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Originally Posted by 11Bravo
exactly this ... ' but they don't include the already paid $50 NHJ in their price '.
Inclusive rates are so wrong. People need to avoid shops with inclusive rates so the owners will realise that they have to go back to normal set up, 50-65-75.
At 227NS a stunning lady, and I mean stunning, asked for $200 for FS and I just smiled and said no. She countered with 150 then 120 and we agreed. Smart enough to understand she had to maximise her earn for an hour.
Saw her a couple times after and voluntarily gave her $150 as I thought she was worth it. If she wouldn’t budge the first time I was out so we both achieved decent outcomes in the end.
I figure full service is $150 on top of massage. Thats what I am going to be expecting when I head that route with a ML.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keeping Up
But you are right, you sign up for the massage for 60 minutes, how much of that does the ML see if nothing else happens? Not much at all I'm guessing. So the incentive is there for the WL to make the most of her hour's time to earn.
Is this stunning lady still working, and her name or name she is now know as at another shop, and which shop :-)
As an aside there seems to be a proliferation of bracket creep about at the moment. $200 for FS seems to be asked and paid quite regularly on the forum. Each to their own but this is overs Most brothels are cheaper for 30 mins. And you will have a willing participant 👍
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Originally Posted by Keeping Up
Great!!!
The client has 100% the control of the session, if the ml disagrees with the tip, just have only massage. so simple.
I will guess it was Kara or Lucky and they both still work at NS227 and E41 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by Strommer
This has happened to me several times. Usually it's the young pretty Thai girls asking $150-200. It's ridiculous, but I tell them I ain't rich and I'm on Centrelink. Obviously they laugh since I'm usually well dressed and relatively fit looking, but I'll get FS for $100 extra.Quote:
Originally Posted by ColesBag
When I first started punting in SYD, paid the massage fee of $65 with a $50 +$20. Detoured to the toilet (don't get old), came back, looking for the change, the girl pointed to the table in the room, there the fiver was. Great.
HOWEVER, the poor girl was assigned double duty, masseuse AND receptionist. After one too many interruptions, I'd had it. When she returned once again, I was getting off the table, starting to get dressed. She was "What's the problem?" When I explained, I WAS leaving, she informed me the massage was $90. Say WHAT? I pointed to the sign on the wall where 1 hour was CLEARLY listed as $65 (right next to the sign that said "No sexual services"). With a STRAIGHT face, she said, "That's for a massage WITH extras. For a massage WITHOUT extras, $90. DANGEROUS situation, myself trying to keep from laughing.
But we DID reach a mutually satisfactory compromise (NOT a dirty word), and I left happy, happy enough to return (with her promise of sole attention to me, which she did keep - oh, yes, indeed).
So yes, the providers make THEIR coin on the extras, and most are reluctant to forgo a full loss of income. Having said that, be reasonable. They do have a floor just as we have a ceiling.
It's actually considered bad etiquette to not go with the minimum nhj extra at the non-inclusive shops. Otherwise the girl gets a bare minimum for the session just on the massage booking, something like $25 from the $75. I mean you can do it but eventually you will get a bad reputation if you do it too often.Quote:
Originally Posted by NC3
Oh the girls are not stupid, they work these jobs for a living and know exactly the calculations between inclusive and non-inclusive. It's just that you have encountered a girl that puts her fee at $200 FS and therefore they charge $150 at the inclusive shops. I guarantee you if you find that girl at a non-inclusive she will try to charge $200.Quote:
Originally Posted by 11Bravo
WITHOUT doubt, they are NOT stupid. They know exactly their MSRP, but I also know that each has a floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcrawford
TRY being the operative word. My attitude is it never hurts to ask, but, myself, just like an interior down lineman (and the crowd begins to chant, hold the line, HOLD the line, HOLD THE LINE) I do. Sometimes it's a touchdown, sometimes a first down, rarely a sack.
And I do agree, in the non-inclusive shops, it is expected to at least fly economy, if not business or first. Otherwise, just go to a legit massage shop and stop wasting her time. She also has bills to pay.
Oh I didn't mean they won't negotiate on their starting price, I just mean they will have a different starting price based on the shop payment model.
On a side note negotiating down extras could also be a mood killer, or the girl might be less enthusiastic. Just something to consider.
I agree, and as I've said somewhere, I don't negotiate. If she's at or below my ceiling, it's a go. If not, I'll just politely decline, and wait to see if she makes another suggestion. If asked, I tell the truth: 50/100/150. But honestly, with my demographics and my looks, you say old, I say experienced, they are VERY astute...Quote:
Originally Posted by tcrawford
It's just VERY simple: I KNOW what I'm willing to pay for HER experience. I'm polite but not gullible.
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Originally Posted by tcrawford
I understand your point of view but for me the bad etiquette or bad reputation is for the ml and the shop, not for the customer ... of course when the customer is a Gentleman.
This has happened to me only 4 times, to have only massage in the session, so when I finished, I gave my feedback to the owners and actually in all cases the owners text me back and thank me for my honest feedback that actually help them to see that these specific ml's were damaging the shop.
respect and common sense needed from both sides, not only from customer side. is 50/50 situation.
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Originally Posted by Kiki kong
inclusive rate is wrong for so many reasons.
I see my regular at Ramsgate & she charges me $180 for FS, I think it’s a bit much but it’s her fee so I don’t sit there and argue or talk her down, I can afford it so I’m sure it helps her as the FS is pretty good
Is it 60 min of FS? If so and you rate her then it's still good valueQuote:
Originally Posted by Peter69
i've been curious about kara, she looks amazing but i can't find reviews. would you recommend her?Quote:
Originally Posted by trampslikeus55
Only seen Kara walking to a room so not a help on any experience. There is a review by Woodsy for her at Chill107. Glowing AR and apparently same girl. And she is a bombshell 🔥🔥Quote:
Originally Posted by Winnerwinter
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Originally Posted by The Sampler
Which Freya ? Where she work now?
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Originally Posted by Peter69
-180$ tip for an hour, plus 75$ for the shop so all up 255$ is very close to the maximum who someone can spend in massage shop in my opinion.
-I have few ml's that I see often, for an hour session [ Ginza service] my tip is 180$ to 200$. When I see them for 45min. my tip is 150/160$. and for 30min. my tip is 120$.
-Many people include myself can afford 200$ tip or much more than this, but is all about to don't spoil the field/ml.
- Also, when you talk about the tip in the room, you don't need to argue or talk for ever. It takes 30 seconds to agree or disagree and from there you decide to continue or not.
How much do you guys tip for fs? After it is all done. Price was never mentioned at the start... some ml won't say it, so go with the flow.
$150 normally, but some shops charge higher for the massage and therefore the FS will be less. i normally wait for them to offer, if i'm really liking it then i'll ask if they do fs. normally that's clarified with the shop prior to booking but i still like to do the dance of asking for the girls permission
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wrong inclusive rates need to make a come back thats how every single rub and tug used to work. It stops these greedy bitches asking too much for extras.Quote:
Originally Posted by NC3