Never trust a working girl

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Originally Posted by Galactus

Im wondering what you mean by trust..

Would i trust a WL not to rummage through my coat pocket when she's alone in the room and I'm in the shower? Probably

Would i trust the same WL enough to leave my wallet on the table filled with a wad of cash while she was alone in the room? Probably not

Would i trust a WL to treat my inner most feelings and tender heart with care and respect? Lol. No

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This sums it all up. There is no way any punter here would leave his wallet on the bed stuffed with cash while he walks 20 yards down the hall to shower.Why? Because you have no idea of her honesty or inner strength of character. YET when some poor schmuk writes a bad A/R or dares to criticise her attitude or behaviour he is rubbished mercilissly whilst the W/L is defended as JOAN OF ARC /MOTHER THERESA /FLORENCE NIGHTINGALE all wrapped up in one package. Hypocritical/double standards??? I THINK SO!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by numberonebigsize

This sums it all up. There is no way any punter here would leave his wallet on the bed stuffed with cash while he walks 20 yards down the hall to shower.Why? Because you have no idea of her honesty or inner strength of character. YET when some poor schmuk writes a bad A/R or dares to criticise her attitude or behaviour he is rubbished mercilissly whilst the W/L is defended as JOAN OF ARC /MOTHER THERESA /FLORENCE NIGHTINGALE all wrapped up in one package. Hypocritical/double standards??? I THINK SO!!!!!!

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I do leave my wallet in a brothel room while I'm in the shower room.
I know they make lots of cash every week.
I might have few thousands in my wallet, but if someone is going to steal, of course it isn't going to be all. That's a very stupid one. I know it right away.
If they are going to steal, then it's maximum 4-6 $50 notes.
So, do you think ladies making thousands/week, would even be bothered to trade the risk of being caught (and get a bad reputation) for $300?
You know that is a criminal offence.
Lol.

And obviously, I trust them more (about few thousands $ in the wallet), than guys at bar/pub.
Lol.

I don't have comments for your joan of arc and mother theresa.
That's up to you what to write, but I guess what you write in your post, could be considered as flaming.

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Originally Posted by Galactus

I think if you are a regular of a certain high-end shop, and you know the girls well, there is a basis for some trust.

But I also think the original point has an element of truth - all things being equal a WL is probably less trustworthy than any other girl.

If you met a WL on the street, took her home, and left a cash filled wallet on the dresser while she was alone in the room -I think there is a reasonable chance she might steal money. If you met an ordinary girl in a club and she was in the same situation she might also steal money, but i think the WL would be more likely to do so.

Why? - combination of possible factors - including increased likelihood of drug depedency, and a generally more cynical and jaded outlook on life, etc.

I don't mean to tar all WLs with the same brush, but as a general overall tendency i think its probably true.

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I wasn't going to weight into this debate but since you mention about the trustworthyness of a WLs I want to give my two cents, I totally agree with Brother Jj999's earlier comments, most of these working ladies actually earn a lot more money than you and I, and eventhough they work in the sex industry, they are providing a great human services to the community and they use their bodies and services to earn a honest living, they should not be trusted more or less than any other ladies, they deserve the usual respects we give everyone else.

The two example you brought up: a street hooker and a random club girl are extreme cases, I think 90% of the brothers in this forum when they punt, do not pick up street walkers and if you pick up an one night stand from the club, it's up to you to be careful with your valuables.

So your statement of: "but i think the WL would be more likely to do so." is very questionable.

Personally I have been punting for more than 20 years and I have never been stolen on anything in a shop and no reason to be on high alert. But I also take extra care if I have a big amount of cash on me (like after a big win in the casino!), I will put most of the money away in other pockets (like back pockets of my pants where there is a button) and just leave a few hundreds in the wallet. That is Not to say the WL/ML are high risk, I am just being careful.

My two cents.

Cheers

You can at least know where a WL works, she's not likely to quit her job for a small amount of money, whereas a girl picked up from the street might disappear forever !

"When some poor schmuk writes a bad A/R or dares to criticise her attitude or behaviour he is rubbished mercilissly whilst the W/L is defended as JOAN OF ARC /MOTHER THERESA /FLORENCE NIGHTINGALE all wrapped up in one package. Hypocritical/double standards??? I THINK SO!!!!!!"


Numberonebigsize, you must be thinking of the recent fabulous Sammi threads and poor KickAss who complained he was later 'hung, drawn and quartered" after he posted a few negative remarks about his experience with Sammi (that weren't even very negative at all.)

But I think our defence of the ladies shows one of the best qualties we men have. Our chivalry. It is a positive quality, a little self-deluding perhaps, but not hypocritical, because our protective instincts towards beautiful members of the weaker sex is natural to us. It is a poetic quality we have. It makes us feel good, and it makes the ladies feel good too.

As for the rest of this debate, I am honestly more comfortable living my life in a state of trust and seeing and believing in the good of people.

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Originally Posted by Sextus

"When some poor schmuk writes a bad A/R or dares to criticise her attitude or behaviour he is rubbished mercilissly whilst the W/L is defended as JOAN OF ARC /MOTHER THERESA /FLORENCE NIGHTINGALE all wrapped up in one package. Hypocritical/double standards??? I THINK SO!!!!!!"


Numberonebigsize, you must be thinking of the recent fabulous Sammi threads and poor KickAss who complained he was later 'hung, drawn and quartered" after he posted a few negative remarks about his experience with Sammi (that weren't even very negative at all.)

But I think our defence of the ladies shows one of the best qualties we men have. Our chivalry. It is a positive quality, a little self-deluding perhaps, but not hypocritical, because our protective instincts towards beautiful members of the weaker sex is natural to us. It is a poetic quality we have. It makes us feel good, and it makes the ladies feel good too.

As for the rest of this debate, I am honestly more comfortable living my life in a state of trust and seeing and believing in the good of people.

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You took the words right out of my mouth bro !

Watch out Moonlighter, don't you know are dealing with Galactus, Devourer of Worlds?

As per my comments above, it is truly better to live your life with an open, trusting heart. The rewards are far greater than the very, very rare losses. If I lived ten years with an open heart regarding working ladies, and lost $200 out of my wallet to one of them in that period, that is still the world's greatest value in your own favour I think.

Nevetheless, I've had no problem at all with WL's, ever.

I like them, alot. I might like to talk filth to them sometimes, throw in a sexy insult to them now and then, but that is just a sexual game. Afterwards, I am just lovely, gentle Sextus once more.

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Originally Posted by Galactus

If you think about it statistically, Im willing to bet that WLs have a far higher rate of drug dependency than the general population. This is a major reason why many girls choose to get into the business. I think an addiction to drugs could potentially make some WLs more likely to resort to theft, if the opportunity arose. As you say though, if they work in a shop theres likely to be less opportunity.

Im not suggesting WLs should not be trusted under any circumstances. Indeed, there are some WLs i trust completely. I just think its just sensible, particularly when seeing an ML for the first time, to realise the factors at play that can influence a persons decison to adopt this lifestyle.

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You know bro.
I was going to say the same thing as bro Ahlungor.
I want to ask, how many of you guys have lost money or anything in a brothel? Or when you go to incall services of escort agencies?

But I felt this would stray too far off bro altgourami feeling to a certain WL.

But then, I saw the title.
Never trust a WL.
Okay. Then this is not straying too far.

So, I tell you bro. Don't only look for their faults. Okay, you are doing generalising, then I'm going to do that.
Why you keep looking for the bad?
Why don't you also see the good?
It's not all bad in a WL. You know? You think, why they would work a job that is embarassing for them? They are females. Do you think they are happy to be seen naked by >6 males everyday?
It's money. Why for money, they would go very far.
It's because they have something, that they love, they care for, and in dire need of money.
If you can think bad things a WL might have, why can't you think the good thing?

Do you think, the reason for them to work, is just as simple as drug dependency? Or gambling addiction?
LoL.
I would bet my own dick, significant portion of them is because they need money for something they love, they care for, anything.
Only god knows who are they.

Drugs dependency.
I HAVEN'T seen AN EVIDENCE. A STATISTICAL STUDY, showing that WLs have higher rate of drugs addiction.
But, I can also see why they are more prone to drugs addiction. However, I believe, what I SEE is quite different to the ond you see.

Do you know, some people start drugs because of depression?
And they keep using drugs because of depression?
So, unless extreme cases of hopeless addicts, i guess, most WL who use drugs, and continue to use them, because of depression. Just because reason of minor-intermediate addiction, I don't think anyone would do this job.
What depression? A lots of factor contribute to that.
By the way, hopeless addicts, won't get a job in sex industry. Owner eyes aren't blind. They know who aren't to be hired. And a hopeless addict, you can identify them with a quick glance. Right? Are you getting my logic?

Factors that I can think of, in no particular order of importance except my own desire to write it:

- ONE. Customers who judge them real bad. For me, these groups of people, are the real hypocrite. They said WL aren't good, lies, cold heart, etc.
They keep saying bad things. But then, why they keep looking for WLs with good attitude? You want your money to get value. But later get hurt themselves. And blamed everything on the WL.
After that, they look for another WL with great attitude, lovely, GFE, BBBJ, DTBBBJ, DFK, CIMWS, etc. any abbreviation you can think of. maybe next time we would see a WL with the feel of your own secret wife. Maybe the abbrev. would be SWE.

- TWO. The REASON THAT CAUSED THEM to work this job.
This must be a real big reason to make them work this job. True?
And a big problem it is. So, may I ask you, have you ever felt really depressed that you feel you want to die?
That's nothing. This is double of it. Why? Because the problem make them feel better to die, but they can't, they would love to, but because there are other human beings whom they loved, and need them. They think about that, if they have gone to hell, then what would happen to them they love?

- THREE. Bad customers. This is a serious problem.
I don't want to start racism fight here.
So I try my best. And please if you respond to this, DO NOT SAY ANY RACIST WORDS.
Girls have their reason to ban specific customer(s), they don't do it out of random decision made in split second.
I know a lady, that ban specific customers, but still see a couple of regulars of the same group that is banned. Why? Those two are handsome? Hardly. Those two asset are of her preference? Hardly.
Because, those two, she knows that most probably, they won't hurt her.
Why she knows that? Because before, she banned no one. After few months of working, she made that big decision. That is big. Because the group banned was a significant part of her income. That's of course not because some random reason such as FengShui, or Astrology. That's because she has to choose, whether she can reluctantly accept because of their scare, but might be haunted with her traumatic experience.
Apparently, she is the taste of the group being banned.
And don't ask me who she is. She is a memory from the past. A memory ages ago. I forgot her, because she wasn't quite my type.
And I've got my experience of hunting for hidden gem.

Some shop, well, most shops, allow girl to choose. That's the rule. However, have you ever think about shop condition?
What if the shop is filled with significant proportion of customers that is being banned?
What happens, when she reluctantly accept customers that she actually doesn't accept, if everything is doing okay, that's fine. If something bad happen, then the effect is amplified.

So in regards to point number three, and combine it with point number two, do you think, WLs are a product who doesn't have heart? What if you were in her position? How can you run this hard life?
Combined with limited english, limited knowledge of the area, limited knowledge of shops. And also, because of poor financial condition, she also got starts to work very early.

If you later won't turn to drugs as your escape.
We would like to give you a standing ovation.



That's some of the reason. There are heaps more that you can think of.

So do you think, people that is doing all of those sacrifices for their loved one, cared one, is only filled with bad thing?
How about we see ourselves, would we do the same thing if you/me/we were in their position.
Or would we choose to die?

Me, I'm sorry. I'd say, I prefer to die. I never imagined living with pressure like that.
I'd just try to avoid problem like that.



So bro Galactus, how about you start to list the good stuffs?
:smile:

It took me forever to write that.

Sorry if that sounds really boring.
But I believe, that would help guys who have prejudice against WL to throw away their prejudice. That means, help you to become a better human.


Not necessarily a better husband tho. :smile: :miao: :cool2:

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Originally Posted by Galactus

Oh look at this guy jumping to all sorts of ill informed conclusions.

So, did you ever meet a young child who said she wanted to be a WL when she grows up? No. Why? - because women are often forced into this profession as a result of sheer desperation and exposure to the cruelties and inequities of life - including poverty, abuse and drug addiction ... It is these same factors that may make some WLs more likely to feel the need to steal and act dishonestly.

This does not apply to all, or necessarilly even most, WLs. But as a generalised trend would I say that some WLs are more likely to act dishonesty compared to non-WLs? Aye.

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I never met a young child who said they wanted to be an accountant when they grew up either. Therefore all accountants must be drug addicts...

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Originally Posted by Galactus

This does not apply to all, or necessarilly even most, WLs. But as a generalised trend would I say that some WLs are more likely to act dishonesty compared to non-WLs? Aye.

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Hi Brother Galactus,

The first part of your comments were OK, and sure, if some WLs are on drugs and there is an opportunity inside the room with the wallet unattended, she will probably be tempted.

But then I suppose your generalisation should be drug addicts instead of WLs. because as far as I know, there will be less than 5% of all WLs and MLs in Sydney that are drug addicts. Street walkers may be a different story.

Therefore, I have to disagree with your point on: Would I say that some WLs are more likely to act dishonesty compared to non-WLs? Aye.

This is just wrong mate !!

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Originally Posted by enigma775

I never met a young child who said they wanted to be an accountant when they grew up either. Therefore all accountants must be drug addicts...

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Brilliant!

this thread has let me down, i was expecting juicy gossip. Nothing interesting at all.

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Originally Posted by Galactus

Oh look at this guy jumping to all sorts of ill informed conclusions.

So, did you ever meet a young child who said she wanted to be a WL when she grows up? No. Why? - because women are often forced into this profession as a result of sheer desperation and exposure to the cruelties and inequities of life - including poverty, abuse and drug addiction ... It is these same factors that may make some WLs more likely to feel the need to steal and act dishonestly.

This does not apply to all, or necessarilly even most, WLs. But as a generalised trend would I say that some WLs are more likely to act dishonesty compared to non-WLs? Aye.

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How about you think again.

If they know they can steal to earn, why would they work this job?
Stealing is less dehumanising. Dehumanising from the point of view of haters, hypocrites, etc. which I still believe, even though it is somewhat shaken now, you are not one of these

I'll explain to you.
I have a pride.
If one day, I were to have no money. I were out of choices and opportunities.
I would rather die of hunger than to steal.
I would rather die as a human who do no harm to others than as a human who is known to steal.
You may say anything, but I'm a proud creature.
If I were a female, even though being WLs are not stealing, I think my pride, is somewhat a coward. I would rather run away from life than to do that job. I would rather die.

I commend those WLs, they have the guts to do this job. They are women. Same shit as my mom. neither they nor my mom eat rocks. The only significant different, is only a job they had done.
Can I accept my mom if later she revealed to me that she was a WL? Yes, I can. Why not?
What if I change 'mom' to my girlfriend? Yes I can. Why not?
Well, actually my brother was dating a WL few years ago.

And dishonesty, no, I don't believe that. You said it yourself, it doesn't apply maybe even to MOST WL.
So how is that going to differ with a non-WL? (A non-WL is assumed as mostly honest person, in your story. Unless you believe this world is a dream world where everyone is honest, I can still argue about this with you)

You are taking back what you have spit, then you spit it again.
Then, do you think this world is filled with honest people?

Do you know what makes the world go round? It is money. If they choose to be a WL rather than a thief. That means, they still know that it would better to do this than stealing from others.
I know what they felt. I have that pride too, it's just that I don't have the guts to be a WL if I were born as a female.

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Originally Posted by enigma775

I never met a young child who said they wanted to be an accountant when they grew up either. Therefore all accountants must be drug addicts...

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Wow.
Brilliant.
Sir, you are a scholar. Brilliant.
Salute.

I didn't think of a short check-mate response.

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Originally Posted by HookedonHookerz

this thread has let me down, i was expecting juicy gossip. Nothing interesting at all.

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You want juicy stuff ??

Have you read my review in the Private section ??

You may be interested.......haha

Cheers

:smile:

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Originally Posted by altgourami

Being scammed is easily overcome. This one is definitely broken heart territory.

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They don't call them "cunts" for nothing !!!

ANY girl can scam you or break your heart. Recently, a mate of mine was *told* on a Saturday morning by his *wife* of 12 years, "I never loved you. I don't know why I married you. You're boring. I'm leaving. You can keep the kids with you."

Her timing was impeccable ... it was on Saturday, the day before Father's Day. He has four kids, all under 10. It was all he could do to call his mum and me. When I arrived he was a bawling mess in the living room with his kids. The bitch had left, apparently to shack up with another man that she had met at a Light Opera Company she had joined.

Now, my friend is a great guy. He works full time, picks kids up from swimming, tennis, or cubs on the way home from work, does all the laundry and the yard at home. He finds time for Nippers on Sunday morning with his son, to build a dolls house for one daughter and a cubby house for another. The list goes on. Of course he's fuckin' boring ... that's what happens when you have kids!!!

He married his childhood sweetheart and spoiled her constantly. I do baby sitting duty 2-3 times every year and his parents also do a few shifts while he took his wife to dinner. On wedding anniversaries he'd make a night of it, booking a hotel in town or having a short break to Melbourne or the Blue Mountains. Fuck, I'd almost marry the guy myself!

... and the bitch said she never even loved him ...

Dude, it can happen to any of us. Just learn to pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and find another girl. The world is fuckin' full of nice girls.

Jj999,

Yes mate. More generally, I've had things stolen at a brothel. I'm now very careful to do a "count" on the way in ... and on the way out. I take just enough cash for the punt and I make a point of checking all the other items, watch, sunnies, etc, on the way out. Actually, I jam them all into my shoes as I undress and then dump my stinky undies on top ... that's the Kick Ass way, guys ...

A few years ago I lost a watch while punting. It just wasn't there to put on ... I didn't think of it at the time as I was escorted from one of Sydney's finest by a very hot blonde ... I'm also pretty sure that a $50 has been lifted once or twice.

I just want to also point out that the brother who started this thread has not been speaking for a while now, it seems brother Galactus has somehow taken over the debate. Nothing wrong with that, and he mostly making valid points, I just have problems with his generalisations,.

Cheers

I like to have parties at my place, usually people I know well. And ... in the last 5 years, two girls have stolen from me:

1. First girl stole a money box I had full of $2 coins. I was tipped off by another friend and went around to collect. She claimed she'd added her own money to the collection. I gave her the choice: hand over the lot or we'll get the police over.

2. Another girl, the ex gf of a mate, stole my grandfather's war medals. I didn't even know. Fuckin' cunt! They were in a cigar box. One of those old 1930's ones with a slider piece at the end to reveal a little secret spot for a clipper used to chop the end off cigars. Anyway, the clipper was missing and the damn slider wouldn't stay closed. So, I jammed my business card in there. The girl took the medals and cigar box to a pawn shop in Sydney. Apparently the pawnbroker thought the cigar box was worth more than the medals (perhaps my grandfather wasn't a hero afterall). He took it into the back room to get the end compartment open and my business card fell out. For some reason he got suspicious and decided to call me. Fuck! This bitch had been through the back of my wardrobe to get those. Some very nice police from Glebe met me at the pawnshop and we sorted everything out. I went back to the pawnshop the next day and tipped the two guys working a $20 each. They're really good blokes and didn't want my money, but I insisted. Fuck! There's luck for you !!!

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Originally Posted by HookedonHookerz

this thread has let me down, i was expecting juicy gossip. Nothing interesting at all.

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Bro HookedonHookerz, how about KickAss's recent contributions - pretty juicy! Sad, but juicy..

Fascinating range of views. I just want to let you all know it's not as bad as all that and I'll survive. The WL in question is now shacked up with a 24 yo in Parramatta overlooking Westfields car park so I personally think she's worse off but then again if he's keeping her nice and juicy who knows... maybe she's better off? I just feel she's lost out to BMWs, harbour views and overseas holidays in return for Western suburbs of Sydney... silly girl.

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Originally Posted by altgourami

Fascinating range of views. I just want to let you all know it's not as bad as all that and I'll survive. The WL in question is now shacked up with a 24 yo in Parramatta overlooking Westfields car park so I personally think she's worse off but then again if he's keeping her nice and juicy who knows... maybe she's better off? I just feel she's lost out to BMWs, harbour views and overseas holidays in return for Western suburbs of Sydney... silly girl.

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Excuse me..
I thought, with your post before..

Sorry. I guess that was misunderstanding in my part. Nothing important.

Nothing bad. It's just whether you are prepared or not. Seems like you prepared for all. Except you... So you lose as a....
Cannot find the right words. You might want to fill in the blanks yourself.

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Originally Posted by kickass

I like to have parties at my place, usually people I know well. And ... in the last 5 years, two girls have stolen from me:

1. First girl stole a money box I had full of $2 coins. I was tipped off by another friend and went around to collect. She claimed she'd added her own money to the collection. I gave her the choice: hand over the lot or we'll get the police over.

2. Another girl, the ex gf of a mate, stole my grandfather's war medals. I didn't even know. Fuckin' cunt! They were in a cigar box. One of those old 1930's ones with a slider piece at the end to reveal a little secret spot for a clipper used to chop the end off cigars. Anyway, the clipper was missing and the damn slider wouldn't stay closed. So, I jammed my business card in there. The girl took the medals and cigar box to a pawn shop in Sydney. Apparently the pawnbroker thought the cigar box was worth more than the medals (perhaps my grandfather wasn't a hero afterall). He took it into the back room to get the end compartment open and my business card fell out. For some reason he got suspicious and decided to call me. Fuck! This bitch had been through the back of my wardrobe to get those. Some very nice police from Glebe met me at the pawnshop and we sorted everything out. I went back to the pawnshop the next day and tipped the two guys working a $20 each. They're really good blokes and didn't want my money, but I insisted. Fuck! There's luck for you !!!

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Oh okay.
How about some others?

Not saying you support specific views. Just that your personal experience, supported him.
Does not necessarily means that you personally support his view.


And I want to say, I just don't like it when anyone has any prejudice against someone just because of job, age, origin, etc.
Esp. for WLs. While we are posting in this forum because we see WLs, at the same time, we are telling that they are thieves, swindlers, drug addicts, etc.
Man, I feel lucky I can understand their reasons. If not, I would really feel disgusted, because I would feel I am an hypocrite.

Oh by the way, I was doing generalising too bro. Because it was meant to go against bro Galactus' hypothesis.
So that long essays (lol) of my hypothesis, would apply to most WL. More than 50% should be considered 'most'.

Though, out of my own experience, my own samplings from WLs I've met (of course it costs me quite some $ for sessions, to made them believe me so they would tell me about this easily), I believe this particular reason for them to work "because they have someone they cared and/or they loved and in need of money." would apply to at least 80% WL.
By the way, I never intends to get free sex or anything, I was just trying to make them feel more comfortable everytime they meet me, because they know, a friend come to 'visit' her.
But by the time they believe me, 90% they would tell me their reason.

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Originally Posted by Jj999

It took me forever to write that.

Sorry if that sounds really boring.
But I believe, that would help guys who have prejudice against WL to throw away their prejudice. That means, help you to become a better human.


Not necessarily a better husband tho. :smile: :miao: :cool2:

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Bro jj999, good comment bro