how hard they bend over to appease Chinese interests) have suppressed that info.

And are we really believing China's reporting of figures? As Jimbonz said, China's record in this whole sorry affair is appalling. The blame for how quickly this deteriorated lies squarely on their shoulders. How each country has handled it is due to misinformation from the outset. Taiwan and Singapore as examples had seen SARS etc previously and acted quickly based on their own history with previous disease outbreaks. South Korea too.

Morrison etc actually went against WHO advice and Chinas fist waving by closing travel from China when they did. Can you imagine what it would be like if they hadn't and appeased China?
There are videos and reports emerging daily from within China suggesting it ain't all as rosy as they would have us believe. So who do we believe, a dishonest authoritarian regime that will silence any who disagree with their rhetoric, or social media and all that entails in regards to fake news etc?

[cuteguy]

Taiwan. You're ignoring how well Taiwan have handled it.
Hardly surprising given the CHO (let's not call them the WHO given how hard they bend over to appease Chinese interests) have suppressed that info.

And are we really believing China's reporting of figures? As Jimbonz said, China's record in this whole sorry affair is appalling. The blame for how quickly this deteriorated lies squarely on their shoulders. How each country has handled it is due to misinformation from the outset. Taiwan and Singapore as examples had seen SARS etc previously and acted quickly based on their own history with previous disease outbreaks. South Korea too.

Morrison etc actually went against WHO advice and Chinas fist waving by closing travel from China when they did. Can you imagine what it would be like if they hadn't and appeased China?
There are videos and reports emerging daily from within China suggesting it ain't all as rosy as they would have us believe. So who do we believe, a dishonest authoritarian regime that will silence any who disagree with their rhetoric, or social media and all that entails in regards to fake news etc?

The latest report is that the US has overtaken China as having the highest number of infected cases. Now news has surfaced that the Chinese government was not reporting correct numbers of positive cases. If the person was positive but asymptomatic, then it was not recorded as an infected case. What the hell! Just typical of a communist regime misleading its own people and the world of what is really going on.

[studsg]

Taiwan. You're ignoring how well Taiwan have handled it.
Hardly surprising given the CHO (let's not call them the WHO given how hard they bend over to appease Chinese interests) have suppressed that info.

And are we really believing China's reporting of figures? As Jimbonz said, China's record in this whole sorry affair is appalling. The blame for how quickly this deteriorated lies squarely on their shoulders. How each country has handled it is due to misinformation from the outset. Taiwan and Singapore as examples had seen SARS etc previously and acted quickly based on their own history with previous disease outbreaks. South Korea too.

Morrison etc actually went against WHO advice and Chinas fist waving by closing travel from China when they did. Can you imagine what it would be like if they hadn't and appeased China?
There are videos and reports emerging daily from within China suggesting it ain't all as rosy as they would have us believe. So who do we believe, a dishonest authoritarian regime that will silence any who disagree with their rhetoric, or social media and all that entails in regards to fake news etc?

I'm also getting lots of so called reports from chinese wechat groups and whatsapp groups. But everytime anyone ask about the source of that "news" everyone says it from a friend who forwarded it from another friend, etc. No one has actually seen it with their own eyes.

I know there are lots of anti-chinese sentiments in the forum. So saying this will draw me flak. But all I'm saying is even if the news is for anywhere else, whether it's India, Indonesia, etc. Unless there are validated sources. We shouldn't just accept it as the truth.

Reminds of a conversation I had with the grand parents of some Malaysian friends. They say the Japanese are the worst since they lived through the occupation. They hate the Japanese, etc. And then they go back to driving their Toyotas, cooking rice with their Panasonic rice cooker and watching TV on their Sony.... ;)

[Riff888]

This is my mum right now70472

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[Climax598]

I'm also getting lots of so called reports from chinese wechat groups and whatsapp groups. But everytime anyone ask about the source of that "news" everyone says it from a friend who forwarded it from another friend, etc. No one has actually seen it with their own eyes.

I know there are lots of anti-chinese sentiments in the forum. So saying this will draw me flak. But all I'm saying is even if the news is for anywhere else, whether it's India, Indonesia, etc. Unless there are validated sources. We shouldn't just accept it as the truth.

Reminds of a conversation I had with the grand parents of some Malaysian friends. They say the Japanese are the worst since they lived through the occupation. They hate the Japanese, etc. And then they go back to driving their Toyotas, cooking rice with their Panasonic rice cooker and watching TV on their Sony.... ;)
Ya! What will happen if China withdrawn their girls we will be in deep fuck big shit.

[asiafever]

https://youtu.be/XpHVrrIWe_o

Worth a watch.

The problem with waiting for validated sources out of China is, it is China. As the above link goes through, those who dissent disappear. Those who blow the whistle are dealt with. I agree we can't believe everything thrown at us, but perhaps we split the middle, and even then it paints a dire picture of what has happened and is happening.

[studsg]

This is my mum right now70472

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Lol... had a big laugh with that one.... so true :)

[asiafever]

Lol... had a big laugh with that one.... so true :)

Every mum I know on wechat!

[studsg]

Ya! What will happen if China withdrawn their girls we will be in deep fuck big shit.

Lol... for punters on a punter forum... imagine if they start blocking the supply of our MLs and WLs.... OMG!

[Raybo]

Would countries have taken action more quickly if China didn't:
1. Silence the doctors trying to warn people
2. Covered up the situation for weeks
3. Lies about human to human transmission
4. Cried "racist" when countries wanted to stop flights to and from China

China can't take on the world yet. Yes they are a proud nation. I seriously worry about WWIII if the world starts playing the blame game on China.....

[halfway]

China can't take on the world yet. Yes they are a proud nation. I seriously worry about WWIII if the world starts playing the blame game on China.....

Yes now is not the right time to be doing this.....

[Kowabunga]

You do know what exponential growth means?

US is at 100k infected and 1500 deaths.
By next weekend probably 250k and 3500 deaths

Unfortunately ... you are well on track.

[Poonhound69]

Yes now is not the right time to be doing this.....

But they must be held accountable.

[asiafever]

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/intentionally-incomplete-us-intelligence-says-china-concealed-extent-of-outbreak-20200402-p54gbm.html



“The claim that the United States has more coronavirus deaths than China is false,” Senator Ben Sasse, a Nebraska Republican, said in a statement after Bloomberg News published its report. “Without commenting on any classified information, this much is painfully obvious: The Chinese Communist Party has lied, is lying, and will continue to lie about coronavirus to protect the regime.”

[halfway]

But they must be held accountable.

Yes 100% agree.

I read somewhere that China supplies 80% of medicine to the world !!!! If that is true then we all need to wait untill we no longer rely on China before going Ham on them:)

[Climax598]

Yes 100% agree.

I read somewhere that China supplies 80% of medicine to the world !!!! If that is true then we all need to wait untill we no longer rely on China before going Ham on them:)
China supply 80% of the girls in Australia !!!!. Not medicine. It some thing stupid and fack news you read.

[HighFlyer]

I was thinking if there is Dr here that can answer.. what about transmission via BBBJ ? (eg Glory hole type situation where the only contact was with the dick through a wall or receiver wearing mask etc).

[AHLUNGOR]

News about Australian medical scientists are starting to test the anti virus drugs on animals, human testing is still a few months away.

I guess China probably won’t be hesitated to test on human right from the start ? Or should there be plenty of dying patients who would willingly donate their life’s and bodies to the mother land ? And became a national hero !

[jimbonz]

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/intentionally-incomplete-us-intelligence-says-china-concealed-extent-of-outbreak-20200402-p54gbm.html



“The claim that the United States has more coronavirus deaths than China is false,” Senator Ben Sasse, a Nebraska Republican, said in a statement after Bloomberg News published its report. “Without commenting on any classified information, this much is painfully obvious: The Chinese Communist Party has lied, is lying, and will continue to lie about coronavirus to protect the regime.”

Good, more people need to call the CCP out. Who actually believes there are ZERO new cases in China? Because if you do, I got a bridge to sell you.

[AHLUNGOR]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-vaccine-human-trial-covid19-immunity-hopes/12067024

Thanks, good to see many countries are fast tracking in the testing !

[mkkid]

Brother Ah, When this is all over, the price of rnt will go up because all these horn guys will be coming out in force.

[AHLUNGOR]

Brother Ah, When this is all over, the price of rnt will go up because all these horn guys will be coming out in force.


May be, may be not ?

Let's not forget lots of people would have been hurting, lost of jobs, lost of income, mounting debts, max out credit cards etc. etc. yeah, some punters will definitely go crazy but some other may not, or some could be very much wanting to but either can't afford it or recovering from sickness. in the end, supply and demand will sort things out.

All the existing MLs in Sydney would be dying for business and income which may not be a bad things. so many factors of unknown, we'll see. first and foremost is to stay safe and healthy and live to see the daylights on the other side.

Cheers everyone and keep fighting fit !!

[mkkid]

Private girls - like the one who lives in my apartment complex - continue to work

[cuteguy]

Good, more people need to call the CCP out. Who actually believes there are ZERO new cases in China? Because if you do, I got a bridge to sell you.

US Intelligence agencies have stated it bluntly, China's figures were 'fake' since the communist officials have downplayed both the number of cases and deaths thereby undermining the world's capacity to respond to the pandemic swiftly. The virus started in Wuhun in December 2019 but it was not until January 20, 2020 that China publicly admitted the virus could spread from human to human, the same day President Xi Jinping finally made a public statement outlining a response to the disease. By suppressing the information for weeks that the virus was contagious, China robbed the rest of the world of time it could have utilised to prepare for the pandemic. Even now, the Chinese Government figures cannot be trusted. For a population close to 1.4 billion, China has reported 81,554 cases of the virus and 3,312 deaths with numbers barely rising in a month. The government claims local transmission has all but stopped. On the other hand, there are countries like the US, Italy and Spain who have confirmed cases surge past 100,000. If the world is to win the war against this invisible enemy, all countries need to be upfront with real figures and not mislead others.

[jimbonz]

Lol, US intelligence. The US and Australia and many other countries still did fuck all once they were warned about the virus months ago. You think they would’ve acted with an extra month?

Yes, without a doubt the situation would be MUCH better with an extra month. ESPECIALLY if China didn't lie about human to human transmission. You seem to have memory holed CCP/WHO/mainstream media were crying racist when the US wanted to stop flights from China. Remember China actively tried to keep flights open as long as possible.

[God Member]

The virus started in Wuhun in December 2019 but it was not until January 20, 2020 that China publicly admitted the virus could spread from human to human. By suppressing the information for weeks that the virus was contagious, China robbed the rest of the world of time it could have utilised to prepare for the pandemic.

It is far worse than that. If they hadn't silenced in December those doctors trying to warn them about it they could have stopped the spread of it completely. Never mind giving the world time to prepare - none of us would be in this boat at all! Including China! Fucking idiots.

[God Member]

Fucking idiots.

On the other hand, I know my angry ranting on an obscure punters' forum is going to have, like, zero effect on the geo-political situation. :bad_smile:

[studsg]

Lol, US intelligence. The US and Australia and many other countries still did fuck all once they were warned about the virus months ago. You think they would’ve acted with an extra month?Absolutely agree. Look at Trump... It's just the flu... Let's get everyone back to work by Easter... Bad leadership won't be changed even with an extra month or 2.

The whole world had the same notice. Not everyone did as badly, look at Taiwan, Macau, Hong Kong, Singapore. Even Germany has done more than 500k tests and growing, the Swiss too.

Talking about hiding facts, no one does it better than us intelligence:
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN20Y2LM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KbcqyzNLa-s

And this is why the Chinese figures with WHO members onsite are believable as shown in Italy. Source is Reuters:
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN21I3I8

[jimbonz]

So once notified, governments were slow to act because “MSM” said it was racist? Seriously? When has that ever stopped governments acting? They just didn’t think it was that serious. Morrison was still planning to go to the football and let Hillsong have a massive conference!

Stop deflecting. How were other countries meant to prepare when China was actively hiding facts and spreading lies? It's like the weather man telling you it's going to be sunny, then when it starts raining he has the gall to tell you "why didn't you prepare?"

[jimbonz]

Deflecting from what? It’s more like the weather man telling you it’s been raining for a month but you still take two more months to put up an umbrella.

Again:
1. Silence the doctors trying to warn people
2. Covered up the situation for weeks
3. Lies about human to human transmission
4. Cried "racist" when countries wanted to stop flights to and from China

Just because you choose to ignore the facts doesn't mean they didn't happen. China did not warn other countries, China went out of its way to hide the facts and lie.

[quackm2002]

Feel free to find all the excuses you want as to why western countries did fuck all. At the end of the day, they were simply asleep at the wheel and negligent. The US had doctors on the ground there with various health organisations who would have been reporting back but they were ignored. US Intelligence would have had absolute first hand information on what was happening.

Any idiot could see what countries like Japan, Korea, Singapore etc were doing almost immediately in response but western countries ignored it completely. Why - your view is because the Chinese didn’t say it was serious? Really?

If anything, the view was that those countries were overreacting or put another way, look at all those idiot gooks with their mask on. We’re continuing with our rock concerts and sporting events. Morrison actually thought it was important to squeeze one more weekend of rugby league in on 13-15 March.

I went out and purchased a dozen N95s as soon as I read the Chinese Government had locked Wuhan down. That was in late January. Anyone with even 1/4 of a brain knows we live in a global world. I’ve got two of my staff from Hubei. Within a few days, significant numbers of Asians in Sydney were wearing masks. What was it they knew that our government didn’t?

There’s some seven weeks there - way more than the month you refer to and what did western governments do in that time when they could see Chinese dying in the hundreds? Sweet fuck all. They continued to let cruise ships land even after the Diamond Princess and you are still trying to make excuses and blame the Chinese?

Don’t get me wrong - I despise the Chinese government but on this matter, the mess we are in on this in the west can largely be laid at our own feet.

[Assandlegs]

Maybe it was done on purpose to fuck the worlds economy... Which has been done successfullyAll I can say is Globalisation is a bitch...

[Climax598]

Feel free to find all the excuses you want as to why western countries did fuck all. At the end of the day, they were simply asleep at the wheel and negligent. The US had doctors on the ground there with various health organisations who would have been reporting back but they were ignored. US Intelligence would have had absolute first hand information on what was happening.

Any idiot could see what countries like Japan, Korea, Singapore etc were doing almost immediately in response but western countries ignored it completely. Why - your view is because the Chinese didn’t say it was serious? Really?

If anything, the view was that those countries were overreacting or put another way, look at all those idiot gooks with their mask on. We’re continuing with our rock concerts and sporting events. Morrison actually thought it was important to squeeze one more weekend of rugby league in on 13-15 March.

I went out and purchased a dozen N95s as soon as I read the Chinese Government had locked Wuhan down. That was in late January. Anyone with even 1/4 of a brain knows we live in a global world. I’ve got two of my staff from Hubei. Within a few days, significant numbers of Asians in Sydney were wearing masks. What was it they knew that our government didn’t?

There’s some seven weeks there - way more than the month you refer to and what did western governments do in that time when they could see Chinese dying in the hundreds? Sweet fuck all. They continued to let cruise ships land even after the Diamond Princess and you are still trying to make excuses and blame the Chinese?

Don’t get me wrong - I despise the Chinese government but on this matter, the mess we are in on this in the west can largely be laid at our own feet.
Nicely written and good analysis. Don't forget Taiwan. We are just relax and comfortable. She will be right mate. That's the attitude look at Bondi Beach a good one and Ruby Cruise.

[quackm2002]

Yes, Taiwan was included in the etc but I should have called them out first seeing they have managed this as well if not better than anyone else.

[jimbonz]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/noam-chomsky-coronavirus-pandemic-prevented-200403113823259.html?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Tr ending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

https://www.dailywire.com/news/tom-cotton-china-lying-about-magnitude-origin-of-coronavirus-worse-than-chernobyl

[quackm2002]

I think I need only rest my case in response to that article.

[jimbonz]

Lol. The Daily Wire, a Republican senator and Fox News.
At least Fox hasn’t been downplaying the virus.
https://youtu.be/AT8gY9EkBBQ

Lol. Aljazeera + Noam Chomsky. Wanna just go the full monty and post CNN?

[jimbonz]

No to CNN but Al Jazeera and Noam Chomsky are reputable sources although admittedly not presenting the world view that you see through your neoliberal lenses.

Noam Chomsky is a far left self-described anarcho-socialist, his views are about as "reputable" as ... China's virus information.

[mkkid]

CNN still is vastly superior to Fox News and SMH for that matter.

[quackm2002]

So anyone you don’t like has no credibility but the right wing views that you adore do?

[jimbonz]

So anyone you don’t like has no credibility but the right wing views that you adore do?


The Daily Wire is a neoliberal conspiracy theory blog and I don’t think I have to say anything about Fox News...

Pot. Kettle. etc.

Also, I'm not the one that started attacking sources instead of arguing the points raised in the article. Much like the situation at hand, you'd prefer to blame governments other than the one that start this whole thing and then made it worse by lying about it.

[Climax598]

Made it worse by lying about it...
https://youtu.be/AT8gY9EkBBQ
Good bless the asshole and who reported the fack news??????. Who is lying to their own people ?????. The red neck must be thinking is a Chinese virus now blaming Chinaaa!!!! For not telling the world. 28 Feb 2020 no dead today figure????

[quackm2002]

If you want to apply pot/kettle arguments, you better take a long hard look in the mirror first. How would you describe your comments about Noam Chomsky?

The point I am making is your arguments are pointless as are almost completely redundant. What you are suggesting is to focus efforts on blaming the Chinese instead of putting energies into solving the problem.

You’ve made no attempt to respond to the fact that western governments were slow to respond in comparison to their Asian counterparts. Instead, you’re still harping on about blame the Chinese because they lied. Ok, I’ll concede you that point. There is no doubt that they lied. You probably worship Trump as a bastion of truth?

Are you honestly still trying to argue that western governments should bear no culpability for their abysmally slow response?

Can you explain the death toll in Japan versus that of Italy or Spain or the USA? What did the Japanese know that these other countries did not or was it just common sense?

Is your hatred of Chinese driven simply by a political ideology or something deeper and darker?

[jimbonz]

If you want to apply pot/kettle arguments, you better take a long hard look in the mirror first. How would you describe your comments about Noam Chomsky?


Again, do you have selective reading? I'm not the one that started this whole attack the source charade. I'm merely poking tongue-in-cheek at your attempts to deflect and derail, much like this post.



The point I am making is your arguments are pointless as are almost completely redundant. What you are suggesting is to focus efforts on blaming the Chinese instead of putting energies into solving the problem.


Stop moving the goal post, the argument was world governments were too slow to react. I countered with China hindered those reactions by covering up the outbreak, even going so far as to trying to keep flights open.


You’ve made no attempt to respond to the fact that western governments were slow to respond in comparison to their Asian counterparts. Instead, you’re still harping on about blame the Chinese because they lied. Ok, I’ll concede you that point. There is no doubt that they lied. You probably worship Trump as a bastion of truth?

Are you honestly still trying to argue that western governments should bear no culpability for their abysmally slow response?


See above, you're still deflecting and not answering the question; again (if you decide to turn off your selective reading) how effective would other government's responses be if China didn't coverup and lie about the outbreak? You're blaming the fireman for arriving to your house late instead of the person (read: China) who took a flamethrower to your house then tried to prevent the fire truck from getting to your house.


Is your hatred of Chinese driven simply by a political ideology or something deeper and darker?

Classic CCP textbook move; deflect and derail when you have no defense. Playing the racism card, again. At what point did I mention it was the people's fault? I specifically mentioned the party/CCP. Going by your logic, your critical comments of the other world governments, is it driven by your hatred of their people? Ideology? Or something more sinister and darker?

[wilisno]

Again, do you have selective reading? I'm not the one that started this whole attack the source charade. I'm merely poking tongue-in-cheek at your attempts to deflect and derail, much like this post.



Stop moving the goal post, the argument was world governments were too slow to react. I countered with China hindered those reactions by covering up the outbreak, even going so far as to trying to keep flights open.



See above, you're still deflecting and not answering the question; again (if you decide to turn off your selective reading) how effective would other government's responses be if China didn't coverup and lie about the outbreak? You're blaming the fireman for arriving to your house late instead of the person (read: China) who took a flamethrower to your house then tried to prevent the fire truck from getting to your house.



Classic CCP textbook move; deflect and derail when you have no defense. Playing the racism card, again. At what point did I mention it was the people's fault? I specifically mentioned the party/CCP. Going by your logic, your critical comments of the other world governments, is it driven by your hatred of their people? Ideology? Or something more sinister and darker?

You keep repeating the China coverup information point, it has been addressed and answered on this thread ! You need a babysitter for guidance !

[studsg]

Such strong anti-chinese sentiments.... so all to the one point. The Chinese doctors who made a fuss were not taken seriously at the start. So with all the intelligence of the greatest country in the world (quoting Trump)... what did they do with the information from these doctors ??

[jimbonz]

You keep repeating the China coverup information point, it has been addressed and answered on this thread ! You need a babysitter for guidance !

Unnecessarily childish attack? (pun intended)


Such strong anti-chinese sentiments.... so all to the one point. The Chinese doctors who made a fuss were not taken seriously at the start. So with all the intelligence of the greatest country in the world (quoting Trump)... what did they do with the information from these doctors ??

Anti-government coverup. Just so it's clear, I'm on the side of the doctors (they were chinese last time I checked) that were silenced by the party. Second part, we back to "america bad" again? This whole thing could've been avoided if China had just said "hey guys we have a problem" instead of trying to "save face". Dare I say it, those doctors might still be alive.

[wilisno]

Unnecessarily childish attack? (pun intended)



Anti-government coverup. Just so it's clear, I'm on the side of the doctors (they were chinese last time I checked) that were silenced by the party. Second part, we back to "america bad" again? This whole thing could've been avoided if China had just said "hey guys we have a problem" instead of trying to "save face". Dare I say it, those doctors might still be alive.

The Chinese leaders were the first ones to confront this information, it’s a decision that would bring the world’s economy down, you can’t make such a decision based on a few “ experts “ advise, so the hesitation was understandable. But after the Wuhan lockdown, if that’s still not clear to the world, what is ?

Lying about the number of infections ? What difference does it make ? If China said they had 50000 deaths but in fact they had 100000 deaths, would any country change their way to protect their citizens ?

[jimbonz]

The Chinese leaders were the first ones to confront this information, it’s a decision that would bring the world’s economy down, you can’t make such a decision based on a few “ experts “ advise, so the hesitation was understandable. But after the Wuhan lockdown, if that’s still not clear to the world, what is ?

Lying about the number of infections ? What difference does it make ? If China said they had 50000 deaths but in fact they had 100000 deaths, would any country change their way to protect their citizens ?

Come on, the "few experts" were the doctors on the front line that got silenced and died trying to warn others (RIP). And it wasn't the lying about the numbers that hampered the response I mean stuff like this (from a left publication for those saying I have political bias): https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/01/31/trump-weighs-tighter-china-travel-restrictions-response-coronavirus/

"China’s Foreign Ministry criticized the United States for making “unfriendly comments” during the coronavirus outbreak and said a U.S. warning against travel to China went against recommendations made by the World Health Organization to not restrict travel or trade. “In disregard of WHO recommendation against travel restrictions, the US went the opposite way,”

China and CHO (thanks Japan, I'll be borrowing this one) went out of their way to slow other countries taking effective measures.

[wilisno]

Come on, the "few experts" were the doctors on the front line that got silenced and died trying to warn others (RIP). And it wasn't the lying about the numbers that hampered the response I mean stuff like this (from a left publication for those saying I have political bias): https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/01/31/trump-weighs-tighter-china-travel-restrictions-response-coronavirus/

"China’s Foreign Ministry criticized the United States for making “unfriendly comments” during the coronavirus outbreak and said a U.S. warning against travel to China went against recommendations made by the World Health Organization to not restrict travel or trade. “In disregard of WHO recommendation against travel restrictions, the US went the opposite way,”

China and CHO (thanks Japan, I'll be borrowing this one) went out of their way to slow other countries taking effective measures.

Just look at other countries that reacted promptly regardless of your useless excuse, namely Japan, HongKong, Macau, Singapore, Vietnam etc, they flare much better now. Get a babysitter !

[jimbonz]

Just look at other countries that reacted promptly regardless of your useless excuse, namely Japan, HongKong, Macau, Singapore, Vietnam

Nice. But I can cherry pick too, what about Spain? Italy? Germany? France?


Get a babysitter !

Solid defense/argument.

[mkkid]

boy oh boy oh boy ... what china has done is nothing compared to the level of gross incompetence seen in the west.

[studsg]

Unnecessarily childish attack? (pun intended)



Anti-government coverup. Just so it's clear, I'm on the side of the doctors (they were chinese last time I checked) that were silenced by the party. Second part, we back to "america bad" again? This whole thing could've been avoided if China had just said "hey guys we have a problem" instead of trying to "save face". Dare I say it, those doctors might still be alive.

no one knew what the virus was about when those few doctors found "something". So you are expecting the entire country of 1.3 Billion to drop everything and go into emergency measures ?? This reminds me when I was consulting for one of the 4 major banks, I detailed and presented a report that there was an issue with their tech system. Did they jump onto it ? Did I get a big round of applause ? No ! They threw the report away. fast forward 2 years, I hear they had the very same glitch I had called out. Hit the news. Do you think they would think about the original report that told them that ? Should I call the banks the equal of the China govt ? it's just the reality of the world, it's the same everywhere in every organisation regardless of colour. That dream state doesn't exist...

[wilisno]

Nice. But I can cherry pick too, what about Spain? Italy? Germany? France?



Solid defense/argument.
The cherry-picking defence shows what a child you are !
Picking the countries that suffer most because they were slow to respond !

[jimbonz]

no one knew what the virus was about when those few doctors found "something". So you are expecting the entire country of 1.3 Billion to drop everything and go into emergency measures ??

How did you jump from not silencing and shaming the doctors to shutdown everything? That's quite the stretch.


The cherry-picking defence shows what a child you are !

The irony of name calling and saying the other person is a child...


Picking the countries that suffer most because they were slow to respond !

Well considering you're the one picking "countries", some of which have their numbers go through the party...

[wilisno]

How did you jump from not silencing and shaming the doctors to shutdown everything? That's quite the stretch.



The irony of name calling and saying the other person is a child...



Well considering you're the one picking "countries", some of which have their numbers go through the party...

I was showing you the countries that didn’t need baby sitters and acted quickly, and you responded with countries that did the opposite and suffered the consequences.

Clearly you’re a child, name well deserved.

[jimbonz]

I was showing you the countries that didn’t need baby sitters and acted quickly, and you responded with countries that did the opposite and suffered the consequences.

Clearly you’re a child, name well deserved.

You cherry picked countries with totalitarian regimes that fudge numbers and city state. Clearly representative of the world environment. Yet you still can't answer; were the countries that reacted slowly because of misinformation fed to them?

And your "childish" name calling, surely helping your cause.

[wilisno]

You cherry picked countries with totalitarian regimes that fudge numbers and city state. Clearly representative of the world environment. Yet you still can't answer; were the countries that reacted slowly because of misinformation fed to them?

A child with prejudice will always say others are lying, only those he blindly believes are telling the truth, like President Trump !

Japan a totallitarian state ?

[jimbonz]

A child with prejudice will always say others are lying, only those he blindly believes are telling the truth, like President Trump !

Japan a totallitarian state ?

Of course Japan is excluded from the totalitarian list. Japan with one of the best health infrastructures in the world and a population that reacts to disasters better than any other (see post EQ/tsunami). So that leaves your list of umm.. very questionable pick of "countries". And we're back to ad hominem and putting words in others' mouths, que: racist, blah, trump, blah, etc. For an "adult" your debating skills need work.

[wilisno]

Of course Japan is excluded from the totalitarian list. Japan with one of the best health infrastructures in the world and a population that reacts to disasters better than any other (see post EQ/tsunami). And we're back to ad hominem and putting words in others' mouths, que: racist, blah, trump, blah, etc. For an "adult" your debating skills need work.
Haha ! You can’t even cover your own mistakes calling Japan a totalitarian state ! And you still think you can debate ?

Get a babysitter !

[jimbonz]

Haha ! You can’t even cover your own mistakes calling Japan a totalitarian state ! And you still think you can debate ?

Get a babysitter !

Ironically debating with you is like debating a child, a constant flow of childish name calling and smearing instead of debating the points raised. I'll see what I can do about getting you that babysitter.

[wilisno]

Ironically debating with you is like debating a child, a constant flow of childish name calling and smearing instead of debating the points raised. I'll see what I can do about getting you that babysitter.

I have no patience with child that’s full of prejudice, there’s no debating at all, after so many replies pointing out your flaw to blame the misinformation and caused the delay to respond, you still hanging on the only life saving thread without any new reason to go on. That’s not debate, that’s trolling !
Yeah, blame it on others.

[jimbonz]

I have no patience with child that’s full of prejudice, there’s no debating at all, after so many replies pointing out your flaw to blame the misinformation and caused the delay to respond, you still hanging on the only life saving thread without any new reason to go on.

Yeah, blame it on others.

Again, where is this prejudice? You're not debating against view you're just smearing it by calling it "prejudice". Are you prejudice for your critical opinions of other governments? Because by your logic you sure are. I think we're going to have to agree to disagree.

[undeux33333]

I see a lot of people (not just here, in the media, social media, etc) pointing fingers and calling out others for going against a viewpoint they’d previously expressed...

Changing your position on an issue in light of new evidence is simply rational, so why do people take such issue with it?

[wilisno]

Again, where is this prejudice? You're not debating against view you're just smearing it by calling it "prejudice". Are you prejudice for your critical opinions of other governments? Because by your logic you sure are. I think we're going to have to agree to disagree.

In short, child, I’m losing patience with you, if you don’t drop your prejudiced and malicious attack on countries in adversity, you’re not welcome on this forum, it will be reported to admin and you won’t be able to bullshit anymore.

[jimbonz]

In short, child, I’m losing patience with you, if you don’t drop your prejudiced and malicious attack on countries in adversity, you’re not welcome on this forum, it will be reported to admin and you won’t be able to bullshit anymore.

Zzzz, again, which part of that was prejudice or malicious? But agreed, let's just drop it, this is going wildly off on a tangent.

[wilisno]

Zzzz, again, which part of that was prejudice or malicious? But agreed, let's just drop it, this is going wildly off on a tangent.

All of what you said were prejudiced and malicious. Final warning.

[quackm2002]

Yawn, no point arguing with a clown who won’t respond to the issues. I never mentioned a word about racism. You called it on yourself.

Why don’t you just admit it - you have a one-eyed hatred of the Chinese government but anything right wing and you’re sucking cock.

You don’t have a single review on this site. Are you one of those keyboard warriors who gets off hanging around an escort review site fantasising about the reviews you read?

[cuteguy]

The NSW Premier is hopeful that small businesses could start up in May by relaxing current lockdown rules. Let's hope we don't rush into it too quickly that could result in a sudden rise of infected cases.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/coronavirus-australia-gladys-berejiklian-says-nsw-lockdown-will-be-reviewed-monthly/news-story/78e2d72361b449bdb1d62e8e02410587

[yug]

Yawn, no point arguing with a clown who won’t respond to the issues. I never mentioned a word about racism. You called it on yourself.

Why don’t you just admit it - you have a one-eyed hatred of the Chinese government but anything right wing and you’re sucking cock.

You don’t have a single review on this site. Are you one of those keyboard warriors who gets off hanging around an escort review site fantasising about the reviews you read?

I am neither right wing or left wing.

But Sorry to say I am starting to hate Chinese government as well.
How many times will they allow diseases like Coronavirus, SARs, Bird flu to let loose?
And they don't seem all that apologetic either.
I apologized to my neighbor once because the smell of my cooking spread and permeated throughout apartment.


This is going to have a far reaching impact for decades to come.
It's time to close down whatever wet market or research labs they have.
If we are hit with these viruses ever so often, we will be camping out in tents and surviving on scraps.

[cplurt2]

Mers is Middle East respiratory syndrome. Did China move westward?

[yug]

^^ Sorry. Should have mentioned Bird Flu.

[studsg]

Virus are not country not race dependent. Else by your theory there are many countries where virus were 1st identified should be blamed. Ebola, MERS, etc.

By your point we should blame monkeys for Aids and maybe racially vilify them ?

Globalisation isn't invented in China. The rest of the world can jolly choose to not have any travel routes to the country. But that's how the western civilization make use of cheap labour to put billions in their pocket.

Or if you take the case of the nursing home in Macquarie where 5 ppl has now died due to a nurse who came back from Iran going straight to work the next day, the nurse wasn't wrong, there was no order for 14 day self quarantine in place at that time, she needed to work to pay bills, her employers weren't going to pay her otherwise. So do you blame the employers, govt or the very nature of capitalist world order we live in ?

[yug]

Virus are not country not race dependent. Else by your theory there are many countries where virus were 1st identified should be blamed. Ebola, MERS, etc.

By your point we should blame monkeys for Aids and maybe racially vilify them ?

Globalisation isn't invented in China. The rest of the world can jolly choose to not have any travel routes to the country. But that's how the western civilization make use of cheap labour to put billions in their pocket.

Or if you take the case of the nursing home in Macquarie where 5 ppl has now died due to a nurse who came back from Iran going straight to work the next day, the nurse wasn't wrong, there was no order for 14 day self quarantine in place at that time, she needed to work to pay bills, her employers weren't going to pay her otherwise. So do you blame the employers, govt or the very nature of capitalist world order we live in ?

Yeah but Ebola and MERS didn't originate in the same country 3 times.
If it happens in the same country 3 times, it raises eyebrow.

Lets look at the AIDS and monkey analogy you gave.
I would certainly blame the monkey if it had the ability to separate right from wrong and was repeatedly putting other species at risk (despite knowing about it).

Yeah, virus is not country dependent but a country's government can be vigilant and not do things that causes the risk for it to happen again and again.

I am an Australian. If a virus originates here 3 times and then people start to question us, I will happily self-reflect and try to fix the issue.
What would you do? Take it as a luck of the draw and wait for another virus to attack?...You go to the source and try and fix the issue...

By the way, I have clearly said Chinese Government; there is no need to bring race into this.

[studsg]

Yeah but Ebola and MERS didn't originate in the same country 3 times.
If it happens in the same country 3 times, it raises eyebrow.

Lets look at the AIDS and monkey analogy you gave.
I would certainly blame the monkey if it had the ability to separate right from wrong and was repeatedly putting other species at risk (despite knowing about it).

Yeah, virus is not country dependent but a country's government can be vigilant and not do things that causes the risk for it to happen again and again.

I am an Australian. If a virus originates here 3 times and then people start to question us, I will happily self-reflect and try to fix the issue.
What would you do? Take it as a luck of the draw and wait for another virus to attack?...You go to the source and try and fix the issue...

By the way, I have clearly said Chinese Government; there is no need to bring race into this.Act of Nature
What we are talking about here is an act of nature. By mother nature not the Chinese govt. Just like every year there are tons of new flu strains due to mutations and hence we need to get a booster flu vaccine jab every year to innoculate ourselves from these new flu strains. Every now and there there are mutations that are more deadly, like Ebola, MERS, SARS or even Zika, etc.

Govt can't negotiate with monkeys to stop Aids or Mosquitos to stop Zika.

It's not in the power of any govt to be able to stop mutations by mother nature.

Transmission
My 2nd point was about transmission. Globalisation wasn't invented by the Chinese govt. Countries all over the world invented Globalisation to increase profit, tourist dollars, access to low cost manufacturing, etc. But the drawback is we get the virus like SARS, MERS, Zika transmitted all over the world. But we dun go around slamming Brazil, etc because they are just taking part in the Globalisation structure setup for us to gain access to their lower cost products.

[yug]

Act of Nature
What we are talking about here is an act of nature. By mother nature not the Chinese govt. Just like every year there are tons of new flu strains due to mutations and hence we need to get a booster flu vaccine jab every year to innoculate ourselves from these new flu strains. Every now and there there are mutations that are more deadly, like Ebola, MERS, SARS or even Zika, etc.

Govt can't negotiate with monkeys to stop Aids or Mosquitos to stop Zika.

It's not in the power of any govt to be able to stop mutations by mother nature.

Transmission
My 2nd point was about transmission. Globalisation wasn't invented by the Chinese govt. Countries all over the world invented Globalisation to increase profit, tourist dollars, access to low cost manufacturing, etc. But the drawback is we get the virus like SARS, MERS, Zika transmitted all over the world. But we dun go around slamming Brazil, etc because they are just taking part in the Globalisation structure setup for us to gain access to their lower cost products.

You still don't get it, do you?
Nobody is blaming Chinese government for Globalization. And yeah, there are other countries that have spread the virus too.
But, in China, three types of virus have originated already!...If the virus originated in Brazil 3 separate times, I would be criticizing Brazilian government as well. In fact, I do criticize Brazilian government for burning of the rain forest.


Even if the virus is an Act of Nature, it is avoidable.
If the world goes into chaos every time the virus is loose, it's time to do the right thing and close down that which is the potential cause of the virus: wet markets and testing laboratories. Minimize the likelihood of these virus being spread.

Nobody is asking government to stop the mutation of mother nature.
People are asking government to not mess with mother nature; let them be in the forest rather than some meat market; There is a reason they belong in the wild.

True! Government can't negotiate with monkeys.
But Government can negotiate with people who sell those wild monkeys/bats/animals or test them in a lab.
By the way, nobody was insinuating that they negotiate with monkeys; I don't know where you got that idea. There is difference between reading between the lines and making up own lines.


Anyway, I am out.
It's a total waste of time arguing with you.

By your logic, there is zero accountability on anyone and we might as well pack our bags and die with it.

[studsg]

You still don't get it, do you?
Nobody is blaming Chinese government for Globalization. And yeah, there are other countries that have spread the virus too.
But, in China, three types of virus have originated already!...If the virus originated in Brazil 3 separate times, I would be criticizing Brazilian government as well. In fact, I do criticize Brazilian government for burning of the rain forest.


Even if the virus is an Act of Nature, it is avoidable.
If the world goes into chaos every time the virus is loose, it's time to do the right thing and close down that which is the potential cause of the virus: wet markets and testing laboratories. Minimize the likelihood of these virus being spread.

Nobody is asking government to stop the mutation of mother nature.
People are asking government to not mess with mother nature; let them be in the forest rather than some meat market; There is a reason they belong in the wild.

True! Government can't negotiate with monkeys.
But Government can negotiate with people who sell those wild monkeys/bats/animals or test them in a lab.
By the way, nobody was insinuating that they negotiate with monkeys; I don't know where you got that idea. There is difference between reading between the lines and making up own lines.


Anyway, I am out.
It's a total waste of time arguing with you.

By your logic, there is zero accountability on anyone and we might as well pack our bags and die with it.All your points are speculations, that it was the wet market and test labs that created this virus. Where is your proof ??

I should have given up when you said you actually blame the monkeys for Aids. I bet the monkeys understand better than you.

[yug]

I should have given up when you said you actually blame the monkeys for Aids. I bet the monkeys understand better than you.

Yeah, may be.
There is one monkey who doesn't understand better than me though and that's you.

And I didn't say I blame monkeys for AIDS.
I said if Monkeys are able to tell between right and wrong like humans do, then you can blame on Monkeys. Trying to twist my words and turn this on me!
Or you genuinely having trouble understanding words ?

If my points are speculations, then all the news agencies and world media are speculating.
Or is it the first time you are hearing about wet markets and test labs?
And Chinese government itself, at one point, speculated it might have originated from the wet market and quickly closed down the market.
So don't come to me with "Where is your proof?" argument.

Where in the hell have you seen (media or otherwise) blaming it on: "Globalization" and "Forces of Nature" like you did!

[Effindahead]

If I had a gun, I'd shoot both monkeys cos they were arguing for something that's not worth fighting for.
Lol

[Raybo]

I watched this just now. It goes for a bit but if you have a spare hour (who doesn't right) it is worth watching. Some damning accusations and perhaps even evidence against CCP. If you think this is all over when everyone gets physically well, think again. I am not one to look into a crystal ball and predict the future, but I gotta say, things are looking pretty bleak. The world is baying for CCP blood and I can't see CCP taking a backward step.

https://youtu.be/Gdd7dtDaYmM

[Kowabunga]

I have read much commentary regarding where the Covid-19 may have come from, and there are many opinions espoused which do not seem to reference scientific research on this topic.

So I have listed a few of these which may be of interest.



I summary, I will quote from the reference listed below in a scientific journal reported in 2007:

Coronaviruses are well known to undergo genetic recombination, which may lead to new genotypes and outbreaks. The presence of a large reservoir of SARS-CoV-like viruses in horseshoe bats, together with the culture of eating exotic mammals in southern China, is a time bomb. The possibility of the reemergence of SARS and other novel viruses from animals or laboratories and therefore the need for preparedness should not be ignored.



2007: Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus as an Agent of Emerging and Reemerging Infection

https://cmr.asm.org/content/20/4/660


2013: SARS-CoV ancestor found in Chinese bats
A new study reports the isolation of a novel coronavirus (CoV) from Chinese horseshoe bats, which is more closely related to severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) than any previously identified bat CoV, providing strong evidence that SARS-CoV might have originated in bats.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nrmicro3167

2015: The next SARS?
data suggest that CoVs currently circulating in bats have the potential for human emergence.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nrmicro.2015.17



2020: Ticking ‘time bomb’: Study predicted re-emergence of ‘SARS-like virus’ 13 years ago

Researchers at The Hong Kong University said there was a 'large reservoir' of SARS-CoV-like viruses in horseshoe bats, warned against wet markets being a source of such infections.

https://theprint.in/health/ticking-time-bomb-study-predicted-re-emergence-of-sars-like-virus-13-years-ago/386236/



2020: CHINA IS LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR COVID-19 DAMAGE AND CLAIMS COULD BE IN THE TRILLIONS Quite a damning report against the Chinese government

… and one of many reporting similar:

Unfortunately, China’s evasions are part of the autocratic playbook, repeating its obstruction of information that worsened the SARS crisis 18 years earlier. In that case, China tried to cover up the SARS epidemic, which led WHO member states to adopt the new International Health Regulations in 2005. In both cases, China and the world would have been spared thousands of unnecessary deaths had China acted forthrightly and in accordance with its legal obligations. Although China’s public health system has been modernized, observed Jude Blanchette, head of China Studies at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, its political system has regressed.



China did not intentionally create a global pandemic, but its malfeasance is certainly the cause of it.



https://warontherocks.com/2020/03/china-is-legally-responsible-for-covid-19-damage-and-claims-could-be-in-the-trillions/

[cuteguy]

Singapore who everyone looked glowingly at the way they controlled the outbreak is now having a big second wave of outbreaks. As the PM said we will be living like this for at least 6 months.

South Korea is experiencing a second wave of the virus. It sure is a deadly virus that's not giving up easily.

There's a push from various sectors to relax the lockdown rules without giving serious thought to what may occur if this is done by the authorities. Many Aussies are taking a casual relaxed approach to this virus because they haven't seen their loved ones die and be buried in mass graves just like in the US or Italy or being unable to visit their loved ones in hospital. If it was occurring here, people would be seeing it differently and not whinging about the current lockdown in place.

[Climax598]

South Korea is experiencing a second wave of the virus. It sure is a deadly virus that's not giving up easily.

There's a push from various sectors to relax the lockdown rules without giving serious thought to what may occur if this is done by the authorities. Many Aussies are taking a casual relaxed approach to this virus because they haven't seen their loved ones die and be buried in mass graves just like in the US or Italy or being unable to visit their loved ones in hospital. If it was occurring here, people would be seeing it differently and not whinging about the current lockdown in place.
Correct until your ass on fire people will not believe that's what happens to Italy/France/Spai/UK/USA.

[yug]

Correct until your ass on fire people will not believe that's what happens to Italy/France/Spai/UK/USA.

And if the government relaxes the law and people die, they will be blamed for it.
Either way, there is no winning.
As a humanity, we will eventually kill ourselves.

At times like this, we get to see worst of humanity at display.
I mean look at this video where some Australians are being racists and some are coming up with idiotic logic such as: "You can't get Coronavirus from the Ocean". Starts at 3:40 minutes into the video.

https://youtu.be/gQ-Sd0h3mDY

[quackm2002]

For those of you expressing such strong anti-China sentiments, I think a great start would be for you to personally boycott any goods made in or with any components made in China. Anything you already own should go in the bin immediately. After all, surely you wouldn’t want to be supporting such a despotic regime in any way.

[wilisno]

For those of you expressing such strong anti-China sentiments, I think a great start would be for you to personally boycott any goods made in or with any components made in China. Anything you already own should go in the bin immediately. After all, surely you wouldn’t want to be supporting such a despotic regime in any way.

Good idea ! ;) ;) ;)

[Climax598]

For those of you expressing such strong anti-China sentiments, I think a great start would be for you to personally boycott any goods made in or with any components made in China. Anything you already own should go in the bin immediately. After all, surely you wouldn’t want to be supporting such a despotic regime in any way.
1. Burn any clothes make in chinaa!!
2. Take a hammer now to smash your iPhone or any phone with China parts.
2. Go and see if your car wheels not make in China
4. Don't fuck any China girls.

[mkkid]

Certainly China's initial reaction caused more grief than necessary, however, let's not blame the Trump administration's utter incompetence on the Chinese.
The Americans saw it coming and did nothing adequate. The US is truly a 3rd world country.

[cuteguy]

I can't believe President Trump expects the US to be open for business with everything back to normal by early May. Can he not see what this virus has done and continues to do to his country?

[wilisno]

1. Burn any clothes make in chinaa!!
2. Take a hammer now to smash your iPhone or any phone with China parts.
2. Go and see if your car wheels not make in China
4. Don't fuck any China girls.
To start with item one, probably you have to burn all your undies and socks ! ;) ;) ;)

And no matter what make your car is, there’s bound to be some parts made in China !

[quackm2002]

For those of you who have espoused such strong anti-Chinese views and you know who you are, you really need to take a long hard look at the products that you use. Most of you claim to be anti-Chinese government not anti-Chinese but the reality is that much of your ideology is dripping with racism.

Well, it’s their economy that keeps them strong and keeps them in the position they are so you should be doing everything you can to avoid supporting their economy seeing you despise that autocratic and despotic regime so much.

Start with your phone. Oh, do you have a Chinese phone? Tut-tut. Naughty. Oh, you don’t? You have an apple or a Google or a Korean phone? Sorry, I think you might have to put that under the sledgehammer. They are packed full of Chinese components.

Let’s go to your car. I suspect that’s gonna have to go under the crusher as well. Good luck finding a vehicle that does not have a single Chinese component in it.

Let’s go to your home. Dump most of your electronics and appliances immediately.

let’s go to your wardrobe. Oh, Wil has already covered that.

Your kitchen? Your garden? Your sports equipment? Hey - guess what - you’re a supporter of that autocratic and despotic regime. It’s like those pathetic Facebook posts about not buying Chinese goods - it’s not just hypocrisy. It’s actually ignorance that is at a laughable level.

You guys have a lot of similarities to those LQBTIQ clowns who espouse such woke and wonderfully sanctimonious views but continue to buy petrol to support Middle East governments who are the most brutal countries against homosexuals.

Finally, seeing you hate the Chinese so much, keep your hands off our pussy.

[Kowabunga]

Setting the record straight.
Not the wonderful Chinese people or their products,
The Chinese government.

2020: CHINA IS LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR COVID-19 DAMAGE AND CLAIMS COULD BE IN THE TRILLIONS Quite a damning report against the Chinese government

… and one of many reporting similar:

Unfortunately, China’s evasions are part of the autocratic playbook, repeating its obstruction of information that worsened the SARS crisis 18 years earlier. In that case, China tried to cover up the SARS epidemic, which led WHO member states to adopt the new International Health Regulations in 2005. In both cases, China and the world would have been spared thousands of unnecessary deaths had China acted forthrightly and in accordance with its legal obligations. Although China’s public health system has been modernized, observed Jude Blanchette, head of China Studies at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, its political system has regressed.



China did not intentionally create a global pandemic, but its malfeasance is certainly the cause of it.



https://warontherocks.com/2020/03/ch...the-trillions/