Sensational Transformational Budget from Joe Hockey, well done Joe........

You have abandoned yourself to hysterical rhetoric. And, may I say, you begin to lose yourself in the detail of things.
Abbott is his own man, he does a lot of good work with indigenous/aboriginal people, he likes sports, he's a tough guy
by most standards, he believes in: the family, traditional values, small government (not the nanny state) and he wants to
promote wealth creation by assisting business, and discourage benefit dependency by reducing entitlements. He knows
what direction Australia is heading in the Asian century/region, both in economic and cultural terms, and he's doing something
about it. That's his job as prime minister - to lead Australia out of harms way.

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Originally Posted by uglyphil

This is shown most clearly in the new Higher Education plans, where people who are intelligent, but poor, will miss out University places, while if you are a rich dumbass you can simply buy your degree :(

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I would like to know how a rich dumbass can "buy" a degree ??

Why don't you try to buy a Commerce Degree at the Sydney University !! It only needs an UAI of 95 to get in ! And the same degree at UNSW needs an UAI of 96.7!

Try to buy your way through that !!


Oh , I forgot there are some out of town colleges where the cut off is only 50, so may be you can "buy" a degree in those places!!

But please don't insult our top institutions that any dumass can "buy" a degree !!

Cheers

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Originally Posted by waynekerr

I don't think I'll let ol' Tone off the hook just yet, from what I've read this affair stinks like a $10
whorehouse at low tide.

The scholarship was offered before the lass was enrolled and was not available to any other student,
but this matter is less about his daughter, and more about himself.

I had almost finished writing a fairly lengthy post regarding this when I noticed the story in the
'mainstream' so I'll be quiet and see what comes of it. Will they have the balls to run with it?

Be mindful of the burden the Liberal party's budget will place on families who want educated
children.

Unrestricted access to a proper education is a right, not a privilege.

I agree with your notion that “it is about ideology, pure and simple.” and “This is shown most
clearly in the new Higher Education plans, where people who are intelligent, but poor, will miss out
University places, while if you are a rich dumbass you can simply buy your degree.”

Without doubt this budget is a product of the Liberal's (let's not forget the Nats) fucked up ideology,
but in Abbott's case I don't believe it's ideology alone that drives him. His demonstrated lack of
empathy is indicative of psychosis.

WayneK.

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Just for AH ;)

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Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR

I would like to know how a rich dumbass can "buy" a degree ??

Why don't you try to buy a Commerce Degree at the Sydney University !! It only needs an UAI of 95 to get in ! And the same degree at UNSW needs an UAI of 96.7!

Try to buy your way through that !!


Oh , I forgot there are some out of town colleges where the cut off is only 50, so may be you can "buy" a degree in those places!!

But please don't insult our top institutions that any dumass can "buy" a degree !!

Cheers

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**sigh**

I never said you could buy your degree at this point in time, but that under the plans outlined in the budget you soon will be.

Joe even said in a post budget interview it would allow people who had not gotten the UAI needed to be able to get into a course. He said this was to make things "fairer" ...

Uh huh :|

Besides, how else do you think SG will ever get his degree for poetry? ;)

By the way, you should know that a UAI is not an indication of the difficulty of a course. It is actually more an indication of how popular the course is. As the more popular courses have a (obviously) higher number of candidates, the Unis can cull the selection process by increasing the UAI. This is why UAIs will often change (sometimes quite dramatically) if the popularity changes for some reason. Unis have a quota for each course, if they do not meet this candidature, miraculously the UAI will drop. This process will be undermined once fee paying is introduced, as it is in the US and elsewhere.

There are paid political party hacks popping up on forums everywhere these days. They generally
have the same trait: Not too smart, post unsubstantiated shit and can't be reasoned with.

WayneK.

The HECS / HELP system will remain in place so if students from economically disadvantaged backgrounds have the grades they can stil go to uni and pay the money back later. Of course these students will now be loaded up with a much greater level of debt and be required to start repaying the loan at a much lower salary threshold. Also the loan itself will attract more interest. Apparently academic scholarships will be made available to low income / high performing students but there won't be many of these comparatively speaking.

students from wealthy families with poor academic results will benefit most from these changes. So too Australias top tier universities who can now charge more for their degrees. Students from less affluent families with average to good academic grades lose out. Australia's 2nd and 3rd tier unis will lose status and may end up becoming more like those community college things they have in the USA

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Originally Posted by waynekerr

There are paid political party hacks popping up on forums everywhere these days. They generally
have the same trait: Not too smart, post unsubstantiated shit and can't be reasoned with.

WayneK.

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Sounds like a troll ...

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The HECS / HELP system will remain in place so if students from economically disadvantaged backgrounds have the grades they can stil go to uni and pay the money back later. Of course these students will now be loaded up with a much greater level of debt and be required to start repaying the loan at a much lower salary threshold. Also the loan itself will attract more interest. Apparently academic scholarships will be made available to low income / high performing students but there won't be many of these comparatively speaking.

students from wealthy families with poor academic results will benefit most from these changes. So too Australias top tier universities who can now charge more for their degrees. Students from less affluent families with average to good academic grades lose out. Australia's 2nd and 3rd tier unis will lose status and may end up becoming more like those community college things they have in the USA

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So we will migrate from a system based on merit to one based on money!
This may be good in the short term for some but does not sound good for the national interest ...

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Originally Posted by waynekerr

There are paid political party hacks popping up on forums everywhere these days. They generally
have the same trait: Not too smart, post unsubstantiated shit and can't be reasoned with.

WayneK.

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There are a couple on this thread

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So we will migrate from a system based on merit to one based on money!
This may be good in the short term for some but does not sound good for the national interest ...

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Exactly...

From: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-2...-power/5470764

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It is not because people are shocked that a politician has gone back on his word, but because in going back on his word, Abbott has reinforced the negative view that people had of him anyway, the one he was compensating for in making the promises in the first place.

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Many people have a very positive view of Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey, that's why they got elected with a big majority.
However, some in the media - especially the ABC - go out of their way to cultivate a "coalition gotchya" moment for their media circle.
The ABC have shown with their cultivation of recent asylum centre stories, and the Indonesia spying/espionage episode, that they are
traitors to Australia. The ABC attempts to create and cultivate problems for the nation rather than simply reporting them. The ABC agenda
is to undermine the government and Australia. And they do this with tax-payers money. The senior management should be sacked and charged
with malpractice at very best, and ultimately treason. The ABC needs to be completely overhauled and constituted to provide impartial coverage.

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Many people have a very positive view of Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey, that's why they got elected with a big majority.
However, some in the media - especially the ABC - go out of their way to cultivate a "coalition gotchya" moment for their media circle.
The ABC have shown with their cultivation of recent asylum centre stories, and the Indonesia spying/espionage episode, that they are
traitors to Australia. The ABC attempts to create and cultivate problems for the nation rather than simply reporting them. The ABC agenda
is to undermine the government and Australia. And they do this with tax-payers money. The senior management should be sacked and charged
with malpractice at very best, and ultimately treason. The ABC needs to be completely overhauled and constituted to provide impartial coverage.

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This paragraph is so good it's well worth repeating.....

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Originally Posted by SmilingGiraffe

Thi s paragraph is so good it's well worth repeating.....

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Yeah, it's been 9 hrs and no new reply !

But if you like to keep this thread active and alive， try not to quote your own post!

Why not talk about Frances and Bridget instead of father Tony ?

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Yeah, it's been 9 hrs and no new reply !

But if you like to keep this thread active and alive， try not to quote your own post!

Why not talk about Frances and Bridget instead of father Tony ?

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Reply to what ?

The for and against ratio is about 1 to 10 here already !

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Reply to what ?

The for and against ratio is about 1 to 10 here already !

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I think it was Jefferson who said..."one man with courage, is a majority." It's a good line and perhaps applicable on this thread.

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I think it was Jefferson who said..."one man with courage, is a majority." It's a good line and perhaps applicable on this thread.

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No problem ! Be your majority then ! :miao:

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No problem ! Be your majority then ! :miao:

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It is always my pleasure to uphold the light of truth within the dark of any storm.

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It is always my pleasure to uphold the light of truth within the dark of any storm.

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Yes, I know !

You can admire yourself all you want, that's all you can do anyway. I'm fine with it !

Seems to me Abott is used to getting off light from the press as the libs were not put under any scrutiny before he election, now he has a fools confidence with the budget and thoughthe could still get away with what he used to ...

Disregarding political persuasion, whether right-wing or left-wing, the quality of media reporting has declined significantly in
the last few years, because of the 24hr media cycle and social media. The mainstream media are like Orcas, hunting for a
"gotchya moment" from someone. When they get one, they put it on social media to get a response. Social media brings
all the dubious feigned outrage, or bleeding heart support, that mainstream media needs, and they report on the outrage/support.

In other words, the media is literally creating so-called news, simply because they desperately need something to say 24/7.
The insatiable rush for "news" has resulted in an almost total loss of inquisitive, investigative reporting or incisive commentary.
This is a very bad sign for any country with aspirations to legitimate democratic status.

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Seems to me Abott is used to getting off light from the press as the libs were not put under any scrutiny before he election, now he has a fools confidence with the budget and thoughthe could still get away with what he used to ...

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Yep ... but like Howard before him, he will learn that this is not the case. He is too arrogant to learn from past mistakes.

Tony Abbott's government came to power with a large majority and he spoke ad naseum about the need to reverse the budget deficit during the election campaign. So its not true to say he didn't have a mandate to take drastic action. Where he crossed the line, in my opinion, is the breaking of several very clear election promises. i won't vote for a party I can't trust.

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Tony Abbott's government came to power with a large majority and he spoke ad naseum about the need to reverse the budget deficit during the election campaign. So its not true to say he didn't have a mandate to take drastic action. Where he crossed the line, in my opinion, is the breaking of several very clear election promises. i won't vote for a party I can't trust.

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Maybe the election promises were made in "the heat of discussion".

http://www.smh.com.au/national/abbot...0517-v9dc.html

Australia is in trouble on various levels; including economic, cultural and security. These issues won't go away by having a
workshop and a committee and an inquiry. Or by "impartial" ABC reporting and whinging from the disenfranchised entitlement seekers.
Swift and decisive action is required to arrest Australia's decline, and to put in place the policies and structures that will protect the country
from the abyss that has been steadily creeping up in recent years. This government knows exactly what it's doing, and they also know that
the strong medicine will have a bitter taste for the whinging lefty vocalisers who have, both directly and indirectly, helped to bring Australia down.