Optimal Punting Strategy

Punting seems to be a problem that can be solved through machine learning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement_learning

1. There are rewards - a good punt (positive) a bad punt (negative) and certain services provided can be quantified. Every agent has a slightly different value function
2. There are uncertainties around a girl's mood and availability, and which shop
3. You can choose to share your information. You can give false information. You can choose to update your priors with information on this forum - you need to decide if other agents are giving false information.
4. Your strategy impacts other agent's strategies and vice versa
5. There are Constraints to work with: money, location, time of the day etc.

Any machine learning experts on the forum to give this problem a go?

What did I just read?

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Originally Posted by chariot

In terms of computing, again there will be major changes.
Remember 20 years ago, we didn't have widespread smartphone availability - people were punting on Nokia's or landlines. Wechat and dating apps weren't even an idea

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Everyone will have an affordable AI and robotic driven sex doll at home.

You could control her accent e.g French, Italian or Scottish, adjust the softness, temperature and wetness of her lips and between the legs, size of her boobs, colour of her eyes, the vibrating beat and tightness in her private part, the moan you like her to emit.

Every few years we should be able to save enough punting money to change a new car.

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So reinforcement learning is a machine learning method based on rewarding desired behaviors and/or punishing undesired ones.

Here's an algorithm for the AI
- tip well and you'll be rewarded
- If the service is fucked then no return business.

Perhaps the shops should consider throwing AI, ML, DML, Chat bots etc at their rostering and booking systems. There's a thread as long as a roll of toilet paper detailing the shortcomings.

As for punter reviews, I can tell you there's a whole lot of fucking augmented reality and mixed reality going on...

In the future it will be law for wives, partners and other gold diggers to attend mandatory sex n porn refresher courses.

very interesting responses, and yet no optimal strategy.
A "greedy algorithm" by making locally optimal WL selection is probably not a bad start.
Then a bit of exploration, which comes at some cost.

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Originally Posted by woodland

very interesting responses, and yet no optimal strategy.
A "greedy algorithm" by making locally optimal WL selection is probably not a bad start.
Then a bit of exploration, which comes at some cost.

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I see where you are going with this woodland....an interesting topic but a bit too sophisticated for some of the troglodytes (eg Warwick etc) that frequent this forum.

A punting app would be a good start, the tons of data collected could be ingested into a data lake (AWS or GCP) where data wranglers could work their magic and let ML algorithms and AI do it's thing. The issue would be privacy and PII. I'm sure you'll find some answers in the dark web (tor is your friend)

This blogger (see link) uses a simple phrase and with AI and AttnGAN creates impressive artwork.
https://benjaminbardou.artstation.com/projects/nQX0WE

Perhaps some shops could ditch photoshop and use AI (they might get more realistic results) - just a thought.

A great thought provoking post Woodland - keep up the good work!

I am thinking we first start with a dataset.

Name
Day of Week
Time of Day
Suburb
Massage Price
Duration
Extras Price Opening Offer
Extras Price Paid
Extras 1
Extras 2
Extras 3
Extras 4
Quality Rating


If we could extra the PunterPlanet dataset that could be a good start.

From here we start to get the attributes which might lead to the algorithm. I am sure you guys can think of other attributes which would assist in predicting the best punts.

It may turnout that some attributes do not influence a good outcome while others may be critical.



The reinforcement method would apply where we are training the girls aka providers. If you have a bad punt then the payment has to be lowered. If it a good punt then pay more. The reinforcement model falls down because punters will pay for poor service...which then reinforces that the poor outcome is what is being optimised and all the current problems arise.


We could start with one of those little iPads a reception, "How was your visit today?" A new punter arriving and seeing the previous 10 punters left sad faces would avoid. A punter arriving with 15 green happy faces gets ready for a hot time. PS, this is totally corruptible

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Originally Posted by chariot

This thread I'd great, it acknowledges the shortcomings in the industry that we all tolerate. Punting is called punting due to the shortcomings
We will have AI soon that drives our cars for us in the next 10 years, so will be great to see what technology can do in the sex industry. We will see a lot of false starts until progress begins

It has taken forever already but the most obvious great app will be the conversation translator

Forget Google translate

Your phone will soon act like a traditional translator. You put your phone on the table, and without touching your phone, you can have a 10 minute conversation, with the phone translating your sentences, then hers. Give it 5 years

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Personally the strategy should be to be polite, kind and smiling.
My humble opinion.

Some great ideas and POVs from the lads. Rest assured that SexTech (sex and technology) is evolving quite rapidly. In time you'll be hearing new buzz words and tech gadgets hitting the market.

- SexTech
- Digisexuals
- Virtual endings
- Punting apps with AI (and not like tinder, grinder, WeChat etc)
- Sex wearables eg smart condoms, smart dildos, smart toy vaginas, sex toys and apps that measure the strength and rigidity of an erection, the duration and quality of an orgasm, the wetness, strength of a squirt, how much tooth was used in a blow job etc etc
- Virtual STI/STDs (sextech with malware)
- Apps with built-in AI that'll translate for guys what chicks really mean in their text messages
- SQ will be added to IQ, EQ, CQ
- Pornoshop to replace photoshop

If the imagination is there, and the technology is available to support it, then it can become a reality fairly quickly.

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Originally Posted by StartedAgain

Semen teleporting technology and STI STD nano bots.

Bare back sex is the norm, semen gets teleported out of the vag after cumming

Nanobots to instant kill off any std/stis

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Your idea is not far fetched. Nanomedicine and nanotechnology was used to develop the recent mRNA vaccines etc. There's a whole bunch of stuff being developed using nanotech to treat cancers etc. ie Nano is more precise in targeting cancerous cells than the traditional chemo-radiation methods. So using nanobots to kill off STD/STIs is possible, it's just a matter of developing, testing and producing the product.

As for the teleporting idea, apparently there's a WL using a virtual teleportation device - see here

Doesn’t capitalism solve this problem already? If the shop isn’t on some efficient frontier, it won’t get enough customers and will go out of business.

Punting is an activity where search cost is high.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_cost


and people have limited attention.
https://www.thebehavioralscientist.c...ited-attention

I am curious if there is any economists in the room to answer these questions and come up with an optimal strategy

What makes a robot and a human different is intuition. Robots are analytical things because they're programmed that way. I remember back when I studied IT and microcontroller programming we were told that machines are stupid, and their output are 100% based on our input.

Humans are intuitive because we are adaptive. The hungrier we are, the more we become creative and innovative. Sex from a purely reproductive origin has turned into a form of entertainment. We have now evolved to stick our junks in lubricated silicone when a female isn't available. Or use our hands while watching porn.

Punting should really be based on the punter's demand and whether the shop can supply. For example I see that Japanese girls are high up the hierarchy of Asian girls, and that's why there's many shops either faking the nationality of their girls or claiming that they're mixed between Japanese and something else. This can somehow provide a "placebo effect" on punters who don't know how to differentiate between Asians but it is definitely disappointing for those who can and are specifically looking for Japanese girls for specific reasons.

I reckon punters have evolved from different generations. Back then in RnTs you don't get to choose your masseuse, you pay and wait in the room and get introduced to a random girl. But recently it's becoming more like a brothel where punters can demand to see the girls first before paying for the service. Also the booking service as well has been adopted by many RnTs which was non-existent a couple of years back.

The paragraph I wrote above pretty much sums up how punters have made their punting effective over time. They weed out the red flags of certain shops and stick to those that delivers. If you really want to be analytical about punting, trust me whatever strategy you come up with will get outdated very fast. This is a niche market where everything is evolving and girls are even offering services unheard of back in the days.

This is a bad idea. You're going to remove a big portion of the fun out of punting.

I consider the hunting and discovery of my next perfect WG all part of the pleasure of punting. I enjoy reading an AR about a great girl, it gets my blood pumping. I like to go to the shop website and ogle at the photos, that gets me going too.

The knowledge of what's to come gets me all excited for my punt, and then it happens.