Generous Punters

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Originally Posted by madness123

Ill tip well when Ive had a great experience and plan on a return visit. Ive found it makes a great investment on the next visit. Then ill level out. But average service get base rate tip. You know it when you'll definitely be booking again. I always go for two shot visits so on balance I dont mind decent tipping when its been an hour of hard work.

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Interested as to what your definition of a base rate tip is? Great experience tip?

All this talk about tipping..... incredible. Do you tip a service provider because you feel the standard payment is less than they are worth, or is it because it makes you feel special, or because you want to show off that you are a better or more important man than the 10 to 20 other guys the girl has wanked or fucked on the same day?????

Do you tip your hairdresser?
Do you tip your house cleaner because she does a great job?
Do you tip your electrician or plumber?
Do you tip your taxi or Uber driver?

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When MLs ask for tips in exchange for extras I hardly call that a tip, it's basically off-the-books payment for a service like hiring your plumber friend to fix your toilet for a massive cash discount.

If we were to properly tip an ML it would've been the same way we'd tip waitstaff in the US - the tipping culture there is based on empathy for the waitstaff that are getting paid low base wages.

Seeing how most MLs are making lots of money from behind the door extras, the only time we'd feel like tipping extra money is when we feel like the ML is not making enough money for the day. Sometimes the ML is excellent but she just doesn't provide DFK, BBBJ/CBJ or FS only NHJ so it would be appropriate if the punter tipped extra when the ML provided an excellent heartfelt session - maybe she listened to his heart being poured out the whole session without being interrupted or judged as there are stories of punters who book sex workers not purely for the sex but mostly for the pillow talk their wives won't give them the time of day to.

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Originally Posted by Sibon

A WL I sometimes saw had a penchant to complain that I gave her not enough tips. She told me a customer tipped her $200 for HJ. I assumed he could be an elderly Chinese businessman.

Well I didn't want to underpay a ML I went for the old stardard of $100 or $150 for FS depending what the girl was charging plus $70 shop price. In 200 Standmore where the shop price of $130 includes HJ I would tip the WL $50.

A mamasan of a Burwood shop is strict about WL pestering the customer for more tips. I heard that customers would complained to her about being squeezed for more moeny. She wanted to make punting affordable and competitive as she had two other shops nearby to compete for business.

However the mamasans of a South Strathfield and a Epping shop allow the WLs the liberty to ask anything the girls feel like. Once I was even asked for $50 extra because the WL had to catch Uber home. Or $100 more because she had to move house.

All thanks to the generous and well-heeled punters in our midst. Many of us have to play the catch-up game because we don't want to look cheapskate in front of the girls. I must admit that whatever I earn I have to sweat for it.

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WTF! $200 for HJ. Does she have the golden hand of HJ?

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Originally Posted by John_Diaz

WTF! $200 for HJ. Does she have the golden hand of HJ?

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I'll take a guess and say that the ML had started the negotiations from a high water mark. Something akin to the ambit claim. With negotiations you can always come down to the price you'll pay. With Sibon she probably thought he was easy pickings. 👍

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Originally Posted by 11Bravo

Simple, she sent you a message that you understood. Amazing, certainly Asian languages use tones, but tone is ALSO very useful in English...

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Yep.

To me, at the time her tone absolutely reeked of desperation and her feeling that I was an ATM as the service received did not include anything new or even different yet the 'request' was for more pineapples which to me was a 'test of waters' to see how far I would go in the circumstances and one thing I do not accept is being pushed.

As for tone, to me tone is everything whether it be vocal or body movement as both can be a big indication within certain circumstances

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Originally Posted by 11Bravo

Everyone has their own methodology. MY experience, the first price I pay will always be the (expected) subsequent price with no further discussion needed. I don't tip. For me, perhaps with limited vocabulary, too difficult to explain a one-time tip. Paying less on a subsequent visit, I believe, could lead to confusion. As I've posted many times, my tip is return business which is appreciated. I never pay less - when required, I just don't return (or a LONG time to try again). But I have unilaterally upped the price when I know that the general market price has increased or to reward longevity. Finally, I will round up on the last visit when I know I'll be on hiatus, explaining such.

Bottom line: whatever works for YOU.

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This is more me as well.

Not really a person who tips a ML or other as I am not that kind plus it is not something that I have ever done no matter the job or service received.

To me, the ladies are service providers and I do not tip because we have agreed on a service for cost after they have 'quoted' me a price. I either choose to accept the price or not and we go from there where I get the service or we renegotiate to something more suitable for both..

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Originally Posted by trampslikeus55

I'll take a guess and say that the ML had started the negotiations from a high water mark. Something akin to the ambit claim. With negotiations you can always come down to the price you'll pay. With Sibon she probably thought he was easy pickings. 👍

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is sibon a big tipper

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Originally Posted by Abracadabra

Interested as to what your definition of a base rate tip is? Great experience tip?

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Base 50, only ever after the event as well.

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Originally Posted by andrewv

1. Do you tip your hairdresser?
2. Do you tip your house cleaner because she does a great job?
3. Do you tip your electrician or plumber?
4. Do you tip your taxi or Uber driver?

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1. Yes, even though my barber drives a newer and more expensive car than mine. But while some get haircuts every month, I'm more of a quarterly type, so I figure it averages out to keep me on the "give him an appointment when he wants" list.

Helpful hint: if you ever need to move through a large crowd, and you wear your hair long and shaggy, with a beard, just pull one side's shirttail out, look down, mumble nonsense LOUDLY, and start shuffling forward. That crowd will part like the Red Sea...

2. House cleaner? That's for you high falutin' folks. Me, I figure dust is just nature's way of showing me what I don't use. Doesn't bother me at all. Plastic utensils go in the recycle, and paper plates/cups in the garbage. That mold in the shower - I'm a biologist looking for the next super drug.

3. Electricians or plumbers, No.

4. Yes, in countries where it's expected. Otherwise you might not get picked up the next time.

5. WG - as I've stated, in general, no. Treat her the same as electricians and plumbers - she turns me on and cleans my pipes.

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Originally Posted by CarpetJam

is sibon a big tipper

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I'm a poor punter. I have a low limit on my weekly punting expenditure.

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Helpful hint: if you ever need to move through a large crowd, and you wear your hair long and shaggy, with a beard, just pull one side's shirttail out, look down, mumble nonsense LOUDLY, and start shuffling forward. That crowd will part like the Red Sea...

Love that Bro - just GOLD!

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Originally Posted by 11Bravo

1. Yes, even though my barber drives a newer and more expensive car than mine. But while some get haircuts every month, I'm more of a quarterly type, so I figure it averages out to keep me on the "give him an appointment when he wants" list.

Helpful hint: if you ever need to move through a large crowd, and you wear your hair long and shaggy, with a beard, just pull one side's shirttail out, look down, mumble nonsense LOUDLY, and start shuffling forward. That crowd will part like the Red Sea...

2. House cleaner? That's for you high falutin' folks. Me, I figure dust is just nature's way of showing me what I don't use. Doesn't bother me at all. Plastic utensils go in the recycle, and paper plates/cups in the garbage. That mold in the shower - I'm a biologist looking for the next super drug.

3. Electricians or plumbers, No.

4. Yes, in countries where it's expected. Otherwise you might not get picked up the next time.

5. WG - as I've stated, in general, no. Treat her the same as electricians and plumbers - she turns me on and cleans my pipes.

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6. Medicine Doctors/Dentists - you don't tip your Doctors for appointment like you don't tip appointment with your ML/WL.

The way I see it, we use the term "tip" in punting very loosely and not in the general sense of the word.

I don't even consider the money that I give to MLs as a real "tip". It's just payment for her services, that's it. If I don't pay that money, I don't get the service at all. That's not the definition of a "tip", is it?

On the other hand, when you tip a waiter, that's a real tip because it's just money you pay "for nothing more". Whether or not you paid the tip, that waiter would've served you regardless.

So there's really no point in comparing the tip that we give to MLs, to any other instances of tipping. It's just not the same thing.

Checked out now

I am not big on tipping more than the agreed price, but if she goes completely above and beyond what i was expecting well then i might tip if i plan on going back to her.

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Originally Posted by 11Bravo

1. Yes, even though my barber drives a newer and more expensive car than mine. But while some get haircuts every month, I'm more of a quarterly type, so I figure it averages out to keep me on the "give him an appointment when he wants" list.

Helpful hint: if you ever need to move through a large crowd, and you wear your hair long and shaggy, with a beard, just pull one side's shirttail out, look down, mumble nonsense LOUDLY, and start shuffling forward. That crowd will part like the Red Sea...

2. House cleaner? That's for you high falutin' folks. Me, I figure dust is just nature's way of showing me what I don't use. Doesn't bother me at all. Plastic utensils go in the recycle, and paper plates/cups in the garbage. That mold in the shower - I'm a biologist looking for the next super drug.

3. Electricians or plumbers, No.

4. Yes, in countries where it's expected. Otherwise you might not get picked up the next time.

5. WG - as I've stated, in general, no. Treat her the same as electricians and plumbers - she turns me on and cleans my pipes.

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If 5 were true, Mrs Palmer would be all the companionship necessary. The reason for this conversation is because of the priceless quality involved in the encounter.

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Originally Posted by GoldfishMan

The way I see it, we use the term "tip" in punting very loosely and not in the general sense of the word.

I don't even consider the money that I give to MLs as a real "tip". It's just payment for her services, that's it. If I don't pay that money, I don't get the service at all. That's not the definition of a "tip", is it?

On the other hand, when you tip a waiter, that's a real tip because it's just money you pay "for nothing more". Whether or not you paid the tip, that waiter would've served you regardless.

So there's really no point in comparing the tip that we give to MLs, to any other instances of tipping. It's just not the same thing.

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Definitions:
1. Service Charge: a fee paid for the labor involved in delivering a service. Mandatory.

Examples: the money you pay your barber for a haircut; the money you pay your mechanic for changing your oil (not the oil itself, but the labor involved in changing it); the money you pay the repairman to fix your a/c (not the parts, but his labor)

2. Tip: a gratuity, given as a gift. Optional.

Examples: In the food industry, derived from To Insure Promptness, given to a waitress. The extra money given to your barber, perhaps acknowledging the hot towel he put on your face before shaving (or to just shut you up). But it's optional, NOT mandatory.

So, the money I pay the ML for the NHJ, BJ, FS, is a service charge for services rendered. And even if she's said, "up to you", what I pay is a service charge for a given service. What ever it is, it's a mandatory payment, a fee OWED.

If a restaurant automatically applies a tip, say a certain percentage of the bill, then it's NOT a tip and IS listed on the receipt as a Service Charge.

I never tip. My tip is return BUSINESS. It's a TRANSACTIONAL BUSINESS, services provided for agreed upon fees. I don't tip my mechanic. I do tip my barber if for no other reason that he always strops the straight razor before my shave (and that I see him quarterly, not monthly, but still have no trouble booking an appointment).

There are exceptions. Just today, I gave a tip to a long time regular. In ADDITION to the agreed upon SERVICE CHARGE for certain supplied services, I also added a tip, a GIFT, of an optional amount, apologizing I didn't have a red envelope to put it in (and also because it would be the last time I saw her for some time. DEROStion is approaching).

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The fee that you pay the ML for the extras is NOT a tip but a service charge. If you add anything as a gift over and above the service charges, that's a tip. Walk out of a shop without providing a tip, no problem. Walk out without paying the service charge... see how far you get.

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Originally Posted by PELTERS

If 5 were true, Mrs Palmer would be all the companionship necessary. The reason for this conversation is because of the priceless quality involved in the encounter.

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If it were priceless, then who could afford? As proven above, what you pay is a service charge for a physical transaction, agreed upon by both parties.

Priceless: Having incalculable monetary, intellectual, or spiritual worth
Not for me. I can ALWAYS calculate what HER experience that day is worth to me. It's the basic Go/No-Go decision.

IMHO isn't the issue differing peoples perceptions of what the actual 'service charge' rate is rather than adding additional payment ? Those who frequent this forum would have a pretty solid grasp of the cost of NHJ to FS maybe the issue is how much each individual is actually prepared to fork out for said service.
We've all had a NHJ and then there's THE NHJ absolutely poles apart (pun intended) so saying 1 pineapple could be the difference of a pineapple the size of a grape or a water melon
I usually run by the guideline prices but have paid double the price in a few instances and believe I got x 10 in return - is that being generous even though I feel I got the best deal ever
Each to there own I guess but interesting and enlightening words of wisdom - thanks to all the contributors ��

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Originally Posted by 11Bravo

Definitions:
1. Service Charge: a fee paid for the labor involved in delivering a service. Mandatory.

Examples: the money you pay your barber for a haircut; the money you pay your mechanic for changing your oil (not the oil itself, but the labor involved in changing it); the money you pay the repairman to fix your a/c (not the parts, but his labor)

2. Tip: a gratuity, given as a gift. Optional.

Examples: In the food industry, derived from To Insure Promptness, given to a waitress. The extra money given to your barber, perhaps acknowledging the hot towel he put on your face before shaving (or to just shut you up). But it's optional, NOT mandatory.

So, the money I pay the ML for the NHJ, BJ, FS, is a service charge for services rendered. And even if she's said, "up to you", what I pay is a service charge for a given service. What ever it is, it's a mandatory payment, a fee OWED.

If a restaurant automatically applies a tip, say a certain percentage of the bill, then it's NOT a tip and IS listed on the receipt as a Service Charge.

I never tip. My tip is return BUSINESS. It's a TRANSACTIONAL BUSINESS, services provided for agreed upon fees. I don't tip my mechanic. I do tip my barber if for no other reason that he always strops the straight razor before my shave (and that I see him quarterly, not monthly, but still have no trouble booking an appointment).

There are exceptions. Just today, I gave a tip to a long time regular. In ADDITION to the agreed upon SERVICE CHARGE for certain supplied services, I also added a tip, a GIFT, of an optional amount, apologizing I didn't have a red envelope to put it in (and also because it would be the last time I saw her for some time. DEROStion is approaching).

Summary:
The fee that you pay the ML for the extras is NOT a tip but a service charge. If you add anything as a gift over and above the service charges, that's a tip. Walk out of a shop without providing a tip, no problem. Walk out without paying the service charge... see how far you get.

If it were priceless, then who could afford? As proven above, what you pay is a service charge for a physical transaction, agreed upon by both parties.

Priceless: Having incalculable monetary, intellectual, or spiritual worth
Not for me. I can ALWAYS calculate what HER experience that day is worth to me. It's the basic Go/No-Go decision.

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again long way just to say you dont tip. we get it

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Originally Posted by CarpetJam

again long way just to say you dont tip. we get it

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No, there's obviously confusion with the words: service charge and tips. I just provided clarity. CLEAR? CLEAR!!!

QED

Checked out now

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Originally Posted by Soton

God am I confused.
There is no set price.....it's a negotiation but you are telling me it's a service fee and thus includes GST.

Let me get this straight.
ML says 150 for FS including CBJ and sex.

We do the deed and then I hand her 200 , keep the change.
Have I paid 200 for the service or 150 plus tip.

sure we entered in to a contract at 150 but it was not clearly defined and not explicitly itemised.
Pretty sure I strayed outside the terms, I mean I licked her inner thigh and she gave me a long hot dfk.

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CLEAR to me. Just yesterday, saw my #1 regular. Given FS is 150 (in your example, verbal contract for 150 agreed to by both parties), not stated but understood from previous "verbal contract". Also owed $70 for the massage. Total service charge $220. Handed her $250, with a "keep the change, Happy New Year". For me, that's $70 massage service fee, $150 "upgrade" service fee, and $30 TIP. The first two were service fees owed, mandatory, the last a tip

YMMV, but I don't need to negotiate every time with a repeat. We both understand.

Another thread with many views and comments. One thing I have learnt throughout my life is that you generally get what you pay for. And generally the people who do the best are the ones that get paid most. Not a universal rule but good to keep in mind. I don't pay overs to all, but some are just better. 😎

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Originally Posted by trampslikeus55

Another thread with many views and comments. One thing I have learnt throughout my life is that you generally get what you pay for. And generally the people who do the best are the ones that get paid most. Not a universal rule but good to keep in mind. I don't pay overs to all, but some are just better. 😎

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True, but there are many forms of extra payments. A tip is one, another a standard rate repeated REGULARLY counts with the smart providers: money in the bank. She knows that she IS replaceable and many won't want to jeopardize that cash flow. It's why the regular above sent me a complete list of the shops/days she's working, and why I book with her and let her notify the shop. My experience, anyway, both here and elsewhere.