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Max Impact
25-02-2013, 11:11 PM
So I just did some numbers.
On the General Talk front page 19 posts are by Shops and 21 are by Punters. On the After Report front page 29 posts are by Shops and 13 are by Punters.
I know you can attack me for being the biggest fan of Yamady, so dont waste your time doing that.
Can we think of a way to make this better to save the forum's integrity?
Keep it constructive please.
HookedonHookerz
25-02-2013, 11:15 PM
forbid advertisers to post adverts in punters after reports. I dont check forum as much anymore, too much thread bumps by advertisers. You guys are just ruining the advertising punters leave for you. I want to read other punters feedback after reading the report, then trying for themselves. sigh...
wilisno
25-02-2013, 11:23 PM
If the advertisers only bring up threads of those on roster, and only one thread per girl instead of 3-4 threads for every girl, basically all the reports for the same girl, that would clear up a lot of space !
CunningLinguist
26-02-2013, 12:27 AM
forbid advertisers to post adverts in punters after reports. I dont check forum as much anymore, too much thread bumps by advertisers. You guys are just ruining the advertising punters leave for you. I want to read other punters feedback after reading the report, then trying for themselves. sigh...
I agree with you HookedonHookerz!
yamada
26-02-2013, 01:13 AM
i start keep thread on general section and AR section.
im very fair for doing this, i do not have sub ID and i use this ID only and keep thread my self.
not only me does keep the thread on general and AR section, i do not mind what ever you guys say to me.
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8inches
26-02-2013, 01:20 AM
Yamada,,, Whats the name of your shop?
Do your girls do bbbj?
jellyshots
26-02-2013, 05:56 AM
I do like it when shop owners interact with us. I find yamada a very funny person. I don't even mind that 3 line advertisement in his signature but when owners take the opportunity to post rosters in a punter's AR or in the general section, it makes me think less of the shop. That's one reason why I had never visited MOC or TMC.
yamada
26-02-2013, 06:09 AM
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Eureka
26-02-2013, 08:14 AM
So I just did some numbers.
On the General Talk front page 19 posts are by Shops and 21 are by Punters. On the After Report front page 29 posts are by Shops and 13 are by Punters.
I know you can attack me for being the biggest fan of Yamady, so dont waste your time doing that.
Can we think of a way to make this better to save the forum's integrity?
Keep it constructive please.
TOTALLY AGREE
When I logged on at around 6 this morning it was even worse than your mix:
- 32 shop posts - spammed by Yamada and Myoutcall with a couple from 5 Star
- 8 member posts !!
WTF
I have been to Yamada, Myoutcall and 5 Star.
1) Yamada - yes funny guy and girls are OK - but now as soon as log in and see the stream of Yamada posts honestly my eyes just glaze over ... and scroll down fast mode !!
Plus plethora of posts only equalled by lack of real information:
- no detailed description
- no photos or link to website with descriptions and photos aka Myoutcall - and don't say just ring or email for photos - yes he has replied twice but over the last few months ignored my emails over 8 times - and I can see from others I am not alone here !!
Throttle back Yamada as you are building a lot of negative equity if you ask me.
2) Myoutcall - yes always posted advert and reposted AR
- But they at least had the interest of going to their site and eyeballing the girls and seeing the roster.
- in the past it was not over the top.
- Now - yes girls quality has picked up but joined Yamada san in spam like frequency - Myoutcall - don't ever think that emulating Yamada approach it the way to go - for me - it is Not !
3) 5 Star -Yes always repost AR and advertise - but I accept advertising - yes Yamada even from you.
- The 5 Star frequency I think is acceptable although at times near the top end of my tolerance.
- Photos where possible of the top girls/ PH.
- Keep doing what you have - don't accelerate the postings to follow others and you will have my interest without causing the TMC Glazed Over Eye effect on me.
Just my 5 cents :)
Eureka
26-02-2013, 08:18 AM
If the advertisers only bring up threads of those on roster, and only one thread per girl instead of 3-4 threads for every girl, basically all the reports for the same girl, that would clear up a lot of space !
Yes - Intelligent suggestion.
Both Yamada and now MOC raise posts for girls that are not even rostered on.
And recently with MOC multiple posts for a girl that isn't even starting for a week !!
As you say Brother - On any given day only post a single AR repost and a Single General Section Advert ..... for those girls rostered on that day Only !!
Shaggydog
26-02-2013, 08:49 AM
When 2 shops keep re-posting reviews makes it pretty hard to see the new ones.
Get so I don't even look at any posts from those shops anymore,which sort of defeats their purpose...
Eureka
26-02-2013, 09:06 AM
When 2 shops keep re-posting reviews makes it pretty hard to see the new ones.
Get so I don't even look at any posts from those shops anymore,which sort of defeats their purpose...
Yep agree Shaggy
I potentially would miss what little information Yamada provides (and I only use him as the example because he more than most illustrates the growing problem) because when confronted with a mass of red Yamada posts I just scroll immediately through with little engagement !!
That is the problem - the advertiser wants to "engage" his or hers potential clients (and therefore income) but it is a delicate balance of turning people off and it actually being a negative!
In mainstream advertising many have learnt this lesson the hard way.
Sadly - although it may be partly lost in translation - Yamada above responds in either tongue in cheek humour ... Or a rejection of the issue punctuated by hijacking this post thread as well !!!
In advertising as in most aspects - perception is reality - and the perception I gained from Yamada's comments above is to be totally dismissive of what was a useful contribution by Max and basically say - get stuffed I will do what I want !!
He is of course free to do that -
-as we are free to take our business to those who provide services we can find value, attitude & affinity for.
walkout
26-02-2013, 09:13 AM
When 2 shops keep re-posting reviews makes it pretty hard to see the new ones.
Get so I don't even look at any posts from those shops anymore,which sort of defeats their purpose...
I basically just skip whatever post with shop owner's name on it, and read the punters', it's not hard to click " next page" anyway:) we can't control what the owners are doing here as they are paid customers @.@ but but we could at least decide what we are going to read here :)
asiafever
26-02-2013, 09:39 AM
Yeah it's a bugbear of mine. Just too much advertising by shops, digging up months old posts/reviews then whacking a "on today" to bump it. There's a roster section, keep it there. Maybe a limit on the 'ads' per day, and maybe keep the review section ad free.
PhoBot
26-02-2013, 10:24 AM
I can accept a little in the general section, but if the admin wants to keep site integrity, there should be a total ban on shops posting in the AR.
Max Impact
26-02-2013, 12:09 PM
Don't get me wrong, I love to frequent Yamada"s business. He has fresh Japanese talent coming all the time.
It's now the norm for the more active agencies/shops to try and get as many threads in the front page as possible.
If they didn't bump the reviews, you would have to search for it once working out which girls were on in the roster section.
I guess there should be a limit of one bump per girl, or a new section for currently available girls' reviews to be bumped too?
Coconut
26-02-2013, 12:16 PM
Shop Roster - for rosters & advertising only.
General talk - No advertising. Shop owners may only respond on the subject that is being discussed.
After reports - Same as general talk.
Coconut
26-02-2013, 12:26 PM
Shop owners can put links to other reports on their shop roster. That will make it easy for punters.
asiafever
26-02-2013, 12:28 PM
Exactly. When I go to the ar section and see mostly shop ads I can't be bothered fishing through looking for actual reviews. Shops can post in ar section answering direct questions or clarifying points in a review, but blatant ads should be banned in that section.
8inches
26-02-2013, 12:47 PM
It's all good
wilisno
26-02-2013, 12:50 PM
Shop owners can put links to other reports on their shop roster. That will make it easy for punters.
Sensible suggestions !
Shop Roster - for rosters & advertising only.
General talk - No advertising. Shop owners may only respond on the subject that is being discussed.
After reports - Same as general talk.
+1 for me on this. Like many of the other responses here, I don't even bother to look at a post that has been bumped up on the AR if it has been bumped up by the shop. And in the general talk forum I dont look at the shops advertising posts cause most of it's a waste of my time. To my eyes it seems Ginza is the only one doing things fairly and not spamming the board. Wilson puts one thread up in general talk announcing a new girl, then he doesn't feel the need to splash her name, and that of every other girl working that day all over the forum. Thats the way it should be done. Perhaps if shops weren't spamming all over the place, people might be bothered to make more comments and reviews on girls. Theses days, if a new review of a girl goes up it's lost 3 pages down the forum within a day or two. Time for Admin to sort it all out?!
asiafever
26-02-2013, 01:52 PM
Just did a quick check. On the first page of ar section right now 13 posts by yamada and 13 by moc. 26 from 2 shops advertising. Overkill.
8inches
26-02-2013, 01:52 PM
As long as the advertisers are paying the rent don't expect too much
igloo
26-02-2013, 02:19 PM
So I just did some numbers.
On the General Talk front page 19 posts are by Shops and 21 are by Punters. On the After Report front page 29 posts are by Shops and 13 are by Punters.
I know you can attack me for being the biggest fan of Yamady, so dont waste your time doing that.
Can we think of a way to make this better to save the forum's integrity?
Keep it constructive please.
Max I wish to attack u for being the biggest.... That was a Waste of Time...
Max I wish to thank you for doing the numbers, Its really a bug bear for me. I went back to find some of my older posts on this topic but they have been deleted. I emailed admin as to why the deletion occurred. No response at all. I asked for it back never to be reposted... No response or acknowledgement. The thread was one u started about Tiger (I think u started it), I had a real go at you and Yamamda, pretty funny I thought.
So at the end of the day, its up to the advertisers to realise that so many independent punters cant stand the bumps, and dont even open them or read them. These punters are really prolific sex for money guys, so why piss them off. Who has been to TMC or Anywhere due to bumps, I WOULD SAY FEW IF ANY. ON the other hand WHO HAS BOOKED A GIRL AFTER READING Gucci's review...or thought if she can swallow Mr7, then I might give her a go and see if she can take the extra 2 inches....The 5 Star reviews convinced me to spend up and pop in a couple of times, there are many other examples. Ginza has gone to one of the great establishments in a relatively short time and Wilson doesn't even post in the AR. I think I can take a small part of the credit for the lack of pollution in AR section from Ginza http://forum.aus99.com/showthread.php?1662-Kyoko-very-very-new-and-fresh&p=31026#post31026
SO much more activity is created by girls giving good service and punters sharing on the forum than bump ups..... For Fucks sake, ban them. If they threaten to leave and not advertise let one or 2 go...see what happens to those who do leave... revenue will drop, or advertising dollars will increase , while punter traffic will decrease and the owners effort will increase because they will not be able to achieve what this forum offers from just 1 or 2 or 3 other medians.
By the way, has admin ever contacted anyone or they just " do what they do" and stay anon? Just askin, no issue with whatever the decision is, as I dont want to jeopardize my membership...
Max Impact
26-02-2013, 02:31 PM
You can be cold to me sometimes Igloo.
Shaggydog
26-02-2013, 02:59 PM
Perhaps we should use some consumer power - I for one will not be posting any reviews of shops that spam out of control.
If others do so,perhaps the shops might start to differentiate between advertising and spam.
Spam ban on reviews! :)
8inches
26-02-2013, 03:12 PM
Perhaps we should use some consumer power - I for one will not be posting any reviews of shops that spam out of control.
If others do so,perhaps the shops might start to differentiate between advertising and spam.
Spam ban on reviews! :)
People get burnt Fighting fire with fire.
Shaggydog
26-02-2013, 03:16 PM
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yamada
26-02-2013, 03:20 PM
Yes - Intelligent suggestion.
Both Yamada and now MOC raise posts for girls that are not even rostered on.
And recently with MOC multiple posts for a girl that isn't even starting for a week !!
As you say Brother - On any given day only post a single AR repost and a Single General Section Advert ..... for those girls rostered on that day Only !!
not only 3 shop.
all shops and agents does same things, why choose only 3 name?
that is highest price business, if the shop was cheap price its not be bad things?
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Max Impact
26-02-2013, 03:22 PM
I'm still going to have to post reports. I can't help it kkkkk!
Shaggydog
26-02-2013, 03:37 PM
rofl Max! :)
PunterBoy
26-02-2013, 05:36 PM
All the SAME and MULTIPLE spammy posts from shops are lowering the quality. This forum is driven by punter feedback and shops posts are taking up too much space.
I think moderator should enforce some rules on the shops.
CunningLinguist
26-02-2013, 06:04 PM
What I can't uderstand is that Yamada is the worst offender and he has never responded to my SMS or email request for pictures.
So what is the point of spamming so much if he never responds...
readyfreddy
26-02-2013, 06:19 PM
LOL, even the post about spam got spammed. Can see both sides of the argument but it would be good to more easily find the reviews.
DYSLENOJD
26-02-2013, 06:21 PM
I certainly can't be bothered reading most of the AR because i find they're all old and are just being bumped over and over... it's getting worse and out of control imo
zeroun
26-02-2013, 06:24 PM
What I can't uderstand is that Yamada is the worst offender and he has never responded to my SMS or email request for pictures.
So what is the point of spamming so much if he never responds...
Yeah, me too... i've sent Yamada numerous emails and never received a reply...
asiafever
26-02-2013, 07:12 PM
The reason you were one of those singled out yamada is that when this thread was started you and moc had bombed the ar section. No you guys aren't Robinson Crusoe in that, but don't miss the point. Advertisers may pay the bills but without punters there is no customer base to advertise to.
When I look in the rosters section I expect shops to 'sell' their business. (Mind you, shops who keep advertising in the rosters section without actually showing a roster pisses me off too, another story though), but general talk and particularly ar section really are inappropriate places to bombard with endless spruiking. Ar is a place we go to read another's experience, preferably recent. Fishing through 2-3 pages of bumped reviews is not what we sign up for I dare suggest, and starts to render the idea of an ar section pointless. Why post a review on the off chance someone may read it on page 3 after the shops have been on?
Max Impact
26-02-2013, 10:47 PM
I just posted an AR anyway!
PhoBot
26-02-2013, 11:00 PM
Furthermore, some of the threads that are being bumped have just one or two punters comments, and more than 30 shop owner 'bumps'
Admin, you've got a good site but it's time you start taking care of it's long term future. Your call.
Coconut
26-02-2013, 11:59 PM
I just posted an AR anyway!
Already spammed 3 times by shop owner in less than 2 hours.
yamada
27-02-2013, 12:05 AM
Already spammed 3 times by shop owner in less than 2 hours.
no understand why you can say like that to me.
most clients does not comment on forum.
Coconut
27-02-2013, 12:26 AM
no understand why you can say like that to me.
most clients does not comment on forum.
Yamada. You are a good guy and have top class product. I know because I am your customer. You get good free advertising from customer reports. Adding your adverts devalues the report and makes it too cumbersome to read. Use the roster for advertising and put links to to each girl's after reports in the roster next to her name. You can update the roster every half hour if you feel you have to.
Shaggydog
27-02-2013, 04:01 AM
Wow, I can see punter feedback has really been listened to....lol
Over 28 bumps from 2 shops on the first page of the AR again! Makes it seem usless to AR any shop at this rate.
MyOutCall Australia
27-02-2013, 04:24 AM
TOTALLY AGREE
When I logged on at around 6 this morning it was even worse than your mix:
- 32 shop posts - spammed by Yamada and Myoutcall with a couple from 5 Star
- 8 member posts !!
WTF
I have been to Yamada, Myoutcall and 5 Star.
1) Yamada - yes funny guy and girls are OK - but now as soon as log in and see the stream of Yamada posts honestly my eyes just glaze over ... and scroll down fast mode !!
Plus plethora of posts only equalled by lack of real information:
- no detailed description
- no photos or link to website with descriptions and photos aka Myoutcall - and don't say just ring or email for photos - yes he has replied twice but over the last few months ignored my emails over 8 times - and I can see from others I am not alone here !!
Throttle back Yamada as you are building a lot of negative equity if you ask me.
2) Myoutcall - yes always posted advert and reposted AR
- But they at least had the interest of going to their site and eyeballing the girls and seeing the roster.
- in the past it was not over the top.
- Now - yes girls quality has picked up but joined Yamada san in spam like frequency - Myoutcall - don't ever think that emulating Yamada approach it the way to go - for me - it is Not !
3) 5 Star -Yes always repost AR and advertise - but I accept advertising - yes Yamada even from you.
- The 5 Star frequency I think is acceptable although at times near the top end of my tolerance.
- Photos where possible of the top girls/ PH.
- Keep doing what you have - don't accelerate the postings to follow others and you will have my interest without causing the TMC Glazed Over Eye effect on me.
Just my 5 cents :)
I accept it! Many thanks!
I am definitely listening to every one and please give me 2 days to clean!
I feel sorry for making any inconvenience to any loyal Syd99 member.
Please have a look reposted MOC threads now and PM to "MyOutCall Australia" if anything uncomfortable in future every bro. I just have done the reposts by your rules.
Duncan
MyOutCall.COM
SydneyCat.COM
But MOC, 30 minutes after this post you were bumping ARs again. Why does it take 2 days to clean up your act? You say you listen but continue to do it.... I don't get it.
8inches
27-02-2013, 12:55 PM
If certain members keep bumping threads and posting rosters in the wrong section then expect shops to do the same.
So better get used to it.
This forum so far still is better than HL and MHG
yamada
27-02-2013, 01:53 PM
yeah, this forum has a lot of wanker so, many comment is kind of bullshit.
most our clients just want to know the New product information.
we using this web site for AD, we never discount and never post Fake reviews.
we have top Japanese girl in Sydney and Porno actress and Euro mix with Japanese product only.
if who not have good size of budget of punt just searching friend or complain about your problem on the forum,
we not handle it. i just do my part of job here.
we have good relation ship with regular clients, sorry for our clients about couple Wanker on the forum.
we got new girl G-PIP 18yo and This Friday New porno actress MANSON.
we still enjoy Summer time!!!
By TMC YAMADA
8inches
27-02-2013, 02:01 PM
Does Manson do Greek?
yamada
27-02-2013, 02:18 PM
Does Manson do Greek?
Lungor does Greek.
i think it to early for MANSON start Greek on porno. She is not that level of girl.
She does DTBBBJ CIMSW DFK COF 69
im wainting her since 1month!!!
8inches
27-02-2013, 02:31 PM
AHLungor does Greek.
i think it to early for MANSON start Greek on porno. She is not that level of girl.
She does DTBBBJ CIMSW DFK COF 69
im wainting her since 1month!!!
Thanks for the information.
I know Ahlungor does greek as brother hell no mentioned it a few times but its not really something I would pay extra for.
yamada
27-02-2013, 02:33 PM
Lungor does not charge extra for Greek, $350 for 1hour service including Greek.
Max Impact
27-02-2013, 06:56 PM
Thanks for the information.
I know Ahlungor does greek as brother hell no mentioned it a few times but its not really something I would pay extra for.
Wow, hell no, you did Greek with AhLungor. Did he like it?
I did Greek with Lungor but never AhLungor
Sextus
27-02-2013, 07:11 PM
Max you are back! Welcome back to the forum as an active poster!
How was your retirement?
Max Impact
27-02-2013, 07:40 PM
Its just a slow retirement phase. I cant help but posting!
I thinking I really need to just stop punting, not posting. She would be happy then, I guess.
I really dont want to sajiao'd in the middle of a restaurant again. I am not good at "honghong".
Sextus
27-02-2013, 08:33 PM
That is the second occasion on which you have been sajiao'd by your new sweetheart.
I'd love to have such a cute feminine social / cultural experience, even just once!
Mind you Max, the fact that she already knows about your punting life this early may indicate how you know her.
8inches
27-02-2013, 11:36 PM
Wow, hell no, you did Greek with AhLungor. Did he like it?
I did Greek with Lungor but never AhLungor
Brother Hell No has been banned!!
Oh well I guess we'll never know :-(
Coconut
27-02-2013, 11:57 PM
[QUOTE=yamada;193840]yeah, this forum has a lot of wanker so, many comment is kind of bullshit.
most our clients just want to know the New product information.
we using this web site for AD, we never discount and never post Fake reviews.
we have top Japanese girl in Sydney and Porno actress and Euro mix with Japanese product only.
if who not have good size of budget of punt just searching friend or complain about your problem on the forum,
we not handle it. i just do my part of job here.
we have good relation ship with regular clients, sorry for our clients about couple Wanker on the forum.
Poor old Yamada cannot take constructive criticism without calling people names.
You say that you have good relations with some of your regular customers Yamada, but many of your potential new customers think you are useless at responding to their mail. This is probably the result of your spending too much time spamming the AFTER REPORT section, oh sorry it is no longer the AFTER REPORT section, it is now the AD section.
And 8, yes this forum is better than others but is there any harm in trying to make it better?
Coconut
27-02-2013, 11:59 PM
yeah, this forum has a lot of wanker so, many comment is kind of bullshit.
most our clients just want to know the New product information.
we using this web site for AD, we never discount and never post Fake reviews.
we have top Japanese girl in Sydney and Porno actress and Euro mix with Japanese product only.
if who not have good size of budget of punt just searching friend or complain about your problem on the forum,
we not handle it. i just do my part of job here.
we have good relation ship with regular clients, sorry for our clients about couple Wanker on the forum.
we got new girl G-PIP 18yo and This Friday New porno actress MANSON.
we still enjoy Summer time!!!
By TMC YAMADA
Poor old Yamada cannot take constructive criticism without calling people names.
You say that you have good relations with some of your regular customers Yamada, but many of your potential new customers think you are useless at responding to their mail. This is probably the result of your spending too much time spamming the AFTER REPORT section, oh sorry it is no longer the AFTER REPORT section, it is now the AD section.
And 8, yes this forum is better than others but is there any harm in trying to make it better?
mkko2
28-02-2013, 12:05 AM
It is unfair to target these shops.
Don't we all agree that these 3 shops have provided good service for punters in the long run?
Why target them?... there are many shops that do that.
In fact we have certain members (king members) that promote shops they are somehow affiliated to too..
and those biased reports... we tolerated that.
so why not tolerate this?
CunningLinguist
28-02-2013, 12:08 AM
There seems to be a select group of regulars that Yamada caters for, and the rest of us that he ignores.
Perhaps he should just have a private group where he advertises to his regulars and saves the rest of us the grief of reading his constant advertising for a "product" that is not available.
Rocket Man
28-02-2013, 12:12 AM
Lucky bastards!
Coconut
28-02-2013, 12:16 AM
We should not tolerate it from anyone. That's the point. I do agree that only a selected few shops have been mentioned in this thread and maybe this is unfair, but you have to admit that they are by far the worst offenders.
There is no doubt that all these shops provide good service and top quality girls. But this is not the issue being discussed.
The AR section has become almost impossible to use effectively. We need to fix this.
mkko2
28-02-2013, 12:20 AM
its impossible to fix.
if you ban them from posting, they will pretend to be punters... and post anyway...
then we won't know real ARs from fake ARs....
at least now, we know who is who... we always have the option to ignore.
Coconut
28-02-2013, 12:25 AM
its impossible to fix.
if you ban them from posting, they will pretend to be punters... and post anyway...
then we won't know real ARs from fake ARs....
at least now, we know who is who... we always have the option to ignore.
No one in this thread want's to ban the shops from posting. They are being asked to post in the correct section.
8inches
28-02-2013, 12:27 AM
In fact we have certain members (king members) that promote shops they are somehow affiliated to too..
and those biased reports... we tolerated that.
so why not tolerate this?
At least shops pay their way, Certain King Member spam for free and brag on their special treatments then have the nerve to get pissed off if punters post real reviews that have any negative elements. WTF!?!?
mkko2
28-02-2013, 12:27 AM
no shop will want to post in the correct section, unless there is punishment for it.
if all shops post in the correct section, and one does not, that one wins
hence all will choose to not post in the correct section. there are no consequences to it.
Coconut
28-02-2013, 12:33 AM
no shop will want to post in the correct section, unless there is punishment for it.
if all shops post in the correct section, and one does not, that one wins
hence all will choose to not post in the correct section. there are no consequences to it.
If admin deleted posts that are put in the wrong section everyone would soon learn to get it right.
mkko2
28-02-2013, 12:34 AM
that's a good punishment method. but that requires the admins to do so... and there's also the question of a biased admin
yamada
28-02-2013, 01:57 AM
[QUOTE=yamada;193840]yeah, this forum has a lot of wanker so, many comment is kind of bullshit.
most our clients just want to know the New product information.
we using this web site for AD, we never discount and never post Fake reviews.
we have top Japanese girl in Sydney and Porno actress and Euro mix with Japanese product only.
if who not have good size of budget of punt just searching friend or complain about your problem on the forum,
we not handle it. i just do my part of job here.
we have good relation ship with regular clients, sorry for our clients about couple Wanker on the forum.
Poor old Yamada cannot take constructive criticism without calling people names.
You say that you have good relations with some of your regular customers Yamada, but many of your potential new customers think you are useless at responding to their mail. This is probably the result of your spending too much time spamming the AFTER REPORT section, oh sorry it is no longer the AFTER REPORT section, it is now the AD section.
And 8, yes this forum is better than others but is there any harm in trying to make it better?
i do not need to have lecture from you and your friends. i just play with new rule, i just play with my mouth so, did not understand the purpose to i comment to this thread.
also i have been busy all the time, i can not understand your personal things and you not own this web site and what is problem for you? am i poor old guy?
its ok^^ i think that, i do not say anything bad comment to the one person. you better understand and say it to me . you can not talk about this business, what i can learn
from you?
why you can lecture to me? only 1 shop does all of this? i do not care what you thinking of me and my section. it not problem for me.
also i do not care about King member, im not enjoy with this colour, i enjoy with this business, we have different point .
yamada
28-02-2013, 01:59 AM
At least shops pay their way, Certain King Member spam for free and brag on their special treatments then have the nerve to get pissed off if punters post real reviews that have any negative elements. WTF!?!?
i do not care about colour of member ID.
i can start from violet.
yamada
28-02-2013, 02:05 AM
its impossible to fix.
if you ban them from posting, they will pretend to be punters... and post anyway...
then we won't know real ARs from fake ARs....
at least now, we know who is who... we always have the option to ignore.
yeah, maybe i could be pretend to be punter or using another ID.
but if i do that way, we can not using this website for AD. we have Japanese product, and Porno actress. why do we need provide fake AR or using another ID.
this is business, it not just punting my self.
spitzer
28-02-2013, 04:57 AM
I accept it! Many thanks!
I am definitely listening to every one and please give me 2 days to clean!
I feel sorry for making any inconvenience to any loyal Syd99 member.
Please have a look reposted MOC threads now and PM to "MyOutCall Australia" if anything uncomfortable in future every bro. I just have done the reposts by your rules.
Duncan
MyOutCall.COM
SydneyCat.COM
If that is the attitude of the owner, I am sure the customer care and focus must go thru the business as well.
DUNCAN Thank you for taking the views and concerns of so many punters seriously. There has been much written on this topic and this guys actions should be recognised, applauded and rewarded.....
I WILL PM YOU NOW AND ARRANGE A VISIT. It will be my virgin MOC experience so be gentle and recommend someone really really good.
Thanks
Spitzer
wilisno
28-02-2013, 07:17 AM
Brother Hell No has been banned!!
Oh well I guess we'll never know :-(
I just found out he's been banned too, what a waste of a character ! :-(
Gucci2012
28-02-2013, 07:33 AM
I like cheese burgers.
MyOutCall Australia
28-02-2013, 07:47 AM
If that is the attitude of the owner, I am sure the customer care and focus must go thru the business as well.
DUNCAN Thank you for taking the views and concerns of so many punters seriously. There has been much written on this topic and this guys actions should be recognised, applauded and rewarded.....
I WILL PM YOU NOW AND ARRANGE A VISIT. It will be my virgin MOC experience so be gentle and recommend someone really really good.
Thanks
Spitzer
Spitzer brotha,
You will be very welcome to MOC.
Well, i still need 1 or 2 days to make change by letting multiple threads drop down to pages themselves meanwhile keeping ONLY important info/quick news/AD on Time at general section. (For After report section, everybody could see that i've already done good action days ago by creating "MyOutCall.COM Good review collection" thread just trying to make sure everybody would be comfortable & easily search for MOC gals' reviews on the top! It is simple, efficient and smart! :grimace: It saves a lots space as well! ) Everybody will see my personal worries! However it finally come up by members! :grimace:
I've realised that highly frequently poping-up threads might affect members to quickly catch fresh & interesting info daily and also, it really does narrow the members space of speech! This is for members profits. I fully understand and support!
For your MOC virgin visit but not visiting "MOC Virgin":miao:, please PM me first for good arrangement & recommendation by me but not MOC receptionist. I am 100% sure to give you a happy ending by MOC big3, miss moc or SydneyCat gals.
Do not forget always trying to make complaint to Duncan Straight away about MOC Staff's bad attitude & mistake if there happened!!!
MOC see you soon...
Duncan
MyOutCall.COM
SydneyCat.COM
8inches
28-02-2013, 07:50 AM
I like cheese burgers.
Is this 1 of your cryptic posts that only you understand?
McDoubles are $2 read between the lines!
Shaggydog
28-02-2013, 09:25 AM
Great work MOC on taking the feedback on board-it is a sign of a mature buisness person to recognise feedback as an opportunity for improvement.
Hopefully we will see some other shops following this lead.
Coconut
28-02-2013, 09:43 AM
Great work MOC on taking the feedback on board-it is a sign of a mature buisness person to recognise feedback as an opportunity for improvement.
Hopefully we will see some other shops following this lead.
Yes. Well done MOC. Very good business decision. After reports for your girls will be much easier to read.
MyOutCall Australia
28-02-2013, 09:54 AM
Oh, many thanks.
For General section if We wont see shop owner's multiple threads about one gal, We have to get the permission of
changing the thread title to make one thread always being valid & up-to-date all the time.
However unfortunately We don't have this permission.
I've reported this issue to Admin@syd99 already 2nd time today and, hope I could get a response about it...
Today i post a advertising post/info thread "[MOC THU 28/02]", tomorrow I have to post a new thread named "[MOC FRI 01/03]..." if I need to!
THE QUESTION is: Why not let me to just change the title from [MOC THU 28/02] -> [MOC Fri 01/03]?
Don't forget that the old syd99 forum is not like this...
Duncan
Gucci2012
28-02-2013, 10:14 AM
Is this 1 of your cryptic posts that only you understand?
McDoubles are $2 read between the lines!
Nope everyone is complaining about something that will not change, which makes this thread pointless, so I'll add to the pointlessness by saying "I like cheese burgers" get the point? Nope? neither do I.
Yamada is unstoppable there isn't a single member or even a group of members who could slow him down, so why stress over things you can not control...just go with it. First world problem.
asiafever
28-02-2013, 10:43 AM
But it is stopable. Firstly by admin and secondly by the shops themself taking the feedback seriously and constructively. Moc seems to have and it is appreciated. Another thread has been started on same topic. Let me ask, is this a punter forum that allows shop advertising, or a shop forum that allows punters to post? On one hand our voice should be heard and respected, or else it is no different from hl where shops rule and we are gradually to become insignificant. Links to reviews in the roster section etc would be fine, and yes punters constantly bombarding with rosters etc of shops they are affiliated with need to be treated the same, it is enough of a problem that it is coming to a head. At the moment I can't be bothered reading nor posting reviews because I can't be bothered with all the shop posts in there bumping threads etc.
Anyway, the point is raised, one shop appears to be addressing the concerns raised. Lets see what happens.
8inches
28-02-2013, 11:17 AM
But it is stopable. Firstly by admin and secondly by the shops themself taking the feedback seriously and constructively. Moc seems to have and it is appreciated. Another thread has been started on same topic. Let me ask, is this a punter forum that allows shop advertising, or a shop forum that allows punters to post? On one hand our voice should be heard and respected, or else it is no different from hl where shops rule and we are gradually to become insignificant. Links to reviews in the roster section etc would be fine, and yes punters constantly bombarding with rosters etc of shops they are affiliated with need to be treated the same, it is enough of a problem that it is coming to a head. At the moment I can't be bothered reading nor posting reviews because I can't be bothered with all the shop posts in there bumping threads etc.
Anyway, the point is raised, one shop appears to be addressing the concerns raised. Lets see what happens.
This statement makes alot of sense, I hope you don't mind me quoting it in another thread in the after report section that is being spammed by a member of this forum that continues to ignore what members are complaining about.
It's quite simple really guys, admin created a roster section for the shops to post rosters whenever they feel and members don't reply.
asiafever
28-02-2013, 11:30 AM
Go for it mate. Be my guest.
Rocket Man
28-02-2013, 12:13 PM
Brother Hell No has been banned!!
Oh well I guess we'll never know :-(
Dont talk about people being banned or you will get banned.
8inches
28-02-2013, 12:19 PM
Dont talk about people being banned or you will get banned.
Don't talk about people talking about people getting banned or you will get banned.
Haha cheers
wilisno
28-02-2013, 12:20 PM
Don't talk about people talking about people getting banned or you will get banned.
Haha cheers
That's more like it ! ;) ;) ;)
slarty
01-03-2013, 10:09 PM
Gees I'm off the forum a couple of days and I miss this thread unfold. I knew something had changed when I logged in today and the first page wasn't filled with pages bumped by advertisers :)
Can only be a good thing as it was getting out of control. I must admit I was one of the punters that just scrolled past anything whose last post was a shop. The bumping thing isn't my main annoyance though. What sometimes find tiresome is threads that I read looking for honest punter reviews being filled with questionable looking reviews or being spammed by members with their own agendas pushing their favourite shops.
Max Impact
01-03-2013, 10:17 PM
Slarty, I don't think anyone here writes questionable reviews. How often does someone challenge a review? It's rare and often others chime in to backup the reviewers point of view. An untruthful reviewer would last long here.
Of course we may all sometimes get overly enthusiastic about our favourite shops and bump them up a bit. At least that's just the actions of satisfied customers.
slarty
01-03-2013, 11:11 PM
Apologies I have been a bit vague and as a result some people that post genuine reviews might think I am talking about them- not the case I know most reviews are genuine. Suffice to say I see some (not many) posts that look like they might be written under a 'ghost' user name. The writing style can look familiar. I am sure a few forum members will know what I am talking about.
playerz
01-03-2013, 11:11 PM
Agree with Max Impact's initial post, too much spamming by certain shop owners. And since my money talks, I would be inclined to stay away from all the spamming shops.
8inches
02-03-2013, 02:00 AM
Agree with Max Impact's initial post, too much spamming by certain shop owners. And since my money talks, I would be inclined to stay away from all the spamming shops.
I think other members will get turned off by shops bumping threads and spamming the forum with rosters?
jellyshots
02-03-2013, 05:58 PM
I think other members will get turned off by shops bumping threads and spamming the forum with rosters?
Especially if those shops get asked questions by punters and they just get ignored.
Shaggydog
02-03-2013, 08:35 PM
'''''''''''''''''''''''''
8inches
02-03-2013, 09:14 PM
Ask no questions-get no lies
Shaggydog
02-03-2013, 09:17 PM
Love your cryptic remarks 8 - not sure what they mean but keep em coming! :)
Coconut
02-03-2013, 11:39 PM
Great maturity showed by MOC,I hope punters reward them by giving business,their re-posts have vanished from the AR forum.
It would be great if admin gave the shops the ability to have a ongoing thread at the top of the AR, so they are able to link reviews & rave about a girl,without pushing all the genuine new reviews off the page.
Almost makes me want to start posting AR's again.
Would be amazing if Yamada & TP64 also listened to feedback & did the same thing,both are great shops,but very sad they are not listening to customers in this regard.Instead we see lots of posts continuing on the AR,pushing out the people who took the time to post a new review,which is what I certainly am looking for,not a 60th re-post from a shop...
It is a shame Yamada posts things like "yeah, this forum has a lot of wanker so, many comment is kind of bullshit." instead of showing some business sense like MOC & heeding the call.
Often small business people suffer from "god "syndrome,having never swum with the big fishes in big business,they feel they have all the answers, yes you may have great girls,which is the main thing,but unless you own the forum, I don't see why people should be so inconsiderate to push out punter reviews with shop spam...
Admin is this forum owned by the shops?
If so make it clear so people who wish to post AR's in a forum for punters can take that decision..!
Well said Shaggydog!
cassius
03-03-2013, 01:38 AM
I don't know about other bod, but I vote with my feet. Which I know means I miss some great girls. But I am busy. I like my SMS to
be answered quickly, I like website descriptions to
be accurate. NB face and services provided. Also not keeping photos of girls who left in 1987.
slarty
11-03-2013, 07:34 PM
Just a quick check at 7:30pm today- in the after report section 24 out of 40 threads on the top page the last post is by Shop Owners or their 'Close Friend'. Looks like things are going back quickly to spam city.
AHLUNGOR
11-03-2013, 11:42 PM
Just a quick check at 7:30pm today- in the after report section 24 out of 40 threads on the top page the last post is by Shop Owners or their 'Close Friend'. Looks like things are going back quickly to spam city.
I don't think the situation will change much, just have to go around them a bit
Cheers
Littlewonder
12-03-2013, 08:24 AM
Some things will never change the only way to fix the problem is for admin to say shops can't post in the AR section of the forum unless its to answer a question or problem.
PhoBot
12-03-2013, 09:30 AM
Just a quick check at 7:30pm today- in the after report section 24 out of 40 threads on the top page the last post is by Shop Owners or their 'Close Friend'. Looks like things are going back quickly to spam city.
What's worse is that if you actually open those bumped posts, you'll find there is one punters comment, with 3 pages (40) bumps.
CunningLinguist
12-03-2013, 07:32 PM
Perhaps there is a need for a feature that the forum developers can add: Have an ignore list for a forum section, and also honour the list in terms of displaying the latest thread posts. So you could have a setting that says ignore <spamPosterX> in section AR for example. Then you wouldn't see any thread activity if <spamPosterX> bumped the thread. This would help alot for the "What's New"/"New Posts" links as well.
slarty
12-03-2013, 07:39 PM
What's worse is that if you actually open those bumped posts, you'll find there is one punters comment, with 3 pages (40) bumps.
Yeah I noticed that too. Some of the bumped threads are quite old too. If we're not careful the forum will end up shop owners and a small group of interested parties all talking to themselves. :)
I'll be making a point to try and post more reviews whenever I see a new girl. I just hope people will see it among all that noise!
Yeah I noticed that too. Some of the bumped threads are quite old too. If we're not careful the forum will end up shop owners and a small group of interested parties all talking to themselves. :)
Sounds a little bit like the HL forum. Which has been quite shit for a while now imho. I hope this place isn't on it's way down that path. I haven't looked at the AR's yet today, I bet there's maybe only one or 2 that I'll read. When I logged into the Gerneral Talk section there are at least 21 threads that are advertising or bumped up threads promoting shops and girls. It's not really general talk is it. I'd hapily post more reviews, but I'm in a financial hole at the moment, so unfortunately my punting has unfortunately stopped in this country.
I remeber the days when it was almost impossible to get a shop to post a roster up online or to find out who was on unless you actually called or visited a shop. Now we have to trawl through pages of advertising to find a normal review or general topic of conversation. A happy meduim would be nice.
AHLUNGOR
13-03-2013, 11:40 AM
I remeber the days when it was almost impossible to get a shop to post a roster up online or to find out who was on unless you actually called or visited a shop. Now we have to trawl through pages of advertising to find a normal review or general topic of conversation. A happy meduim would be nice.
I agree, somewhere in between will be great!! We all hated it when there is No information, but we don't want to be flooded with too much and repeated information either.
The forum cannot survive without the advertisers, the members and guests are getting everything for free, we should respect the people who are paying the fees so that we can keep this forum going. There are rooms for 40 threads in each of the front page of General Talks and After Report, I don't have any issue if any one shop like Ginza or Foxy or SL all have a dedicated thread for the shop to post or update info or do whatever with their thread - but I guess one thread per shop will be good.
Then at least we can view stuffs from 40 different shops with info or reviews or general topics. that way it will be a fair game. The key is you are not taking too much room on the front page so that the other shops can not get in.
If other members want to start a new thread on any shop or bring back an old thread because he wants to add something new to it, then he should be free to do so, afterall, this is a free for all forum. If the thread is popular and generated a lot of posts, it will stay on the front page, otherwise, it will fade away very quickly.
Just my 1 cent
Cheers
rooter
13-03-2013, 11:48 AM
Looks like detente has collapsed - it was nice while it lasted.
The arms race has started again !
jellyshots
13-03-2013, 02:34 PM
The private AR is free from advertisers at the moment, why wouldn't we just post to that one?
AHLUNGOR
13-03-2013, 03:12 PM
The private AR is free from advertisers at the moment, why wouldn't we just post to that one?
This is not gonna work, if you want to write something where only 10% of the visitors to this site can read, then by all means!!
The no. of visiting guests always outnumbered registered member about 4/5 to 1, I think when the forum with its peak visitation of 500+, only around 100 were members, well over 400+ were guests, and out of the 100 members, great majority of them were baby members who have no access to the private section, so you do the sum. You want to write for 50 people or rather 500 people can share your thoughts. its a no brainer.
Cheers
:burn:
jellyshots
13-03-2013, 03:19 PM
This is not gonna work, if you want to write something where only 10% of the visitors to this site can read, then by all means!!
The no. of visiting guests always outnumbered registered member about 4/5 to 1, I think when the forum with its peak visitation of 500+, only around 100 were members, well over 400+ were guests, and out of the 100 members, great majority of them were baby members who have no access to the private section, so you do the sum. You want to write for 50 people or rather 500 people can share your thoughts. its a no brainer.
Cheers
:burn:
I might get in trouble if I move my current AR into the public area tho, lol...
PhoBot
13-03-2013, 03:52 PM
This is going to be the last post I make about this topic as I feel I've been pretty vocal already.
What makes this site good is the people who post their after reports. Not the advertisers, not the admin, only the people who spend their money and take time to write a report. I think it's the height of disrespect to allow these reports to be allowed to be used for spam!!
This is one of the better sites of it's type around, but I think the admin/s are being short sighted if they don't realise the current level of spam is a danger to the long term viability of this site for the short term gain of a few $$$
I'm not a communist and hope the admin makes heaps of punting money from this place, but I think they need to seriously think about how to keep this site the great place it is.
And AHLUNGOR, I disagree that members get it for free. We are the ones who keep this site ALIVE by spending our money then posting the reports.
Without these reports, this place would be an empty message board.
wilisno
13-03-2013, 04:18 PM
This is going to be the last post I make about this topic as I feel I've been pretty vocal already.
What makes this site good is the people who post their after reports. Not the advertisers, not the admin, only the people who spend their money and take time to write a report. I think it's the height of disrespect to allow these reports to be allowed to be used for spam!!
This is one of the better sites of it's type around, but I think the admin/s are being short sighted if they don't realise the current level of spam is a danger to the long term viability of this site for the short term gain of a few $$$
I'm not a communist and hope the admin makes heaps of punting money from this place, but I think they need to seriously think about how to keep this site the great place it is.
And AHLUNGOR, I disagree that members get it for free. We are the ones who keep this site ALIVE by spending our money then posting the reports.
Without these reports, this place would be an empty message board.
Do you think the customers will punish the offending advertisers by not patronizing them ? :miao: I don't think so, or they won't be spamming anymore ! :miao:
Beancounter
13-03-2013, 04:31 PM
Personally it gives me the shits seeing the useless bumps. There is probably a happy medium that could be reached but in the end it's the admins decision.
I use this forum because I find the information I find here the most useful compared to others. But like Wilisno said I ain't gonna punish advertisers for doing this. It's my loss not theirs..
That said why can't admin keep advertisers to General and Roster sections. You can post links to AR in Roster updates..
No use punishing the advertisers when there are no rules against this.. Hell I would do this too to promote my shop if I had one!
Littlewonder
13-03-2013, 04:33 PM
This is going to be the last post I make about this topic as I feel I've been pretty vocal already.
What makes this site good is the people who post their after reports. Not the advertisers, not the admin, only the people who spend their money and take time to write a report. I think it's the height of disrespect to allow these reports to be allowed to be used for spam!!
This is one of the better sites of it's type around, but I think the admin/s are being short sighted if they don't realise the current level of spam is a danger to the long term viability of this site for the short term gain of a few $$$
I'm not a communist and hope the admin makes heaps of punting money from this place, but I think they need to seriously think about how to keep this site the great place it is.
And AHLUNGOR, I disagree that members get it for free. We are the ones who keep this site ALIVE by spending our money then posting the reports.
Without these reports, this place would be an empty message board.
I think you sum it up pretty well PhoBot but I doubt that anything will change its all controlled by the famous $$$$$$
wilisno
13-03-2013, 04:36 PM
Hell I would do this too to promote my shop if I had one!
That's exactly the point ! If the advertisements don't produce results, why would the advertisers bother to do it, in other words, why would they bother to pay to be in it ?
Beancounter
13-03-2013, 05:01 PM
That's exactly the point ! If the advertisements don't produce results, why would the advertisers bother to do it, in other words, why would they bother to pay to be in it ?
I agree, you spend the money to produce positive results. They are allowed to promote their business in this way in return. In acknowledgement to why this thread was created, it's all not positive.
I have already said what I prefer to see but if the admin isn't gonna enforce it, nothing is gonna change. It's like telling people not to speed with no penalties..
I can understand why admin would stay quiet on this but I would like to see their stance so they can put this to bed.. that or I can put a WL to bed :p
wilisno
13-03-2013, 05:08 PM
I agree, you spend the money to produce positive results. They are allowed to promote their business in this way in return. In acknowledgement to why this thread was created, it's all not positive.
I have already said what I prefer to see but if the admin isn't gonna enforce it, nothing is gonna change. It's like telling people not to speed with no penalties..
I can understand why admin would stay quiet on this but I would like to see their stance so they can put this to bed.. that or I can put a WL to bed :p
Don't you think Admin has already done something ? Rememeber Yamada used to post 12-15 threads at any one time, several times a day ? Why do you think he's slowing down ? I think it's obvious that Admin has done something !
AHLUNGOR
13-03-2013, 05:18 PM
In order not to upset the advertisers, may be the Admin can trial something:
Keep the current General Talk, After Report, Private Massage and Shop Rosters sections as they are so everybody is happy especially the shops.
Create a members posting only section (everyone can view this section but shop owners are excluded from posting!) Without the Shop Owners posting, members should be happy and no more complaints about seeing 6 threads from yamada, 5 from MOC, 4 from TP 64, 3 from Ginza, 2 from 5 Star and 1 each from everyone else.
The only problem is, you can restrict the shop owner from posting in this section, but as the number of views and responses from this section skyrocketed and other sections goes quiet !! You can't control people registering new user names such as a sir yamada, MOC II, TP 64.1 and Ginzaboy etc. So there you go. Back to square 1.
Just my two cents, there must be other smart people who has a better solution,
Cheers
:thirst:
rooter
13-03-2013, 05:24 PM
These updated threads are annoying to us regulars on the forum and we have seen them all 100 times.
But they are not targetted at us. We are already customers or have already made up our minds about certain shops.
The updated threads are aimed at newbies and more importantly guests.
Check the people on the forum info and you will see guests outnumber members 5 to 1.
These people are often seeing the thread fir the first time. And there are always new guests logging in to view them.
That's why some threads have 1000's of views.
They may annoy us regulars and we just ignore them, but they are clearly an effective way to advertise the agency/shop to new customers.
That's why advertisers will keep on doing it - its good for business.
AHLUNGOR
13-03-2013, 05:35 PM
These updated threads are annoying to us regulars on the forum and we have seen them all 100 times.
But they are not targetted at us. We are already customers or have already made up our minds about certain shops.
The updated threads are aimed at newbies and more importantly guests.
Check the people on the forum info and you will see guests outnumber members 5 to 1.
These people are often seeing the thread fir the first time. And there are always new guests logging in to view them.
That's why some threads have 1000's of views.
They annoy the fuck out of us regulars and we just ignore them, but they are clearly an effective way to advertise the agency/shop to new customers.
That's why advertisers will keep on doing it.
Yeap, try 194,947 views, why would we want to change anything, right ?
I brought this thread over from the old forum exactly one year ago yesterday, it's getting on average 532 views a day! I'm sure my little sister is not complaining............:smile:
PhoBot
13-03-2013, 07:51 PM
It may be an effective way for shops to advertise, but lets say there are 5 more shops doing this, the whole AR section would soon be full of NOTHING and eventually the regulars will take their posts else where, and the guests will have nothing to read.
wilisno
13-03-2013, 08:01 PM
It may be an effective way for shops to advertise, but lets say there are 5 more shops doing this, the whole AR section would soon be full of NOTHING and eventually the regulars will take their posts else where, and the guests will have nothing to read.
I thought you said the last post was your last on this subject ? :miao:
Anyway, as you said, you've been using the same reasoning for a long time now, and it's always been like this on this forum, so what has happened ? Users have doubled in the last 2 years !
As I've also said many times before, if there is such a need, I'm sure Admin will introduced new sections like The Private Massage Report.
CunningLinguist
13-03-2013, 08:02 PM
I reckon the amount of money being spent punting by forum readers is fairly constant on average.
So the spamming advertisers are trying to increase their share from us.
Each of them will try to do this in their own way, using one or more techiniques, Eg:
- provide up to date roster info
- give good info about their girls: size, dimensions, services, etc
- provide pictures
- encourage punters to write reports
- spam
- others ...
Spamming appears to be the low cost shortcut way to try to increase market share, since you are not really adding any value or doing any "work" as such.
But does it work ?
I think once a punter has frequented a place a few times they will form an opinion about whether that place is worth visiting for various reasons:
- easy to contact and organise a time/lady
- keeping bookings
- truthfullness of info and pictures
- quality of ladies
- services actually offered
- value for money
- location
- others ...
I think most/all of us repeat punters ignore the spam as best we can and dont' even read it, so it's pointless in the main.
I think spam may only work to attract interest from first time customers to a shop, however the more savy potential punters will be
looking at the rosters and girl details and then reading any real AR's and base their decision on this.
If spam does attract interest then the points above about increasing market share come into play.
The only reason I can see spam working then is to attract mug punters.
If I was running a shop I would provide rolling daily updates to my roster thread, in the roster section looking forward a few days, and also details/pictures of the girls etc, either via weblink or in the actual post. (Via a weblink would be better as it's not just forum readers who will potentially see it). I would provide quality girls at a good price and then I would expect good ARs.
If I had low quality girls and was not offering good value then I would rely on spamming to get a constant stream of first timers to my shop.
So if a shop had high quality girls and offered good value it doesn't make sense to spam, it won't increase business, it is actually bad for business because you will annoy people.
Licker
13-03-2013, 08:07 PM
It may be an effective way for shops to advertise, but lets say there are 5 more shops doing this, the whole AR section would soon be full of NOTHING and eventually the regulars will take their posts else where, and the guests will have nothing to read.
Bro PhoBot,
I agree, but...
What do you mean by "eventually"?
I have already seen a decline in the number of AR's compared to year ago.
wilisno
13-03-2013, 08:18 PM
If I had low quality girls and was not offering good value then I would rely on spamming to get a constant stream of first timers to my shop.
So if a shop had high quality girls and offered good value it doesn't make sense to spam, it won't increase business, it is actually bad for business because you will annoy people.
That's not the case, as simple as that !
All the bumped threads are of girls that are currently most famous, well known on quality and service, so this theory doesn't work. The fact is, you might have read ten good reports and have ten good girls in mind for your next punt, there's a good chance that the first name that comes into your mind at the right time will get the booking, the right time is the time when you're horny and want to punt !
Those who complain are mainly non-customers of those shops, that's why they ( those shop owners who like bumping threads ) don't care less If their business suffers because of this, I don't think they will continue doing so !
John_Matrix
13-03-2013, 08:23 PM
Simple solution..stop those that are bumping their threads from doing it. There is nothing wrong with advertising, when its over done it becomes a deterrence.
Those that are bumping already have established client's and there is no real need for it. Threads from the offending colours for me are skipped when I read here (which I enjoy).
Edit - just my opinion, might mean crap all!
wilisno
13-03-2013, 08:26 PM
Bro PhoBot,
I agree, but...
What do you mean by "eventually"?
I have already seen a decline in the number of AR's compared to year ago.
I'm not sure if this is true, I thought we have more reports than before.
If you talk about a decline in After Reports, it happens everywhere, as someone mentioned a month or so ago that's what happened at Auxxxreviews, and Sydney99 has gained an average of 100 users in peak hours since.
One more thing, the quality of reports have improved tremendously over the last 2 year, from factual stattistical reports to detailed and entertaining reports with feelings and we love to spend time reading, so this site is on the right track !
Beancounter
13-03-2013, 08:55 PM
Don't you think Admin has already done something ? Rememeber Yamada used to post 12-15 threads at any one time, several times a day ? Why do you think he's slowing down ? I think it's obvious that Admin has done something !
I don't know if you are taking the piss on this.. coz I don't think Yamada has slowed down.
It would be obvious if Admin said something on this thread and they haven't!
wilisno
13-03-2013, 09:13 PM
I don't know if you are taking the piss on this.. coz I don't think Yamada has slowed down.
It would be obvious if Admin said something on this thread and they haven't!
So you haven't been following this thread !
As I said earlier, Yamada used to post 10-15 threads at a time, several times a day, now down to 5-6 threads at a time, if this is not slowing down, what is ? Whether it's slowing down enough is another story !
And also, if you have been following the forum, you would have read one member said he knew for sure all shop owners have received a PM from Admin regarding this issue !
rooter
13-03-2013, 09:21 PM
The updated threads definitely slowed down for around a week.
But they are slowly getting back to previous levels.
The thing is as soon as one shop does it then the others do as well to keep up.
So the truce never holds.
I think we just have to get used to it happening
As I said earlier it's a cheap and effective way for the shops to reach new customers so of course they will keep on doing it.
We have to accept the fact that they are running a business and they use this forum as a means of promoting their business and reaching new customers.
jellyshots
13-03-2013, 09:30 PM
Some of us that used to write reports very regularly slowed down because of other punters making suggestions that they are fabricated or because of personal attacks. My after reports take me a lot of time so sometimes it's easier not to write them than cop the flack. What I do like is that one of my AR's of Tiffany SF has over 3500 views.
wilisno
13-03-2013, 09:48 PM
Some of us that used to write reports very regularly slowed down because of other punters making suggestions that they are fabricated or because of personal attacks. My after reports take me a lot of time so sometimes it's easier not to write them than cop the flack. What I do like is that one of my AR's of Tiffany SF has over 3500 views.
That's another problem the site Admin has to stamp out, the cynical comments and attacks against reviewers ! Usually those who complain don't write reports themselves !
Beancounter
13-03-2013, 10:18 PM
So you haven't been following this thread !
As I said earlier, Yamada used to post 10-15 threads at a time, several times a day, now down to 5-6 threads at a time, if this is not slowing down, what is ? Whether it's slowing down enough is another story !
And also, if you have been following the forum, you would have read one member said he knew for sure all shop owners have received a PM from Admin regarding this issue !
Not sure if you can count but I can see over 10 today by Yamada.
But hey I'm not here to pick on comments and if Admin has sent PM to shop owners, I am satisfied.
At least they are trying to take on board our feedback and tried to do something.
wilisno
13-03-2013, 10:23 PM
Not sure if you can count but I can see over 10 today by Yamada.
But hey I'm not here to pick on comments and if Admin has sent PM to shop owners, I am satisfied.
At least they are trying to take on board our feedback and tried to do something.
Not sure if you can understand text, did you understand what is meant by 10-15 at a time ? Several times a day ? Do a calculation, that would become 50-60 a day, not just over 10 !!!
Beancounter
13-03-2013, 11:19 PM
Not sure if you can understand text, did you understand what is meant by 10-15 at a time ? Several times a day ? Do a calculation, that would become 50-60 a day, not just over 10 !!!
So I should be grateful that it isn't 50-60 a day?! I think u missed the point of my post. If Admin tried to do something I am happy. I'm not saying what the shop owners are doing is bad as long as they follow the rules, just like we are supposed to.
wilisno
14-03-2013, 12:14 AM
So I should be grateful that it isn't 50-60 a day?! I think u missed the point of my post. If Admin tried to do something I am happy. I'm not saying what the shop owners are doing is bad as long as they follow the rules, just like we are supposed to.
You're the one who missed the point, I didn't quote your words, it was you who quoted my words in the first place !
I corrected you because you said Yamada hasn't slowed down which he has, and I also corrected you when you said Admin hasn't done anything which he also has. Whether you should be happy about that or not is not my concern.
Beancounter
14-03-2013, 12:27 AM
You're the one who missed the point, I didn't quote your words, it was you who quoted my words in the first place !
I corrected you because you said Yamada hasn't slowed down which he has, and I also corrected you when you said Admin hasn't done anything which he also has. Whether you should be happy about that or not is not my concern.
Don't feel the need to keep correcting me if it isn't ur concern then.
wilisno
14-03-2013, 12:28 AM
Don't feel the need to keep correcting me if it isn't ur concern then.
So don't quote other people's words if you don't want to be corrected !
Beancounter
14-03-2013, 12:56 AM
So don't quote other people's words if you don't want to be corrected !
So it's ok for u to nit-pick my words and quote it out of context. If I wanted to nit-pick and defend my comments I could but it wasn't what I was trying to get across. I was trying to be constructive!
Frankly u can continue to do so as u feel great pleasure in correcting people.
wilisno
14-03-2013, 01:07 AM
So it's ok for u to nit-pick my words and quote it out of context. If I wanted to nit-pick and defend my comments I could but it wasn't what I was trying to get across. I was trying to be constructive!
Frankly u can continue to do so as u feel great pleasure in correcting people.
You really have problem reading text, don't you ?
I didn't quote your words, I responded to your quoting my words, understand ?
Once again, don't quote other people's words if you don't want to be corrected !
Beancounter
14-03-2013, 01:10 AM
Why dont u go back and read where u quoted me! We'll see who has the problem.
wilisno
14-03-2013, 01:21 AM
Why dont u go back and read where u quoted me! We'll see who has the problem.
Exactly, see who has the problem !
I agreed with what you said by quoting you at 4:36, on a friendly term, until you said you doubt if I could count, which shows your unprovoked aggression ! So, don't expect me to keep quiet under attack !
Beancounter
14-03-2013, 01:38 AM
Unprovoked aggression? It really wasn't meant to be a form of attack.
Seriously no harm meant as I thought it was friendly banter.
I just wanted something constructive!
jellyshots
14-03-2013, 04:44 AM
Ok, so I wrote a fairly lengthy AR on a shop all of us punters have loved to hate in the past. To top it off, it's on a Cauc shop. It copped a little flack in the Private section. I'm going to copy it across to the public section to see what type of response and views it gets.
funkallnite
17-03-2013, 08:11 AM
This is test as my last 4 posts have been deleted so if this stays up more than a day then maybe ill be bothered to redo posts. What's going on - anyone else seeing their posts deleted? I assure you mine did not break any forum rules just summed up with a bit of humour the views of bros on this thread.
Annnd there goes another of my posts........
yamada
17-03-2013, 12:44 PM
OK, i keep 5-6 a day, i understand that.
recently i was busy and not much time for read this thread, if you hard to find your thread on general section, i will provide glasses for you^^
AR for new customer, we have Nice JAPANESE GIRL and we provide TOP SERVICE in Sydney. i want recommend to new clients^^
I try my product and i can review AR if you like but i am not punter at Syd99 forum. i can only help for cherry boys and another things.
we have many regular clients and have been busy for all season. some time we not take phone call and replay message, who might get problem with us,
but we not handle it, also no one can not talk about some ones business things, i think every one try best things for work task and company.
guys better talk about more funny ways~. shop information and AR and girls information thread are hard to fix it for all shop. if i put one thread, other shop put another one,
i try to keep fair play, yamada is yamada. should i fuck with my product and create sub ID? I do not make SUB ID.
i would like to be Free, i have understanding what i want to do and what i want to say. i enjoy my self every where^^ so i do not make sub ID on forum.
i do not say anything about your comment, but if i get nice one, i will tell you on general talk section^^
slarty
17-03-2013, 02:45 PM
This is test as my last 4 posts have been deleted so if this stays up more than a day then maybe ill be bothered to redo posts. What's going on - anyone else seeing their posts deleted? I assure you mine did not break any forum rules just summed up with a bit of humour the views of bros on this thread.
I had a post deleted, not in this thread though. It was a couple of weeks ago in a thread calling someone a troll. Made it look like the views of all posters in that thread were unanimous (apart from the alleged troll of course :))- which wasn't the case.
jellyshots
17-03-2013, 04:26 PM
Yeah, I've had some posts deleted. Some were my reports on Sally and Crystal from Styles. It was actually Styles admin accidentally deleting them so I stopped writing AR's on ther girls. Another time it was because I had put some info in there when I was pissed off.
slarty
17-03-2013, 05:22 PM
Looks like another one has gone from this thread- I saw it in the 'new forum posts' on the front page but when I clicked on it, it wasn't there in the post list on the thread. I guess its a reminder that an internet forum is not a democracy :)
Sextus
17-03-2013, 06:00 PM
OK, i keep 5-6 a day, i understand that.
recently i was busy and not much time for read this thread, if you hard to find your thread on general section, i will provide glasses for you^^
AR for new customer, we have Nice JAPANESE GIRL and we provide TOP SERVICE in Sydney. i want recommend to new clients^^
I try my product and i can review AR if you like but i am not punter at Syd99 forum. i can only help for cherry boys and another things.
we have many regular clients and have been busy for all season. some time we not take phone call and replay message, who might get problem with us,
but we not handle it, also no one can not talk about some ones business things, i think every one try best things for work task and company.
guys better talk about more funny ways~. shop information and AR and girls information thread are hard to fix it for all shop. if i put one thread, other shop put another one,
i try to keep fair play, yamada is yamada. should i fuck with my product and create sub ID? I do not make SUB ID.
i would like to be Free, i have understanding what i want to do and what i want to say. i enjoy my self every where^^ so i do not make sub ID on forum.
i do not say anything about your comment, but if i get nice one, i will tell you on general talk section^^
Yamada's posts are honest, funny and there is a lot of truth to them. (I've put in bold the comments I mean.)
Yamada - if you created a sub ID to review your own girls, I think we'd still know it was you writing them somehow. :D I'd love to read them though! :smile:
Wayne
17-03-2013, 08:12 PM
Looks like another one has gone from this thread- I saw it in the 'new forum posts' on the front page but when I clicked on it, it wasn't there in the post list on the thread. I guess its a reminder that an internet forum is not a democracy :)
That was probably mine. Seems like I am not allowed to post anymore. See how long this post lasts.
Sextus
17-03-2013, 08:42 PM
Rooter and cunninglinguist, the posts you have made in this thread about marketing, and punter and shop motivations, have been professionally insightful, and, incidentally, true. Great stuff. Ahlungor's and Wilsno's posts on the subject show their sheer experience both with this forum and with the industry itself. (They are both closing in on 10,000 posts after all.)
Yamada makes me laugh, as I've said a few times already. I like a shop manager that posts editorial content too. And I like interpreting his Japlish! :D
Beancounter
17-03-2013, 09:07 PM
Yamada just so there isn't any misunderstanding I did not mean to single you out. I have a lot of respect for you with your ability to manage your business and girls and the wealth of knowledge u possess.
I understand where u say keep fair play. I think it isn't a level playing field to not bumping posts when other shops are doing it. Keep posting your funny comments :)
CunningLinguist
18-03-2013, 01:22 AM
Rooter and cunninglinguist, the posts you have made in this thread about marketing, and punter and shop motivations, have been professionally insightful, and, incidentally, true.:D
Thanks Sextus!
funkallnite
19-03-2013, 11:39 PM
Looks like another one has gone from this thread- I saw it in the 'new forum posts' on the front page but when I clicked on it, it wasn't there in the post list on the thread. I guess its a reminder that an internet forum is not a democracy :)
True that brother slarty Ain't no democracy round these here parts!
Ah well seems a few of us have had texts deleted for harmless enough contributions - no biggie I guess just makes me a little less bothered to contribute as when I do I have to be careful not to offend a host of interests. Sad really.
Anyway one thing I will say please fellow punters - don't encourage yamade to post more or we might as well all shut up shop if u know what I mean lol. Even if u find him funny.
slarty
20-03-2013, 06:11 AM
True that brother slarty Ain't no democracy round these here parts!
Ah well seems a few of us have had texts deleted for harmless enough contributions - no biggie I guess just makes me a little less bothered to contribute as when I do I have to be careful not to offend a host of interests. Sad really.
Anyway one thing I will say please fellow punters - don't encourage yamade to post more or we might as well all shut up shop if u know what I mean lol. Even if u find him funny.
It's not surprising given forum rule no 1. Rules 2 and 3 are enforced occasionally, perhaps with rule no 1 in mind :) Something to take into account while posting here. Agree it can put you off contributing in some threads.
AHLUNGOR
20-03-2013, 08:02 AM
I guess everyone is entitled to his opinions, for a free for all forum, as long as the post is done in good language, with respect and not intended to offence or irritate I really think there should be No censorship!
Just watch the Labour government is gonna have eggs on their face with the Media law legislation!
We all use PC at work or at home, every morning when you open your Outlook inbox what do you get, lots of spams and a few genuine emails, you must have get used to them by now.
You won't complain any more about all the "bank " emails asking you to verify all your personal banking details, nor would you bother to opening anything from the "tax" department or the Nigerian Government or the CIA from Russia !
You don't like them but they keep coming, so you deal with them, same way we can all deal with whatever we don't want to read and reply to in this forum!
I am fine with it
Just my two cents
Cheers
slarty
20-03-2013, 11:56 PM
Yes I'm sure the people sending the banks phishing emails aren't annoyed by their own spam! :) and I wasn't talking about spam specifically anyway. I think funkallnite summed it up pretty well. No big deal but inclined not to contribute to some threads in case of treading on toes.
Max Impact
21-03-2013, 09:18 PM
Faaarrk, its worse then ever tonight and Yamady is a little fish this time!
Maybe some Shop Owners took a line or two today?
Isn't that the shop that made a big whoohar about not doing it and them being the good guys who listen to their customers?
AHLUNGOR
27-03-2013, 09:10 AM
Faaarrk, its worse then ever tonight and Yamady is a little fish this time!
May be Yamada san hasn't woken up yet, right now, there is only 1 thread on the front page of general talk is from TMC !! He is being out numbered by 10 to 1 as the other agency has 10 !! SIR !!
Cheers
:cool2:
Max Impact
27-03-2013, 11:17 AM
I think Yamady's new girlfriend is taking up a lot of his time
jellyshots
27-03-2013, 11:24 AM
Jeez don't make out like you miss the spam, otherwise when he does get around to it, he'll be 3 times as bad!
rooter
27-03-2013, 11:39 AM
PUSSY! PUSSY! PUSSY!
NEW PRODUCT COMING SOON !!
Go on admit it SIRS ... you are hanging out for a fix of Yamadas posts ;)
This is just a hit of methadone to keep you going until you get the real thing !
Sextus
27-03-2013, 12:36 PM
A free for all forum, as long as the post is done in good language, with respect and not intended to ...irritate I really think there should be No censorship!
Ahlungor, a little bit of light satire of other forum members is ok don't you think? "Irritate" sets the bar too low.
I know I am ripe for satire myself, but no-one cares enough about me to even bother.. sniff :cry:
I mean, to name names, I may sometimes rib Mr Rooster a bit. But he's such a placid, even tempered, good humoured optimistic kind of guy that he never falls for it, and I've lost count of the number of times he's said he isn't going to argue with you Sextus.
Me and Wilisno however, just cannot resist tit for tatitng - we are last word kind of guys to the max.
So while Mr Rooster, once he quits this plane of existence, will no doubt ascend to a higher one, Wilisno and I are no doubt headed for an eternal cycle of friggin' reincarnation until we finally learn better.
Licker
27-03-2013, 07:06 PM
I know I am ripe for satire myself, but no-one cares enough about me to even bother.. sniff :cry:
I care mate!
If you want I can shoot at you anytime. You've provided plenty of material :)
Just say the word and I'll let it rip. :burn:
CunningLinguist
09-05-2013, 09:39 PM
An update, right now page 1 of the General Talk thread has 16 punter threads and 24 shop bumped threads, so %60 shop threads!
Rocket Man
09-05-2013, 10:42 PM
I see you trawl thru old threads CL. It's your MO- I like it!
CunningLinguist
09-05-2013, 10:50 PM
I see you trawl thru old threads CL. It's your MO- I like it!
I finished reading all the old GT threads a while back now.
I was subscribed to this thread and thought about it when I realised it was getting hard to find real GT threads amongst the noise.
Max Impact
09-05-2013, 11:42 PM
There's a shot load of noise! Yeh! Autocorrect fixed shit to shot! Oh yeah!
Licker
10-05-2013, 08:56 AM
There's a shot load of noise! Yeh! Autocorrect fixed shit to shot! Oh yeah!
Yeah, auto correct is clever, but not clever enough.
It should have corrected the whole sentence to...
There I was and shot a load of cum right into her ear.
CunningLinguist
10-05-2013, 10:06 AM
Yeah, auto correct is clever, but not clever enough.
It should have corrected the whole sentence to...
There I was and shot a load of cum right into her ear.
New acronym, CIE!
CunningLinguist
12-05-2013, 11:29 PM
Right now it is about %50 shop bumped threads in the GT section first page ...
Whatever happened to the guidelines from admin to the shops about keeping this noise down ...
oinkonk
13-05-2013, 05:46 PM
yep. ridiculous
Agreed.
(See how long this post takes to get deleted like all my others.....)
jellyshots
13-05-2013, 11:34 PM
I dunno but I've managed to bump quite a few of the advertisers off the front page by just being chatty.
wilisno
13-05-2013, 11:35 PM
I dunno but I've managed to bump quite a few of the advertisers off the front page by just being chatty.
Until Bomb comes back ! :miao:
CunningLinguist
13-05-2013, 11:49 PM
Well the post dinner chattiness has reduced the numbers to 29% GT front page posts being shop bumpers!
Enjoy it while it lasts...
jellyshots
13-05-2013, 11:53 PM
Until Bomb comes back ! :miao:
LOL, I don't think he understands the concept of...
"Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results" - Narcotics Anonymous (or Albert Einstein, depending on the source).
He keeps repeating the same tired arguments and getting banned.
Bomb!
14-05-2013, 01:35 AM
I call that being consistent.
Good to see you back - how are things going on at the fantasy land?
Bomb!
14-05-2013, 01:37 AM
Until Bomb comes back ! :miao:
Wrong again, as usual. I never left :miao:
Max Impact
14-05-2013, 06:57 AM
Bomb! Got banned just like Bomb.
jellyshots
14-05-2013, 08:08 AM
Bahahaha! I rest my case...
jellyshots
14-05-2013, 09:09 AM
So after looking at the forum this morning - Operation Wall of Jellyshots seems to have worked...
hahaha. a wall of jelly? don't think that's very hard hitting ;P
welcome back.
jellyshots
14-05-2013, 04:35 PM
hahaha. a wall of jelly? don't think that's very hard hitting ;P
welcome back.
Yes, a wall of KY Jelly. Where all of the spam just slides off...
Max Impact
16-05-2013, 12:03 AM
Oh JellyShots! You can't take a night off!!
Gucci2012
16-05-2013, 06:34 AM
Bomb! Got banned just like Bomb.
Next reincarnation may be Bmob with an exclamation point I.e Bmob! Or exclamation to the front !Bomb. So many possibilities B@mb, B0mb, B@mb!, B0mb!
But they all seem to end up in the same predicament.... banned, banned!, b4nned, b4nned!, bann3d, bann3d!, b4nn3d, b4nn3d!, banned2.0, banned2.0!.
jellyshots
17-05-2013, 12:03 AM
Oh JellyShots! You can't take a night off!!
:grimace: Yes, the advertisers just went nuts again when I did...
Next reincarnation may be Bmob with an exclamation point I.e Bmob! Or exclamation to the front !Bomb. So many possibilities B@mb, B0mb, B@mb!, B0mb!
But they all seem to end up in the same predicament.... banned, banned!, b4nned, b4nned!, bann3d, bann3d!, b4nn3d, b4nn3d!, banned2.0, banned2.0!.
Not to mention all of the other accounts... Maybe he should start using the banned ones for a bit of a laugh.
CunningLinguist
25-01-2014, 10:51 AM
.................................
Gucci2012
25-01-2014, 11:47 AM
Next reincarnation may be Bmob with an exclamation point I.e Bmob! Or exclamation to the front !Bomb. So many possibilities B@mb, B0mb, B@mb!, B0mb!
But they all seem to end up in the same predicament.... banned, banned!, b4nned, b4nned!, bann3d, bann3d!, b4nn3d, b4nn3d!, banned2.0, banned2.0!.
Monkeybomb, Son of monkeybomb, Richard le Bomb, the bomb guy, quality bombs......
Max Impact
25-01-2014, 01:29 PM
Nothing changed, but maybe something will this time.
wilisno
25-01-2014, 01:38 PM
Monkeybomb, Son of monkeybomb, Richard le Bomb, the bomb guy, quality bombs......
Haha ! Quality Bomb sounds nice ! Does it mean more lethal or less lethal ? ;) ;) ;)
AHLUNGOR
28-01-2014, 01:33 AM
If the advertisers only bring up threads of those on roster, and only one thread per girl instead of 3-4 threads for every girl, basically all the reports for the same girl, that would clear up a lot of space !
It's time to relive brother Wil 's wise words.
I'll be happy with that !
Cheers
It's time to relive brother Wil 's wise words.
I'll be happy with that !
Cheers
Just don't forgot it was you that started the spamming for after report and general talk threads with rosters, fake photos, biased descriptions and over hyped reviews!
If and when rules are set don't you dare get back to your spamming!
CunningLinguist
19-09-2014, 08:50 AM
This is being discussed again here:
http://forum.aus99.com/showthread.php?44060-Forum-spam-getting-out-of-hand-again
TMC (free cage girl)
19-09-2014, 01:03 PM
The Tiger got shoot from other premium member, 12142
ban ban ban!!
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