I think he's having a go at u BW.
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I think he's having a go at u BW.
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Originally Posted by 4FofW
Clearly you’re having a stab and in general your attitude on here lately has been mostly unproductive. Really don’t know why you need to stir things up all the time?
If you were a little more congenial to the group some may choose to share such shops &/or girls that indeed do offer a service that is “just like a dream” - and at the $ BW has listed.
It’s quite standard at my circle of shops.
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Ok, please list on here your "circle of shops" where this is standard to show what a truly collegial person you are so we all can benefit, not like me who you seem to label as being facetious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddona
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I hope this isnt going to develop into a tit for tat bullshit thread like so many others.
All good mate, 4FofW just wanted to have a bit of harmless fun and I'm totally fine with thatQuote:
Originally Posted by reddoor
Before all the bullshit took over this was a good thread and a very valid point.
WHAT IS FAIR ?
Since I’m kinda stuck in the West for work and home I don’t have access to all the regular shops that are spoken about so regularly on here.
In saying that it’s kind of a burgeoning market out here and at time I find negotiating power is a bit more fair out here.
I’ve always operated on $60 for the massage and $40 for HJ finish. My experience is that will get a raft of experiences from the average massage and mechanical finish all the way to an exception massage to nude finish with touching and anything in between.
Lately I find the silent treatment works with text or message enquiries if I don’t like the price
I was enquiring via text with a girl in Redbank and I asked what rates she had, she came back with a $100 for hr massage and hand relief. I decided I wasn’t that hard up and left it at that with no reply, Half hour later another message came through and she offered me a discount down to $90. I countered with $80 and said that I would be over in a jiffy. Good massage and endin was great, I even patted her on the back for the price drop and told her that prices had gotten I but out of hand which she agreed.
If your area is saturated with shops I guess they are fighting for business. If it’s an established shop with regulars I guess they push to see how much people will pay before walking and other shops follow suit, and if your area is only getting the odd shop pop up then I guess prices will be low to start to draw people in.
I agree with brownwallaby when he says that if you break down what service you actually get and what you pay, you begin to rethink how much money you are prepared to part with.
Since moving back to Brisbane beginning of the year o have been doing the rounds and testing old shops new shops and private ML’s and while the strike rate is 50/50 price quality and location, price is the big decider when it come to feeling as though I got value for money.
Totally agree with all your points mate summed up wellQuote:
Originally Posted by onthesly42
I just got back from 4 days in Sydney and the going rate in every shop in CBD is $50 for naked with hj. ($65 for 60 min. massage)
At those prices, needless to say, i went for a massage everyday :) What a rip off brissy is, unfortunately
That's it ... I'm moving to Sydney.
But seriously ... I hope prices in Brisbane at least head in the same direction.
some members have given more than enough hints where to look in Bris to get Sydney rates (or better)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kowabunga
I started this thread and now after 2/3 wks what have we learnt?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kowabunga
1. It would seem that there is a wide range of pricing in Brisbane.
2. Some say Sydney like prices are available in Brisbane but are unwilling to share. Saying there is a shop in SH is hardly helpful. Madonna has been quiet lately ...........not willing to share?
3. One thing is true - if we keep accepting the prices quoted then nothing will change. Next time walk in say what you want, name your price within reason and then be prepared to walk. We all know lots of shops are opening up and there is plenty of choice. Lately I have also found service is getting better and girls prepared to go further. So its up to us as a collective group. I am suggesting, as I did before, that 40 for massage and maybe 50 / 60 for nude HJ would be a good starting point.
If a girl is looking at 2 pineapples - $100- then this might motivate them to give an honest service. Also if they reject a decent offer tell them you will post on forums like this and name the shop.
Never forget we have the $ - they want the $. Too many punters let the little head dictate. Its time for a change! ( old labor slogan)
Just my ideas
"Also if they reject a decent offer tell them you will post on forums like this and name the shop.".................
And what exactly should we say on an open public forum, that girl "x" wanted too much for illegal service "y" at shop "z". Good way to get banned from shops and dumped on by other members of forum.
Guys you need to stand up that is the only way things will change
shane
Blackmail and persuasion sometimes doesn't require disclosure ...just the threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by reddoor
in the bygone era, some girls gave advanced services then let customers decide how much to tip. They would say ‘up to you’ at the end of the session. I wonder if you remember these names: Tiffany and Jessica (Bamboo); Bree and Julie (Amore); Sunny (Ocean Star); Bella and Lucy (GTM); Moruka (Mozhi)
I dont want to threaten or blackmail anyone and i especially would'nt reveal im a member of any forum to them. If i get to know a girl and she is extra nice to me because i did'nt quibble over what she's worth then i think it's my money well spent.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4FofW
I think the problem is that this is not a one size fits all scenario. U have guys who just can't afford that extra 20 bucks and guys who don't care about an extra 100 bucks, and i can tell u it's the latter who can get the bookings of the former moved or switched to another girl. Not saying thats right or wrong but it is a fact.
Some good points made by Mr Wallaby and Redd........but it would appear to me that they are saying that if you can't afford it then you can't get it. We can you can't so too bad or if you want it you have to spend the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by reddoor
As many of you know overseas in places like Cambodia, Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia etc certain Asian groups inc Koreans and Chinese are coming into the market over paying and driving the price up. So what was once a good place to visit is now wrecked. If the Chinese come here and start paying inflated prices will punters with deep pockets here match those prices? When the Chinese say we can you can't too bad will they sing the same tune?
This thread is just a discussion thinker, to ponder, and achieve a fair outcome for all.....As I said what's fair? Is it simple economics - what the market is prepared to pay that should be the price?
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Blackmailing or extorting an ML is a fairly low act, and you expect people to tell you where their favourite shops are so you can try it with their regulars?
Madonna has earned his chops long ago. I suggest you do the same before you try to crticise him.
Its funny how some people want to preach morality when they are engaging in activities that are illegal. I suppose there has to one to cast the first stone.Quote:
Originally Posted by ecchi.gaijin
Some would say morality and law are mutually exclusive. I think what is being “preached” here is Respect. Your suggestions indicate you don’t seem to have any. Happy to be proven otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4FofW
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If ecchi.g is preaching about respect it would seem a very juvenile argument often heard by the younger ignorant generation that " you have to earn respect to get respect" thus I assume the comment "Madonna has earned his chops long ago. I suggest you do the same before you try to crticise him."
It could be argued that Western society's norms of morality set the tone of the law although I do agree that law and morality can be mutually exclusive - one only has to site Korean law and what is morally right.
My original issue was people citing prices and performance that many of us on here do not get and wanting some direction to the " circle of shops where this is standard".
Now I'm sure many punters are not interested in some philosophical discussion about law, morality etc so I won't go on and on. As previously stated my intention of this thread was to get some fairness in Brisbane pricing and performance.
I don't believe asking those who have earned their chops long ago to enlighten us to where these shops are is too much to ask. I'm sure in their infant days of mongering they received good intelligence from seasoned punters.
As paddington, a shop owner from Sydney remarked we have to stand up (collectively) if we want things to change. Interesting comment too coming from one who you would think is in the business of keeping prices as high as possible.
Of course thats what im saying, when is it ever not like that. Im not making any apologies for being able to afford to pay for what i want. If some guys on here can get it for free or want to spend half their time haggling thats their business. As for being "too bad" for guys who miss out, what r they missing out on? If u walk into a shop armed to the teeth with 50 bucks and expect the world your a dickhead. If your happy with your lot for 50 bucks then your a winner. If i give the same girl x amount of dollars and she goes up a few notches for me so what, the first guy has'nt missed out because he was never in the running to get more than his 50's worth anyway. I dont know how u feel about the girls that have to do this but just put yourself in their position, and yeah some r real cows, but would u do it, would u let some smelly prick stick his tongue in u, let him kiss u let him fuck u, would u go down on him. This is what a lot of them r faced with all the time, just to get beaten down on the price afterwards. I try and stick to a select few these days that r truely wonderful and good value now so no price mentioned anymore. And by the way im not Chinese. Cheers man. Anyway im going out to dinner with my fav... Now where did i put the keys to the Ferrari.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4FofW
I'm in agreeance with $100 mark for an hours massage and touchy feely hj. although happy to put out a little extra if we start talking bj instead and have found a few of them of late. :love:
How ever I am also a big believer in, that if you have to ask more than once to get compliance on any particular service extra, then it should be left alone and if the $ value for standard or other extra is to high I'll walk rather than argue.
I stopped in at a particular shop one afternoon last year and the yl that I saw was visibly upset and had been crying. When I asked what had upset her, she told me how her previous client had been so rude and demanding hurling verbal abuse at her to the point where one of the other girls had to step in to shut this wanker up . All because she didn't want to put out. Good thing I wasn't there to hear it :anger: A kind voice and respectful attitude goes a long way, and with out a doubt when you see one girl from a particular shop on a regular basis favours generally flow freely
Ill start by apologizing as being nieve and being a major part of the problem.
I am by no means a good money earner.
I actually save to get my services so only get to one every 2nd week or more.
I am the worst negotiator in history and the little head is a very powerful evil in my life.
This said i crave hot young ml's or FS ladies.
I actually "struggle" with the older ones even tho they offer more, cost less and give a better overall service.
So i have punted ALOT i think over the years chasing the challenge of FS with the hot young ml's. I have succeeded on my first visit a couple of times because i am very charming and talkative. But i always and uncontrollably pay full price on extras and most times offer more thinking it will help get me to the goal im chasing.
I have 2 downfalls to my goal 1 is the "size" problem (no bs honest) as most of us will know most asian ladies are quite small and have no interest in (as i was quoted tonight) being destroyed.
My second downfall is i have never had "regulars" due to my gap between visits they always forget that i have seen them before or more commonly leave to another shop.
After reading this thread i am going to do my best to keep my spending under control.
Its going to be a hard fight but we need to stick together so i can get more services more regularly 🤣🤣😉😉.
Any tips on bargaining techniques that actually work let me know because i am totally useless at it.