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Very good advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnJones
Never hand over money if you haven't met the lady
Need to be ready to walk out.
I like the idea of picking red flags that suggest sh_t recruiting. Walk out cash with cash in wallet, and and try your luck elsewhere
I have been to quite a few cheaper massage shops, where the girls offer excellent service, the only thing I disliked was the rooms and the lack of shower facilities.
So that’s why I now punt at a shop that has those facilities, there has also been days where I have checked the roster of this shop and I have had no interest in any of the girls rostered on that day, and had decided to save my load and wad for another day,
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Originally Posted by Vincent888
Myself, I call them like I see them. That's what a review is. If it was a good massage, I'll say so. Good service, same. If parts were bad or not offered, I'll also say that. I don't want to break anybody's rice bowl, BUT in my opinion, it's unfair to the girls who DO provide good service not to report bad. We both agree that the girls talk, share info. If one girl is getting away with bad service but still keeping up with the girls that do offer good service, there MIGHT be an incentive for others to follow suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent888
Now, I've been around long enough to differentiate the case where we just didn't click from outright scams. I don't pay that much attention to posted prices; I know what I'm willing to pay. And I understand if a girl really isn't all that interested in providing a punter a service, she just might quote an OTT price. IF he's willing to pay, then she'll put up with the discomfort. Likewise, I never assume I will receive the same services, as I say, YMMV.
I also differentiate between an individual girl and a shop. Bad actions of the shop shouldn't reflect on the girl, she might prefer not to work there but not have the choice at that point in time. But I'd still report a shop's bad actions just as a head's up to other punters ("make sure you count your change", watch out for "substitutions", etc.). The advantage of forums like this one is you learn from others experiences, BOTH good and BAD, giving an indication of what you MIGHT experience. I understand a bad review is subjective (just as a good one is). A punter wants xyz, she doesn't, so he writes a burn review, neglecting to mention the REAL cause. Or the jealous punter trying to protect his interests so he has more of her to himself. I just treat AR's like shop photos, things that go into a try/skip decision. Because the only review pertinent to me is mine.
In a perfect world, a reviewer would disclose that he is being compensated in some form for the review. But I know that WON'T happen. Just sayin...
And yes, there is NO requirement to write AR's. I can understand the reasons for not. But, for me, those that do write have more cred and more weight than those that don't. Those that don't are fluff...
AGREED. If she's giving you a special service, regardless of how many others are being offered the same, for me, that should stay between the two of you. Because there are ALWAYS some who don't understand she might not provide xyz to them (her decision) and insist otherwise, and a subset who think it SHOULD be offered at a LOWER price because they never pay retail... Not discrimination, free choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by frisson
But they weren't lied to. Her decision, and if you read the small legalese at any brothel, there's the small print that services provided are totally up to the provider. That seems to be a difficult concept to grasp for some.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnJones
And while she might be protected by pressing the panic button, it's no protection when the disappointed punter trashes her and the shop, never explaining the exact reason. It shouldn't be HER problem...
How many ML’s do a great number 1?
Some just wave their hands over you like a magician as they try to conjure a massage.
And that's where reviews, good AND bad, plus experience come into play...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent888
But why should the WL have to face those kind of experiences in her work ??? Plus nobody should be subjected to anger or violence at work so saying she can use the intercom imho misses the whole pointQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnJones
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Originally Posted by jaquedm1307
It's like you're trying to say that the private WLs who pretend to be a young girl or even Japanese but in reality is actually a Chinese granny shouldn't be subjected to customers walking away when they find out who she really is.
Karma is karma. If she has the karma, even if there was zero "extra services" advertised under her name there would still be rough customers trying to thrash her. I've seen it in massage shops where a customer in the next room was strongly trying to persuade this girl who had zero forum reviews and clearly wasn't offering FS to perform FS for extra money. The girl had several options - reject firmly, take the money and do what he wants or kick him out + ban.
Even a Woolies checkout chick would be subjected to abuse when she is the nicest worker in the whole store. In the end of the day it comes down to how you carry yourself in difficult situations - if you can stand up for yourself no one will try to take advantage of you. Even a Prince have to show bravery if he wants to be respected by the royal court.
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Originally Posted by jaquedm1307
Walking away is one thing, "trying to thrash her" is TOTALLY different. The former certainly acceptable, the latter NEVER. jaquedm1307's point is that violence is unacceptable, and throwing a temper tantrum when you don't get your way is just childish. Why should she have to resort to using the intercom to avoid being thrashed? And Karma cuts both ways...Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnJones
False advertising totally legit to walk - I've done it myselfQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnJones
'Thrash' 'strongly trying' intimidation abuse - sorry but absolutely no tolerance or justification under any circumstances
Really a no-brainer (and why some nationalities are less welcome than others; certainly a small subset, but it just takes a few, and why risk it...)Quote:
Originally Posted by jaquedm1307
Yeah, you can always tell the shop shills *cough* rooter *cough* by all the positive reviews, generally only of just one shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by punter130
Don't get me wrong. I love rooter but surely these ARs would be doing the opposite of promoting these girls?Quote:
Originally Posted by dodgybastard2
Everytime I see those alternating caps lock words I don't click.
Yeah, nothing against him personally. He's a funny guy. But maybe his reviews should come with a disclaimer at the end similar to political ads.... "Sponsored by by the Ginza Party of Australia" :)
So you suggest Ginza does not meet the standards that Rooter suggests?Quote:
Originally Posted by Meng
Rooter is never unkind to any of the WL's he reviews but he is an entertaining writer and if read with care you can pick the differences between good, very good, and outstanding. I am usually an RnT punter but patronised Ginza a couple of times when I first returned from overseas and I found that in comparative terms Rooter was pretty accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meng
If people can find something to complain about with his ARs, praising a consistently good shop over many years, then how about about posting your own ARs about your own favorite shop and do it for many years?Quote:
Originally Posted by priapus1966
Because this is the
point. Rooter doesn't exaggerate, and his reviews remind us what good consistent recruiting, by a good brothel, over many years, actually means
Not really. I've been to Ginza several times and they were all great. I even tried a girl rooter wrote a AR on. It was quite nice. As you can see from my recent ARs.Quote:
Originally Posted by frisson
But you'd obviously build up a reputation writing constant ARs for the same shop. A reputation that I think a lot of forum members on here know.
Not saying it's wrong to go to one shop constantly as you could live close to the shop. I mean I live super close to 42G hence I frequent it a lot.
Just gotta realise you'll build a reputation. Also no way going to the same shop that many times you won't be recognised by the mamasan or papasan.
It's like if you're a restaurant owner trying to get a Michelin star. If you know a Michelin judge is sitting at table 2, most places would make sure they get the VIP treatment.
I don't know Rooter, but one thing her definitely does not do is give bland template reviews with inaccurate details
Mate if we had 10 rooters, each giving weekly and fair reviews (and not saying a size 10 girl is a slim size 6 like a real spam review does) this forum would be absolutely brilliant
So...
A very regular correspondent from Ginza
A very regular correspondent from from 42 G
A very regular correspondent from N5M
etc etc
He literally has a template/style of writing his ARs. Title has alternating caps locked words. Body broken down into sub headings about "tasting", "main event", "second shot" etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by frisson
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Originally Posted by Meng
We all have our favourite places and shouldn’t be judged on number of written reviews if we frequent them and rarely other places.
I find where I go very convenient. I know how long it takes to get there. Where to park. Where the shops are close by etc.
Why change? If the brothel changes the WL’s frequently then there’s no reason to go looking for variety.
Yes I speculate on other places on a whim or even privates but they’re one off adventures. Not repeats.
You mean to say template layout, where a frequent reviewer uses the same layout to help the writing. If you write weekly reviews, you would be silly not to use the same layoutQuote:
Originally Posted by Meng
In contrast, a template review is when you write a review with a common style but it's vague and there are no details. These are written by shops
Example
"Emma was a beautiful lady. She beautiful size 6 from China (actually size 8). Good for service . She made me cum many times. Come to see for yourself"
Rooters reviews aren't vague, and his details aren't exaggerated.
Btw, you don't have to read anyone's reviews. I have never been to Ginza, but I trust his reviews. They have stood the test of time
If you've never been to Ginza or seen the girls how do you know it stood the test of time?Quote:
Originally Posted by frisson
I literally read in another thread you said no doubt Rebecca is great. Have you seen her before? If so then you've been to Ginza.
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Originally Posted by frisson
My 5c worth...
If a punter can get a discount or freebie by reviewing or having some commercial agreement, then good luck to them.
BUT just like Pollies, they should declare there is some agreement in place.
Most punters can and should be able to make up their own mind. Or worst case, see the girl themselves...
I have over the years taken Rooster's reviews and been pleasantly surprised and also felt been dubbed too on occasions.
I'm sure we have all felt the same about reviews in general at different times.
I have never been to Ginza or the other Ginza. From the content of a review, you can see the good service providedQuote:
Originally Posted by Meng