never being one but from what i reading alot of different where there's a relationship without commitment unlike WL just fuck and go...these richest business guys always have sb or high end escort that same service aka gf/wife experience. agreed with you that if got money then go with SBs instead of escort/WLs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ditchtheboss
there's always a price tag..it's matter how much individuals have, i seeing around alot not sb/escort but willing to do it at high price.
thank you very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by ditchtheboss
Yesterday I spent 5 hours with one of my SBs. At ginza that would be at least 1500, probably more. She is early 20s hot and horny. I didn’t even pay half of it and she didn’t want me to leave. It is a much better experience than the brothel,Quote:
Originally Posted by apokalypse
Got to be careful though. These girls are good at extracting cash and the ones I met are lovely. Have to keep strictly nsa and leave your feelings at the door.
@ditchheboss - what site do you use?
Finding a lot of fakes on seeking nowadays compared to about 5 years ago ?
I am not finding many fake ones, but instead many of the girls on seeking dot com have created profiles but do not meet guys because they think guys will drop $800 to $1200 per meeting and will look like James Bond, or will be old guys that fly them first class around the world. So they don't find these imaginary men and never meet anyone or make any money. The gap between reality and expectations is too wide. This is why I generally tell them what's on offer and am very happy never to get a reply back if it isn't their "dream offer".Quote:
Originally Posted by refokkused
on the sub and SB-SA seems like many are solely focused on financial gain. Some profiles even include the phrase "spoil me" or "take care of me," which can be a turn off for me. It's unclear how these individuals provide their services, but it appears that they may have a reputation for being money-hungry and expecting lavish gifts...i like people who need support for mortgage-bills...etc.
I use seeking. The most success I have had is with younger girls usually students because they are seeking assistance with basic things such as paying their bills. They all look hot to me and the bizarre thing I find is that if you treat them right, pay upfront, don’t play games they give an outstanding service and actually get horny for me. How do I know that, they are dripping wet and that doesn’t lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by refokkused
The oldest girl I am seeing is 28. She is a bit of a puzzle to me, not sure she is a student, she may do this for a living. The others are students and need help with the bills.
The slightly older ones and more model looking so to speak are the ones with unrealistic expectations. You can easily pick them from the crowd, they usually have fillers in their lips and the photos are mostly staged. I have had one asking for 3K last week which I declined.
My formula has worked for me. With regards to money I try to pay no more than 500 ppm but that is getting harder. I am happy to pay 750 for the older one because it is the same as going to a brothel 2x a week with the quality girls and we spend about 4 hours in the bedroom. We then go out to dinner and I enjoy seen the other guys staring and she purposefully gives me a peck on the lips when she notices them looking. Some guys will complain about paying for food, I have to eat anyway so might as well pay for the company or eat alone at home.
Just my experience. Perhaps I am the foolish one paying a bit more but I can afford and I am enjoying it
Just sharing my experience
Take a look at my other reply. Look for the younger ones ad they usually need financial help instead of adding to their lifestyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by apokalypse
I also look for the ones who don’t have lip fillers or augmented breasts. The ones who take photos in boats or showing expensive things I avoid too. Easy to pick them out of the crowd
Don’t worry about what they write on their profiles. I don’t care about that. Always bring it down to the bottom line: how much you pay and what they give in return.Quote:
Originally Posted by apokalypse
Many SB’s dream of a super-rich daddy who will pay them a fixed monthly allowance of $10,000 or more. This is why some girls write “no PPM”. But as we all know, those SD’s are not common. The reality is most girls end up hooking with guys casually AND guys like variety so they keep looking for the next girl.
As another punter her said, it is true that 500 is becoming difficult to get because in the last 12 months I’ve seen the usual ask is 700 to 800 (plus we pay hotel on top).
Heaps of guys paying 500 or less and heaps of reviews on those girls. If you are paying more you should reflect on why you are being sucked into that. You are just creating a marketplace issue for everyone else.
true....i know it's about business and money but these girls being materialistic. go through the thread only few need support bills-mortgage..ect.Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewv
saw this ridiculous post:
"Moved to DFW and my last 2 arrangements averaged at 1K- $1500 PPM. Note: I know this isn’t average for the entire area or every arrangement though. However, local escorts I have met get 300-400 per hour. As an SB you should NOT be getting less than local SWs or even the same since you’re giving much more of yourself and your time! On another note, I once met a lady in the area that worked the actual streets and charged $200 so that $150 makes me cringe!!"
It’s a US (mainly wealthy state) thread moderated by angry ex-SWs. Entertaining but no Australian contributors. Would be a mistake to assume it’s transferable.
Plenty of action in the US as well under US$400 a night.
Don’t get caught up in a few angry women beating a drum online.
I'm sorry benny...I mean dr.
This is an interesting discussion and andrew plus dtb accounts of what's happening in Sydney are interesting. You comments sound like you're trying to protect your income source and aren't contributing to the discussion at all.
I find with the 'younger' ones I often get offered money for an 'online' arrangement ---- onlyfans is cheaper!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ditchtheboss
I have only ever come across one girl who was very hot but only offered very substandard intimacy. She asked for 300.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrBean
Saw one for 500 for 5 hours on Saturday and will see another tomorrow for 700 but she is worth a million in my opinion.
My point is that perhaps I can negotiate the 700 one to 500 but she is so good that I think the 700 actually delivers value. My benchmark is the girls from ginza or 42G, she is better than most so good value for money
Where can I read for how to start doing this? I seen both thread and it is experience people and then bro with question but not try. Is there easy guide to begin from?
I just don't like seeing guys getting ripped off or girls thinking we are ATMs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ditchtheboss
700 to fuck is crazy money. Fine if you can afford it regularly, but most guys will need to come up with $80k before tax annually to enjoy that regularly.
Then, once you have agreed to it then she will be telling the next guy, and all her gfs "the market rate is 700". So all we do is screw each other over.
the whole sugarbaby/sugardaddy concept was based on 'rich' old guys who could afford to spend thousands and who were too busy to waste time on conventional pickups.
it's all about your personal choices, I would pay $700 for an evening and use a $400 phone than fork out $1200 for a new iphone! a lot of people who make $50k a year happily pay for a new iphone or galaxy without thinking about it.
I'll keep persisting but if you got any you good ones you don't want to continue with, send their id's this way =)Quote:
Originally Posted by ditchtheboss
Keep persisting, it’s not hard to find themQuote:
Originally Posted by refokkused
You don’t need to pay 700. My regular is 300, attractive and stays for as long as I want. She normally wants to hang around for longer than I can. Have had others for between 300 & 400. 700 is crazy.
I have had one once for 300, she was hot but had so many psychological issues that it was actually unsafe to see her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nthnrr
Will bargain harder, sounds like I am paying too much even though I think it is fair for the value I am receiving back from them
Never done SBs, but I think we could be making a mistake by trying to price them using our "punter-economics". Sure 700 bucks sounds like good value compared to long sessions in reputable shops, but that's only because we're used to paying that much for sex.
I'll admit, I find this all very fascinating. Please keep up the very fruitful discussions!
I came up with another theory overnight. Maybe I am ugly af and need to pay more for the benefit 🤣🤣. We can’t all be winners.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldfishMan
There is an aspect of sugaring that different than the brothel and that is the arrangement so I don’t say relationship, over and above intimacy. One of my SBs was texting me right now, sending me photos of a few lingerie for me to choose what she will wear tonight when we meet. Or when we just meet outside for food without needing to pay her, just for the food obviously.
It is a whole different ball game I think
It's like dating. Turn up looking your best and give her a good time. Not rocket science.
I don't know why guys on this site are paying so much. Seems you are locked into a pattern of thinking. Agree with others who have said that 3-500 is fair. if you can afford 700 regularly then kudos to you. these girls aren't making that an hour as uni students so why encourage it?