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I think it is a totally different situation this time. ICAC itself is under scrutiny as well because of its lack of prosecutions, budget and referrals to the police that don't hold up in court . The fact of ICACs timing and the community support Gladys has, plus she has really done what plenty of others have done. She has the sympathy vote which Barry O'Farrell didn't have so I think it will be a different scenario this time if she isn't found guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterWhippy
I don't know about you but I personally had no recollection of Barry O'Farrell or what he did for the state, seriously. Maybe it's because he was never required to front the media at 11am every morning to give updates on a state wide health crisis, everyday for at least 3 months. Or maybe because he never had to deal with a bushfire crisis of historic proportions.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterWhippy
Like comparing apples and oranges.
Correct, doesn't matter if you like her or not she has had everything thrown at her and she has fronted up just about every day. A lot of people like and trust her, similar to a mother or granny figure. Totally different to BOF as like you said nobody remembers him or anything that he had done apart from a bottle of red wine.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldfishMan
Hope the new premiere is a punter! 😁
The two main contenders are conservative Christians … so they will be punters for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by BAM
Well either punters or closet homosexuals anyway … or maybe both.
Classic Tory profile.
Oh and probably into auto-erotic asphyxiation too.
How about Nick Greiner then? Another Liberal premier who quickly resigned when the focus of ICAC turned towards him.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldfishMan
He was a popular and successful premier... and in fact founded ICAC.
No charges, and as far as ICAC was concerned no shit hitting any fans.
But let's see what happens eh? Perhaps in Gladys' case things won't quietly go away... as they always have before 🤫
Gotta realise that most ICAC referrals will never lead to convictions or even charges. The way ICAC gathers evidence is often inadmissible in court and the standard to make a finding is different to a conviction in criminal cases (balance of probabilities vs beyond reasonable doubt).
There's also a lot of corruption that may not necessarily be against the law. Take for example passing a whole bunch of laws that favour the banking industry and then quitting to take up a job with the banking industry after. Technically not against the law but definitely wouldn't pass the sniff test.Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelA2
Couldn't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by TangoEcho
In fact the LNP is completely shameless and brazen about it. Our deputy premier refers to himself as "Pork Barilaro". At the national level, you've got Barnaby Joyce parading Bridget Mackenzie around on his return to the leadership of the Nationals. I could go on...
You think labours any different?
And the other sides are different? Pull the other one, both sides are the same with pork barrelling.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterWhippy
So what? Shouldn't we be holding them all to account?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vader
I didn't say she shouldn't be investigated, it is the timing of doing it that's the problem. This case has been known for a year, what's the difference in waiting a few more months for the state to get through this crisis with the same leader before doing it? It's not like she's going to skip town, is she?Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterWhippy
If they had started the investigation when the case was started on her ex-BF it would've been still ok on them. She would've left the role before all this. GBs profile in the hearts and minds of NSW people wouldn't have grown as much as it has, nor would she have had to do the hardwork of dealing with the lockdown.
Do some research into Bob Askin who was premier back in the 1960s. Corrupt as they come, but the mud never stuck. No ICAC back then, but the public knew and didn't care.
Not the only corrupt premier, why do you think Neville Wran earned the nickname "nifty". No ICAC then either
So then ICAC becomes a political organisation, picking and choosing the timing of its announcements to favor certain politicians depending on circumstances?Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldfishMan
This is what top silk and former counsel assisting ICAC Geoffrey Watson SC had to say about the timing:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-...lian/100510076Quote:
"I think it's actually a great moment for ICAC because it's shown, yet again, it doesn't care how powerful the person is, it doesn't care how popular the person is, it does the right thing," he said.
"I saw that the Premier criticised the timing of it, I couldn't disagree more.
"The timing is perfect, this is exactly the point in our history when we want our politicians placed under close scrutiny."
Of course Watson is going to defend the ICAC, how many innocents has he helped ruin while working for it.
ICAC is as corrupt as the parliament.
Perrottet as Premier, Ayres as Deputy and Kean as Treasurer
Rob Stokes put his hand up yesterdayQuote:
Originally Posted by One23Four
That sums it all up....they were just out to get her.Quote:
Originally Posted by randomusernam2020
He's let the cat out of the bag a bit, hasn't he? That statement all but admits that there was an element of timing in it. That was the wrong statement to make. It doesn't help make the ICAC look any better, instead it has made it worse by implying that they did not simply act immediately upon knowing a new piece of information.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterWhippy
Would you pick her in a line-up?
It might be easy to think that, but a decision to conduct a public enquiry has to be made by 2 of the 3 commissioners. There's also an Inspector of the ICAC who is independent from them and is supposed to ensure that they don't become politicised. To top it all off the current 3 commissioners of the ICAC were appointed by the current government. So if anything they'd owe Gladys.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldfishMan
My question is. If everyone feels both major parties are full of corrupt leaders. Why do ppl continue to vote for both of them ? Why not some other party ?
To be the prime minister...yupQuote:
Originally Posted by Wotan