Would you buy a share in a RnT massage business?

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Originally Posted by andrewv

To flip the question over, what would your dream RnT shop be like, when compared to all the ones you’ve been too this far? What are the 2 or 3 issues you miss. Is it lack of quality showers in every room, more privacy, real photos of actual girls, good booking systems, ….. ???

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The usual problems with showers in many RnT/brothels - broken shower heads, mouldy grout, scummy shower screens and lack of anti-slip mats. Shops should have a handyman that comes over after shop operating hours to assess water supply issues, broken beds/tables and lighting or AC issues, and proper professional cleaners to clean before opening time. Without skilled handymans and cleaners most shops look like a cheap motel. I've actually seen a brothel infested with cockroaches once lol

Actual photos of girls with faces & tattoos/birthmarks edited out is helpful but no beautifying/slimming Adobe effects. Doesn't matter if a girl is size 10, if punters like big girls and her work contributes to profits then it's better to use her actual photo than bait customers into thinking they're getting a slim girl.

Computerized booking systems should be the way to go these days. Some shops are still relying on daily hand drawn ledger books which is inefficient. You can use an iPad with an app that shows the columns for the girls with all their bookings for the day - each timeslots booked will have the customer's number or WeChat ID. To make it even more professional, if the customer booked a day or several hours in advanced you can make the effort to send out booking reminders an hour before.

If you're talking privacy in terms of waiting rooms this is a great bonus to have. If the venue have limited rooms then I suggest getting one of those foldable partitioning things that customers can sit behind until a room and the girl is ready.

Additional stuff I think would make an RnT look great - USB powered digital clocks (can get cheaply in Kmart, Temu, AliExpress etc) in every room so that customers know they aren't cheated of their time. And instead of relying on dimmable ceiling lights that doesn't work 90% of the time, just get a dimmable stand light from Kmart/IKEA.

Many RnT's like installing ceiling speakers that loops the same music from a single playlist, I don't think this is necessary as it is a waste of money. If the girls want to set the mood then they should bring their own BT speakers and play whatever songs they want to cover the loud FOAM lol

And probably look at investing in allergy-free massage oils. One ML in the past used body lotion as massage oil because she's allergic to shop oil and the shop doesn't have showers, I actually liked the feeling of being massaged with lotion instead as I can go about my day without having to quickly go home and shower.

Message originally posted by Nautilus on 13-02-2024 at 08:55 PM

Cash cows make money only when someone is managing it right. If they're not properly managed the business can go downhill.

The two table massage shop valued at $100K isn't unique to the massage industry. There are other legitimate businesses dealing with industrial manufacturing that overvalued their actual worth and some dope bought in believing he can make high margins the first 12 months. One business I worked in selling industrial cleaning equipment, the previous owner sold to the new owner for $4mil but the actual business is actually only worth $1mil. He struggled to make a profit and I left because I was the lowest paid "professional" there.

The defunct one on the "wrong side" of the station, any real reasons why it didn't make it with previous owner? I find that many RnT's make better money the more discreet they are unless it's in a dangerous area riddled by druggies. Hornsby142 as an example - it may not be as big as Ginza or N5M/42G but back in 2014-2018 I remember the place being really popular amongst locals in the north shore, so does Roseville Rose. Both are far from train stations, you need to walk at least 15 mins away. They were popular because of the quality of girls - it's a mix of young girls in their 20s up to MILFs in their early 50s but all had really great slim body. Never seen a chubby girl at all in the lineup. But these days the quality went downhill because of drug issues, especially in Hornsby, hence the reason why only old, chubby GILFs work there.

Like I said, the girls are short term contractors that can quit on a whim, so it's up to shops to make the girls happy by promoting them online. Running a business requires experience, if you're new in the business and don't know what to expect then it's better to keep your money and invest in gold bullions instead.

Some rules if I was opening a massage business

1. advertise well - social media: Instagram, Telegram, WeChat, Line, Kakao, as well as traditional media such as escorts and babes, and locanto
2. have clean showers
3. a receptionist that can use microsoft Excel to keep track of bookings
4. do a bit of basic statistics (market intelligence) on which type of guys go after which type of girls. keep track of customer preferences. Excel is enough for this.
5. reward and retain the high performing girls whilst fire the bottom 10% or put them on a performance plan
6. have a website that is updated with roster information
7. give girls an referral bonus if they bring in new girls
8. quarterly off-site for the girls - dinner & karaoke

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Originally Posted by BearOrigin

The usual problems with showers in many RnT/brothels - broken shower heads, mouldy grout, scummy shower screens and lack of anti-slip mats. Shops should have a handyman that comes over after shop operating hours to assess water supply issues, broken beds/tables and lighting or AC issues, and proper professional cleaners to clean before opening time. Without skilled handymans and cleaners most shops look like a cheap motel. I've actually seen a brothel infested with cockroaches once lol

Actual photos of girls with faces & tattoos/birthmarks edited out is helpful but no beautifying/slimming Adobe effects. Doesn't matter if a girl is size 10, if punters like big girls and her work contributes to profits then it's better to use her actual photo than bait customers into thinking they're getting a slim girl.

Computerized booking systems should be the way to go these days. Some shops are still relying on daily hand drawn ledger books which is inefficient. You can use an iPad with an app that shows the columns for the girls with all their bookings for the day - each timeslots booked will have the customer's number or WeChat ID. To make it even more professional, if the customer booked a day or several hours in advanced you can make the effort to send out booking reminders an hour before.

If you're talking privacy in terms of waiting rooms this is a great bonus to have. If the venue have limited rooms then I suggest getting one of those foldable partitioning things that customers can sit behind until a room and the girl is ready.

Additional stuff I think would make an RnT look great - USB powered digital clocks (can get cheaply in Kmart, Temu, AliExpress etc) in every room so that customers know they aren't cheated of their time. And instead of relying on dimmable ceiling lights that doesn't work 90% of the time, just get a dimmable stand light from Kmart/IKEA.

Many RnT's like installing ceiling speakers that loops the same music from a single playlist, I don't think this is necessary as it is a waste of money. If the girls want to set the mood then they should bring their own BT speakers and play whatever songs they want to cover the loud FOAM lol

And probably look at investing in allergy-free massage oils. One ML in the past used body lotion as massage oil because she's allergic to shop oil and the shop doesn't have showers, I actually liked the feeling of being massaged with lotion instead as I can go about my day without having to quickly go home and shower.

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I agree with your comments. Back in the 1990s and early 2000s Upmarket Bathhouse in Crows Nest ticked most of the boxes. It had large rooms, each with a shower and spa. Each room had a shelf with lots of fresh and clean white towels. Much earlier (early 1990s) each room had a ghetto blaster and the girls brought their own music to the room. And the best feature was they had 2 or 3 waiting rooms so customers never met each other when moving around (arriving and leaving). The punters were taken to a waiting room and then the girls came and introduced themselves.

I don't go there anymore because the price list became far too high, and in the last 10 odd years, it became more of a FS than RnT shop. The business is focused on non-Asian girls.

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Originally Posted by woodland

Some rules if I was opening a massage business

1. advertise well - social media: Instagram, Telegram, WeChat, Line, Kakao, as well as traditional media such as escorts and babes, and locanto
2. have clean showers
3. a receptionist that can use microsoft Excel to keep track of bookings
4. do a bit of basic statistics (market intelligence) on which type of guys go after which type of girls. keep track of customer preferences. Excel is enough for this.
5. reward and retain the high performing girls whilst fire the bottom 10% or put them on a performance plan
6. have a website that is updated with roster information
7. give girls an referral bonus if they bring in new girls
8. quarterly off-site for the girls - dinner & karaoke

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Yes... good ideas. Thanks.

One issue that was highlighted to me offline is the good old "security fee".

Let's say that certain men group together and ride motorcycles, go to businesses like cafes in Burwood [actual story], and "offer" their security services. The owners get two choices: to either say "yes" or have an accidental fire on the premises, if you get my drift.

So there is an expense item that is not usually talked about when running businesses like this.

P.S. Not only men who ride motorcycles but sometimes men who wear uniforms during their day jobs.

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Originally Posted by woodland

Some rules if I was opening a massage business

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As someone pointed out, this forum is a place where shops are already advertising and putting out daily rosters. Most local punters would've known about AUS99 even if they're just lurkers without signing up for an account. As long as people post ARs that doesn't sound like a hyped up load of BS and manages reader's expectations (leave out the part3/BBFS unless the shop ad specifically says she provides it to all) I reckon business will boom.

Clean showers and a working shower heads that doesn't spray on a 360° angle is important. Bunnings have an abundant supply of cheap shower heads that anyone can fit by following simple instructions, no plumber required. Choosing the cleaning company who can clean the showers properly is also important, if the cleaner doesn't scrub off soap scums and grout mould properly they should be replaced with another cleaning company. And they should also check and clean the AC filters.

Giving the highest performing girl an incentive or bonus reward is important. It doesn't make her feel like she's a number there. And taking the girls out on an all expenses paid trip is also good for team building, they can relieve their stresses from having to service difficult customers all day and worrying about extending their student visas.

I guess the most important thing is the integration of technology in the booking system. Excel is good but sometimes tedious for people to learn, I'm pretty sure there's free apps for booking management on the App store. And if there's a double booking mistake, offer discounts as an apology. Simply saying "do you want to try another girl?" without offering discounts is really rude, it's as if customers are being treated as a number.

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Originally Posted by andrewv

One issue that was highlighted to me offline is the good old "security fee".

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If you're operating in their turf I'd say you're not the only one they're targeting in the area. I'd avoid opening shop in the West.

Crooks in uniform should be reported. There's agencies that can deal with such crooks. Make sure your shop has functioning CCTV that actually records people's faces clearly. And as per fire safety regulations, always make sure there's an alternative exit in the building like a backdoor. And get a business insurance that covers accidental fires.

For some reason this thread brings out the handyman within me.

Room divider for privacy

Shower head

Digital clock

Dimmable corner lamp

Most of them are inexpensive. It doesn't have to be upmarket with items from Bed, Bath & Beyond, just something enough to set the mood in the room rather than plain, boring setups that look like an illegal sex den in Southeast Asia with concrete floors and cum-stained futon style mattress on the floor lol

Message originally posted by Nautilus on 13-02-2024 at 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nautilus

You forgot about the ioniser/air purifier to remove the stale cigarette smoke.

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Most RnT's don't allow smoking inside anyways. I know it's very common in brothels. Air purifiers only filters the air, cigarette smoke stench gets stuck on walls and fabrics such as mattresses and curtains which doesn't get picked up by air purifiers.

I don't trust those small ionizers in the market. The most effective way of getting rid of cigarette stench is an ozone generator but you have to evacuate the room.

the cigarette smoke is part of the charm

they should do the fishbowl soapy massage place like thailand! haha

Message originally posted by Nautilus on 13-02-2024 at 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nautilus

Three shops, one in Burwood and one not far from Tempe. Both had smoke. Plus a third now that I think about it, won’t say where as it’s a stand alone and never wrote a review about that place either. Those three shops no reviews.

They were all on the bottom end of the scale price wise. If anything they motivated me to spend more.

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Perhaps they were also on the bottom end of the scale when it comes to MLs? Like you get the village landlady in Stephen Chow's "Kungfu Hustle" as an ML, with a lit cigarette on her lips while she does part 1 + 2.

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Originally Posted by BearOrigin

Perhaps they were also on the bottom end of the scale when it comes to MLs? Like you get the village landlady in Stephen Chow's "Kungfu Hustle" as an ML, with a lit cigarette on her lips while she does part 1 + 2.

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Message originally posted by Nautilus on 13-02-2024 at 08:55 PM

https://youtu.be/hxHefMFmvc8?si=zliR2LuFpefQ4_k5

Yeah, that permed hair really turns many punters on.

dont get high of your own supply

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Originally Posted by andrewv

If given the opportunity, would you buy a share in a RnT massage business. Say a minimum $10,000 per share? In return you’d get VIP access to booking your favourite girls and a 20% discount on the basic room fee (not on extras which are earned 100% by the girls).

The business would be fully managed so as a shareholder you’d not be required to have any involvement.

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Proceeds from vice and gambling won't add to your karma if you're a holy and religious type. :) :)