Coronavirus

[CountryPunter]

Wonder what would have happened if the Australian cricket captain Pat Cummins had been seated near someone who tested COVID positive but in a Sydney restaurant rather than one in Adelaide.

Would he have been compelled to isolate and miss a test match in NSW. Not sure what our rules are now but can imagine once people stop having to do QR check ins there will be many cases of people being exposed to COVID and no way of identifying close contacts.

Not that I want to be checking in where ever I go. I’m vaccinated and accept that COVID is something we are going to have to live with. Life is too short to have to spend a chunk of it locked down or in isolation.

[rooter]

Federal Government and NSW Government have taken a let covid rip, and lets all be positive and optimistic approach now.
They want businesses open, people working and consuming, borders open, tourists, students and cheap labour coming in, no more government payments etc
They are relying on high vaccination rates to avoid a high death rate, and high ICU rate, which is fair enough, but the problem with that is 2 jabs are not effective against Omicron, 5 months is too long to wait for the 3rd jab, and it is almost impossible to find a clinic that has supplies for booster jabs anyway.
Lets see how we go. Hopefully its a Merry Xmas and Happy New Year.
We all wish for that.

[xcite]

Not that I want to be checking in where ever I go. I’m vaccinated and accept that COVID is something we are going to have to live with. Life is too short to have to spend a chunk of it locked down or in isolation.

Still makes no sense to remove mask mandates everywhere. ie even medical centers. Saw 5/7 not wearing one in a Parra waiting room yesterday.
Thats where old, immune compromised, disabled sickly people have to go and are most likely to get seriously ill or die, Vaccinated or not.
Where is the economic cost there? quite the opposite actually.
And i know they can wear one...but i hope by now people know masks protect others, not you (unless n95)

[kiddoh]

Still makes no sense to remove mask mandates everywhere. ie even medical centers. Saw 5/7 not wearing one in a Parra waiting room yesterday.
Thats where old, immune compromised, disabled sickly people have to go and are most likely to get seriously ill or die, Vaccinated or not.
Where is the economic cost there? quite the opposite actually.
And i know they can wear one...but i hope by now people know masks protect others, not you (unless n95)

Yeah.... the mask must be On... just to make sure the livelihoods are not impacted!!!! No way to go back to square one on restrictions...

[vitrium]

Masks are still mandatory on public transport. On my train, during peak hour on Thursday evening, roughly half the people on my carriage were not wearing masks. For shame.

Wear a mask. Wash you hands. Cough into your mask/elbow. Get your booster shot. Don't be a selfish prick.

[wachumba]

Look at Hong Kong, virtually zero local transmission in months and still in closed border with China and Macau !


The reason why they have no community transmission is because they don't have open borders and very strict quarantine procedures. They have to wear masks even outdoors and also have a check in system.
Have you seen their purpose built quarantine camps?
They enforce up to 3 weeks quarantine. If you get caught as a close contact at a facility, you get bussed away to quarantine. There was a person leaving HK that tested positive a week after arriving at their destination country. Everyone that was a close contact the week before he left was taken to quarantine. Imagine the uproar if that happened here.

The NSW Government has relaxed restrictions too fast. Sure, allow most things to open up and operate as normal but QR code check in and masks should have stayed imo. Allowing music festivals shouldnt have happened. Would not be surprised if EPIK last weekend is a superspreader event.

[AHLUNGOR]

The NSW Government has relaxed restrictions too fast. Sure, allow most things to open up and operate as normal but QR code check in and masks should have stayed imo. Allowing music festivals shouldnt have happened. Would not be surprised if EPIK last weekend is a superspreader event.

I agree. And NSW really should look at Queensland for a change. They are still keeping the borders open and business running. But Anatasia is mandating masks again and un vaxed people are not allowed to enter restaurants and bars and clubs.

It will be too late to tighten the rules by the time we hit 5,000 or 10,000 !!

I wonder what would Gladys have done differently when we first hit 500 on 10 Dec ??

15 Dec freedom for all was something we couldn’t have afforded .

Just saying it.

[Vader]

I agree. And NSW really should look at Queensland for a change. They are still keeping the borders open and business running. But Anatasia is mandating masks again and un vaxed people are not allowed to enter restaurants and bars and clubs.

It will be too late to tighten the rules by the time we hit 5,000 or 10,000 !!

I wonder what would Gladys have done differently when we first hit 500 on 10 Dec ??

15 Dec freedom for all was something we couldn’t have afforded .

Just saying it.

Gladys was going to open up on December 1st

[GoldfishMan]

I dunno guys. My theory is that we've always had these high case numbers, and it's only now come to light because it's the festive season and people who were reluctant to get tested are now forced to get tested because it is a requirement to have a negative test to travel interstate.
I dunno if it's good or bad news If it's true, TBH. Good because the high numbers are not due a new factor in the mix like the omicron variant? Or bad because all that time we thought we had low numbers was an illusion and the Gov is making a grave mistake relaxing restrictions based on that illusion?

[Vader]

I dunno guys. My theory is that we've always had these high case numbers, and it's only now come to light because it's the festive season and people who were reluctant to get tested are now forced to get tested because it is a requirement to have a negative test to travel interstate.
I dunno if it's good or bad news If it's true, TBH. Good because the high numbers are not due a new factor in the mix like the omicron variant? Or bad because all that time we thought we had low numbers was an illusion and the Gov is making a grave mistake relaxing restrictions based on that illusion?

The best thing is that the hospital cases haven't increased much so far

[GoldfishMan]

The best thing is that the hospital cases haven't increased much so far

Yes that's a comforting stat. There has been a slight pick up but nowhere near the increase in actual cases. Let's hope it stays this way!

[Ziggurat]

Gov is making a grave mistake relaxing restrictions

You may not have meant that literally but it is still literally true!

Even at 95% vaxxed in Australia that leaves a substantial standing army of 400,000 unvaxed dopes.

As everyone is going to get it, say 2% of them are hospitalised as urgent cases. That's 8000 ****'s taking away hospital beds from people who are not making a deliberate choice to be ill. Costing other people their lives. What is your advice about the treatment we as a society should offer them in return?

[Climax598]

You may not have meant that literally but it is still literally true!

Even at 95% vaxxed in Australia that leaves a substantial standing army of 400,000 unvaxed dopes.

As everyone is going to get it, say 2% of them are hospitalised as urgent cases. That's 8000 ****'s taking away hospital beds from people who are not making a deliberate choice to be ill. Costing other people their lives. What is your advice about the treatment we as a society should offer them in return?
Like in Singapore unvax have to pay for their medical treatments in hospital and they made into law

[Jamit]

Massive traffic jam of cars today, maybe 1 km long waiting outside the testing station near my place

[carmen farquis]

Massive traffic jam of cars today, maybe 1 km long waiting outside the testing station near my place

Same as mine.

Last week we got straight in only 1 other car

[CharlieM]

Like in Singapore unvax have to pay for their medical treatments in hospital and they made into law
Wise way of dealing with the situation. And they could extend it to all of the overweight people, smokers and people who predominantly eat junk as well as the people who are big drinkers. Can you imagine the savings the Govt would make each time these people had to pay for any heart related illness treatments. Or had to pay for their own treatment for cancer. Better still let's put this same condition on motorcyclists who are more likely to end up in hospital as a result of a collision. And while we're at it they can extend it to all punters to pay for their own treatments or to be tested as a result of contracting any STDs.

[Bunty4]

Wise way of dealing with the situation. And they could extend it to all of the overweight people, smokers and people who predominantly eat junk as well as the people who are big drinkers. Can you imagine the savings the Govt would make each time these people had to pay for any heart related illness treatments. Or had to pay for their own treatment for cancer. Better still let's put this same condition on motorcyclists who are more likely to end up in hospital as a result of a collision. And while we're at it they can extend it to all punters to pay for their own treatments or to be tested as a result of contracting any STDs.
Wise words bro @charlieM. I am sure I for one would be happy if government stopped collecting Medicare levy and forcing me to get medical insurance which I have had no use for in past 25 odd years. Causing panic is unhelpful. Food for thought, omnivore came in when only fully jabbed were allowed back to go looney…. This makes me think that we the jabbed are problematic and spreaders of new form of cold and flu.

[Ziggurat]

It's absurd to compare lifestyle habits that took months and years to develop and would take months and years to break with relapse after relapse - with two minutes to get a vaccine.
"Wise words" yeah.. :shout:

[CharlieM]

It's absurd to compare lifestyle habits that took months and years to develop and would take months and years to break with relapse after relapse - with two minutes to get a vaccine.
"Wise words" yeah.. :shout:
The Omicron variant was brought into the country by the vaccinated. The record number of infections of the virus over the past few days has been spread by the vaccinated. FFS! One dickhead who caught the virus at a party cruise on Sydney Harbour went and infected a few hundred vaccinated people at a Gig in Newcastle.
Let's say for arguments sake that the vaccine was not pushed through coercion or dangling rewards in front of the masses. It didn't matter if you got vaccinated or not. It was totally your choice without effecting any part of your life. Now this vaccine doesn't stop you from contracting covid nor does it stop you spreading the disease. The only benefit being a reduction in the severity of the illness. Add to that that each injection would not be free of charge, let's say $100 a pop. Tell me the truth, how many people would've got vaccinated?

[quackm2002]

I would have gotten it happily at that price. It reduces the likelihood of contagion and reduces severity in most cases.

[Ziggurat]

Now this vaccine doesn't stop you from contracting covid nor does it stop you spreading the disease.

In fact it does stop you contracting it and therefore spreading it. You should have written it doesn't "always" stop you getting it. Thus, the vaccines limits the spread. HELLO! EVERYONE OUT THERE READING THIS you can now lay that fact to bed in your mind.


The only benefit being a reduction in the severity of the illness.

What **** out there would prefer getting severe disease to mild disease. Tell me. You?

Also have the honesty to either address the demolition I made of your lifestyle diseases comparison, or concede it. Conceding by omission isn't good enough for me, I like to grind faces into the dirt.

Apologies for my rough treatment but lives are at stake here.

[Vader]

The Omicron variant was brought into the country by the vaccinated. The record number of infections of the virus over the past few days has been spread by the vaccinated. FFS! One dickhead who caught the virus at a party cruise on Sydney Harbour went and infected a few hundred vaccinated people at a Gig in Newcastle.
Let's say for arguments sake that the vaccine was not pushed through coercion or dangling rewards in front of the masses. It didn't matter if you got vaccinated or not. It was totally your choice without effecting any part of your life. Now this vaccine doesn't stop you from contracting covid nor does it stop you spreading the disease. The only benefit being a reduction in the severity of the illness. Add to that that each injection would not be free of charge, let's say $100 a pop. Tell me the truth, how many people would've got vaccinated?

BTW Az is only about $5 a pop

[Budgyboy]

Most people would vacvinate if possibility dying is the alternative oh wait most people want to die yeah thats it. $100 oh not paying that think ill just die😕

[cgi2]

The Omicron variant was brought into the country by the vaccinated. The record number of infections of the virus over the past few days has been spread by the vaccinated. FFS! One dickhead who caught the virus at a party cruise on Sydney Harbour went and infected a few hundred vaccinated people at a Gig in Newcastle.
Let's say for arguments sake that the vaccine was not pushed through coercion or dangling rewards in front of the masses. It didn't matter if you got vaccinated or not. It was totally your choice without effecting any part of your life. Now this vaccine doesn't stop you from contracting covid nor does it stop you spreading the disease. The only benefit being a reduction in the severity of the illness. Add to that that each injection would not be free of charge, let's say $100 a pop. Tell me the truth, how many people would've got vaccinated?

Couldn't agree more!

[dotcumdotinyou]

We are all, or should I say most of us that pay taxes already paying for the vax through not only tax but the medicare levy as well. So as your already paying for it you might as well have it.

The government doesn't give anything away for free and they're not spending their own money they're spending the taxpayers money.

I for one would prefer mild symptoms to being in ICU with a tube down my throat and a catheter in my dick.

[Vader]

We are all, or should I say most of us that pay taxes already paying for the vax through not only tax but the medicare levy as well. So as your already paying for it you might as well have it.

The government doesn't give anything away for free and they're not spending their own money they're spending the taxpayers money.

I for one would prefer mild symptoms to being in ICU with a tube down my throat and a catheter in my dick.

They are spending borrowed money

[CharlieM]

In fact it does stop you contracting it and therefore spreading it. You should have written it doesn't "always" stop you getting it. Thus, the vaccines limits the spread. HELLO! EVERYONE OUT THERE READING THIS you can now lay that fact to bed in your mind.



What **** out there would prefer getting severe disease to mild disease. Tell me. You?

Also have the honesty to either address the demolition I made of your lifestyle diseases comparison, or concede it. Conceding by omission isn't good enough for me, I like to grind faces into the dirt.

Apologies for my rough treatment but lives are at stake here.

Your apology is accepted.
I would also like to concede and apologise.

I concede that I'm not at your level of intellect nor am I able to comprehend the data presented to the public on the spread of Covid over the past few days.

I also would like to apologise for having a dig at all the smokers, over drinkers and fast food addicts. Your 100% right. You being over weight didn't happen overnight. It took years of dedicated eating the wrong foods to develop that pot belly. And besides the fact that cigarette packets have health warnings emblazoned on them such as "SMOKING CAUSES CANCER", you have as much right as anyone else to a free medical assistance if needed. Which really isn't free as you pay a Medicare levy.

[Vader]

Like most Australian, the Commonwealth Government also lives on credit. However, unlike an individual who will be bankrupted by the bank or creditor if he/she can’t repay, the Commonwealth has unlimited credit which it can use by printing money similar to its US and European counterparts. It is always good to use borrowed monies if you can keep borrowing without ramifications, nobody cares about sovereign borrowing by western countries anymore as they are all “perceived to be trustworthy”.

The more they borrow the more tax we pay and loss of services for citizens

[GoldfishMan]

Like most Australian, the Commonwealth Government also lives on credit. However, unlike an individual who will be bankrupted by the bank or creditor if he/she can’t repay, the Commonwealth has unlimited credit which it can use by printing money similar to its US and European counterparts. It is always good to use borrowed monies if you can keep borrowing without ramifications, nobody cares about sovereign borrowing by western countries anymore as they are all “perceived to be trustworthy”.
Actually, the Gov cannot print money. That function is for the RBA. It's the same in the US, it's the Fed Reserve there. Theee Central Banks increase currency supply by buying bonds, and decrease it when they sell bonds. They have the power to control what is ultimately, the value of the currency. If the supply of AUD is too high, the currency value will drop.

See, you defo wouldn't want the actual sitting government to have this power, especially in a democratic system like ours. They are in power only for less than a decade at a time. The economy has to continue indefinitely.

But you're right, the Gov borrows heavily for the budget.

[GoldfishMan]

I reckon the NSW Gov are making a big gamble to open everything up. Starting last Thursday they've scrapped every restriction imposed for the pandemic.

DP is a new premier with only less than 2 years left before election time. I'm pretty sure that is a major factor influencing his decision making.

Don't get me wrong, I personally love the new freedoms. Come on, no need to scan in or show Vax cert, no need to wear a stifling mask? Who wouldn't like that?

But take a step back and take a good look at the situation. Omicron variant is only just getting started. We do not even know how dominant it is in the pandemic, and we do not know how lethal it is. We simply do not know anything about it yet.

Harping on about the low hospitalisation rates doesn't make any sense either. People don't just get infected with the virus and go straight into hospital or ICU. They get sicker and sicker, and then they need the extra care. How long has Omicron been around? No more than a week, I'd say. That's not nearly enough time to know how bad it is.

I guess a good analogy is going for a swim at the beach. You've been planning to do it for weeks, today's the day. Then a shark alert is raised, the beach is closed, tough luck. Do you still go for a swim?

[Climax598]

Go and get your booster shot if you are eligible. Wear mask like before. Don't go punting if you can. Don't go party and big crowds places. Then you can always move to WA and QLD but the punting seems are not cheap and good as Sydney. Live is on your hands.

[goodbloke]

I dunno guys. My theory is that we've always had these high case numbers, and it's only now come to light because it's the festive season and people who were reluctant to get tested are now forced to get tested because it is a requirement to have a negative test to travel interstate.
I dunno if it's good or bad news If it's true, TBH. Good because the high numbers are not due a new factor in the mix like the omicron variant? Or bad because all that time we thought we had low numbers was an illusion and the Gov is making a grave mistake relaxing restrictions based on that illusion?
It's the vaxxed who are spreading the virus. if we lockdown the vaxxed wouldn't the virus go away.

[goodbloke]

Go and get your booster shot if you are eligible. Wear mask like before. Don't go punting if you can. Don't go party and big crowds places. Then you can always move to WA and QLD but the punting seems are not cheap and good as Sydney. Live is on your hands.
Just lock up the vaxxed. The virus will automatically go away. The unvaccinated were still under lockdown until 15th December so it's the vaxxed who's been the spreading the virus.

[goodbloke]

The most vaccinated countries in the world has the most covid cases. The vaccine is a complete failure Gibraltar with a vaccination rate of 118%. surging with covid case.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/gibraltar-cancels-official-christmas-celebrations-covid-coronavirus-163444274.html

[goodbloke]

We know now as why migrants and refugees don't need to get vaccinated. It's because the vaccine companies like pfizer and moderna are worry about getting sue. Since the vaccine are very effective and extremely safe. But if you're a citizen then it's OK you can't sue them because you're already a slave. You're expendable if you die or have vaccine damage they don't care.
https://www.reuters.com/world/refugees-lack-covid-shots-because-drugmakers-fear-lawsuits-documents-2021-12-16/

[tpol]

I reckon the NSW Gov are making a big gamble to open everything up. Starting last Thursday they've scrapped every restriction imposed for the pandemic.

DP is a new premier with only less than 2 years left before election time. I'm pretty sure that is a major factor influencing his decision making.

Don't get me wrong, I personally love the new freedoms. Come on, no need to scan in or show Vax cert, no need to wear a stifling mask? Who wouldn't like that?

But take a step back and take a good look at the situation. Omicron variant is only just getting started. We do not even know how dominant it is in the pandemic, and we do not know how lethal it is. We simply do not know anything about it yet.

Harping on about the low hospitalisation rates doesn't make any sense either. People don't just get infected with the virus and go straight into hospital or ICU. They get sicker and sicker, and then they need the extra care. How long has Omicron been around? No more than a week, I'd say. That's not nearly enough time to know how bad it is.

I guess a good analogy is going for a swim at the beach. You've been planning to do it for weeks, today's the day. Then a shark alert is raised, the beach is closed, tough luck. Do you still go for a swim?

I think what they are doing is ok.

They've put the onus back on individuals.

So u can look after your own safety and judge the risk. Some ppl might still try and jump in if there is a shark attack just like when there are monstrous waves and ppl still surf.

As long as there are enough projected hospital beds then let it rip.

When the projected hospital beds get to critical, then start the lockdown again

[quackm2002]

So a couple of rabid anti-vaxxers in our midst quoting selective data that suits their ends.

DP announced today - 26 of 33 in ICU are unvaccinated. Considering as quoted that they have been locked up, wouldn’t this fact indicate how vulnerable to contagion the unvaccinated are?

[GoldfishMan]

It's the vaxxed who are spreading the virus. if we lockdown the vaxxed wouldn't the virus go away.
I don't mind more lockdowns TBH.
And I don't really care about vaxxed vs unvaxxed debate anymore. Most of the population is already vaxxed, case closed.

[rooter]

I don't mind more lockdowns TBH.
And I don't really care about vaxxed vs unvaxxed debate anymore. Most of the population is already vaxxed, case closed.

Yeah. Coronavirus is so 2021

[warwick1]

I don't mind more lockdowns TBH.
And I don't really care about vaxxed vs unvaxxed debate anymore. Most of the population is already vaxxed, case closed.

Amen to that but unfortunately the goodbloke will not take the hint.....

[Ziggurat]

What do you think the prospects for the big Australia wide concert tours planned for next year are. All the states are applying different levels of restrictions and as rooter said a few of them are stuck in 2020 and 2021 mentality. KISS for example, (March) their final ever tour need to have certainty about playing every scheduled concert because it costs them a bomb to stage and come all the way out here.

[goodbloke]

Some lucky punter might end up like Casey Hodgkinson after the miricle booster drug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_5pL74EoA&ab_channel=LizGunn

[Yougottabe]

What do you think the prospects for the big Australia wide concert tours planned for next year are. All the states are applying different levels of restrictions and as rooter said a few of them are stuck in 2020 and 2021 mentality. KISS for example, (March) their final ever tour need to have certainty about playing every scheduled concert because it costs them a bomb to stage and come all the way out here.
I’m sure KISS would survive if they couldn’t tour Perth for example. They have plenty of money & they are that bloody old they could die from COVID with underlying conditions anyway.

[wachumba]

Just lock up the vaxxed. The virus will automatically go away. The unvaccinated were still under lockdown until 15th December so it's the vaxxed who's been the spreading the virus.

lol you and I both know a lot of unvaxxed were going around freely before 15th Dec.
More vaxxed will pass it on now simply because 93%+ of over 16's are vaxxed.
If someone has covid and passes it on to everybody around them, 93% of those people will be vaxxed. They will then pass it on to other people. The other 7%, the unvaxxed, will still pass it on to people but are the minority compared to the 93% but it still means they are passing it on.
Some, not all, of the unvaxxed are less likely to get tested because they refuse to believe it covid even exists so will continue going out as normal and spread it around more when they should isolating.

[goodbloke]

lol you and I both know a lot of unvaxxed were going around freely before 15th Dec.
More vaxxed will pass it on now simply because 93%+ of over 16's are vaxxed.
If someone has covid and passes it on to everybody around them, 93% of those people will be vaxxed. They will then pass it on to other people. The other 7%, the unvaxxed, will still pass it on to people but are the minority compared to the 93% but it still means they are passing it on.
Some, not all, of the unvaxxed are less likely to get tested because they refuse to believe it covid even exists so will continue going out as normal and spread it around more when they should isolating.
Ok what's the point of getting vaxxed if you still can catch the virus, die and pass it on to someone else. All the recent cases from covid are indoor like clubs, bars ect. The unvaxxed can't get in without the magic covid passport . so isn't the vaxxed is doing the spreading.

[goodbloke]

So a couple of rabid anti-vaxxers in our midst quoting selective data that suits their ends.

DP announced today - 26 of 33 in ICU are unvaccinated. Considering as quoted that they have been locked up, wouldn’t this fact indicate how vulnerable to contagion the unvaccinated are?
lol 😂 just wait and see. Who know maybe if you're Vaxxed they think you're perfectly protected from covid. They tell to go home and die instead of letting you die in the hospital. To make the hospitals numbers look good . They want to blame the unvaxxed as why their vaccine don't work. You know why the refugees and migrants don't need to get Vaxxed. it's because they want make their numbers looks good. If the migrants or refugees are damages from the vaccines they can sue them. As citizens you can't. OK vaccines lover now to be consider fully vaccinated you need a booster shot and proberly an on going endly booster shots. let see how long your body can take before you see heaven. so enjoy jabbing
https://youtu.be/U4_eFQJQuFo

[goodbloke]

Whistleblower: Researchers Are Hiding Studies That Show mRNA Vaccine Link To Heart Attacks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obdI7tgKLtA&ab_channel=ProjectVeritas

[moz]

Hardly whistleblower.

There are detailed guidance notes on the very small risk of myocarditis, particularly in younger age groups.

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/11/covid-19-vaccination-guidance-on-myocarditis-and-pericarditis-after-mrna-covid-19-vaccines_1.pdf

But the risk is significantly lower than the risk of death or serious ongoing symptoms if you do catch Covid.

[goodbloke]

Hardly whistleblower.

There are detailed guidance notes on the very small risk of myocarditis, particularly in younger age groups.

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/11/covid-19-vaccination-guidance-on-myocarditis-and-pericarditis-after-mrna-covid-19-vaccines_1.pdf

But the risk is significantly lower than the risk of death or serious ongoing symptoms if you do catch Covid.

haha 😂 wow you're smart. Maybe you should check up as how many young health children actually catch covid. And how many have vaccines damage. Out of the 300k covid cases in Australia so far after what millions of testing. We have about 2000 people die from covid . Most of them are old sick like I their 80s and 90s or fat people with health problems. If the vaccines works so well why after 2 years we still battling the virus and now is even worse with 3000 cases a day.

[wachumba]

Ok what's the point of getting vaxxed if you still can catch the virus, die and pass it on to someone else. All the recent cases from covid are indoor like clubs, bars ect. The unvaxxed can't get in without the magic covid passport . so isn't the vaxxed is doing the spreading.

The vax makes symptoms less severe in most people so you hopefully won't end up in hospital. It is less effective for omicron than delta but still helps from initial studies.

Again, you already know unvaxxed were in clubs and pubs before freedom day as many had fake certificates. It was so easy to get and you only had to go on social media to see unvaxxed bragging about getting into venues. Using idiotic excuses shows just how stupid some anti vaxxers are and it is also anti vaxxers who are posting fake news to try to prove their point.

[goodbloke]

I wouldn't read any Australian government info as they do as what the usa government told them to do. Australia is not good enough to make anything as everything comes from America.
This is from the pfizer official websites . If you're vaccinated then youre 25 % worst off against omicron. Pfizer is Your GOD.
https://youtu.be/67K8NgXYjJc

[wachumba]

...Would not be surprised if EPIK last weekend is a superspreader event.

Confirmed case was at EPIK festival. Thousands of young people partying together and would bet my life that many won't isolate or even bother to get tested and just round as usual.

[goodbloke]

look at this every omicron cases are from the fully vaccinated and booster shots.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/14/us/cornell-university-covid-cases/index.html

[quackm2002]

Goodbloke, about the only thing you’re good at is being a deadset cunt. You speak in absolute terms when you know full well there are no absolutes here.

Just ignore this cunt. He isn’t worth the time

[storry_teller]

Just lock up the vaxxed. The virus will automatically go away. The unvaccinated were still under lockdown until 15th December so it's the vaxxed who's been the spreading the virus.

You sure that none of them sneak out?

[moz]

And how many have vaccines damage. Out of the 300k covid cases in Australia so far after what millions of testing. .

A very small number after 10s of millions of injections.

Versus thousands of deaths in Australia among the non-vaccinated (and far higher rates o/s).. and far more case of substantial health issues and long Covid.

I mean you could choose to cut yourself off from society, no social interaction, no exercise etc (of course no health risks from that either).

And if you do choose to come out, I assume you wont use a public crossing with a green man, or have an afternoon on a jumping castle (because as we've unfortunately seen, even very safe activities can have disasterous consequences)

I sincerely hope you don't get Covid, but God help you if you do

[Ziggurat]

I don't know what to make of the USA. They are only 61% fully vaxxed and as a result the current death toll from covid is 829,000. That's 276 x 9/11 !!! 276 of them! Yet they went to war for 20 years over one 9/11 !

It all must depend then on not whether you die, but how spectacularly you die.

It's a human and cosmic tragedy. Here in Australia we have a much larger percentage of people who actually have all their marbles. I'd love it to reach 100% of us that has all their marbles so we could win a World Cup full of marbles or something.

[wachumba]

look at this every omicron cases are from the fully vaccinated and booster shots.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/14/us/cornell-university-covid-cases/index.html

Hahaha 99% of the students at the university were vaccinated so more vaccinated people will get covid. Pure statistics.
If the group was 50% vaxxed and 50% unvaxxed, you would see equal numbers getting covid with omicron strain but it's not so it how many people get it, vaxxed or unvaxxed. It is about how many people get it and have severe symptoms that require hospitalisation or cause serious complications.

[wachumba]

I don't know what to make of the USA. They are only 61% fully vaxxed and as a result the current death toll from covid is 829,000. That's 276 x 9/11 !!! 276 of them! Yet they went to war for 20 years over one 9/11 !

It all must depend then on not whether you die, but how spectacularly you die.

It's a human and cosmic tragedy. Here in Australia we have a much larger percentage of people who actually have all their marbles. I'd love it to reach 100% of us that has all their marbles so we could win a World Cup full of marbles or something.

You must be one of those that believe China or someone intentionally released the virus?
What does 9/11 and going to war have anything to do with this?

Csn never get to 100% as some people aren't taking the vaccine because they have existing health conditions that prevent it or they may have had complications after the first dose.

[Ziggurat]

Sorry, I didn't make it clear, 2997 people died during 9 / 11. And they go to war over it for 20 years. 2997 x 276 = the 829,000 that have died in the US from covid, so that is 276 9/11s and 40% of the population stifle a big yawn. Like I say, marbles are in short supply in the US.

We can get to 100% here, any exemptions are total bullshit.

[wachumba]

They didn't go to war for 20 years just over the number of lives that were lost. A lot of people in Australia just "stifle a big yawn" and might only care if someone close to them dies.

Some exemptions are legit. There aren't many but there are some and would probably be less than 2% of the population.

[Ziggurat]

It is ironic that the Delta variant has a nice name - Delta Dawn, Delta Lady, Delta Goodrem, the Mississippi Delta was shining like a national guitar, while Omicron has a scary name.

But Dr Kerry Chant says it is five times less severe than Delta.

[everready 2]

Be bold. Unless you have a bad illness, it's just a cold.

[yug]

It is ironic that the Delta variant has a nice name - Delta Dawn, Delta Lady, Delta Goodrem, the Mississippi Delta was shining like a national guitar, while Omicron has a scary name.

But Dr Kerry Chant says it is five times less severe than Delta.

What are you on about?

Both Delta and Omicron are Greek alphabets.
All Covid variants are given Greek alphabet names.
The name is not given based on how scary it sounds and the severity of the variant.
Nor does irony has anything with it. For me, neither Delta nor Omicron sounds all that scary.

What about the name Epsilon? (another Greek alphabet)
The name sounds funny to me.
Does that mean that if a new COVID variant is named Epsilon, it will giggle you to death?

Logic is taking a serious hit on this thread.
All the anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists.
What has become of this world!

[Budgyboy]

Read an article by Heather Macdonald from the telegraph. Its sensible, media at the moment and an over zealous few in government are beating up what now is predominantly a cold amonst thr vaccinated. Things need to change, hopefully next year it will. The media then will need to find something else to make news of. But like all cash cows they will try and ride it for as long as possible. Eventually people will tune out.

[Abracadabra]

Be bold. Unless you have a bad illness, it's just a cold.

That's a generalisation that many would dispute.

[cuteguy]

It's amazing how the delta virus appears to have disappeared entirely with little or no mention in the media and has been replaced by the new moronic oops omicron variant. When this variant fades out what's the next variant in line to replace it and cause panic and fear in the community?

By the way, how did the omicron virus come into Australia? The authorities said it was a student in Sydney who had it and spread the new variant even though he has never been overseas. Seriously, are we supposed to believe this? Ok then how did it appear here? To this day, there has been no confirmation as to how it got into the country especially when the only travellers or tourists being allowed in are all vaccinated. In South Africa, the health authorities claimed the virus came into their country from 4 vaccinated travellers from either Belgium or Holland. If the unvaccinated are not allowed to travel and only the vaccinated are travelling and the virus is spreading then who could be responsible for the new variant in Australia?

[Vader]

It's amazing how the delta virus appears to have disappeared entirely with little or no mention in the media and has been replaced by the new moronic oops omicron variant. When this variant fades out what's the next variant in line to replace it and cause panic and fear in the community?

By the way, how did the omicron virus come into Australia? The authorities said it was a student in Sydney who had it and spread the new variant even though he has never been overseas. Seriously, are we supposed to believe this? Ok then how did it appear here? To this day, there has been no confirmation as to how it got into the country especially when the only travellers or tourists being allowed in are all vaccinated. In South Africa, the health authorities claimed the virus came into their country from 4 vaccinated travellers from either Belgium or Holland. If the unvaccinated are not allowed to travel and only the vaccinated are travelling and the virus is spreading then who could be responsible for the new variant in Australia?

The idea of any vaccine is to reduce the severity of an illness. It can't stop it. This covid virus is slowly running out of juice. Each variant is a less deadly than the one it replaces and will gradually fizzle out over time hopefully. How did it get here, who knows. You only have to look at the amount of people on this site who thought they were smart to evade the QR codes. I had two girls come here, both obviously vaccinated, tested negative before they left, sat on the plane together. Negative on arrival, two days before they finished their two week quarantine one tested positive. Go figure.

[wilisno]

Not to worry, Germany has already announced the 4th booster vaccine, Covid will disappear forever after the 120th booster vaccine !

[Vader]

Tests are already showing booster starts to wane after 10 weeks of being administered. Moderna is going to run tests in Australia with it added to the flu jab.

[Ziggurat]

What are you on about? Both Delta and Omicron are Greek alphabets. All Covid variants are given Greek alphabet names.

What about the name Epsilon? (another Greek alphabet)

I'm all for the next variant being called Epsilon Semi-Moron. (Only people who have read Brave New World are gonna get that joke.:shout:)

I do know that they skipped a greek letter and jumped straight to omicron. The letter they skipped - XI ! Wonder why they skipped it, it sounds just right to me. :shout:

[Assent]

Here are the balanced facts, which most likely both extreme sides will disagree or be shocked to know.

1. Vaccines do provide protection against death, from 100% dropping down to 40% as the age range rises

2. That said, if you are under 18, yes, the vaccine will protect you 100% but your chance to die is around 0.1 (if even that) per 100 000 (do the % on that yourself)

3. There has been just over 2000 deaths in Australia since Covid began (around 2 years)

4. There has been close to 5000 total deaths from Flu / Pneumonia in Australia in 2017

5. Covid-19 has been a fucking weird disease, killing your sense of taste and smell, and leaving some people severely ill while not effecting others at all

6. Omnicrom seems to be like a regular cold

7. Adverse reactions from the vaccine are most likely rare, but absolutely under reported and swept under the rug

8. Even if these adverse reactions are rare, I'm yet to hear anyone explain to me WHY they happen. We know why people die from "regular" vaccines, and that being a very small portion will have a severe allergic reaction to a know ingredient. What ingredient in these vaccines is causing blood clots and heart carditis???????????? Don't you think it's something worth knowing.

9. Alternative treatments are suppressed, and not even talking about the "horse paste" but proven treatments like monoclonal anti-bodies aren't promoted and are limited to the very few who can get their hands on it

10. Long term effects are UNKNOWN, and I see so many people just ignore this fact. I don't think anyone through Asbestos would do what it did, but would you have sniffed it back then to prevent yourself from dying from a disease that might have a very relatively small chance to harm you, depending on your personal situation...

[cuteguy]

Not to worry, Germany has already announced the 4th booster vaccine, Covid will disappear forever after the 120th booster vaccine !

Israel has also announced 4th booster shots for its citizens. Therefore citizens will need to get boosted if they want to retain their "fully vaccinated" status and green pass. If you expect to get to your 120th booster shot then good luck.

The authorities initially promised one and then two shots to have immunity against covid19. It turned out a lie because these vaccines do not provide immunity. The lie was exposed so the authorities changed the definition of a vaccine from giving you immunity to providing protection from an illness. That's not a real vaccine if you have to get booster shots every 6 months just like the flu shots which are not labelled as vaccines. In the end, the pharmaceutical and certain large companies are benefiting the most from covid19.

[goodbloke]

Nobody mandates you to get a covid shot in Australia and it is entirely voluntary whether you want to get a covid booster after fully vaccinated with two doses. You can stop getting any future covid shot anytime you feel you have enough. Somebody assess they only need 2 shots but others may think they need 4 if the Commonwealth Govt allows you to do so. If the Govt finally decides it will be appropriate for the covid shot to be administered half yearly or annually and you think you need 120th shot before you stop, you are entitled to do so by your own choice. I am happy to have a booster shot when it is due and hopefully see the Covid 19 pandemic to end naturally with Omicron which appears to cause much milder symptoms but boosted immunity based on data to-date. No pandemic in history has lasted for more than 3 years and the last Spanish Flu pandemic which killed a lot of people became just a common flu in its last wave. The Omicron variant appears to follow the track of the last wave of the Spanish Flu according to some medical experts and virologists.
lol here real data for you no BS experts advise . The booster shot protection drop to 45% after the 10th week. So yes you need to continuely jab yourself every 10th week to stay 100 % effective.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/uk-agency-pfizer-boosters-ability-to-prevent-symptomatic-covid-wanes-within-weeks/

[AHLUNGOR]

What are you on about?

Both Delta and Omicron are Greek alphabets.
All Covid variants are given Greek alphabet names.
The name is not given based on how scary it sounds and the severity of the variant.
Nor does irony has anything with it. For me, neither Delta nor Omicron sounds all that scary.

What about the name Epsilon? (another Greek alphabet)
The name sounds funny to me.
Does that mean that if a new COVID variant is named Epsilon, it will giggle you to death?

Logic is taking a serious hit on this thread.
All the anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists.
What has become of this world!

Yeah, you’re right !

But I’m a very simple old man, so why can’t we use:

A for apple
B for Bob
C for Charlie
And yes, D for Delta ……… haha

[moz]

Because they chose Greek names.

Fyi Omricon is the 15th letter,
Though they skipped 13 (Nu, or New due to confusion) and 14 Xi (Chinese PMs name)

Only 9 left.
Next one is Pi.

[goodbloke]

Because they chose Greek names.

Fyi Omricon is the 15th letter,
Though they skipped 13 (Nu, or New due to confusion) and 14 Xi (Chinese PMs name)

Only 9 left.
Next one is Pi.
omicron is a 1963 movie. it's about a parisite taking over the human body.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0191326/

[goodbloke]

Goodbloke, about the only thing you’re good at is being a deadset cunt. You speak in absolute terms when you know full well there are no absolutes here.

Just ignore this cunt. He isn’t worth the time
Hah hah. that's the kind of respond I
expect from a dumb low IQ count like you . Go and fyourself with your miracle drug.

[goodbloke]

Hahaha 99% of the students at the university were vaccinated so more vaccinated people will get covid. Pure statistics.
If the group was 50% vaxxed and 50% unvaxxed, you would see equal numbers getting covid with omicron strain but it's not so it how many people get it, vaxxed or unvaxxed. It is about how many people get it and have severe symptoms that require hospitalisation or cause serious complications.
Really the real world wide doesn't support your idiotic claims . It's fat obesse people like will die and be hospitalise not the unvaxxed. The Australian media should should us all the fat and old people that are in the hospital.

https://youtu.be/KYqXK-d6K10

[goodbloke]

Yeah, you’re right !

But I’m a very simple old man, so why can’t we use:

A for apple
B for Bob
C for Charlie
And yes, D for Delta ……… haha
Yugyy is an idiot pro vaxxers. The People who warship the vaccines the most are more stupid and dumb. Yug support this. He's wrong not right. They name everything for a reason. like.
C =3
O = 15
R = 18
O=15
N= 14
A = 1
There are 6 letters and with total of 66 you'll get 666 mean sick sick sick 🤮. 666 means something. In Goulburn St in Sydney the masonic centre had the street number 66. Is this a coincident.
In modern popular culture, 666 has become one of the most widely recognized symbols for the Antichrist or, alternatively, the devil. The number 666 is purportedly used to invoke Satan. Earnest references to the number occur both among apocalypticist Christian groups and in explicitly anti-Christian subcultures.

[Budgyboy]

Faaaark i think goodbloke is writing this stuff hiding from the guys in white coats.

[warwick1]

Faaaark i think goodbloke is writing this stuff hiding from the guys in white coats.

I always thought he was an illiterate moron ,but he has taken it to a new level with his latest post, kinda creepy.......

[GoldfishMan]

Yugyy is an idiot pro vaxxers. The People who warship the vaccines the most are more stupid and dumb. Yug support this. He's wrong not right. They name everything for a reason. like.
C =3
O = 15
R = 18
O=15
N= 14
A = 1
There are 6 letters and with total of 66 you'll get 666 mean sick sick sick 🤮. 666 means something. In Goulburn St in Sydney the masonic centre had the street number 66. Is this a coincident.
In modern popular culture, 666 has become one of the most widely recognized symbols for the Antichrist or, alternatively, the devil. The number 666 is purportedly used to invoke Satan. Earnest references to the number occur both among apocalypticist Christian groups and in explicitly anti-Christian subcultures.

Yes it is a coincidence. There.... How's your mind? Blown?

[GoldfishMan]

And I agree, goodbloke. The virus may have been a conspiracy. It was created by the same people who created cars, bikes and then seatbelts and helmets. See, it's all a master plan to "cull" the dumbest people from the world. They created all these fast moving vehicles that could kill people, and then provided the protection that you can choose to use or not. The dumb people would naturally choose not to use the protection, so they will slowly die out.

I guess that approach was too slow, so they came up with this: here's a virus that can kill you, and here's the protection (vaccines) that can protect you. You choose. Blue pill or red pill? Live on or die being stubborn/stupid/ignorant?

Maybe dumb people were too dumb to choose and might follow "the herd" and inadvertently save themselves by getting the protection. Ok, chuck in a few conspiracy preachers to help them choose their own fate. Play with numbers and coincidences, cos that's how they like em.

This is the REAL conspiracy, goodbloke. It's a natural way to cull the world off the stupid and dumb people. Who knows, maybe for those anti-vaxxers that actually caught COVID and died from it, it could all seem like a long movie with a wicked twist at the end. Like you think you've got the entire plot figured out, but right at the end you realise you've been taken for a ride like a schmuck.

[Sharphorse]

Faaaark i think goodbloke is writing this stuff hiding from the guys in white coats.

I’m guessing you mean nurses at a mental health hospital but also some of the people pushing these anti vaccine/ fake virus theories are people in different white coats (the KKK) 🤣

[wilisno]

Nobody mandates you to get a covid shot in Australia and it is entirely voluntary whether you want to get a covid booster after fully vaccinated with two doses. You can stop getting any future covid shot anytime you feel you have enough. Somebody assess they only need 2 shots but others may think they need 4 if the Commonwealth Govt allows you to do so. If the Govt finally decides it will be appropriate for the covid shot to be administered half yearly or annually and you think you need 120th shot before you stop, you are entitled to do so by your own choice. I am happy to have a booster shot when it is due and hopefully see the Covid 19 pandemic to end naturally with Omicron which appears to cause much milder symptoms but boosted immunity based on data to-date. No pandemic in history has lasted for more than 3 years and the last Spanish Flu pandemic which killed a lot of people became just a common flu in its last wave. The Omicron variant appears to follow the track of the last wave of the Spanish Flu according to some medical experts and virologists.
You really don’t have any sense of humour do you ?
;) ;) ;)

[Meng]

Booster or not I just hope we don't do another lockdown.

The first time I was like ok I get to work from home this is cool. The second time it was like ok I understand we need this with Delta but if we have to do it again even after all the vaccinations I'm gonna be pissed.

[goodbloke]

I’m guessing you mean nurses at a mental health hospital but also some of the people pushing these anti vaccine/ fake virus theories are people in different white coats (the KKK) 🤣

hah hah mate the vaccine drug is really working on you. It's data record like this. Omicron cases in South Africa are on the decline. Guess what their fully vaccinated rate is 100 % ? 50 %? no its only 26% vs Australia 95% and omicron cases in Australia are on fire.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-22/south-africa-omicron-case-surge-peak-passed-/100721122

[goodbloke]

And I agree, goodbloke. The virus may have been a conspiracy. It was created by the same people who created cars, bikes and then seatbelts and helmets. See, it's all a master plan to "cull" the dumbest people from the world. They created all these fast moving vehicles that could kill people, and then provided the protection that you can choose to use or not. The dumb people would naturally choose not to use the protection, so they will slowly die out.

I guess that approach was too slow, so they came up with this: here's a virus that can kill you, and here's the protection (vaccines) that can protect you. You choose. Blue pill or red pill? Live on or die being stubborn/stupid/ignorant?

Maybe dumb people were too dumb to choose and might follow "the herd" and inadvertently save themselves by getting the protection. Ok, chuck in a few conspiracy preachers to help them choose their own fate. Play with numbers and coincidences, cos that's how they like em.

This is the REAL conspiracy, goodbloke. It's a natural way to cull the world off the stupid and dumb people. Who knows, maybe for those anti-vaxxers that actually caught COVID and died from it, it could all seem like a long movie with a wicked twist at the end. Like you think you've got the entire plot figured out, but right at the end you realise you've been taken for a ride like a schmuck.
lol what the chance of dying from covid. let's do the numbers there's 300k cases and 2k die most old sick and fat people like you . so 2/300x 100 =. 6 % not even 1% and if you're healthy with no health issue it'll.. 0.00006%.
oh didn't you know vaccinated fat unhealthy vaccinated people also die from covid as well not just the unvaccinated fat old sick people.
Homework for you professor. What's a vaccine, how dose it works, what's a Mrma vaccine

[goodbloke]

Yes it is a coincidence. There.... How's your mind? Blown?

I've got a beautiful mind! 🤠

[goodbloke]

I’m guessing you mean nurses at a mental health hospital but also some of the people pushing these anti vaccine/ fake virus theories are people in different white coats (the KKK) 🤣

oh vaccine lover. You God Biden has a xmas message for you.
https://youtu.be/kOAu8TqjXUc

[Sharphorse]

hah hah mate the vaccine drug is really working on you. It's data record like this. Omicron cases in South Africa are on the decline. Guess what their fully vaccinated rate is 100 % ? 50 %? no its only 26% vs Australia 95% and omicron cases in Australia are on fire.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-22/south-africa-omicron-case-surge-peak-passed-/100721122

Bringing up cases instead of death and severe disease is the last bastion of those who don’t wanna look at the full picture

[Sharphorse]

oh vaccine lover. You God Biden has a xmas message for you.
https://youtu.be/kOAu8TqjXUc

That’s just weird mate, nowhere did I mention Biden. Why are you so obsessed with that old man? 🤣

[GoldfishMan]

That’s just weird mate, nowhere did I mention Biden. Why are you so obsessed with that old man? 🤣
He’s a goodbloke who’s also farked in the head or had too many ice shrooms lsd whatever else that fucks someone in the head.

Today when I was out, there was a nutter sitting on George St screaming his brains out at the passing trams. There’s no difference to me between that nutter and this nutter called goodbloke on Aus99 forum. Who the fark cares. Let the natural selection happen and let the dumb, stupid, emotionally weak, etc, die on their own. They picked this path on their own.

[goodbloke]

That’s just weird mate, nowhere did I mention Biden. Why are you so obsessed with that old man? 🤣
that's, just weird he's your God. You obey him. you don't even know that.

[warwick1]

He’s a goodbloke who’s also farked in the head or had too many ice shrooms lsd whatever else that fucks someone in the head.

Today when I was out, there was a nutter sitting on George St screaming his brains out at the passing trams. There’s no difference to me between that nutter and this nutter called goodbloke on Aus99 forum. Who the fark cares. Let the natural selection happen and let the dumb, stupid, emotionally weak, etc, die on their own. They picked this path on their own.

He is not playing with a full deck, totally delusional...........

[goodbloke]

He’s a goodbloke who’s also farked in the head or had too many ice shrooms lsd whatever else that fucks someone in the head.

Today when I was out, there was a nutter sitting on George St screaming his brains out at the passing trams. There’s no difference to me between that nutter and this nutter called goodbloke on Aus99 forum. Who the fark cares. Let the natural selection happen and let the dumb, stupid, emotionally weak, etc, die on their own. They picked this path on their own.
come on stop embarrassing yourself anymore we all know you don't have a brain now. look at what you're farting. Please go take the jabb. oh they says you're entitle get the fourth jabb becuase for stupid people like you. lucky. Start jabbing.

[goodbloke]

He is not playing with a full deck, totally delusional...........

wtf you have explain as how I was delusion first moron. I could just said your fertwrck. Good keep up with your meanless comments.

[goodbloke]

Bringing up cases instead of death and severe disease is the last bastion of those who don’t wanna look at the full picture
Oh didn't they said the majority were unvaccinated in hospital. it's funny nobody is dying. could explain with number and data so we can al' know as what you're trying to prove. Are you having problem interpreting datas and number. Go back to school if I were you to relearn. Or you didn't go school. mate need vaccinated your head

[goodbloke]

wow another highly vaccinated country with surging covid cases.Well done the miracle is working as it suppose to do.
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britain-reports-record-106122-new-covid-19-cases-2021-12-22/

[goodbloke]

look how competent our health professionals are. Didn't even know as what a positive and a negative covid case.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-26/sydpath-misdiagnosed-400-positive-covid-19-cases-as-negative/100726184

[goodbloke]

For the lucky vaccine recipients who survive the 10th boosters. Next we a new vaccine build with nanotechnology
for you all to enjoy. Hope you can see heaven sooner than later.
https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2021/12/us-army-creates-single-vaccine-effective-against-all-covid-sars-variants/360089/

[yug]

Hope you can see heaven sooner than later.
https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2021/12/us-army-creates-single-vaccine-effective-against-all-covid-sars-variants/360089/

Oh I am waiting to go to heaven soon.
At least there we don't have to hear your endless, crazy rant.
Or will you follow us there too?

[jayyyteee123]

Anyone else here caught the new omicron strain? As a double vaxxed, actually not the worst symptoms, just fever and tiredness for a day or so. Bad luck for anti-vaxxers...

[Climax598]

Oh I am waiting to go to heaven soon.
At least there we don't have to hear your endless, crazy rant.
Or will you follow us there too?
Oh my god I don't want him to join us. I need some peace. Let him rant in this earth.

[Bunty4]

Anyone else here caught the new omicron strain? As a double vaxxed, actually not the worst symptoms, just fever and tiredness for a day or so. Bad luck for anti-vaxxers...

For sake of science, I know a mate who is refused jab, got infected with delta and came out in 3 days time with a slight fever… nothing more… all 3 in his family exactly the same… mind you he and his family are into healthy diet and love their outdoors…. May not be everyone’s cup of tea to keep up good habits..

[studsg]

For sake of science, I know a mate who is refused jab, got infected with delta and came out in 3 days time with a slight fever… nothing more… all 3 in his family exactly the same… mind you he and his family are into healthy diet and love their outdoors…. May not be everyone’s cup of tea to keep up good habits..My mate who has transferred to work from the London office was so lucky, he's unvaccinated, 1st got the Alpha strain. Spent 3 weeks with high fever, another 2 weeks to recover from the body aches. Recovered. Now he has Delta, was in the hospital for a good 6 mth. Finally, they discharged him for in home care. He's got long Covid now, can't catch his breath to walk up 1 single flight of stairs.

They say if you catch Covid you are naturally immune, not true. Cos you can keep catching it. Different strains.

People often talk abt how mild the symptoms are if you catch it, they are the lucky ones. There are still many that end up living with long covid 18 mths later, they dun report those too much...

[GoldfishMan]

My mate who has transferred to work from the London office was so lucky, he's unvaccinated, 1st got the Alpha strain. Spent 3 weeks with high fever, another 2 weeks to recover from the body aches. Recovered. Now he has Delta, was in the hospital for a good 6 mth. Finally, they discharged him for in home care. He's got long Covid now, can't catch his breath to walk up 1 single flight of stairs.

They say if you catch Covid you are naturally immune, not true. Cos you can keep catching it. Different strains.

People often talk abt how mild the symptoms are if you catch it, they are the lucky ones. There are still many that end up living with long covid 18 mths later, they dun report those too much...
The organisation I work in hires a lot of offshore staff in India. During the Delta wave there earlier this year, there were a few of them who had family members that died from it.
Now I no longer hear any of that news. What other reason than the high vaccination rates in India now compared to back then?
Getting infected with or without the Vax is like gambling with loaded or unloaded dice. It's still a bit of a punt, but at least it gives you an upper hand.

[fted]

I highly recommend this subreddit to read about anti-vaxxers who suddenly see the light, sadly all too late:
www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/

It's Darwinism in real time; the more anti-vaxxers there are, the less anti-vaxxers there are. 🙃

[vitrium]

Use this thread as a reminder. There are plenty of unvaxxed, careless people around who don't care if they spread illness and disease through the community. Many of them are punters.

There's plenty of things you can be selfish about. But risking other peoples health during a pandemic is very poor form.

[asiafever]

Use this thread as a reminder. There are plenty of unvaxxed, careless people around who don't care if they spread illness and disease through the community. Many of them are punters.

There's plenty of things you can be selfish about. But risking other peoples health during a pandemic is very poor form.

Yep.
I'm getting bombarded with case location alerts. I was dumbfounded last week at the volume of people walking around without masks, even after the rules changed back, thinking somehow it wouldn't effect them. Then on my FB I started seeing one by one people being forced to isolate for Xmas and New Year. Now because of the sheer volume of alerts I'm getting I've decided to go into a kind of self imposed isolation. Only leave the house to walk the dogs or grab essentials. Plenty of work around the house I need to catch up on. Plus I was hoping to watch some cricket but the poms put an end to that very early on. A friend of mine works retail, she has a customer come in and spend a heap of time, no mask, turns out she stopped by for shopping on the way home from her covid test and it came back positive. Just selfish dumbfuckery.

[anonymouspunter]

Would like to hear more responses to this, if people are punting or not right now with Omicron going nuts. I'm dying for a massage but I think I'm going to hold off for the minute. It just seems too risky to me and I'd rather not have to be questioning whether I can keep my plans (and my health) over one massage. Thoughts?

[Vader]

Would like to hear more responses to this, if people are punting or not right now with Omicron going nuts. I'm dying for a massage but I think I'm going to hold off for the minute. It just seems too risky to me and I'd rather not have to be questioning whether I can keep my plans (and my health) over one massage. Thoughts?

Well with a lot of the sex industry and punters dodging QR codes you will never know

[anonymouspunter]

I just meant people on the forum..

[CharlieM]

Would like to hear more responses to this, if people are punting or not right now with Omicron going nuts. I'm dying for a massage but I think I'm going to hold off for the minute. It just seems too risky to me and I'd rather not have to be questioning whether I can keep my plans (and my health) over one massage. Thoughts?
Have been thinking the same thing. Am off work till 17th Jan. Haven't been for a punt for 2 weeks. Have family members on both my side and wife's side, vaxed and unvaxed, contract the virus 2 days before Christmas. All of them recovering well at home. My Birthday is on the 30th December. Was thinking of seeing my favourite ML that day. Not so sure. Not scared of catching the virus, as regardless of what this forum's many expert resident contagious disease experts tell us, the Premiere has said that its virtually inevitable that we will all come in contact with a carrier and it is more than likely that we will contract Covid in some form. But do I feel comfortable in spreading the virus to family and friends for the sake of a punt!...not sure yet. Have 2 more days to make up my mind.

[GoldfishMan]

I can only speak for myself. Last punt was exactly 2 weeks ago on Tuesday. It was an rnt and more. lol!
My situation is a bit different though. I can’t really punt without having to work from the office and I haven’t been in the office all this time. If I could go work in the office, who knows maybe I would still punt.

[studsg]

Had been holding off punting for awhile after the end of lockdown in Oct and only restarted the last week of Nov and stopped just before 15 Dec when numbers shot above 1.3k per day. Not gonna risk it until things stabilise.

And it's funny how frequently in conversations with friends and colleagues when we chat abt cases and I remind them that Omicron isn't the only variant around. Delta is still spreading at the same time too. People went....oh yeah... So many ppl are focused on Omicron being at the front of the news, and how the media is hyping abt how mild the symptoms are, they forget, Delta is not gone yet.

[Wok]

I personally appreciate that people are scared of covid, because I’m nowhere near dedicated enough to try and book all the popular girls who are booked out the day prior to their shift.
So, this way I get to try all the “greatest hits”, whereas I’d normally never get the chance.
Covid is my homeboy.

[AHLUNGOR]

I can only speak for myself. Last punt was exactly 2 weeks ago on Tuesday. It was an rnt and more. lol!
My situation is a bit different though. I can’t really punt without having to work from the office and I haven’t been in the office all this time. If I could go work in the office, who knows maybe I would still punt.


You are not alone there Bro,

Totally no punting during the lockdown of my LGA!

When I’m back to work , started having some punting freedom again . But gee, you have to be very brave to still punt regularly during these 5/6,000 a day outbreak .

If you are single and don’t live with older family members then perhaps you can risk it.

Still waiting for my turn for the booster .

[Rooster18]

Like most bros, here...taking the sensible approach and refraining while the cases are as high as they are.

Funny thing, had a punt about a week ago and thought get it out my system before a nice break during the festive season and this COVID spike but because the session was so good... it has made me wanting to jump back in asap.. esp when I know the girl will be back on shift from next week. Aren't we just sorry pricks?? (Well me anyway..)

[Vader]

11,201 today. Hazard said it would be 25,000 by the end of January and he was heckled. On this tracking it will go way past that.

[warwick1]

11,201 today. Hazard said it would be 25,000 by the end of January and he was heckled. On this tracking it will go way past that.

Holy crap!!.........

[smh]

Think the bright side, only three deaths.

[GoldfishMan]

Think the bright side, only three deaths.
You don't just get it, keel over and die immediately. Too early to correlate case numbers with deaths.

[GoldfishMan]

Also like to point out, the ratio of number of positive cases vs number of tests has risen tremendously even when compared to during the peak of the Delta wave. We're currently at about 7.13% of tests being positive. Not sure how to correlate this with the general public though.

[Climax598]

Just wait till after New Year day the figure can go 25000 don't have to wait till end of January

[CharlieM]

Also like to point out, the ratio of number of positive cases vs number of tests has risen tremendously even when compared to during the peak of the Delta wave. We're currently at about 7.13% of tests being positive. Not sure how to correlate this with the general public though.

I read it somewhere yesterday that the "WHO" states anything over 5% is a big problem.

[AHLUNGOR]

Total still only have 625 people in hospital, 61 in ICU and 23 using ventilator.

Considering we have 47K cases in the past week. I guess the systems so far is coping. But the testing sectors are getting overwhelmed!

[cuteguy]

What I don't understand is if Hazzard was forecasting 25000 cases in January then why didn't he prepare for it? He is the Health minister. Why not allocate more funding for tests or other measures to handle any new cases? PCR tests are not 100% reliable and take time to get results. Why not order enough supply of RATs so people can test themselves and have results within 15 minutes?

[kiddoh]

Total still only have 625 people in hospital, 61 in ICU and 23 using ventilator.

Considering we have 47K cases in the past week. I guess the systems so far is coping. But the testing sectors are getting overwhelmed!


Yeah, assuming that even if 5% of the cases are ending up in hospital it would be ~2500 and given that they have false positives. It would be just a matter of time when that opens up, and not sure how many cases are not accounted for.

Hopefully they have all the backup plans for uncertainty.

Our only best is that the variant is not as effective as the delta. May be it will just a flu kinda of scenario. It will won’t be alarming but it will stay and we can get boosters until a proper medication is evolved.

[Climax598]

With this premier is your responsibility to protect yourself. With the previous premier is the government responsibility to protect you. Now we know how a different a change of leader can have different outcome from the same political party.

[Riff888]

I know heaps of Thai girls who work in taverns now have Omicron.

Some are posting constant updates of their situation on social media.

Seems like the government puts you in hotel isolation if you live in a share house. The girls seem to be recovering okay though.

Sent from my GM1910 using Tapatalk

[Rooster18]

I think the gov has decided the horse has bolted and are taking the odds that it needs to be managed instead of eradicated.. Maybe with the new Pifer pill for covid treatment, they think we can live with it and get along with our lives??

Unfort for business n families, it is not that easy to constantly adapt..

[Vader]

I think the gov has decided the horse has bolted and are taking the odds that it needs to be managed instead of eradicated.. Maybe with the new Pifer pill for covid treatment, they think we can live with it and get along with our lives??

Unfort for business n families, it is not that easy to constantly adapt..

The Government never said it would be eradicated. It just has to be managed while each variant is less and it ends up being just another flu strain.

[CharlieM]

I still don't understand what all the fuss is about....close to 95% double vaxed. One of the highest vaxed places in the world. The vaxed are at low risk to contract Covid and, can't spread the virus or end up in hospital. The 11,000 plus infections are all unvaxed.

[fted]

I still don't understand what all the fuss is about....close to 95% double vaxed. One of the highest vaxed places in the world. The vaxed are at low risk to contract Covid and, can't spread the virus or end up in hospital. The 11,000 plus infections are all unvaxed.
Where did you get these stats from?

[CharlieM]

Where did you get these stats from?

There are 2 stats there....both from the NSW Health website. 93.5% double vaxed and second stat 11201 infections recorded to 8pm yesterday

[Ziggurat]

The 11,000 plus infections are all unvaxed.

I think fted wanted to know where you got this statistic.

[CharlieM]

I think fted wanted to know where you got this statistic.

That's not a statistic it's an obvious assumption on my part. Just a rough calculation.

[Ziggurat]

We are almost 95% vaccinated so it is likely that at least 80% of the new cases are vaccinated. Why don't they give this interesting data to the public? Why do they keep it to themselves like we are children?

[studsg]

Total still only have 625 people in hospital, 61 in ICU and 23 using ventilator.

Considering we have 47K cases in the past week. I guess the systems so far is coping. But the testing sectors are getting overwhelmed!NSW had 347 cases in hospital with 45 in ICU on the 23 Dec, that was just 6 days ago. If we focus on hospitalisation. That's like double in 6 days.

People don't get hospitalised for drippy noses.

Plus thousands of hospital staff are close contacts that need to isolate now since the Premier overruled the CHO and removed all mask and QR code.

I wouldn't say the state is coping well. Now they are just trying to cover up their bad decisions... With probably more bad decisions

[studsg]

We are almost 95% vaccinated so it is likely that at least 80% of the new cases are vaccinated. Why don't they give this interesting data to the public? Why do they keep it to themselves like we are children?The 95% are those over 16 and they only had 1 jab. If you include those below 16 only 80% of all had 1 jab.

Which means between 400K - 1M (depending on the age group inclusions) are still unvaccinated.

The health minister did say most of the hospitalised are unvaccinated. He didn't say ALL were unvaccinated.

[anonymouspunter]

That's not a statistic it's an obvious assumption on my part. Just a rough calculation.
People who make shit up for no reason are annoying. The hospitalised cases are mostly unvaccinated. The 11,000 per day people who have contracted Covid are not. They're also mostly fine. Thanks to the vaccine.

[CharlieM]

People who make shit up for no reason are annoying. The hospitalised cases are mostly unvaccinated. The 11,000 per day people who have contracted Covid are not. They're also mostly fine. Thanks to the vaccine.
Lucky I'm the only one onthis forum making shit up.

[GoldfishMan]

NSW had 347 cases in hospital with 45 in ICU on the 23 Dec, that was just 6 days ago. If we focus on hospitalisation. That's like double in 6 days.

People don't get hospitalised for drippy noses.

Plus thousands of hospital staff are close contacts that need to isolate now since the Premier overruled the CHO and removed all mask and QR code.

I wouldn't say the state is coping well. Now they are just trying to cover up their bad decisions... With probably more bad decisions
Yeah, I was going to bring up this stat. The hospitalization rate has basically doubled within a week. That is NOT good. It's certainly not what the "leaders" were hoping for.

At the end of the day, it's not about hospitalization rate vs infection rate "looking OK", it's about whether or not the health system can cope with it. And "it" in this case, is the trajectory of the hospitalization rate. If it's heading in a direction that the administrators know that it will hit a number that will break the system, they would have no choice but to reimpose lockdowns. That's what's happening in Europe, although you'd have to take into account that they're in the middle of a harsh winter.

Also consider, Australia has an ICU beds ratio of 9.1/100k population.

[Ziggurat]

That is where the stats they won't tell us are so important. If the hospitalisation increase is all or nearly all unvcaccinated, then it can be solved by vaccination.

[GoldfishMan]

NSW had 12,226 cases from 97,201 tests. That’s a roughly 12.58% infections to tests ratio.
If they’d carried out the same number of tests as the day before and assuming the same ratio applies, we would’ve hit almost 20k new cases today.

[CharlieM]

NSW had 12,226 cases from 97,201 tests. That’s a roughly 12.58% infections to tests ratio.
If they’d carried out the same number of tests as the day before and assuming the same ratio applies, we would’ve hit almost 20k new cases today.

I know we all stir and have a go at each other. We all have our own opinion and some may be passionate. But with this news I would just like to say to all the Brother Punters, pro vax or anti vax.... take care and Stay safe.

[GoldfishMan]

I know we all stir and have a go at each other. We all have our own opinion and some may be passionate. But with this news I would just like to say to all the Brother Punters, pro vax or anti vax.... take care and Stay safe.

Agreed, good luck to us all. I’m over that whole debate.
Forgot to mention, the hospitalisation rates continue to be a worry. 20% increase from yesterday. Considering the lag of new hospitalisations from new infections, I think this number will keep spiking up just like the infections started spiking up a week ago.

[AHLUNGOR]

Brad Hazzard knew what he was talking about when he warned we could see 25,000 cases a day in January and he ain’t joking :


The spiking case numbers come in the wake of Mr Hazzard’s December 15 warning that modelling suggested “by the end of January, we could be looking at 25,000 cases of the virus every single day”.

[Ziggurat]

Ok, I've got some figures, 2/3rds of those in hospital and ICU are unvaxxed. Therefore it is possible to slash the hospitalisation rate by two thirds.

Edit: Actually those better at maths than me realise there is a small logical flaw in this, I know myself but don't have the nous to figure it out.

[studsg]

There are many countries with many different models of approach to "living with Covid". Unfortunately, our leaders have chosen the UK model of letting the infection run wild.

Just sharing from what we see in Singapore. They too eased restrictions and went into the same mode of "living with Covid". But they have daily numbers between 200-300 range. And this is a high density city where social distancing is near impossible, everyone is packed in apartments with shared corridors and lifts. They kept QR codes, retail density limits, social distance limits, face mask rules both indoors and outdoors... Seems to make a big difference.

Numbers from the official Health Ministry in Singapore

https://www.moh.gov.sg/

They also have a statistics page which shows of the number of people in hospital, which are vaccinated or unvaccinated. So there isn't any ambiguity

https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/statistics/

[studsg]

Brad Hazzard knew what he was talking about when he warned we could see 25,000 cases a day in January and he ain’t joking :


The spiking case numbers come in the wake of Mr Hazzard’s December 15 warning that modelling suggested “by the end of January, we could be looking at 25,000 cases of the virus every single day”.The scary part of modelling is that it's based on "the rules applied to the model".

So when the leaders put in a model which says let all the infected mingle with the uninfected without face mask, social distance, etc... What did we think the outcome would be ?

Hospital, airports, pathology, soon food suppliers, postman, childcare, age care, teachers, train and bus drivers will all be out of service...

While Omicron may not be lethal to some. It's only maybe 50% of the infections. What happens to those who catches Delta ? Or other variants like Lambda, etc ?

[GoldfishMan]

There are many countries with many different models of approach to "living with Covid". Unfortunately, our leaders have chosen the UK model of letting the infection run wild.

Just sharing from what we see in Singapore. They too eased restrictions and went into the same mode of "living with Covid". But they have daily numbers between 200-300 range. And this is a high density city where social distancing is near impossible, everyone is packed in apartments with shared corridors and lifts. They kept QR codes, retail density limits, social distance limits, face mask rules both indoors and outdoors... Seems to make a big difference.

Numbers from the official Health Ministry in Singapore

https://www.moh.gov.sg/

They also have a statistics page which shows of the number of people in hospital, which are vaccinated or unvaccinated. So there isn't any ambiguity

https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/statistics/
The SG Gov also made sure to distribute the free RAT kits to all residents before lifting their lockdown, along with keeping those precautions you mentioned.

Seriously, there have been so many missteps from the NSW State Gov. It’s like the Premier only had his eyes on the “prize” of a reopened economy and nothing else. I see his mug on SMH everyday, mouth open yapping away at how we must all go out and celebrate NYE to support the NSW economy. Makes me want to punch him in the face.

Everyday there’s a new “revelation” that they should’ve done something they hadn’t. Open up without preparing the testing capacity to handle it. Wait till you see how the RAT kits are going to be distributed, that’s going to be another joke. Where’s the postal capacity to distribute it? And don’t forget Australia does not have mandatory IDs with people’s addresses on them like SG. How are they going to send the kits out?

[Vader]

The SG Gov also made sure to distribute the free RAT kits to all residents before lifting their lockdown, along with keeping those precautions you mentioned.

Seriously, there have been so many missteps from the NSW State Gov. It’s like the Premier only had his eyes on the “prize” of a reopened economy and nothing else. I see his mug on SMH everyday, mouth open yapping away at how we must all go out and celebrate NYE to support the NSW economy. Makes me want to punch him in the face.

Everyday there’s a new “revelation” that they should’ve done something they hadn’t. Open up without preparing the testing capacity to handle it. Wait till you see how the RAT kits are going to be distributed, that’s going to be another joke. Where’s the postal capacity to distribute it? And don’t forget Australia does not have mandatory IDs with people’s addresses on them like SG. How are they going to send the kits out?

But don't forget Glady's wanted to open up on December 1st.

[AHLUNGOR]

There are many countries with many different models of approach to "living with Covid". Unfortunately, our leaders have chosen the UK model of letting the infection run wild.

Just sharing from what we see in Singapore. They too eased restrictions and went into the same mode of "living with Covid". But they have daily numbers between 200-300 range. And this is a high density city where social distancing is near impossible, everyone is packed in apartments with shared corridors and lifts. They kept QR codes, retail density limits, social distance limits, face mask rules both indoors and outdoors... Seems to make a big difference.

Numbers from the official Health Ministry in Singapore

https://www.moh.gov.sg/

They also have a statistics page which shows of the number of people in hospital, which are vaccinated or unvaccinated. So there isn't any ambiguity

https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/statistics/

The safest place on earth as far as Covid safe goes is Hong Kong right now . Not so much the government doing the right thing but the people doing the right things to protect themselves and their families.

[GoldfishMan]

But don't forget Glady's wanted to open up on December 1st.

That may be true, but the difference here is she never got to executing the reopening, he did.

Nobody knows how she would’ve done it. More cautiously or less? All we can do is consider what they have been doing or saying before all this and it all indicates that she’s the more cautious type, whereas he’s always been against lockdowns and always been pro economy above all else.

Tell you what… those small business owners would surely prefer a more controlled reopening than just letting all hell break loose. Now it is clear that people are locking down on their own.

[tpol]

Hk still has 21 day quarantine which is probably playing a big part

[wachumba]

Ok, I've got some figures, 2/3rds of those in hospital and ICU are unvaxxed. Therefore it is possible to slash the hospitalisation rate by two thirds.

Edit: Actually those better at maths than me realise there is a small logical flaw in this, I know myself but don't have the nous to figure it out.

There is no way to know if those 2/3 unvaxxed would still have ended up in hospital after getting the vaccine like some vaccinated people.

[wachumba]

There are many countries with many different models of approach to "living with Covid". Unfortunately, our leaders have chosen the UK model of letting the infection run wild.

Just sharing from what we see in Singapore. They too eased restrictions and went into the same mode of "living with Covid". But they have daily numbers between 200-300 range. And this is a high density city where social distancing is near impossible, everyone is packed in apartments with shared corridors and lifts. They kept QR codes, retail density limits, social distance limits, face mask rules both indoors and outdoors... Seems to make a big difference.

Numbers from the official Health Ministry in Singapore

https://www.moh.gov.sg/

They also have a statistics page which shows of the number of people in hospital, which are vaccinated or unvaccinated. So there isn't any ambiguity

https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/statistics/

We should have opened up with masks and QR codes like HK and SG but Dom wanted the popularity vote and didnt listen to the medical advice. Wearing masks and QR codes do not affect opening up and it was a logical step that should have been done. Western countries seem to have bigger issues with the "rights" and the use of masks where masks are much are normal in asian countries.

Unless i cant find it, i doubt australia will publish the data for number of vaxxed/unvaxxed in hospital apart from in some reports as the number of unvaxxed will slowly rise in the next few weeks simply because majority or the population are vaxxed so even if 10% of vaccinated people end up in hospital and 100% of unvaxxed end up in hospital, the number of vaccinated will be more. if you look at the 16+ years olds as an example, 93.5% of them are double vaxxed. 10% of 93% is 9.3% of population (that are vaccinated) will end up in hospital against the 6.5% of population that aren't vaccinated. Im not sure if the theory is fully right but you get the drift. the anti vaxxers will wrongly use the rising numbers of vaccinated in hospitals without showing context like this and say the vaccine is not effective and many people arent smart enough to realise and will blinded follow the anti vaxxers advice like sheep.

[Vader]

That may be true, but the difference here is she never got to executing the reopening, he did.

Nobody knows how she would’ve done it. More cautiously or less? All we can do is consider what they have been doing or saying before all this and it all indicates that she’s the more cautious type, whereas he’s always been against lockdowns and always been pro economy above all else.

Tell you what… those small business owners would surely prefer a more controlled reopening than just letting all hell break loose. Now it is clear that people are locking down on their own.

She was going to do exactly what he did. All he did was delay her plan for two weeks. Don't shoot me I am only the messenger on the facts.

[Ziggurat]

. 10% of 93% is 9.3% of population (that are vaccinated) will end up in hospital against the 6.5% of population that aren't vaccinated. Im not sure if the theory is fully right but you get the drift. the anti vaxxers will wrongly use the rising numbers of vaccinated in hospitals without showing context

Yeah, that is the maths I couldn't figure out but is true. Or it's related ie, two thirds of ICUs are unvaxxed, but if 100% of us were vaxxed, there is sone logic that is telling me that ICU's would be more than just one third of the present ratio. Any takers? :D

[storry_teller]

Soon or later we all catch it so just need to prepare for bad situation happen. Take vitamin C, and Armaforce daily should be good.

[wachumba]

She was going to do exactly what he did. All he did was delay her plan for two weeks. Don't shoot me I am only the messenger on the facts.

Gladys might have delayed it even longer or changed the rules to still require masks and qr as she took the health advice more seriously that Dom doesn't care for. We will never know what she would have done buy I would still prefer to have her still as the premier.

[wachumba]

Yeah, that is the maths I couldn't figure out but is true. Or it's related ie, two thirds of ICUs are unvaxxed, but if 100% of us were vaxxed, there is sone logic that is telling me that ICU's would be more than just one third of the present ratio. Any takers? :D

Statistically, it should be higher than the one third if 100% vaxxed. Some of those two thirds could have ended up in hospital even with the vaccine as the vaccine is not 100% effective at stopping severe symptoms. Even less so with omicron.

[studsg]

Statistically, it should be higher than the one third if 100% vaxxed. Some of those two thirds could have ended up in hospital even with the vaccine as the vaccine is not 100% effective at stopping severe symptoms. Even less so with omicron.All we can do is make assumptions unless NSW Health releases numbers of unvax vs vaxxed in hospital and ICU.

But going by what the stats in SG say, 50% of their hospitalised are unvax, followed by 35% who only had 1 jab and 15% are vaxxed. This may or may not apply here, but I'll wager it'll be similar or close.

Of course in the 1 jab group, we know will not have adequate protection against any strain...

Agree with Bro Goldfishman in that it's very concerning that both hospitalisation and ICU has doubled in 1 week. With the leaders signalling a move to herd immunity (where Sweden tried & failed) and introduction of the new definition of Close Contact. We know this number will just keep climbing until our hospital and Ambo service is overwhelmed

[GoldfishMan]

She was going to do exactly what he did. All he did was delay her plan for two weeks. Don't shoot me I am only the messenger on the facts.
Why would I shoot you, lol!

Look, “going to” does not equal “has done”. Like I said, nobody knows what she would’ve done, not you not me. All we know is, thank you very much icac, DP ended up in the hot seat and was the one who has done it the way that it has been done. Nobody can go back in time to replay the whole thing with Gladys there.

[studsg]

The safest place on earth as far as Covid safe goes is Hong Kong right now . Not so much the government doing the right thing but the people doing the right things to protect themselves and their families.Thank you Bro ALG for pointing out how well HK has prevented a massive outbreak of Covid infections despite only having 68% of its population vaccinated.

Had a read. They did studies and "modelling" and arrived at non-medical intervention was key to prevention of massive infections. By this they employed not only masks and social distancing. The 2 key ingredients were 1 - any positive cases were taken away for hospital isolation (taken out of the community). 2 - deploy massive amount of resources to testing including where cases turn up in some suburbs, they would send teams to test every apartment in the area and move all positive cases to hospital for isolation.

This has resulted in only having less than 10 new cases daily (mostly return travellers), even in earlier waves they never exceeded 180 cases per day.

Well done Hong Kong.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/11/24/hong-kong-demonstrates-effective-use-of-covid-public-health-mitigation/?sh=4a051f386f86

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanwpc/article/PIIS2666-6065(21)00252-2/fulltext

[DireStraits]

Why would I shoot you, lol!

Look, “going to” does not equal “has done”. Like I said, nobody knows what she would’ve done, not you not me. All we know is, thank you very much icac, DP ended up in the hot seat and was the one who has done it the way that it has been done. Nobody can go back in time to replay the whole thing with Gladys there.
Exactly! Also, those saying “Gladys wanted to open up on December 1st” seem to have entirely forgotten that there was no Omicron here in NSW at the time. Then DP became premier and said he’ll do away with QR codes + masks and then blindly stuck to his word even while Omicron was causing case numbers to shoot up and it being obviously a bad decision to stick to the plan.

[gthgrt]

All we can do is make assumptions unless NSW Health releases numbers of unvax vs vaxxed in hospital and ICU.

That information is on the covid live site.

https://covidlive.com.au/report/vaccination-status/nsw

NSW Health do put out a "Weekly" Surveillance Report that has that information, but the latest one only covers up to 11 Dec 21.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/weekly-reports.aspx

[Jamez11]

Thank you Bro ALG for pointing out how well HK has prevented a massive outbreak of Covid infections despite only having 68% of its population vaccinated.

Had a read. They did studies and "modelling" and arrived at non-medical intervention was key to prevention of massive infections. By this they employed not only masks and social distancing. The 2 key ingredients were 1 - any positive cases were taken away for hospital isolation (taken out of the community). 2 - deploy massive amount of resources to testing including where cases turn up in some suburbs, they would send teams to test every apartment in the area and move all positive cases to hospital for isolation.

This has resulted in only having less than 10 new cases daily (mostly return travellers), even in earlier waves they never exceeded 180 cases per day.

Well done Hong Kong.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/11/24/hong-kong-demonstrates-effective-use-of-covid-public-health-mitigation/?sh=4a051f386f86

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanwpc/article/PIIS2666-6065(21)00252-2/fulltext

Most Australians don't want another lockdown like HK.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/27/covid-hong-kong-quarantine-omicron/
We're in the middle of summer with relatively high and recent vaccination rates with a world class hospital system that managed with delta that's far more dangerous than omicron. It's going to take a combination of natural immunity, vaccines, common sense and "living with the virus" not lockdowns. This surge like all others will pass whether it's in a month or two it will pass and with the variant being more like the common cold the world is not going to crash and burn.

[Vader]

Exactly! Also, those saying “Gladys wanted to open up on December 1st” seem to have entirely forgotten that there was no Omicron here in NSW at the time. Then DP became premier and said he’ll do away with QR codes + masks and then blindly stuck to his word even while Omicron was causing case numbers to shoot up and it being obviously a bad decision to stick to the plan.

Correct, no Omicron on December 1st. So she would have have opened then Omicron would have circulated after that so really we would be going in the same direction. By the way I am no fan of Gladys. Their plan is for herd immunity now that we have a weaker strain. 21,151 cases today.

[Vader]

Why would I shoot you, lol!

Look, “going to” does not equal “has done”. Like I said, nobody knows what she would’ve done, not you not me. All we know is, thank you very much icac, DP ended up in the hot seat and was the one who has done it the way that it has been done. Nobody can go back in time to replay the whole thing with Gladys there.

She said exactly what she was going to do and she would have done it because Omicron wasn't here.

[warwick1]

On a lighter note I noticed "Goodbloke" was finally banned, he'll be easy to pick when he turns up again with his next "handle"

[wachumba]

That information is on the covid live site.

https://covidlive.com.au/report/vaccination-status/nsw

NSW Health do put out a "Weekly" Surveillance Report that has that information, but the latest one only covers up to 11 Dec 21.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/weekly-reports.aspx

The covidlive link Doesn't show the daily vaxxed/unvaxxed numbers. The weekly reports are too late to provide useful information.

People want to know the daily numbers in hospital/ICU that are vaxxed or unvaxxed but I suspect NSW health won't out it out as they realise that anti vaxxers will use the numbers without context and too many people are too dumb to look at the fact that less percentage of vaxxed are in hospital against more percentage of unvaxxed.

[GoldfishMan]

Silver lining in today's numbers, only 17 new hospitalisations. Let's hope this indicates that what they're saying about Omicron is true, that it is far less lethal than Delta. Maybe the pick-up in new hospitalisations from the last week were from the tail end of Delta infections.

[fted]

Silver lining in today's numbers, only 17 new hospitalisations. Let's hope this indicates that what they're saying about Omicron is true, that it is far less lethal than Delta. Maybe the pick-up in new hospitalisations from the last week were from the tail end of Delta infections.
Is it far less deadly, or do we have a much more vaccinated population? Maybe assume combination of both.

[studsg]

On the 27 to 28 Dec there was also a lull in new cases that went 6324 to 6062. Hospitalised was also a small increase from 521 to 557. It's too early to tell, plus it's new years eve, many ppl are avoiding testing to avoid having to isolate during the new year.

[studsg]

Most Australians don't want another lockdown like HK.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/27/covid-hong-kong-quarantine-omicron/
We're in the middle of summer with relatively high and recent vaccination rates with a world class hospital system that managed with delta that's far more dangerous than omicron. It's going to take a combination of natural immunity, vaccines, common sense and "living with the virus" not lockdowns. This surge like all others will pass whether it's in a month or two it will pass and with the variant being more like the common cold the world is not going to crash and burn.There isn't any lockdown in HK. Moving the positive cases to a dedicated hospital setting where ppl get proper medical care compared to Aus where ppl have to lock themselves in their bedrooms, plus if there are elderly or immuno-compromised members in the family. You risk passing it to them by isolating at home.

The low infection rate also improves confidence for the rest to go out and boost the economy. Wouldn't we all rather be out there punting if NSW had only 7 new cases daily ?

[cuteguy]

On the 27 to 28 Dec there was also a lull in new cases that went 6324 to 6062. Hospitalised was also a small increase from 521 to 557. It's too early to tell, plus it's new years eve, many ppl are avoiding testing to avoid having to isolate during the new year.

There may well be some avoiding testing but on the news it showed long queues of people waiting for hours to get tested. Is it just panic that is causing people to get tested when they have no symptoms or for the purpose of travelling? Even the NSW Premier was advising people who showed no symptoms to stay away from testing but many ignore his request.

[Vader]

There may well be some avoiding testing but on the news it showed long queues of people waiting for hours to get tested. Is it just panic that is causing people to get tested when they have no symptoms or for the purpose of travelling? Even the NSW Premier was advising people who showed no symptoms to stay away from testing but many ignore his request.

Yes, the media have a lot to answer for a lot of the time but that is what sells news. Anyway, in the next few weeks we will probably all have caught it and the Doherty Institute advice of herd immunity will have done its trick.

[Yougottabe]

The media really have a lot to answer for. If Victoria had 21000 cases today News Ltd would be attacking Dan Andrews nonstop. Yet Dom & the Liberal party get off Scott free. Speaking of Scott Morrison the idiot really needs to read the room or his advisors do. He has just given us a New Year’s Eve speech. We don’t want to hear from him. It’s New Year Eve for fucks sake. Though so did Albanese. In Victoria the media mostly news Ltd brainwashed the readers & apparently 3AW listeners & think Scott Morrison is doing a wonderful job. Mind you this is mostly everyone over 60.

[Climax598]

The media really have a lot to answer for. If Victoria had 21000 cases today News Ltd would be attacking Dan Andrews nonstop. Yet Dom & the Liberal party get off Scott free. Speaking of Scott Morrison the idiot really needs to read the room or his advisors do. He has just given us a New Year’s Eve speech. We don’t want to hear from him. It’s New Year Eve for fucks sake. Though so did Albanese. In Victoria the media mostly news Ltd brainwashed the readers & apparently 3AW listeners & think Scott Morrison is doing a wonderful job. Mind you this is mostly everyone over 60.
Correct how so true. If it was Victoria, Dan is to be hang and burn in front of Victoria parliament.

[studsg]

Yes, the media have a lot to answer for a lot of the time but that is what sells news. Anyway, in the next few weeks we will probably all have caught it and the Doherty Institute advice of herd immunity will have done its trick.And that is what is really worrying the medical community. The reckless push by Govt toward herd immunity. Many other countries have tried and failed with herd immunity.

The results were more sick, more deaths, lower confidence, lower employment and eventually negative economic output.

As epidemiologists have indicated. The more widespread a variant and the longer it spreads. The more chances of it mutating into more variants. We have seen that with Alpha, Delta, etc. Hence the approach to have large populations get infected with Omicron won't get us herd immunity, it will just create other variants.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-higher-death-rate-2021-8?r=US&IR=T

[moz]

We aren't targetting here immunity.

We are staying the course on what was announced many months ago.
Protect the hospital system until sufficient people are vaccinated, then get on with life.

[fted]

Looks like Omicron is less severe, which, along with high vaccination rates, hopefully means we can keep hospitalisation numbers down.
https://archive.md/Z53a5

Domicron's strategy of just letting it rip looks like it's turning into a disaster, however.

[wachumba]

We aren't targetting here immunity.

We are staying the course on what was announced many months ago.
Protect the hospital system until sufficient people are vaccinated, then get on with life.

You can get on with life with masks and QR codes. Masks don't stop "opening up" that everybody says needed to happen. The health advice was to wear masks but Dom pulling rank and his cock trying to win popularity votes.

[tpol]

I wonder if hk can keep covered no. Down with omicron

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/hong-kong-says-omicron-variant-has-spread-despite-covid-restrictions-2021-12-31/

[studsg]

We aren't targetting here immunity.

We are staying the course on what was announced many months ago.
Protect the hospital system until sufficient people are vaccinated, then get on with life.Someone needs to tell that to ScoMo, Greg Hunt, Brad and Dom who is setting the strategy as "everyone will get Covid"... I wonder if that is not herd immunity, what should it be called ?

Also, when they say everyone will get Covid, they cannot guarantee ppl they will only get Omicron. What happens if they get Delta, etc ? You can't choose which virus you get exposed to...

[Vader]

Someone needs to tell that to ScoMo, Greg Hunt, Brad and Dom who is setting the strategy as "everyone will get Covid"... I wonder if that is not herd immunity, what should it be called ?

Also, when they say everyone will get Covid, they cannot guarantee ppl they will only get Omicron. What happens if they get Delta, etc ? You can't choose which virus you get exposed to...

It is the Doherty Institute that is guiding them. And yes it is herd immunity.

[studsg]

It is the Doherty Institute that is guiding them. And yes it is herd immunity.It's a vicious circle. The Doherty Institute gets paid to create a model based on requirements provided to them, in this case the prioritisation of economic factors over the impact to peoples health. But our leaders like to use that as an escape clause, that it's not them but the institute's model...

[fted]

Someone needs to tell that to ScoMo, Greg Hunt, Brad and Dom who is setting the strategy as "everyone will get Covid"... I wonder if that is not herd immunity, what should it be called ?

Also, when they say everyone will get Covid, they cannot guarantee ppl they will only get Omicron. What happens if they get Delta, etc ? You can't choose which virus you get exposed to...
It's telling, now that they've objectively failed, that they're saying "everyone will get covid."
I don't recall them saying "everyone will get the flu" in the past, and therefore to just accept it.
I don't want to get covid, the flu, or anything else for that matter.

[GoldfishMan]

We're called "The Lucky Country" for a good reason. It is expressed in the book and I wholeheartedly agree, we get to where we need to be, not by means of adept leadership, but instead by sheer luck. Our Minister for Health is a lawyer by profession. He's not exactly "in his element", is he?
Same for DP, also a lawyer. Scomo... As far as I can tell, he's just a guy with an Econs degree who used to appear in Vicks Vapour Rub commercials, and somehow got into politics.

None of them actually have any expertise in managing a public health problem.

I guess that's why we have ministers / premiers / PMs, and then we have Health Officers. Now those ARE real qualified people with immense knowledge in their field of profession. They're doctors or have proper qualifications in health. All these politicians rely on them for their knowledge and well informed decisions.

That is why, when the politicians start diverging from the advice or opinions of the CHOs, the public should really be worried. It is a complete anomaly in the system.

Let's hope Lady Luck does continue to smile upon Australia to see us through this.

[Ziggurat]

I don't want to get covid, the flu, or anything else for that matter.

In the sense that you may only get the flu only every 3 or 5 years everyone also eventually gets the flu. With covid that will just happen quicker.

On another note, Missy Higgins during that often excellent ABC New Years Eve multiperformer concert, said "support us! We (the music industry) have so many live shows scheduled for the next six months." I wonder if they will be truly happening?

One thing about that NYE concert was how amazed and relieved I was to actually be seeing live music, even it was just on tv, it was still live and in the present.

[Vader]

It's a vicious circle. The Doherty Institute gets paid to create a model based on requirements provided to them, in this case the prioritisation of economic factors over the impact to peoples health. But our leaders like to use that as an escape clause, that it's not them but the institute's model...

Everything has a crack, that's how the light gets through

[studsg]

15 Dec 2021 we had 166 in hospital and 24 in ICU. Today we have 1066 in hospital and 83 in ICU.

It's annoying that news media is not questioning why when the msg is Omicron is "mild" don't worry and just go out and catch it... Are they placing "mild" cases into the hospital ? Surely not ?

Hospital and Ambo staff are being forced to work even if they test positive.

How is that a sign our healthcare system is coping ?

Agree with Bro Goldfishman. The leaders of our country is fxxxxx. We need luck to get out of this death spiral now...

[Vader]

15 Dec 2021 we had 166 in hospital and 24 in ICU. Today we have 1066 in hospital and 83 in ICU.

It's annoying that news media is not questioning why when the msg is Omicron is "mild" don't worry and just go out and catch it... Are they placing "mild" cases into the hospital ? Surely not ?

Hospital and Ambo staff are being forced to work even if they test positive.

How is that a sign our healthcare system is coping ?

Agree with Bro Goldfishman. The leaders of our country is fxxxxx. We need luck to get out of this death spiral now...

Just imagine the shit we would be in if each way Albo was in charge.

[4647]

Just imagine the shit we would be in if each way Albo was in charge.

If you still think that way after the last two years there is no hope

[warwick1]

If you still think that way after the last two years there is no hope

Albo changes his policies depending what town or state he is trying to impress......

[Sharphorse]

Hmm Liberal party has been in power for over 7 years now so I think it’s time to stop trying blame Labor and for them to take some responsibility…

[4647]

Albo changes his policies depending what town or state he is trying to impress......
And scmo dosen't I don't get your point??

[studsg]

I used to vote for the Libs. While they were run by moderates. Now the Libs are run by far right extremists.

From denying climate change while our farms and houses burned from more frequent bush fires, to borrowing Billions to buy missiles and nuclear submarines. And supporting the bullying of women and fake news from Craig Kelly and George Christensen. Defunding the health and education sector. They have really lost their way.

I mean any sane, logical leader would be spending those Billions for cleaner energy, buying more water planes (not just 1) to help with bush fires around the country, more hospitals and staff and improving our education sectors... Nope the Libs are doing the exact opposite...

At this point. I'll vote for a Wombat rather than a Lib...

[tpol]

This is already happening.

So I reckon the girls now are dictating terms to their bosses

[Jamit]

This is already happening.

So I reckon the girls now are dictating terms to their bosses

Im not sure how the shops are surviving right now. I guess MLs and WLs are in the firing line for covid. They will be off sick for a week and then basically immune from then on, if they come out of it okay.

Yep, basically all that can be done has been done (vaccines and boosters). All that is left to do is we all get it and then the virus dies out whilst a few of us getting really sick and perhaps dying. The consumption led economy is the priority now.

Remember that there are lots of nasties out there other than covid;stis, undiagnosed heart disease, skin cancer, reckless driving, not looking after mental health over a long period....

[Jamez11]

I used to vote for the Libs. While they were run by moderates. Now the Libs are run by far right extremists.

From denying climate change while our farms and houses burned from more frequent bush fires, to borrowing Billions to buy missiles and nuclear submarines. And supporting the bullying of women and fake news from Craig Kelly and George Christensen. Defunding the health and education sector. They have really lost their way.

I mean any sane, logical leader would be spending those Billions for cleaner energy, buying more water planes (not just 1) to help with bush fires around the country, more hospitals and staff and improving our education sectors... Nope the Libs are doing the exact opposite...

At this point. I'll vote for a Wombat rather than a Lib...

It's a virus, that has consistent patterns across most of the globe independent of what political party is running the country. Cases are surging in the US, Canada, Scandinavia, parts of Europe which are leaders on the 'left'.

On another note there is an article making the rounds about how a significant amount of cases in hospital are incendental, which is the exact same thing that happened in South Africa.


https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/up-to-half-of-nsw-covid-hospital-patients-went-in-for-something-totally-different-and-were-positive-in-routine-testing/news-story/603db6feed20422b3e8b57fd0e159fdb


The health system is still under strain, but it will manage just like delta. Hopefully with omicron it may be a turning point to lessen future surges. Turning this into a political shit fight is pointless and gets us no where.

[GoldfishMan]

They're now saying that the high hospitalizaton rates are because the patient's went to hospital for something else and just happened to test positive for COVID. What do you think? Are they just trying to downplay it?

[local]

I recently heard that Omicron is this years flu.
But covid ain't over yet !

[suckitbaby]

Do what you wanna do and take your own precautions.

[V2539]

They're now saying that the high hospitalizaton rates are because the patient's went to hospital for something else and just happened to test positive for COVID. What do you think? Are they just trying to downplay it?

The same is being reported in England

[studsg]

I haven't read anywhere that someone is immune after getting it.

appears plenty of American sports stars have tested positive multiple times, don't know how hard its hit them.Totally agree. My friends and colleagues in both UK and Germany has got Covid multiple times now. They have tested 1st hand that people do not develop immunity after they catch Covid.

[studsg]

They're now saying that the high hospitalizaton rates are because the patient's went to hospital for something else and just happened to test positive for COVID. What do you think? Are they just trying to downplay it?That's the joke of the day. If that was the case, when we had 200-300 cases in the hospital, why didn't they come up with this excuse and say most of them are in the hospital to check for a sore on their dicks and just happen to test positive ? The amount of BS coming out from them is amazing

[warwick1]

And scmo dosen't I don't get your point??

Learn to spell and you might get my attention, otherwise go away...........

[Ziggurat]

Just in case you thought you weren't living in history I just had confirmed what I have been thinking. The omicron version of covid 19 is the most infectious disease in all of human history.

I'm not sure if that fact particularly helps your state of mind, but hey! it is still quite a notable one.

[Jamez11]

Totally agree. My friends and colleagues in both UK and Germany has got Covid multiple times now. They have tested 1st hand that people do not develop immunity after they catch Covid.

It's looking like if someone was infected by delta previously they don't have much cross over protection for omicron but early research from South Africa is showing if you get infected by omicron you may have protection against delta and omicron, which would be great news. It could take months to confirm this.

[Vader]

They're now saying that the high hospitalizaton rates are because the patient's went to hospital for something else and just happened to test positive for COVID. What do you think? Are they just trying to downplay it?

Yes I think you are correct as they could have separated the cases from day one. It's no different to what you die off as if you test positive for covid then you are listed as a covid death. They have never separated these figures either.

[GoldfishMan]

Just in case you thought you weren't living in history I just had confirmed what I have been thinking. The omicron version of covid 19 is the most infectious disease in all of human history.

I'm not sure if that fact particularly helps your state of mind, but hey! it is still quite a notable one.

I thought they’re saying it is the second most infectious, slightly behind measles.

[Jamit]

It's looking like if someone was infected by delta previously they don't have much cross over protection for omicron but early research from South Africa is showing if you get infected by omicron you may have protection against delta and omicron, which would be great news. It could take months to confirm this.

If you have had Omicron and are also vaccinated then I think it is unlikely that you will get infected with Omicron again over the next month's or so. As Omicron will become or is already the dominant strain then you do have at least several months of effective immunity before another strain comes along.

The MLs who get it will feel safer once they come back to work and I guess the punters will feel safer if they've already had it..

[studsg]

Learn to spell and you might get my attention, otherwise go away...........@4647 . Bro Warwick is a lifelong Lib supporter, already has elections cards filled out pre-selecting The Libs. Nothing's gonna change that.

Though I wonder if that is why he's had such a great relationship with "goodbloke" who is also good buddies with fellow Libs Craig Kelly & George Christensen ?

Would it not trouble you that the current Lib party are no longer run by the likes of John Howard or Malcolm Fraser but by the ilks of "Goodbloke" ?

[Ziggurat]

I thought they’re saying it is the second most infectious, slightly behind measles.

I'm not sure where you got that from. I doubt if measles has even come within 100th of 20,000 infections a day, every day.

[Rainyex28]

I'm not sure where you got that from. I doubt if measles has even come within 100th of 20,000 infections a day, every day.

Measles was apparently more infectious than Omicron lol. The only reason why we don't even spare a thought about it is because of the vaccine.

[GoldfishMan]

I'm not sure where you got that from. I doubt if measles has even come within 100th of 20,000 infections a day, every day.
The article I read was based on R values. It didn't say measles had the same level of community spread as COVID. They said measles had an R value of 18, Omicron has 15.

[Ziggurat]

An exponentially infecting disease, and the most infectious disease, you'd think would be the same thing. :question:

[studsg]

UNSW Professor basically confirms that Covid hasn't reached the point of being suitable to be endemic.

Even the Spanish flu had to mutate to a less servere, less transmissible variant like the common flu before it becomes endemic.

The "dumb idea" for widespread push to have everyone be infected by Omicron is just going to mutate into another variant.

All this push for everyone to be infected is all about putting $$ over the health outcomes of people.

Plus Delta is still out in the community.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/will-covid19-become-endemic-omicron-delta-vaccine-efficacy-coronavirus-news/94b28db1-731c-47f5-98b8-6a4b29077c9b

[warwick1]

@4647 . Bro Warwick is a lifelong Lib supporter, already has elections cards filled out pre-selecting The Libs. Nothing's gonna change that.

Though I wonder if that is why he's had such a great relationship with "goodbloke" who is also good buddies with fellow Libs Craig Kelly & George Christensen ?

Would it not trouble you that the current Lib party are no longer run by the likes of John Howard or Malcolm Fraser but by the ilks of "Goodbloke" ?

In your lame attempt at "trying" to take the piss, you did get one thing right. I am a conservative voter, and I presumed you were mates with the late and not so great moron "Goodbloke".....To be honest I would not vote for any party at the moment!.....Have a nice day

[4647]

In your lame attempt at "trying" to take the piss, you did get one thing right. I am a conservative voter, and I presumed you were mates with the late and not so great moron "Goodbloke".....To be honest I would not vote for any party at the moment!.....Have a nice day
This is a punting forum jam your politics where it belongs old fool

[smh]

Record high today approx 30% tested are positive. Just wonder, is punter still want to punt in this kind of situation?

[warwick1]

This is a punting forum jam your politics where it belongs old fool

At least there is no spelling mistakes this time, keep it up {no pun intended)..have a productive day moron...

[4647]

At least there is no spelling mistakes this time, keep it up {no pun intended)..have a productive day moron...

Get a life fool

[cuteguy]

Record high today approx 30% tested are positive. Just wonder, is punter still want to punt in this kind of situation?

The shops are still open with their girls. If the authorities believed this variant was so bad leading to death then they could have closed down these places where there is very close contact. However they haven't.

[warwick1]

Get a life fool

I have a great life , gone through some sad times which an ignorant douche like you would not understand, you will never come close to what I have....cheers

[limbi8888]

35k today in Sydney, its gona do the rounds

[Vader]

35k today in Sydney, its gona do the rounds

Yep, that's the plan

[moz]

35k today in Sydney, its gona do the roundsThat's 200k cases in NSW in the last 14 days.
The real number is probably 300-400k given asymptomatics and not bothering after a few days with the testing queues.

[Climax598]

That's 200k cases in NSW in the last 14 days.
The real number is probably 300-400k given asymptomatics and not bothering after a few days with the testing queues.
Good all get infected 😝 and become zambi

[4647]

I have a great life , gone through some sad times which an ignorant douche like you would not understand, you will never come close to what I have....cheers
So great you have to troll a punting site pathetic old fool

[warwick1]

So great you have to troll a punting site pathetic old fool

Good morning, how are you today.........

[tpol]

AHLUNGOR, hk is slowly rising in cases.

Lets see if they can stop omicron

https://www.coronatracker.com/country/hong-kong/

[AHLUNGOR]

AHLUNGOR, hk is slowly rising in cases.

Lets see if they can stop omicron

https://www.coronatracker.com/country/hong-kong/

The Hong Kong people are very self disciplined in Covid safe in general. It’s the government policies of all those exemptions which keep leaking out high risk domestic workers and air crews out to the community. Bloody Cathay Pacific should be fined very heavily for the stuff up and those crew members who broke the health orders should be criminal charged.

They will stop the Omicron alright as they won’t be hesitated to shut it all down , and if they don’t , Chinese authorities will step in.

[AHLUNGOR]

BTW, 38,625 new cases in NSW overnight, are anyone still punting out there ?

[Climax598]

BTW, 38,625 new cases in NSW overnight, are anyone still punting out there ?
Sometime the dick do the thinking not the head. But how come the girls are not coming down with the virus. The roster are still the same.

[CharlieM]

BTW, 38,625 new cases in NSW overnight, are anyone still punting out there ?
Yeh...for sure...went for my first FS punt in 12 months at N5M yesterday. Great punt, will do an AR soon.

Why? Aren't you still punting? Aren't you triple jabbed and wear a mask? What are you scared about?

[Climax598]

Guys if you want your dick some servicing do it today restrictions are coming back.

[fjfan]

Had it 3-4 weeks ago and can honestly say that I've had worser colds.

[markmark268]

Sometime the dick do the thinking not the head. But how come the girls are not coming down with the virus. The roster are still the same.

no idea but I am seeing most places are still open. I have no idea how the girls haven't got it yet.

[Vader]

Sometime the dick do the thinking not the head. But how come the girls are not coming down with the virus. The roster are still the same.

You really can't work that out?

[CharlieM]

You really can't work that out?
It must be because the girls are getting multiple jabs daily and getting paid for it

[Climax598]

You really can't work that out?
I m stupid 🤣. I still can't work it out. Tell me.

[tpol]

Apparently, swallowing semen makes u immune. Give it a go :-)

[warwick1]

Sometime the dick do the thinking not the head. But how come the girls are not coming down with the virus. The roster are still the same.

How do you know they don't have the virus, you believe what they tell you, if they told you it was raining I would go outside and check.........

[cuteguy]

Sometime the dick do the thinking not the head. But how come the girls are not coming down with the virus. The roster are still the same.

The health authorities are saying everyone will get the new variant regardless if you're vaxxed or unvaxxed. I'm sure many girls have come down with the virus but are remaining silent or working as long as possible before their symptoms become noticeable for them to isolate. They need money. They can't go to Centrelink and get a payment if they're on a temporary visa.