Would you buy a share in a RnT massage business?

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Originally Posted by woodland

Some rules if I was opening a massage business

1. advertise well - social media: Instagram, Telegram, WeChat, Line, Kakao, as well as traditional media such as escorts and babes, and locanto
2. have clean showers
3. a receptionist that can use microsoft Excel to keep track of bookings
4. do a bit of basic statistics (market intelligence) on which type of guys go after which type of girls. keep track of customer preferences. Excel is enough for this.
5. reward and retain the high performing girls whilst fire the bottom 10% or put them on a performance plan
6. have a website that is updated with roster information
7. give girls an referral bonus if they bring in new girls
8. quarterly off-site for the girls - dinner & karaoke

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Yes... good ideas. Thanks.

One issue that was highlighted to me offline is the good old "security fee".

Let's say that certain men group together and ride motorcycles, go to businesses like cafes in Burwood [actual story], and "offer" their security services. The owners get two choices: to either say "yes" or have an accidental fire on the premises, if you get my drift.

So there is an expense item that is not usually talked about when running businesses like this.

P.S. Not only men who ride motorcycles but sometimes men who wear uniforms during their day jobs.

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Originally Posted by woodland

Some rules if I was opening a massage business

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As someone pointed out, this forum is a place where shops are already advertising and putting out daily rosters. Most local punters would've known about AUS99 even if they're just lurkers without signing up for an account. As long as people post ARs that doesn't sound like a hyped up load of BS and manages reader's expectations (leave out the part3/BBFS unless the shop ad specifically says she provides it to all) I reckon business will boom.

Clean showers and a working shower heads that doesn't spray on a 360° angle is important. Bunnings have an abundant supply of cheap shower heads that anyone can fit by following simple instructions, no plumber required. Choosing the cleaning company who can clean the showers properly is also important, if the cleaner doesn't scrub off soap scums and grout mould properly they should be replaced with another cleaning company. And they should also check and clean the AC filters.

Giving the highest performing girl an incentive or bonus reward is important. It doesn't make her feel like she's a number there. And taking the girls out on an all expenses paid trip is also good for team building, they can relieve their stresses from having to service difficult customers all day and worrying about extending their student visas.

I guess the most important thing is the integration of technology in the booking system. Excel is good but sometimes tedious for people to learn, I'm pretty sure there's free apps for booking management on the App store. And if there's a double booking mistake, offer discounts as an apology. Simply saying "do you want to try another girl?" without offering discounts is really rude, it's as if customers are being treated as a number.

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Originally Posted by andrewv

One issue that was highlighted to me offline is the good old "security fee".

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If you're operating in their turf I'd say you're not the only one they're targeting in the area. I'd avoid opening shop in the West.

Crooks in uniform should be reported. There's agencies that can deal with such crooks. Make sure your shop has functioning CCTV that actually records people's faces clearly. And as per fire safety regulations, always make sure there's an alternative exit in the building like a backdoor. And get a business insurance that covers accidental fires.

For some reason this thread brings out the handyman within me.

Room divider for privacy

Shower head

Digital clock

Dimmable corner lamp

Most of them are inexpensive. It doesn't have to be upmarket with items from Bed, Bath & Beyond, just something enough to set the mood in the room rather than plain, boring setups that look like an illegal sex den in Southeast Asia with concrete floors and cum-stained futon style mattress on the floor lol

Message originally posted by Nautilus on 13-02-2024 at 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nautilus

You forgot about the ioniser/air purifier to remove the stale cigarette smoke.

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Most RnT's don't allow smoking inside anyways. I know it's very common in brothels. Air purifiers only filters the air, cigarette smoke stench gets stuck on walls and fabrics such as mattresses and curtains which doesn't get picked up by air purifiers.

I don't trust those small ionizers in the market. The most effective way of getting rid of cigarette stench is an ozone generator but you have to evacuate the room.

the cigarette smoke is part of the charm

they should do the fishbowl soapy massage place like thailand! haha

Message originally posted by Nautilus on 13-02-2024 at 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nautilus

Three shops, one in Burwood and one not far from Tempe. Both had smoke. Plus a third now that I think about it, won’t say where as it’s a stand alone and never wrote a review about that place either. Those three shops no reviews.

They were all on the bottom end of the scale price wise. If anything they motivated me to spend more.

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Perhaps they were also on the bottom end of the scale when it comes to MLs? Like you get the village landlady in Stephen Chow's "Kungfu Hustle" as an ML, with a lit cigarette on her lips while she does part 1 + 2.

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Originally Posted by BearOrigin

Perhaps they were also on the bottom end of the scale when it comes to MLs? Like you get the village landlady in Stephen Chow's "Kungfu Hustle" as an ML, with a lit cigarette on her lips while she does part 1 + 2.

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Message originally posted by Nautilus on 13-02-2024 at 08:55 PM

https://youtu.be/hxHefMFmvc8?si=zliR2LuFpefQ4_k5

Yeah, that permed hair really turns many punters on.

dont get high of your own supply

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Originally Posted by andrewv

If given the opportunity, would you buy a share in a RnT massage business. Say a minimum $10,000 per share? In return you’d get VIP access to booking your favourite girls and a 20% discount on the basic room fee (not on extras which are earned 100% by the girls).

The business would be fully managed so as a shareholder you’d not be required to have any involvement.

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Proceeds from vice and gambling won't add to your karma if you're a holy and religious type. :) :)

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Originally Posted by Sibon

Proceeds from vice and gambling won't add to your karma if you're a holy and religious type. :) :)

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Yes Cardinal Pell. You'll go to heaven after molesting those kids and being acquitted of your crimes.

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Originally Posted by BearOrigin

It depends on location and willingness of other shareholders to promote the business. The shareholder VIP rates is not a good idea, it creates a problem where the shareholder might have an interest in a certain ML and book her out all to himself, and if she's a reasonably popular girl ordinary punters will be deterred because they have to choose a less popular girl.

I've spoken with few WGs in the past and they're usually not comfortable having one of their bosses become their client. I think some establishments have rules of not being intimate with your own co-workers and if you really want to punt then go punt at another shop. Also I reckon RnT's are suitable for female bosses, they run the shop better than male bosses and industry girls are much more comfortable working with female bosses.

If my own partner decides to buy and run an RnT shop then I would support her but I won't step foot into the establishment. I'll do the delivery of oils, tissue boxes and towels and probably help with minor handyman works outside operating hours but not become a receptionist during daytime.

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you know what they say you don't dip into your own supply

Checked out now

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Originally Posted by Soton

Then it comes down to Math.
How many rooms do you have
How many ladies per shift
Rent
Receptionist wage/commission.
Cleaning/supplies etc.
Security.

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Anyone care to put some numbers in?

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Originally Posted by Soton

The main caveat being the owner or 50/50 partner would have to be female and Thai, Japanese or Chinese.
Biggest issue is the MLs. I will not go in to details but you need people working for you that you can rely upon and many of the plethora of ladies around are not particularly reliable.
There are quite a few good receptionists and owners out there that you can learn little bits from. Even the batshit crazy ones (no names) have some good qualities.

Location is important...parking and railway line are big plusses.

Then it comes down to Math.
How many rooms do you have
How many ladies per shift
Rent
Receptionist wage/commission.
Cleaning/supplies etc.
Security

With the right manager it can be a very good business for you and despite the comments not have to work 7 days and not every week.

Being licensed is also a biggie.

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It's probably better to have your own Asian gf/wife and her friend to be business partners. Having licence is also good, the only thing you need to worry about is whether the ML has valid working rights or not. If they're overstayers then it's a big headache when the cops decide to do a welfare check on all staff.

Many massage shops don't have bouncers guarding the shop but it's good to find a location where certain gangs wouldn't come to cause trouble and the local police station is quick to respond to violent attacks.

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Originally Posted by Nautilus

Anyone care to put some numbers in?

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My tips for being a good business partner:

Don't retaliate the very moment a business partner does something that irritates you. Be kind, but inform them that you don't like being mistreated or misunderstood. Constant communication is key - your business partner can't read your mind or read the room all the time, everyone has their priorities in life. If there's a goal to be achieved your business partner needs to know of those goals. No subtle hints, just say it out. A business partner can be a friend if they're kind hearted but don't push their kindness too far. If you have built good business relationship with each other for a long time, things will work out and everyone will be happy with their team effort.

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Originally Posted by andrewv

If given the opportunity, would you buy a share in a RnT massage business. Say a minimum $10,000 per share? In return you’d get VIP access to booking your favourite girls and a 20% discount on the basic room fee (not on extras which are earned 100% by the girls).

The business would be fully managed so as a shareholder you’d not be required to have any involvement.

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Getting your dick wet isn't really a motivation for an ongoing investment & anyone who considers it to be so isn't the kind of business partner that you would want.

This is business. Don't dangle shiny trinkets because serious investors aren't impressed & would consider you to be someone they wouldn't want to go into business with.

Are there really triads/gangs running these joints that need to be spoken to?

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Originally Posted by pupha69

Are there really triads/gangs running these joints that need to be spoken to?

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I'd like to know this as well. Old asian shop owners are linked with triads? I mean it's not IMpossible..

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Originally Posted by Sydozzie

I'd like to know this as well. Old asian shop owners are linked with triads? I mean it's not IMpossible..

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I can assure you that organised crime is in everything they can get into. Not only illegal substances.
I don’t want to spoil the party when I say that AFP estimates that 50% of the girls working in places we go to are misled into having to do these jobs.

They’re not all nice Japanese (or other nationalities) studying English in Australia and need to make cash to pay bills.