Well, I didn't say it made sense. The idiocy this presents will be come clear if another outbreak occurs and people try to figure out whether it applies to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiegaigin
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Well, I didn't say it made sense. The idiocy this presents will be come clear if another outbreak occurs and people try to figure out whether it applies to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiegaigin
They are supposed to offer an alternative (webform) if people don't have a phone but then again they have the right to refuse entry.Quote:
Originally Posted by local
When it becomes mandatory it would make sense for critical shops (food etc.) to be unable to refuse entry. I can see the Sunday Telegraph story now, "Pensioner couple die of starvation, unable to buy food because supermarkets refuse entry due to no phone".
Keep in mind there's an awful lot of phones out there there don't have scanning ability. Can't speak for Apple IOS but Android doesn't appear to have scanning under rev 9, which is on a lot of cheaper brands. There's also a lot of "dumb" phones still on 3G. One brand actively promoting to Seniors, simple, big buttons, no apps etc.
The irony of the QR code check-in is that you end up having to huddle closer together just to get at that QR code. Like in my local Coles, they have a 1m X 1m board with 2 QR codes stuck on it. Hard to stay at 1.5 m apart when there are 10 people trying to scan.
They have to either have an ipad to sign people in or an actual book for people to provide their name and number, woolworths shouldn't be turning people away, that's ridiculous...Quote:
Originally Posted by adahar
Totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyboy
Electronic check in is mandatory for those venues that were already mandatory, now that all retail will be mandatory it's unclear if the same standard will be applied? When the PHO is released we might know.
I see qr code in shop but no one say to scan only there for show
Last year when it just open I have to sign in using QR I told the ml no so she hand me a forms to fill in my fack number. We have a good time.
Let's save the world with a QR code!
Could be the return of Max Headroom.Quote:
Originally Posted by surething91
By phase 4 of slomos plan all this will be finished
Yeah, Phase 4 is a long way away.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyboy
There was nothing new in the 4 Phase plan. It was just stating the obvious really.
If you have a smart phone they already can track you so don't worry about QR codes and microchips in vaccines.Quote:
Originally Posted by dotcumdotinyou
I disabled all my apps permissions, literally everything and I was talking about sexy lingerie to a friend, next minute scrolling through face book and I am getting adds about lingerie and she was as well 🤨🧐
Lol this also depends on people getting vaccinated.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyboy
Phase 4: 'Back to normal' — almost
Mr Morrison described the final phase of the plan as being "back to normal", but there will be some remnants of the pandemic remaining.
For instance, in his description of potential changes, he said only vaccinated people may be exempted from quarantine, and also described testing of arrivals into the country.
But, as with every previous stage, movement to phase 4 would be incumbent upon Australians choosing to be vaccinated against COVID-19.
"If you get vaccinated, you get to change how we live as a country. You get to change how you live in Australia," Mr Morrison said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-...inet/100262808
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This is what I do with decision engines and machine learning.Quote:
Originally Posted by JJBlows
You need to search for stuff in Incognito mode. It also helps to clear your cookies and history from time to time.
The cookies and you email if matched to the same email used in social media.
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That's the thing, never googled it at all or looked up. Was a verbal discussion for about 45 mins. I even disable mic in app permissions and it still popped upQuote:
Originally Posted by Riff888
That incognito trick might work for the annoying stuff like embedded ads and stuff, but if you really want to be "covert", it's not the best tool. Stuff like your IP address, network routes, etc can still be kept and then the moment you lose discipline and use cookies, all that hard work to cover your tracks is undone. It's all about being able to identify the machine and the human. They don't need both to be present at the same time to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riff888
Popped into Woolies today.
Girl at the entrance clutching a tablet. Confirmed she was able to check in customers, asked about checking out. She advised that you can do that with the NSW app but she has no way of checking you out (of the store). I persisted but she checked the app and said no options exist.
This makes sense as it would need to either recall your registration or require re-entry to data match. No need for such niceties so you'll have to trust a contact to not register after you've left.
So, if you don't "have" your phone or it doesn't scan you'll just have to keep a manual record of your exit time, then argue the toss if you get pinged. I asked in a smaller store and I might well have asked what the volume of a black hole is.
OMG! The government will know that at 1:03 PM you went to the Parramatta Coles and purchased Tim Tams, Campbells soup, Dairy Farmers Yoghurt, and Chux Superwipes..
It's worse than Hitler's Germany, or Stalin's Russia.
They will send you to a death camp or gulag for sure
It's the end of freedom and democracy.
Don't forget the condoms and lube. Except the Punterman, he just goes bare back!Quote:
Originally Posted by rooter
This could be the prediction of the decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by rooter
On a slightly more serious note, just consider whether this will go away when we reach "Phase 4" in 3 to 4 years time. My bet is that it won't.
The QLD app has no option to check out either, which is weird as people will have to potentially isolate as they have no idea what time you left the location...Quote:
Originally Posted by adahar
Hehe yeah we don't care about privacy... That's why:Quote:
Originally Posted by rooter
1/ we enter a shop using the backdoor
2/ we don't give our full name to the shop
3/ we don't give our phone number
4/ we don't pay by card
5/ we try not to be seen by other punters inside the shop
6/ we are anonymously speaking in this forum
Etc...
I say "we" for in general. Of course some of us don't give a fuck and I don't either. But it doesn't mean we shouldn't care!
Why would you care about privacy in a brothel and not at Coles? Maybe you don't want random people to know your life. Isn't it your right?
Just having a look at what's been happening in China the last decades should at least put us on guard.
I'm not saying our government here in Australia spy on us or other BS and I think they do our best to protect our privacy. But I don't know a technology without any leaks/hacks or whatever.
And it's not like this QR code thing we've been checking in for around 1 year has preventing lockdowns... Is it worth it? I'm just asking.
QR codes are not designed to prevent lock downs, regardless of what the govt says.Quote:
And it's not like this QR code thing we've been checking in for around 1 year has preventing lockdowns...
When they didn't exist contact tracing could only be done in an analogue way, much too slow to stop the spread, so a lock down is the only way. Now we have them, the data flow is too much to catch infections, so a lock down is used to catch up.
The sweet spot (up to 20 infections daily) can be managed without a lock down using QR codes to drive testing numbers. If cases rise then a lock down is inevitable to dull the spread and make space for data overload.
Mandatory check in's everywhere has the potential to increase the data load exponentially therefore that sweet spot becomes increasingly sensitive. The length of the lock down will depend on case analysis and data clearance rates.
The fact that a Woolies (all day for two days) and Coles are now on the site exposure list as close contact settings is testament to this process.
Shopping at Hillsdale Woolies on either of those days will reward you of a test and 14 days of personal lock down. This effectively includes your partner, family, friends and work colleagues as casual contacts. Not checking in won't save you as they will check card usage and get your info that way.
Case numbers released today, the data suggests an extension of at least 1 week probably 2. If cases persist until Wednesday then get prepared. They need 5 to 10 days of clear air to end lock down.
Got a response to my query about the double check in conundrum:
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if you don't check out of a location prior to checking into a new one, you won't be able to check out at a later time. Remembering to check out at the end of your visit can help improve the accuracy of contact tracing, however, you don't have to check out.
Isn't it obvious that they can easily figure out that you've left one place and gone to another, simply by you checking into the next destination? I mean, you're not the multiplying man, are you? You can only be at one place at a time.
The only time you might want to worry about checking out is when you leave an indoor venue to the great outdoors. That's when you might want to check out.