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It was a drug raids operations, got nothing to do with the shop being a massage parlour !!
Articles in the Telegraph today, the 45 yr old mamasan owns 4 brothels !! While the police raided the shop, simultaneously they also raided her home !
That's a $2.5M mansion just 5 min away from the Hornsby shop. I guess the mansion was paid for by the drug money rather than profits from running those FS brothels ! What do you guys think ??
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Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR
Well I imagine one is at least as profitable as the other , probably more so. Did it mention which other brothels she owned?
Yes that house is in Highlands Avenue Wahroonga. Looks pretty nice. Crime paid .. until she got caught. And while there is a presumption of innocence, it would appear that she at least is looking at a significant jail term. And possibly her 28 year old employee who was in court today.
Which raises the question, what happens to the 4 brothels she owns. I would think council might object to someone with a conviction for a serious offence or offences carried out in one of those brothels actually having a licence to operate one. Assuming she is convicted. And it surely ain’t looking good.
Did it say if she got bail?
Its amazing that people still think they can get away with selling drugs. Desperation clouds judgement. Anyone distributing or selling lethal illicit drugs should be given massive lengthy jail sentences, to be a message to the community
For those who have lost the children to the drug scourge, nothing less than the death penalty is sufficient justice
News from Sth Aust yesterday reported that a Chinese guy living in Aust on a refugee visa appeared in court charged with money laundering.
He had apparently been involved in running a nationwide prostitution ring.
More unwanted publicity. The greed and risk taking of a few individuals is just going to make it tougher for the operators that are trying to run their businesses without attracting unwanted attention.
Agreed CountryPunter. As punters we can play a small part. Call out to the management any ML/WL bringing in drugs to your room. Do whatever you feel like during the session, you are breaking no law. But need to let boss know on the way out. Maybe they are involved too. But you are warning them that its not good for business
If you prefer your pasttime of punting to be badly impacted by negative press, frightened Councils, and a NSW Premier under pressure to crack down on brothels and massage shops, then turn a blind eye. The standard you walk past is the standard you accept
FFS
let’s not wallow and toss n turn needlessly
Are you seeing the tactical guys donning their belts and kicking in doors
Maybe let’s instigate a punt pride day ???
Anyone interested
No. Im seeing bad publicity kicking down the quiet little scene we used to have in punting. Reputation doesnt mean much to someQuote:
Originally Posted by liminal
DudeQuote:
Originally Posted by murphy
a.this thread doesn’t need maudlin and
B. personally I think you are chewing your bottom lip to readily . No offence intended
P.S youre Not interested in outing yourself and supporting punt pride ?
Im with you as soon as I understand what you are on aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by liminal
As you ask ...Quote:
Originally Posted by murphy
I can only refer you to your own posts
As for punt pride and as you seem so outraged ... come March with
Me on parliament , I’ll bringthe printed bonds tee for you.. what size ?
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Some girls do say that some customers bring drugs to the shops to take with the girls. If the girl is smart she won't participate with the customers. As to whether the customers do this in order to get the girl addicted and then have them as one of their clients is a possibility. In the end, what happens behind closed rooms is sometimes out of the hands of brothel owners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niceguy11
Thanks FMH for all the sound advice. I will add one point after my recent dealings with the law. My legal advice explained that you don't (shouldn't) say anything at all to the police without your solicitor with you. You may be derided or hassled but in the long run, if you are an innocent person, you will be ok. And if your not, then get the solicitor fast. In the world we are dealing in the Police are only really interested in criminal activity. They don't get paid more for being nice. They get promoted because they have done something good. Drugs busts are headlines. And in the end the majority of the population consider drugs a scourge on society and are happy for the police to catch drug dealers, suppliers and manufacturers. The problem I experienced was that the truth got lost in the bravado of the arrests. Explanation and interpretation got lost in the language barrier that exists in all our favourite shops. And most WL have a real and genuine fear of police (chinese in particular) and being deported for visa violations. The police will use this fear to their advantage and bingo. You said, they said and before you know anything, someone is under the bus. It is not a crime to visit or partake in a legal brothel. In fact it makes perfect sense if sex is what you chose. Just stay within the law of the day and all will be ok.
Just to add something further about the bust at 142 Hornsby. The reports all stated "after a 6 months investigation " FMH may be able to add more again, but I would guess that includes surveillance, maybe phone tapping. After the bust I am sure that all phone records and any documents found would be being examined for the purpose of building the case against the accused. Is there a possibility that innocent punters could be asked questions about what they know, saw or heard simple because they went to 142 during this time. I am not one (never been) but can the police ask you questions because of your association with the shop?
I’m neither a lawyer priest. Nor copQuote:
Originally Posted by trampslikeus55
I think the answer is yes ... IF .. If you are deemed relevant to the investigation
Though if you sent a text on your punt phone enquiring about your fave and was she available for a pay day BJ , then I think not
Like Trumps solicitor, your solicitor would need to be able to pick up the phone during punting hours, and you are cool with telling him you are in a brothel. An at call solicitor. Not sure if there are solicitors that specialise in after hours punting escapadesQuote:
Originally Posted by trampslikeus55
In NSW at least if your solicitor is present then you can not remain silent, you must answer. If your solicitor is not present then you have the right to remain silent. If you are innocent it may not mean much if they need a scapegoat. Depending on the circumstances the less you say to cops the better since it may come back to bite you.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampslikeus55
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Originally Posted by trampslikeus55
I would really doubt this. As you say they would have surveillance from 6 months, possibly phone tap recordings. They would have observed any dealers coming and going and no doubt followed them back to their source. They have enough evidence it seems from what they found on the day and presumably from the investigation to form a case against the people they want at the brothel which was predominantly the owner. If they did not have substantial evidence both she and her male employee would have been granted bail and not kept locked up. That tells you all you need to know.
So if you were an occasional or even regular punter there I would not be concerned.
Also , stating what we all know I guess, they are still closed and there is no indicative opening date.
Anyone going to to that shop could be considered a potential buyer of drugs, and your intentions could be questioned.
If your wife found out you got sprung, what would you tell her? I was there for a fuck, or I was there picking us up some weed for tonight?
Weeds pretty passe. Its cheap and is a depressant not an excitant. Surely the only deal in town in selling cocaine or ice. Thats what has street cred. These are the main party drugsQuote:
Originally Posted by aussiegaigin
Cocaine fries your nasal septum and triggers blocked arteries and heart attacks. Ive seen that happen.
Ice totally fries your brain, damaging your higher executive function and leaves you a vegetable
Specialists in the field know that drug decriminalisation is a stupid idea for these two most popular drugs
You can tell your wife you f-ked up your life as you are visited in the psychiatry unit, with the fan photo of Ben Cousins on your slimy wall. Your wife can tell your kids and family you are no long able to hold down a job and that you are a caved in f--k up loser
This is not quite correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by CunningLinguist
You don't lose the right to remain silent, if a lawyer is there or not.
What changes is that if a lawyer shows up, the cops can tell you that if you don't say something right then and you later use at that at the trial to attempt to defend yourself, the Government/Prosecutor can tell a jury at an eventual trial that they are allowed to make a negative view of your failure to tell the cops in their interviews about whatever it was. In effect they get to tell the Jury that you're guilty until proven innocent than the other way around.
If your lawyer doesn't show up, then the cops can't do that and you can simply shut up and later on you can tell the cops or not, and then use it in a trial without the punishment of the Prosecutor telling the jury that you're an evil bad man for not telling the cops straight away about your defence.
The result is that lawyers no longer show up at the cop shop, and instead you wait until the cops release you to talk to the lawyer.
Another related law is that the Government changed so that you have to tell the cops any alibi you've given them over a month before the trial starts. Which means the cops can spend a month and a half picking things apart to make you look bad at the trial when you would otherwise have your lawyer show up at the trial and the first thing out of his mouth was "my client was at x location at x time, he is innocent".
At the end of the day, no matter what the cops say, if you're hauled into an interview room or worse, charged, then SHUT THE FUCK UP until they release you, then let a lawyer deal with everything. Cops do not give a shit about the truth of what you tell them once they target you, all they care about is putting you in prison.
Nothing you can say in an interview will help you avoid prison but anything you do say may end up putting you in one.
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Thanks for the clarification, I really like this last bit !Quote:
Originally Posted by eltran
Some info: https://nswcourts.com.au/articles/po...-is-exercised/
Simple rule: As long as punters arent ringing or texting ahead to book a WL and some drugs, they have nothing to fear. If they are in phone contact with dealers, they are implicated in the drug syndicates crimes
Police investigators love getting dealers contacts as a means of gauging the scale of thr business