Timeline for shops reopening

I think we will have to live with covid forever. The chances of eradicating it like polio is definitely not on the horizon.

I think important thing is to get the vaccination which will help to avoid serious scenarios where you need ICU. If the life threatening scenario is removed from it, then it will be kind of like flu. And hopefully down the line we will get a vaccine that actually kills/stops then spread.

We will bear the economic scars of these lockdowns for years to come. I think this breakout has proved "fortress Australia" not a legit solution.

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Originally Posted by Raffiz88

I think we will have to live with covid forever. The chances of eradicating it like polio is definitely not on the horizon.

I think important thing is to get the vaccination which will help to avoid serious scenarios where you need ICU. If the life threatening scenario is removed from it, then it will be kind of like flu. And hopefully down the line we will get a vaccine that actually kills/stops then spread.

We will bear the economic scars of these lockdowns for years to come. I think this breakout has proved "fortress Australia" not a legit solution.

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I don't think fortress Australia was ever a sustainable solution, just took this outbreak for people to realise that, some still don't!!!

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Originally Posted by MDPorto

First we will need to track and trace the in excess of >100 cases which still haven't been linked back to a known outbreak or cluster.

Next we will need to reach zero 'infectious while I'm the community' transmissions, and maintain a clean period of this for around 2-4 weeks.

Only then can we start to think about opening up.

If you look at the way that Taiwan has dealt with its most recent outbreak, NSW is on a similar path. Expect a minimum of another two months here. If we are lucky, we might get out of this in time for the October long weekend.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.smh...26-p58cyc.html

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You can not compare to Taiwan as they have at the moment very little access to vaccine.

• In NSW we see the lockdown slowing but not reducing the delta strain
• They say vaccination is the way out
• On target to reach 80% vaccination by December

So that means...

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Originally Posted by TheMaestro

I don't think fortress Australia was ever a sustainable solution, just took this outbreak for people to realise that, some still don't!!!

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The hotel quarantine system was the one unsustainable. It could be good for a while then the staff or the authorities got complacent and outbreak happened ! Or entering some new personnel who are either untrained or unvaccinated!

We should built more purpose built facilities in the NT or outside the major city centres and use that exclusively for returning Aussie from overseas. Quarantine in CBD hotels will fail in the long run.

Yes, 70-80% population vaccinated is the target and the silver bullet, how long before we get there is the billion dollar question !

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Originally Posted by MisterWhippy

• In NSW we see the lockdown slowing but not reducing the delta strain
• They say vaccination is the way out
• On target to reach 80% vaccination by December

So that means...

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I conclude lockdown until Christmas based on your geo-sexual analysis bro MisterWhippy! Shops to open February 2022 with QR Check-in and masks at all times. No DFK, blowjobs to be given by hole's in the mask to allow access. All shops will have each room live streamed to the health department to ensure compliance!!!

Also the local cop shop will have access to the streams, don't want them feeling left out!

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Originally Posted by TheMaestro

I don't think fortress Australia was ever a sustainable solution, just took this outbreak for people to realise that, some still don't!!!

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Fortress Australia is a brilliant solution.
Closing the borders way back in Feb/March last year was a brilliant move.
If the rest of the world did the same thing this pandemic would have been tiny, in fact it wouldn't even be a pandemic, and would be pretty much over by now.
Fortress Australia meant that the virus never really had a chance to enter the country on a large enough scale to create a full blown pandemic here.
If we didn't close the borders we would be like the rest of the World with tens of thousands of deaths and hundreds of thousands of infections consistently for the last 18 months and still going strong. And the economy would be fucked up, instead of the current situation where the economy is doing better than ever with record low unemployment.
The government fucked up by not closing the borders tight enough and having a leaky quarantine system.
And the government fucked up by stuffing up the vaccination program.
Sure we have a bit of an outbreak now due to poor quarantine and not enough vaccination, but closed borders means it is a relatively small outbreak compared to other countries and will be brought under control.
Borders must remain closed and quarantine needs to be tightened up and vaccination needs to be turbo charged.
We are still by far the safest country in the World to be in right now thanks to the closed borders policy.

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Originally Posted by MisterWhippy

• In NSW we see the lockdown slowing but not reducing the delta strain
• They say vaccination is the way out
• On target to reach 80% vaccination by December

So that means...

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I said a month ago that knock and RNT shops wouldn't open until the new year at least and everybody laughed at me....

Closed borders should have meant fully closed borders. So that would have meant no politicians travelling overseas for meetings, no sporting teams coming and going and no expats returning.

That would be a truly closed border and we all know that was never going to happen.

As has been previously mentioned the biggest problem has been the leaky quarantine system.

In hindsight, what should have been done was build special purpose quarantine centres in remote areas where returning travellers and staff have no contact with the general population. Locking up people in hotels in the middle of cities was a desperate move because there was no other alternative.

All we can do now is get the majority of the population vaccinated and plan on follow up booster shots because this virus is here to stay. Much like the common flu but just a lot more deadly in susceptible people.

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Originally Posted by rooter

Fortress Australia is a brilliant solution.
Closing the borders way back in Feb/March last year was a brilliant move.
If the rest of the world did the same thing this pandemic would have been tiny, in fact it wouldn't even be a pandemic, and would be pretty much over by now.
Fortress Australia meant that the virus never really had a chance to enter the country on a large enough scale to create a full blown pandemic here.
If we didn't close the borders we would be like the rest of the World with tens of thousands of deaths and hundreds of thousands of infections consistently for the last 18 months and still going strong. And the economy would be fucked up, instead of the current situation where the economy is doing better than ever with record low unemployment.
The government fucked up by not closing the borders tight enough and having a leaky quarantine system.
And the government fucked up by stuffing up the vaccination program.
Sure we have a bit of an outbreak now due to poor quarantine and not enough vaccination, but closed borders means it is a relatively small outbreak compared to other countries and will be brought under control.
Borders must remain closed and quarantine needs to be tightened up and vaccination needs to be turbo charged.
We are still by far the safest country in the World to be in right now thanks to the closed borders policy.

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The economy going better than ever????can I have some of what you are smoking bro we are going to be 1 trillion in debt by Christmas do you think all this money that has been blown in the last 2 years doesn't have to be paid back or scomo is just going to print some more

https://youtu.be/X_0zFEtPbiA

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Originally Posted by rooter

Fortress Australia is a brilliant solution.
Closing the borders way back in Feb/March last year was a brilliant move.
If the rest of the world did the same thing this pandemic would have been tiny, in fact it wouldn't even be a pandemic, and would be pretty much over by now.
Fortress Australia meant that the virus never really had a chance to enter the country on a large enough scale to create a full blown pandemic here.
If we didn't close the borders we would be like the rest of the World with tens of thousands of deaths and hundreds of thousands of infections consistently for the last 18 months and still going strong. And the economy would be fucked up, instead of the current situation where the economy is doing better than ever with record low unemployment.
The government fucked up by not closing the borders tight enough and having a leaky quarantine system.
And the government fucked up by stuffing up the vaccination program.
Sure we have a bit of an outbreak now due to poor quarantine and not enough vaccination, but closed borders means it is a relatively small outbreak compared to other countries and will be brought under control.
Borders must remain closed and quarantine needs to be tightened up and vaccination needs to be turbo charged.
We are still by far the safest country in the World to be in right now thanks to the closed borders policy.

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Originally Posted by DireStraits

https://youtu.be/X_0zFEtPbiA

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Excellent summary. 100% agree.

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Originally Posted by rooter

Excellent summary. 100% agree.

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So, in polls Scomo is the preferred PM, then No Idea, then Each Way Albo. What do you suggest we do?

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Originally Posted by Vader

So, in polls Scomo is the preferred PM, then No Idea, then Each Way Albo. What do you suggest we do?

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If we have each way Albo at least he bet each way on the vax Az and Pfizer then we don't have issue with Pfizer.

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Originally Posted by Climax598

If we have each way Albo at least he bet each way on the vax Az and Pfizer then we don't have issue with Pfizer.

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He wouldn't have got Pfizer much earlier as the yanks took so much of it as Trump gave them so much development money. The biggest problem was the media doing a hatchet job on AZ

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Originally Posted by Climax598

If we have each way Albo at least he bet each way on the vax Az and Pfizer then we don't have issue with Pfizer.

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Or each way Albo may have done 50% vaccine and 50% no vaccine......

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Originally Posted by Vader

He wouldn't have got Pfizer much earlier as the yanks took so much of it as Trump gave them so much development money. The biggest problem was the media doing a hatchet job on AZ

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Problem with ScoMo was he bet the house only on one vaccine maybe cos of the lucrative deal involving manufacturing. But if we had spread our bets like Albo. We would have got our Pfizer like all the other EU countries. Lots of EU countries got their Pfizer and Moderna supplies cos they didn't just bet on one horse. These Pharma have multiple factories supplying the world, so it's a purely a first come first serve deal and we were last.

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Originally Posted by Vader

Or each way Albo may have done 50% vaccine and 50% no vaccine......

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That scomo only bet on one horse. Why he only buy 10 millions dose not 20 millions or 30 millions dose. The answer is he try to save money because Pfizer cost 5 time more than AZ. It was report Pfizer cost $800 millions.

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Originally Posted by Climax598

That scomo only bet on one horse. Why he only buy 10 millions dose not 20 millions or 30 millions dose. The answer is he try to save money because Pfizer cost 5 time more than AZ. It was report Pfizer cost $800 millions.

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Plus AZ could be made in Oz so supply wouldn't be an issue. Hindsight is very easy. Albo can say anything he wants (like anyone in opposition) but we will never know actually What he would have done if he was PM. Anyway there is nothing wrong with AZ apart from the media ripping it apart

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Originally Posted by Vader

Plus AZ could be made in Oz so supply wouldn't be an issue. Hindsight is very easy. Albo can say anything he wants (like anyone in opposition) but we will never know actually What he would have done if he was PM. Anyway there is nothing wrong with AZ apart from the media ripping it apart

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I have Pfizer what you have. Az is like Russian roulette.