So this is where all our medical supplies have gone ! Thanks Greenland Group !!

[AHLUNGOR]

https://www.smh.com.au/national/chinese-backed-company-s-mission-to-source-australian-medical-supplies-20200325-p54du8.html

https://www.smh.com.au/national/chinese-backed-company-s-mission-to-source-australian-medical-supplies-20200325-p54du8.html

[123WTF]

This is insane.

[halfway]

This has got to be a big wake up call for countries around the world.

We need to protect our own and stop selling out to China.......

[123WTF]

The low stock everywhere is making sense now.

[Effindahead]

That's power of money...
As long as there is love for money, you can buy whatever..from whoever..
Sad but true ain't it?

[Climax598]

Today, I bought 5 boxs/50 piece of surgical mask made in Hunan,China with all chinese writing from a Chatswood store properly own by a chinese Australian.

[Bunty4]

Can this company be dissolved ?.... Btw how do we know that the mask we buy are not recycled and exported from....😱😱

[fjfan]

Today, I bought 5 boxs/50 piece of surgical mask made in Hunan,China with all chinese writing from a Chatswood store properly own by a chinese Australian.

Profiteering off other people's generosity and then calling it aid. Fucking disgusting.

[punterz]

Such is life...

[lonely heart]

https://www.smh.com.au/national/chinese-backed-company-s-mission-to-source-australian-medical-supplies-20200325-p54du8.html

https://www.smh.com.au/national/chinese-backed-company-s-mission-to-source-australian-medical-supplies-20200325-p54du8.html

When I first saw this yesterday I was rally angry, want to go downstairs and throw fire magic into their office (Yes we are in the same block)!!

Then I was cracking myself when I talk to someone regarding personal protection equipment supply chain. Apparently these stuff they scoped up was all originated from Asia and mainly china. So they are buy China exported cargo, paid the Australia price and re-import that into China. At that point I cracked up!! Only people that is stupid as pigs (the one infested with Swine influenza) are stupid enough to do that.

This really bring up a few question:
1) Why are we not producing personal protection equipment in Australia, with a fixed price and forcing local to but from local manufacturer.
2) Why we not have limits and licencing of exporting essential product from Australia.
......

To be honest I am more piss off about those who scope up all the baby formula and fly back to China.

[AHLUNGOR]

Today, I bought 5 boxs/50 piece of surgical mask made in Hunan,China with all chinese writing from a Chatswood store properly own by a chinese Australian.

How much did you pay ?

The only stock available in my local Asian grocery store is $3.00 each !

[AHLUNGOR]

When I first saw this yesterday I was rally angry, want to go downstairs and throw fire magic into their office (Yes we are in the same block)!!

Then I was cracking myself when I talk to someone regarding personal protection equipment supply chain. Apparently these stuff they scoped up was all originated from Asia and mainly china. So they are buy China exported cargo, paid the Australia price and re-import that into China. At that point I cracked up!! Only people that is stupid as pigs (the one infested with Swine influenza) are stupid enough to do that.

This really bring up a few question:
1) Why are we not producing personal protection equipment in Australia, with a fixed price and forcing local to but from local manufacturer.
2) Why we not have limits and licencing of exporting essential product from Australia.
......

To be honest I am more piss off about those who scope up all the baby formula and fly back to China.

Brother LH,

Same here, but we can’t deny the fact that the whole world have been enjoying the cheap manufacturing products from China for decades ! Although Vietnam and Indonesia are starting to catch up just a little bit in recent years, just cheap labour man , cheap cheap very cheap of dirt cheap man power labourers in their millions ! Compare that to the awards wages we have to pay here and all the penalty rates, benefits , collective bargaining etc. if you are the investors where would you rather set up shops and factories?

But no doubt, when this thing is over, a worldwide wake up call and power switch will happen ! Probably lead by Donald Trump if he can survive his own stupidity can come out the other side of the Pandemic- open for business in Easter ? Thank you for making the America great again !

[AHLUNGOR]

When the PM said the Australian Health Services have been stockpiling medical supplies, he probably never seen what stockpiling looks like ??


https://static.ffx.io/images/$width_2048/t_resize_width/q_62%2Cf_auto/4cfa6e2a512882c6ce75e8606ea3a4b33684745e

[Painterdan]

This was all known at the time, usual racist Herald beat up.

These supplies were mainly sourced from Livingston an Australian owned and operated medical supply company who sold them at a considerable mark up. They then marked up the costs to domestic purchases by 500% as well.

Nobody cared at the time as they thought this couldn't happen here. We're white and rich.

Half for the going rate is $100 for a pack of 50. The masks probably are from Wuhan which is the global epicenter for mask production.

[tan30]

Racist pricks.

If you read the first paragraph the company was sending the supplies back to wuhan when the outbreak was starting to take hold.

If a country is suffering why wouldnt australia try to help?

[wilisno]

When the PM said the Australian Health Services have been stockpiling medical supplies, he probably never seen what stockpiling looks like ??


https://static.ffx.io/images/$width_2048/t_resize_width/q_62%2Cf_auto/4cfa6e2a512882c6ce75e8606ea3a4b33684745e
You reckon this is a big stockpile ? Far from it !

The other day, the news on TV showed the the Australian stockpiles of medical emergency stuffs, it’s at least ten times as big !

[Climax598]

How much did you pay ?

The only stock available in my local Asian grocery store is $3.00 each !
$80 for 1 box for 50 pieces.

[Climax598]

Profiteering off other people's generosity and then calling it aid. Fucking disgusting.
I don't understand what are you saying amd so fire up.

[AHLUNGOR]

You reckon this is a big stockpile ? Far from it !

The other day, the news on TV showed the the Australian stockpiles of medical emergency stuffs, it’s at least ten times as big !

Mate, I hope you are right, I wish I have seen that too, but I didn't.

All I have been seeing on the ABC 7.30pm reports was showing GPs all over the country sending in video all saying the same thing: running out of protective gear. Doctors at ST Vincent and RPA worrying about stocks running low and front line have to rationing and all that, one Dr from RPA specifically questioning the government asking for: "where are the stockpile now ? I haven't seen any and we are fast running out !"

[God Member]

If you read the first paragraph the company was sending the supplies back to wuhan when the outbreak was starting to take hold.

If a country is suffering why wouldnt australia try to help?

So are we complaing that China was being smart while we were being dumb, as usual?

[birch]

China, smart?

really?
compared to which countries...
and on what measures which matter most to average people; things like personal wealth, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, freedom of association, freedom of the press, I could go on.

[holi_day]

When the coronavirus outbreak in China late last year and early this year, they were in critical shortage of medical supplies. Many oversea Chinese stepped up and organized purchase of medical supplies from other countries and shipped to their country.

At that time, like many other countries, Australia wasn't so much in need of these supplies like today. These Chinese they paid market prices, they paid for the shipping, and send to their people in China for free. All these supported by donations from individual and Chinese corporates oversea.

Now the situation in China is very much under control they started exporting supplies to other countries. In fact, the Chinese government is giving out large amount of supplies to others regions for free. Of cause you may see some shops and individual trading masks for profit. But these are individual business activities driven by demand and supply.

I am conscious when these pictures were taken. As far as I am aware, China do not need to pirate medical supplies now especially masks and protective equipment.

Some media would play the timing and portrait Chinese with bad images.

[God Member]

China, smart?

really?
compared to which countries...
and on what measures which matter most to average people; things like personal wealth, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, freedom of association, freedom of the press, I could go on.

Hang on Birch, I'm referring to their actions in this specific regard. Their looking ahead and buying up our medical supplies while we are occupying our minds watching Bold and the Beautiful. Same thing with China (that is, the CC-fucking P) buying up all our prime agricultural land.

[wilisno]

When the coronavirus outbreak in China late last year and early this year, they were in critical shortage of medical supplies. Many oversea Chinese stepped up and organized purchase of medical supplies from other countries and shipped to their country.

At that time, like many other countries, Australia wasn't so much in need of these supplies like today. These Chinese they paid market prices, they paid for the shipping, and send to their people in China for free. All these supported by donations from individual and Chinese corporates oversea.

Now the situation in China is very much under control they started exporting supplies to other countries. In fact, the Chinese government is giving out large amount of supplies to others regions for free. Of cause you may see some shops and individual trading masks for profit. But these are individual business activities driven by demand and supply.

I am conscious when these pictures were taken. As far as I am aware, China do not need to pirate medical supplies now especially masks and protective equipment.

Some media would play the timing and portrait Chinese with bad images.

Especially from HongKong nationals ! ;) ;) ;)

[Climax598]

When the coronavirus outbreak in China late last year and early this year, they were in critical shortage of medical supplies. Many oversea Chinese stepped up and organized purchase of medical supplies from other countries and shipped to their country.

At that time, like many other countries, Australia wasn't so much in need of these supplies like today. These Chinese they paid market prices, they paid for the shipping, and send to their people in China for free. All these supported by donations from individual and Chinese corporates oversea.

Now the situation in China is very much under control they started exporting supplies to other countries. In fact, the Chinese government is giving out large amount of supplies to others regions for free. Of cause you may see some shops and individual trading masks for profit. But these are individual business activities driven by demand and supply.

I am conscious when these pictures were taken. As far as I am aware, China do not need to pirate medical supplies now especially masks and protective equipment.

Some media would play the timing and portrait Chinese with bad images.
Good summary. I bought my mask yesterday made in China from a shop in Chatswood. Even GP are having difficulty getting mask as promised by our government that we have stockpile. Alot of propaganda and fack/lies news going on from both side.

[Climax598]

China, smart?

really?
compared to which countries...
and on what measures which matter most to average people; things like personal wealth, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, freedom of association, freedom of the press, I could go on.
Freedom to fuck their chinese girls!

[AHLUNGOR]

When the coronavirus outbreak in China late last year and early this year, they were in critical shortage of medical supplies. Many oversea Chinese stepped up and organized purchase of medical supplies from other countries and shipped to their country.

At that time, like many other countries, Australia wasn't so much in need of these supplies like today. These Chinese they paid market prices, they paid for the shipping, and send to their people in China for free. All these supported by donations from individual and Chinese corporates oversea.

Now the situation in China is very much under control they started exporting supplies to other countries. In fact, the Chinese government is giving out large amount of supplies to others regions for free. Of cause you may see some shops and individual trading masks for profit. But these are individual business activities driven by demand and supply.

I am conscious when these pictures were taken. As far as I am aware, China do not need to pirate medical supplies now especially masks and protective equipment.

Some media would play the timing and portrait Chinese with bad images.

Very fair comments Bro !

[AHLUNGOR]

Especially from HongKong nationals ! ;) ;) ;)



Well, everyone for himself first and foremost. I was unhappy with that situation because me and my family can't buy the protective stuff we need to keep ourselves safe. and when they are available, we have to pay a much higher price like $2 - $3 for a masks. a better quality mask made in Korean cost $5 !

And I have been yelling out to the government to shut the damn border long before this has become a pandemic in NSW. and how the NSW Health and Sydney Port authority Not learn the bloody lessons from the Diamond Princess and let in the big big mess from the Ruby Princess is beyond me!! these dick heads and a few bitches simply unfit to be in those public positions where so many people's lifes and well being are depending on them.

[Climax598]

Well, everyone for himself first and foremost. I was unhappy with that situation because me and my family can't buy the protective stuff we need to keep ourselves safe. and when they are available, we have to pay a much higher price like $2 - $3 for a masks. a better quality mask made in Korean cost $5 !

And I have been yelling out to the government to shut the damn border long before this has become a pandemic in NSW. and How the NSW Health and Sydney Port authority Not learn the bloody learn from the Diamond Princess and let in the big big mess from the Ruby is beyond me!! these dick heads and a few bitches simply unfit to be in those public positions where so many people's lifes and well being are depending on them.
Well! You can vote them out the next election. And hopefully can also sack some of the public servants. I don't listen to the government anymore all the advice are useless. Just do the things you need to protect you family like health and foods. I began to stockpile food/toilet paper in January. I don't trust this Scomo every words he say is all marketing spin and lies. For a long time we have being run and manage by bad leaders in public and private sectors.

[tigercat]

regardless it is right or wrong, given the current sentiment, their action will no doubt have backlash to the local asia community, they assumed all asian are chinese. i also read another article in SMH about china is gearing up to buy up all the heavily discounted business, hostile take over. true or not, someone is stirring shit up.

[Idurian]

I blame the media companies with nothing else to do but stir the pot to create some headlines.

[Puttss]

Bought mine off ebay. Takes about 2 weeks to get delivered. Price wise its around 60-70 for a pack of 50.

[lockhart]

Racist pricks.

If you read the first paragraph the company was sending the supplies back to wuhan when the outbreak was starting to take hold.

If a country is suffering why wouldnt australia try to help?

That A pig is really a pig. On purpose to mis-lead. He is a pig for sure

[woods23]

When the coronavirus outbreak in China late last year and early this year, they were in critical shortage of medical supplies. Many oversea Chinese stepped up and organized purchase of medical supplies from other countries and shipped to their country.

At that time, like many other countries, Australia wasn't so much in need of these supplies like today. These Chinese they paid market prices, they paid for the shipping, and send to their people in China for free. All these supported by donations from individual and Chinese corporates oversea.

Now the situation in China is very much under control they started exporting supplies to other countries. In fact, the Chinese government is giving out large amount of supplies to others regions for free. Of cause you may see some shops and individual trading masks for profit. But these are individual business activities driven by demand and supply.

I am conscious when these pictures were taken. As far as I am aware, China do not need to pirate medical supplies now especially masks and protective equipment.

Some media would play the timing and portrait Chinese with bad images.

Well said mr holiday

[spiderzzz]

So apparently giving them away is bad and out of "sinister motive".. you just can't win, can you

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-why-chinas-government-is-offering-covid19-aid-relief-to-other-countries/news-story/5c36ea59b6ff46290cd8304830ce2bca

[storry_teller]

So are we complaing that China was being smart while we were being dumb, as usual?
I agreed. Did Greendland forced them to sell? It’s just money talk. Then now when medical stuffs are at low stock then they blamed China on hoarding but not mention that huge profits blinded them, and also Australia border didn’t do anything to stop any export of medical stuffs. Australia didn’t foresee Covid could become serious problem but neglected to take quick action.

When the coronavirus outbreak in China late last year and early this year, they were in critical shortage of medical supplies. Many oversea Chinese stepped up and organized purchase of medical supplies from other countries and shipped to their country.

At that time, like many other countries, Australia wasn't so much in need of these supplies like today. These Chinese they paid market prices, they paid for the shipping, and send to their people in China for free. All these supported by donations from individual and Chinese corporates oversea.

Now the situation in China is very much under control they started exporting supplies to other countries. In fact, the Chinese government is giving out large amount of supplies to others regions for free. Of cause you may see some shops and individual trading masks for profit. But these are individual business activities driven by demand and supply.

I am conscious when these pictures were taken. As far as I am aware, China do not need to pirate medical supplies now especially masks and protective equipment.

Some media would play the timing and portrait Chinese with bad images.


That's power of money...
As long as there is love for money, you can buy whatever..from whoever..
Sad but true ain't it?
Very well said.
Look at China. They all stand up together during pandemic times. Hope here we can do same thing. Not arguing times.

[studsg]

When the coronavirus outbreak in China late last year and early this year, they were in critical shortage of medical supplies. Many oversea Chinese stepped up and organized purchase of medical supplies from other countries and shipped to their country.

At that time, like many other countries, Australia wasn't so much in need of these supplies like today. These Chinese they paid market prices, they paid for the shipping, and send to their people in China for free. All these supported by donations from individual and Chinese corporates oversea.

Now the situation in China is very much under control they started exporting supplies to other countries. In fact, the Chinese government is giving out large amount of supplies to others regions for free. Of cause you may see some shops and individual trading masks for profit. But these are individual business activities driven by demand and supply.

I am conscious when these pictures were taken. As far as I am aware, China do not need to pirate medical supplies now especially masks and protective equipment.

Some media would play the timing and portrait Chinese with bad images.Absolutely spot on. Well explained. Good on you mate [emoji106]

[punterz]

So apparently giving them away is bad and out of "sinister motive".. you just can't win, can you

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-why-chinas-government-is-offering-covid19-aid-relief-to-other-countries/news-story/5c36ea59b6ff46290cd8304830ce2bca

This. Damned if you do, damned if you dont

[lonely heart]

Now the situation in China is very much under control they started exporting supplies to other countries. In fact, the Chinese government is giving out large amount of supplies to others regions for free.

Believing the situation is under control is the first mistake. Even local don't believe it.


I am conscious when these pictures were taken. As far as I am aware, China do not need to pirate medical supplies now especially masks and protective equipment.

Some media would play the timing and portrait Chinese with bad images.

And chinese media don't do that? Please!!!


Freedom to fuck their chinese girls!

Amen to that.....


regardless it is right or wrong, given the current sentiment, their action will no doubt have backlash to the local asia community, they assumed all asian are chinese. i also read another article in SMH about china is gearing up to buy up all the heavily discounted business, hostile take over. true or not, someone is stirring shit up.

If they don't stir shit up and economy invading other countries to start, there would be no shit to stir up right?


So apparently giving them away is bad and out of "sinister motive".. you just can't win, can you

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-why-chinas-government-is-offering-covid19-aid-relief-to-other-countries/news-story/5c36ea59b6ff46290cd8304830ce2bca

No such thing as free and compassion when it come to the CCP.

[Climax598]

Believing the situation is under control is the first mistake. Even local don't believe it.



And chinese media don't do that? Please!!!



Amen to that.....



If they don't stir shit up and economy invading other countries to start, there would be no shit to stir up right?



No such thing as free and compassion when it come to the CCP.
Welcome! This is the Voice of America.

[Painterdan]

Welcome! This is the Voice of America.

Peter Hartcher is a punter.

[God Member]

I don't understand the logic behind the CCP's secrecy at the beginning of all this. If you deny, cover it up and lie about it that somehow makes it all go away? That is like covering your face so that you don't see the car that is about to run you down. It is infantile, literally infantile, it is the logic of an infant.

Communist governments have this in common. Eg, the Russian lies and cover up about Chernobyl in the beginning was somehow going to make it all go away. Meanwhile the radioactive poison was spreading to western Europe.

The facts don't care what we think.

Governments all over the world change all the time. It is not a big deal. It leads to fresh ideas. They vote you out - hey, then they might vote you back in again later. If the Chinese people like the CCP so much they could vote them back in again. Like, probably sometime in the next millenium or so.

[studsg]

I don't understand the logic behind the CCP's secrecy at the beginning of all this. If you deny, cover it up and lie about it that somehow makes it all go away? That is like covering your face so that you don't see the car that is about to run you down. It is infantile, literally infantile, it is the logic of an infant.

Communist governments have this in common. Eg, the Russian lies and cover up about Chernobyl in the beginning was somehow going to make it all go away. Meanwhile the radioactive poison was spreading to western Europe.

The facts don't care what we think.

Governments all over the world change all the time. It is not a big deal. It leads to fresh ideas. They vote you out - hey, then they might vote you back in again later. If the Chinese people like the CCP so much they could vote them back in again. Like, probably sometime in the next millenium or so.Don't think this is particular to just communist govt. But lots of countries have been in denial and cover up. Look at Turkey, Indonesia and now the USA. Number went from nothing all of a sudden thousands.

Or during the sub-prime GFC. All the banks were bailed out by govt & taxpayers. Bankers who caused it cashed out on their yatchs, Not one single banker was charged or went to jail. But thousands of ppl lost everything.

Not trying to defend them. But having worked in large corporates, they all behave similarly to the Titanic. The person at the front of the ship yells iceberg. Man in the middle wants to double check, triple check, than next level up wants to do another set of double checks and this goes on and on... Until it finally reaches the captain who ask "can we verify that there really is an iceberg and do some extra checks 1st ???" [emoji6]

[halfway]

Don't think this is particular to just communist govt. But lots of countries have been in denial and cover up. Look at Turkey, Indonesia and now the USA. Number went from nothing all of a sudden thousands.


[emoji6]


These countries did not cover up the numbers.

THEY WERE NOT TESTING ANYONE.....

This is the big fuck up from all countries, No one tested anyone coming from China.....

It's absolutely mind blowing and then there is the pathetic "WHO" or as it should be know Chinese Health Org.......

[AHLUNGOR]

These countries did not cover up the numbers.

THEY WERE NOT TESTING ANYONE.....

This is the big fuck up from all countries, No one tested anyone coming from China.....

It's absolutely mind blowing and then there is the pathetic "WHO" or as it should be know Chinese Health Org.......

One country that isn’t “officially a friend” with the CCP is Taiwan and I believe they shut their border from All visitors from main land China right from the start ! The reward for their government’s decisive action: still only 322 cases today . Damn , how much would we be willing to pay to get that figures just for NSW here today ?

[Climax598]

One country that isn’t “officially a friend” with the CCP is Taiwan and I believe they shut their border from All visitors from main land China right from the start ! The reward for their government’s decisive action: still only 322 cases today . Damn , how much would we be willing to pay to get that figures just for NSW here today ?
Mr.Xi shut the mainland Chinese from visiting Taiwan before September 2019 before the Taiwan election. So Taiwan should thank him not because taiwan ban them.

[AHLUNGOR]

Mr.Xi shut the mainland Chinese from visiting Taiwan before September 2019 before the Taiwan election. So Taiwan should thank him not because taiwan ban them.

Is that right? I didn’t know that, thanks mate .

Cheers

[Climax598]

Is that right? I didn’t know that, thanks mate .

Cheers
AL, just go back and update more RnT that is more important since we can't do our regular things!!!!!

[mkkid]

in all fairness, this happened before Covid19 hit Australia. They brought supplies to send to china for the relief effort. This is normal activity no?
Google, Microsoft.. many other companies and countries also sent aid to china around that time too, I fail to see how their actions are any different.

[cuteguy]

It has been revealed that China stockpiled 2 billion face masks and 25 million medical items (sourced from news com.au). For example, it showed Australian surgical masks at Perth airport being sent to China in February 8. When the virus originated in Wuhun, the Chinese government went on a global campaign to recruit Chinese owned companies in foreign countries to raid stocks of the necessary items including masks, gloves, hand santisers, hazmat suits and ventilators.

[mkkid]

I can see why this is a problem - but emotions aside, if they paid for the face masks, i.e., a legal transaction, then they've committed no crime.

[Climax598]

It has been revealed that China stockpiled 2 billion face masks and 25 million medical items (sourced from news com.au). For example, it showed Australian surgical masks at Perth airport being sent to China in February 8. When the virus originated in Wuhun, the Chinese government went on a global campaign to recruit Chinese owned companies in foreign countries to raid stocks of the necessary items including masks, gloves, hand santisers, hazmat suits and ventilators.
2 billion mask is not alot with 1.5 billion chinese in China only last 1 to 2 days. Today some billionaires have 3 planes load of medical supplies from China
So is both way I guess.

[mkkid]

Abe willing to give 2 masks per household

[cuteguy]

Abe willing to give 2 masks per household

Two is not enough since masks can't last indefinitely.

[BuryYourDead]

Tbh.... I think mainland Chinese should be kept in China.

[Climax598]

Tbh.... I think mainland Chinese should be kept in China.
I know you fuck a few of them. What's the problem?

[BuryYourDead]

I know you fuck a few of them. What's the problem?

Alright, 99% then.

[PervySage]

I can see why this is a problem - but emotions aside, if they paid for the face masks, i.e., a legal transaction, then they've committed no crime.

the problem was the companies in question did not have export licenses, they had a systematic way of stripping local shops, and then somehow (corruption ??) getting these out of the country through customs & ports.

So yes while the purchase were legal the shipping out of Australia was in some maybe not all cases “illegal” so yes crimes have been committed.

And I think in the case of one company CEO a jail term of 5 years is being proposed.

People need to understand in “peace time setting” companies with a foreign allegiance chose to act in a way that significantly impacted the health system of Australia and other countries.

Capitalist systems don’t go about stock piling huge quantities as the supply systems and chains are meant to handle surges... however such systems are not designed to operate in against a sustained / systematic way of disrupting essential supplies and certainly not from businesses given license to operate here in “peace time”

[mkkid]

If it is aid, it doesn't need an export license, because it is not a business.
If you send your mother in Columbia some biscuits, you don't need an export license to send her those biscuits.

The only difference here is that:
1. Its done en masse
2. It was a Chinese people sending it


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/business/economy/coronavirus-china-supplies.html

[studsg]

If it is aid, it doesn't need an export license, because it is not a business.
If you send your mother in Columbia some biscuits, you don't need an export license to send her those biscuits.

The only difference here is that:
1. Its done en masse
2. It was a Chinese people sending it


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/business/economy/coronavirus-china-supplies.htmlAbsolutely. This was back in Jan, Feb when China was at their peak of the virus and medical practitioners didn't have any PPE left to use.

The rest of the world was still going to footy games and going "she'll be right mate"

Now it's the opposite, China factories are reopen and ramping up production of these PPE. Why do you think our govt are shipping food to China and containers will come back with PPE.

[wilisno]

If other countries saw China’s lockdown of the whole city of Wuhan, a city with a population bigger than most smaller countries, and still didn’t get the hint of the seriousness of the virus, then they need babysitters to look after themselves instead of of complaining that China didn’t send them official warnings !

Even after WHO declared it a pandemic, those countries still didn’t respond appropriately until it’s too late.....

[quackm2002]

As I just wrote in the thread on coronavirus, I went out and bought a dozen N95s at a local chemist in late January. I could have bought hundreds or even thousands if I wanted them. Lots of supply as a result of bushfires. No one wanted them.

I can’t understand the bullshit anger some of you clowns are expressing about people buying and sending them back to China at that time. No one here wanted them - it wasn’t like they were taking them off needy Australians at that time.

[Meng]

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-countries-compete-for-masks-medical-supplies-amid-global-pandemic/news-story/8b8c3e2fc682a8b2af31e1ee9ab40c35

I would like people to look at the above story.

Here’s an excerpt:

“ The global race for medical supplies has hit Europe, Asia and the US with officials swooping on stockpiles of protective equipment in a number of countries.

A French health official said US authorities took control of a planeload of masks that France was due to export from a Chinese airport.

“On the tarmac, the Americans arrive, take out cash and pay three or four times more for our orders, so we really have to fight,” Dr. Jean Rottner, an emergency room doctor in Mulhouse, told RTL radio.”

How dare Americans buy and strip other countries of medical supplies!!! Outrage!

[PervySage]

If it is aid, it doesn't need an export license, because it is not a business.
If you send your mother in Columbia some biscuits, you don't need an export license to send her those biscuits.

The only difference here is that:
1. Its done en masse
2. It was a Chinese people sending it


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/business/economy/coronavirus-china-supplies.html

This wasn’t aid this was businesses buying here and selling in China at increased profit. I didn’t even mention the profiteering part since that impacts Chinese consumers not Australia.

Do you think Australian companies can go into Pacific and strip them of supplies and send back to Australia.

Anyway I think someone said there was no crime, actually there is some very significant crime and when COVID-19 settles if not earlier some businesses will have major questions to answer and some people will be prosecuted for sure if they are still in the country.

BTW all organisations that trade have to be registered whether they are a charity, not for profit or for profit organisations and they must all follow Australian laws.

LOL @ your biscuit example.

Are you equating 100 tons of medical supplies systematically bought from shops and exported for profit to a packet of biscuits?... If you try shipping 100 tons of biscuit you will need a license too. Lol

[wilisno]

This wasn’t aid this was businesses buying here and selling in China at increased profit. I didn’t even mention the profiteering part since that impacts Chinese consumers not Australia.

Do you think Australian companies can go into Pacific and strip them of supplies and send back to Australia.

Anyway I think someone said there was no crime, actually there is some very significant crime and when COVID-19 settles if not earlier some businesses will have major questions to answer and some people will be prosecuted for sure if they are still in the country.

BTW all organisations that trade have to be registered whether they are a charity, not for profit or for profit organisations and they must all follow Australian laws.

LOL @ your biscuit example.

Are you equating 100 tons of medical supplies systematically bought from shops and exported for profit to a packet of biscuits?... If you try shipping 100 tons of biscuit you will need a license too. Lol
To think that Australian wouldn’t buy stuffs overseas and sell them in Australia for a profit is laughable !

The reason that it’s not happening now is because Australia is too slow to react, protective gears around the world had run out, and governments have imposed restrictions on exporting. Otherwise people would be doing the same thing as the Chinese nationals did here !

People will do anything for a profit, whether legally or illegally, Australian wouldn’t do that ? Where do you think those cheap cigarettes come from ? That’s purchased in other countries to resell in Australia for an inflated price ! Why some items in the bargain shops or $2 shops are cheaper than the big supermarkets, some items were even made in Australia, but you can buy them cheaper overseas ? Sure, that’s the illegal side. But for legitimate imports and exports, you know what the profit margin is like for imported goods ? Why do you think businesses can offer 50%+ off during promotions ? Because they cost about 10% to buy, but that’s legal, because importers have to cover expenses like distributions, retailing, bank interest etc etc.

Now it has become law that they can’t send medical stuffs overseas, fair enough, if anyone caught doing that, that’s illegal, but at that time, there’s no law covering this.

[quackm2002]

Exactly what Wil said - spot on

[mkkid]

Everyone in Australia knew what was going on in China in late Dec to early Jan. This was quite clear. The severity of the situation was evident; and the lockdowns were already imposed.
We did nothing. We did nothing because we thought it was a Chinese problem, not an Australian problem. We didn't think the virus would hit the "western" world.


We were quick to ban the Chinese, but extremely slow in banning the Americans and the Italians. Most of the infections in Sydney now is not due to the Chinese or Koreans, but Europeans and Australians returning from the US.

First there's racism and ignorance. eg. this stupid "whites cannot be infected" mentality is there.... Look at the suburbs that are worst hit in Sydney.

Then there's panic eg. buying all the toilet paper ...

Next there's the blame game eg. blame China for it


Very pathetic.

[Climax598]

Everyone in Australia knew what was going on in China in late Dec to early Jan. This was quite clear. The severity of the situation was evident; and the lockdowns were already imposed.
We did nothing. We did nothing because we thought it was a Chinese problem, not an Australian problem. We didn't think the virus would hit the "western" world.


We were quick to ban the Chinese, but extremely slow in banning the Americans and the Italians. Most of the infections in Sydney now is not due to the Chinese or Koreans, but Europeans and Australians returning from the US.

First there's racism and ignorance. eg. this stupid "whites cannot be infected" mentality is there.... Look at the suburbs that are worst hit in Sydney.

Then there's panic eg. buying all the toilet paper ...

Next there's the blame game eg. blame China for it


Very pathetic.
Wow!!! You nail it.

[God Member]

That is pretty much true mikkid, and something the people who think like that should be ashamed of.

But all these later arguments about details are peripheral. If the CCP had clamped down on the virus as soon as the doctors warned them of it instead of publically shaming the doctors for their warnings, and making them say they were "spreading false rumours" then the world wouldn't be in this state at all.

As far as blame game goes, this is the only argument in town.

It is like the remote Gosper's mountain fire started by lightning. If they'd sent in a water bomber while was it was still small, instead of ignoring it it wouldn't have catastrophically burnt out most of Wollemi NP and then spread to the Blue Mts.

[mkkid]

That's true God Member. The CCP behaved as you would expect the CCP to behave - so no surprises there.

However, when it first started in Wuhan, this virus was unclassified. Therefore you could imagine the initial chaos and skeptics. It takes time to identify the virus.
After some initial missteps, I think China did a good job at containing the virus.

The fact that the virus went on a rampage in Europe and the US has nothing to do with those initial Chinese missteps, because when the first infections were detected in the US, we all knew what was causing it.

[wilisno]

That is pretty much true mikkid, and something the people who think like that should be ashamed of.

But all these later arguments about details are peripheral. If the CCP had clamped down on the virus as soon as the doctors warned them of it instead of publically shaming the doctors for their warnings, and making them say they were "spreading false rumours" then the world wouldn't be in this state at all.

As far as blame game goes, this is the only argument in town.

It is like the remote Gosper's mountain fire started by lightning. If they'd sent in a water bomber while was it was still small, instead of ignoring it, it wouldn't have catastrophically burnt out most of Wollemi NP and then spread to the Blue Mts.

At that time, no one except those experts knew about the severity of the virus, so the authorities were slow to react, but after it became a common knowledge, other countries were still slow to react, that’s what’s not acceptable !

It’s a virus, a universal problem, viruses don’t discriminate, it should be dealt with universally. Blaming others won’t kill the virus !

As Michael Douglas said in The American President: When there’s a problem, Rumson is least interested in solving it, he’ll be looking for someone to blame !

[Azninvasion85]

When I first saw this yesterday I was rally angry, want to go downstairs and throw fire magic into their office (Yes we are in the same block)!!

Then I was cracking myself when I talk to someone regarding personal protection equipment supply chain. Apparently these stuff they scoped up was all originated from Asia and mainly china. So they are buy China exported cargo, paid the Australia price and re-import that into China. At that point I cracked up!! Only people that is stupid as pigs (the one infested with Swine influenza) are stupid enough to do that.

This really bring up a few question:
1) Why are we not producing personal protection equipment in Australia, with a fixed price and forcing local to but from local manufacturer.
2) Why we not have limits and licencing of exporting essential product from Australia.
......

To be honest I am more piss off about those who scope up all the baby formula and fly back to China.

Because of how much it will cost to have it made here. They will need to make a new manufacturing plant, source local materials at a premium, pay high wages, pay union, super, etc. They can't keep the price down. Like if u buy a box of 50 for like less then 10$ compared to $20 bucks or more. They would run out of business so fast. This is the power of mass production and business

[woods23]

Everyone in Australia knew what was going on in China in late Dec to early Jan. This was quite clear. The severity of the situation was evident; and the lockdowns were already imposed.
We did nothing. We did nothing because we thought it was a Chinese problem, not an Australian problem. We didn't think the virus would hit the "western" world.


We were quick to ban the Chinese, but extremely slow in banning the Americans and the Italians. Most of the infections in Sydney now is not due to the Chinese or Koreans, but Europeans and Australians returning from the US.

First there's racism and ignorance. eg. this stupid "whites cannot be infected" mentality is there.... Look at the suburbs that are worst hit in Sydney.

Then there's panic eg. buying all the toilet paper ...

Next there's the blame game eg. blame China for it


Very pathetic.

Can not agreed more. Thx for speaking out behalf of me.

[Climax598]

Have you guys ever heard of fack news from both sides.

[AHLUNGOR]

60 Minutes just showing the special Coronavirus crisis regarding the Greenland shipping out thing with the whistle blower

[Meng]

60 Minutes just showing the special Coronavirus crisis regarding the Greenland shipping out thing with the whistle blower

This was before the government called on a export ban on crucial medical supplies.

Whilst what they’re doing leaves a bad taste it wasn’t illegal at the time.

Now with the ban it is. If anything I blame the government for not taking this virus more seriously early on and introduced the ban earlier.

Also taking 60 minutes seriously is really dredging from the bottom of the barrel. Their whole schtick is to alarm people from their ominous music (which is getting worse by the way) to the hosts.

[AHLUNGOR]

This was before the government called on a export ban on crucial medical supplies.

Whilst what they’re doing leaves a bad taste it wasn’t illegal at the time.

Now with the ban it is. If anything I blame the government for not taking this virus more seriously early on and introduced the ban earlier.

Also taking 60 minutes seriously is really dredging from the bottom of the barrel. Their whole schtick is to alarm people from their ominous music (which is getting worse by the way) to the hosts.

If Morrison or Trump would have done the same thing and started collecting medical supplies earlier - they would now be national heroes wouldn’t they ?

I might have mentioned this a few times already that the CEO of Macau Mr Ho had announced right from the start of the outbreak that Macau had purchased ALL the face masks from Portugal! They have enough stocks not only for their front line medical personnel, the government were handing out the masks to its people free ! 10 each per person per week. Now that’s a well prepared government! And the result = only 44 cases to date .

[wilisno]

If Morrison or Trump would have done the same thing and started collecting medical supplies earlier - they would now be national heroes wouldn’t they ?

I might have mentioned this a few times already that the CEO of Macau Mr Ho had announced right from the start of the outbreak that Macau had purchased ALL the face masks from Portugal! They have enough stocks not only for their front line medical personnel, the government were handing out the masks to its people free ! 10 each per person per week. Now that’s a well prepared government! And the result = only 44 cases to date .

So what’s the whinging about ?

[Meng]

If Morrison or Trump would have done the same thing and started collecting medical supplies earlier - they would now be national heroes wouldn’t they ?

I might have mentioned this a few times already that the CEO of Macau Mr Ho had announced right from the start of the outbreak that Macau had purchased ALL the face masks from Portugal! They have enough stocks not only for their front line medical personnel, the government were handing out the masks to its people free ! 10 each per person per week. Now that’s a well prepared government! And the result = only 44 cases to date .

Well there’s news out there of American companies seizing masks delivered to France from China now. So what’s your opinion of that? It seems there’s a bias when it comes to news reporting.

As wilisno said. What’s your point of creating this thread? You seem to, in your initial post be all against this act but then praise Macau for doing the same thing to Portugal.

So are you against it or just anti-Chinese? It’s a real shame because from my understanding you’re Asian too right AL? What you need to realise is that all this sinophobic negativity (ironically in particular from people who are also Asian might I add) also adversely effects other Asian communities because let’s face it, it’s hard to tell a Korean from a Chinese from a Hong Kong citizen or a Taiwanese....

If you’re from Hong Kong or taiwan and you start coughing, people will equally at minimum move far away from you and at maximum abuse you.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/04/03/ppe-world-supplies-coronavirus-163955

“ In one case, according to a report in The Guardian, American buyers managed to “wrest control” of a shipment of masks from China that was supposed to go to France by offering three times the selling price. In another report, a German official accused the U.S. of an “act of modern piracy” after a shipment of masks from China that was meant for Berlin were seized and diverted to the U.S. while en route in Thailand. Similar reports emerged from Brazil, where a top official said China had set aside his country’s orders for equipment after the U.S. sent some 20 planes to pick up materials.”

[El_nino]

That is unbelievable!!

[wilisno]

先知先覺 後知後覺 不知不覺

Meaning : there are 3 kinds of people...

1. One who knows something will happen and acts on it.

2. One who sees everybody else is doing it and acts on it.

3. One who sees the sky is falling down and still thinks it’s the rain cloud.

[quackm2002]

Can I quote this on the Coronavirus thread, Wil?

[AHLUNGOR]

Well there’s news out there of American companies seizing masks delivered to France from China now. So what’s your opinion of that? It seems there’s a bias when it comes to news reporting.

As wilisno said. What’s your point of creating this thread? You seem to, in your initial post be all against this act but then praise Macau for doing the same thing to Portugal.

So are you against it or just anti-Chinese? It’s a real shame because from my understanding you’re Asian too right AL? What you need to realise is that all this sinophobic negativity (ironically in particular from people who are also Asian might I add) also adversely effects other Asian communities because let’s face it, it’s hard to tell a Korean from a Chinese from a Hong Kong citizen or a Taiwanese....

If you’re from Hong Kong or taiwan and you start coughing, people will equally at minimum move far away from you and at maximum abuse you.



Brother Meng,

I get your point, yes, I am Chinese from Hong Kong but I have now lived in Australia for more than 30 years, all my children were born here, and I have enjoyed the Aussie live style and found myself very lucky and of course, I paid my fair share of tax. So, Australia is my home first and foremost, but then, I still watch TV shows from Hong Kong, China and Korea and most of my RnT and FS session have been with Asians, so you can't totally say that I have turned "white", my children though, they are the true blue "bananas" !

The reason why I started this post ? very simple, it's very personal ! because I can't get masks and santizers in the local shops to protect my own family and when I saw that news, thank you very much "GreenLand" ! that's all, it's not a political statement or which side I'm on ? But if I must choose, I'm an Aussie citizen, therefore of course I am on the Sydney side. The rest, well, just commenting on what's the latest development and too much times in hand as the business has temporary shut down and just sitting in the office not doing much else ..............haha :cool2::smile:

Am I confusing you mate, me too some times. :question:

[wilisno]

Brother Meng,

I get your point, yes, I am Chinese from Hong Kong but I have now lived in Australia for more than 30 years, all my children were born here, and I have enjoyed the Aussie live style and found myself very lucky and of course, I paid my fair share of tax. So, Australia is my home first and foremost, but then, I still watch TV shows from Hong Kong, China and Korea and most of my RnT and FS session have been with Asians, so you can't totally say that I have turned "white", my children though, they are the true blue "bananas" !

The reason why I started this post ? very simple, it's very personal ! because I can't get masks and santizers in the local shops to protect my own family and when I saw that news, thank you very much "GreenLand" ! that's all, it's not a political statement or which side I'm on ? But if I must choose, I'm an Aussie citizen, therefore of course I am on the Sydney side. The rest, well, just commenting on what's the latest development and too much times in hand as the business has temporary shut down and just sitting in the office not doing much else ..............haha :cool2::smile:

Am I confusing you mate, me too some times. :question:
Maybe you should think a little before you post !

Complaining about no Australian patriotic tycoons doing it overseas ? It’s legal everywhere, including Australia at that time. Instead, you just fell for the news selling techniques of the media !

[wilisno]

Can I quote this on the Coronavirus thread, Wil?

Be my guest ! ;) ;) ;)

[Meng]

Brother Meng,

I get your point, yes, I am Chinese from Hong Kong but I have now lived in Australia for more than 30 years, all my children were born here, and I have enjoyed the Aussie live style and found myself very lucky and of course, I paid my fair share of tax. So, Australia is my home first and foremost, but then, I still watch TV shows from Hong Kong, China and Korea and most of my RnT and FS session have been with Asians, so you can't totally say that I have turned "white", my children though, they are the true blue "bananas" !

The reason why I started this post ? very simple, it's very personal ! because I can't get masks and santizers in the local shops to protect my own family and when I saw that news, thank you very much "GreenLand" ! that's all, it's not a political statement or which side I'm on ? But if I must choose, I'm an Aussie citizen, therefore of course I am on the Sydney side. The rest, well, just commenting on what's the latest development and too much times in hand as the business has temporary shut down and just sitting in the office not doing much else ..............haha :cool2::smile:

Am I confusing you mate, me too some times. :question:

Then if someone on the streets spit on you and say that you have Coronavirus and to go back to where you come from will you bow your head and thank them kindly for their spit and prostrate yourself on the ground?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/10daily.com.au/amp/news/a200330gzfhi/asian-women-abused-spat-on-in-marrickville-sydney-20200331

Aussie citizen or not. You’ll always look Asian.

[Climax598]

Then if someone on the streets spit on you and say that you have Coronavirus and to go back to where you come from will you bow your head and thank them kindly for their spit and prostrate yourself on the ground?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/10daily.com.au/amp/news/a200330gzfhi/asian-women-abused-spat-on-in-marrickville-sydney-20200331

Aussie citizen or not. You’ll always look Asian.
Think he is not anti chinese more like Anti-commi.
You understand he is a honkey if that help.

[studsg]

Well there’s news out there of American companies seizing masks delivered to France from China now. So what’s your opinion of that? It seems there’s a bias when it comes to news reporting.

As wilisno said. What’s your point of creating this thread? You seem to, in your initial post be all against this act but then praise Macau for doing the same thing to Portugal.

So are you against it or just anti-Chinese? It’s a real shame because from my understanding you’re Asian too right AL? What you need to realise is that all this sinophobic negativity (ironically in particular from people who are also Asian might I add) also adversely effects other Asian communities because let’s face it, it’s hard to tell a Korean from a Chinese from a Hong Kong citizen or a Taiwanese....

If you’re from Hong Kong or taiwan and you start coughing, people will equally at minimum move far away from you and at maximum abuse you.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/04/03/ppe-world-supplies-coronavirus-163955

“ In one case, according to a report in The Guardian, American buyers managed to “wrest control” of a shipment of masks from China that was supposed to go to France by offering three times the selling price. In another report, a German official accused the U.S. of an “act of modern piracy” after a shipment of masks from China that was meant for Berlin were seized and diverted to the U.S. while en route in Thailand. Similar reports emerged from Brazil, where a top official said China had set aside his country’s orders for equipment after the U.S. sent some 20 planes to pick up materials.”So true. The Americans are robbing their own NATO buddies and other western countries. Yet not a peep from the brainwashed group to condemn these acts.

That's so American, their marketing and creation of that they are the "good guys" and anyone opposing them are evil. Really ? Dot Com ? Sub prime ? GFC ? Al Qaeda ?

Even now when Trump is still calling it "the Chinese virus", blocking huawei, Etc. The Chinese have still sent 1000 ventilators to NY. Did Trump send any medical kit to China back in Jan and Feb when Chinese people were dying at its peak ?

[studsg]

Think he is not anti chinese more like Anti-commi.
You understand he is a honkey if that help.China has switched to capitalism since the 1980s, they just commi by name now.

They like most Asian countries continue to practice authoritarian control, media, people, etc. That's not an exclusive commi thing, else we would have to call India, Indo, Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines, the list goes on. As commi countries as well.

[CarnalConquerer]

So true. The Americans are robbing their own NATO buddies and other western countries. Yet not a peep from the brainwashed group to condemn these acts.

That's so American, their marketing and creation of that they are the "good guys" and anyone opposing them are evil. Really ? Dot Com ? Sub prime ? GFC ? Al Qaeda ?

Even now when Trump is still calling it "the Chinese virus", blocking huawei, Etc. The Chinese have still sent 1000 ventilators to NY. Did Trump send any medical kit to China back in Jan and Feb when Chinese people were dying at its peak ?

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/29/opinions/coronavirus-personal-protective-equipment-obeidallah/index.html

[studsg]

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/29/opinions/coronavirus-personal-protective-equipment-obeidallah/index.htmlGood point. Missed that. I take my last point back. Though with so many saying the Chinese are evil, so this is what evil countries do... Reciprocate with kindness...

[wilisno]

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/29/opinions/coronavirus-personal-protective-equipment-obeidallah/index.html

That’s Where All the American Protective Gear Have Gone ! Thanks Trump Administration !

Outraged !

[Climax598]

All this names calling between America and China are for local consumption as American is having their November election.

[studsg]

Most analyst have already predicted that Trump will continue as President as the Democrats have not been able to produce a candidate that has the amount of Marketing pull as Trump.