Going rate for part 3?

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Originally Posted by magickid3801

with rnt if you tell the ML before the session starts that you want to fuck , you can get away with paying $50 extra on top of massage price. Then if she refuses walk, threaten to walk out and she'll change her mind ASAP watch.

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Hopefully you'll be walking a lot then, kid.

An ML has no obligation whatsoever to actually do anything sexual to you or for you. Only licensed Brothels do. And even then, its at the consent of the WL to actually agree to take you as a customer.

Not sure if you are aware of that fact.

Of course an ML will see if they can get more. If they can why not? Just be polite and seek to agree on $50. If they want to stick to $100, just decline politely and enjoy the rest without dummy spitting and "threatening" anything.

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Originally Posted by nostromo

Seems to me like a pretty straight forward way of burning any working relationship and good will with shop owners, receptionists and MLs which may actually get you part 3.

But give it a try, let us know how it goes.

Or just go to a FS shop and save yourself potential trouble.

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nah incorrect, i feel like it stregnthens it coz ML becomes comfortble, knows what you want and she just mentally gets herself ready and when she sees you next time is excited and knows what product you are buying so to speak

i have a ML that offers me FS for 45 mins @ $90 (massage + extra for FS)

idk maybe works better for me because i am young and she is a bit of a milf and wants young dick? idk lol

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Originally Posted by F0x

Hopefully you'll be walking a lot then, kid.

An ML has no obligation whatsoever to actually do anything sexual to you or for you. Only licensed Brothels do. And even then, its at the consent of the WL to actually agree to take you as a customer.

Not sure if you are aware of that fact.

Of course an ML will see if they can get more. If they can why not? Just be polite and seek to agree on $50. If they want to stick to $100, just decline politely and enjoy the rest without dummy spitting and "threatening" anything.

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i obviously am courteous and do not cause a scene in the shop, its just like when you haggle with a car salesman and they say they cant do a better price even though the other car salesman down the road can do a better price.

I just simply say okay if you cant do it at that price i simply walk.

i'm a consumer of a service so i am entitled to seek the best and affordable rate and not be ripped off

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Originally Posted by nostromo

Seems to me like a pretty straight forward way of burning any working relationship and good will with shop owners, receptionists and MLs which may actually get you part 3.

But give it a try, let us know how it goes.

Or just go to a FS shop and save yourself potential trouble.

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This.....Punters have their pet hates, as do ML's and hagglers/tight arses are right up the top of that list. Causing a scene to save a couple of bucks is a shit go. You also have to wonder how part 3 is really going to be like at that point anyway.

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Originally Posted by Raybo

This.....Punters have their pet hates, as do ML's and hagglers/tight arses are right up the top of that list. Causing a scene to save a couple of bucks is a shit go. You also have to wonder how part 3 is really going to be like at that point anyway.

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like i said i dont cause i scene, if ML is happy with price i offer that i am willing to pay then happy days and we continue, if not, then i politely say okay thank you sorry for wasting your time and i walk out simple.

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Originally Posted by magickid3801

i obviously am courteous and do not cause a scene in the shop, its just like when you haggle with a car salesman and they say they cant do a better price even though the other car salesman down the road can do a better price.

I just simply say okay if you cant do it at that price i simply walk.

i'm a consumer of a service so i am entitled to seek the best and affordable rate and not be ripped off

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Good to hear you are polite.

Negotiatong with an ML isnt the same as haggling a car down.

The car saleman isnt the one sucking you off or copping dick from you. You arent directly asking the car you are driving to make itself cheaper.

If you have an ML which is happy with your methods, then happy days for you

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Originally Posted by magickid3801

with rnt if you tell the ML before the session starts that you want to fuck , you can get away with paying $50 extra on top of massage price. Then if she refuses walk, threaten to walk out and she'll change her mind ASAP watch.

Reason why people pay $100 is when the ML has gotten them horny and literally has them by the balls asking them ridiculous amount for extra

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Wtfff I just read !!
Bloody hell no idea at all.

You might as well go to a fs shop...

Obviously u don't get very far or earn their trust !

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Originally Posted by magickid3801

like i said i dont cause i scene, if ML is happy with price i offer that i am willing to pay then happy days and we continue, if not, then i politely say okay thank you sorry for wasting your time and i walk out simple.

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You have hit paydirt with a couple of ML's but the vast majority of them would (and should) be insulted if you got in the room with them and offered the same amount of money they would get for a nude wristie.....regardless of how 'polite or 'courteous' you were.

Wouldn't surprise me if the shops you walked out of would let you back in.

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Originally Posted by Raybo

You have hit paydirt with a couple of ML's but the vast majority of them would (and should) be insulted if you got in the room with them and offered the same amount of money they would get for a nude wristie.....regardless of how 'polite or 'courteous' you were.

Wouldn't surprise me if the shops you walked out of would let you back in.

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i frequent the same shops all the time lmaooo

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Originally Posted by magickid3801

i frequent the same shops all the time lmaooo

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Yes and cursed the shit out of you behind your back...stuipd !!!
Lmaooo

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Originally Posted by woods23

Yes and cursed the shit out of you behind your back...stuipd !!!
Lmaooo

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Brother Woods,

What is Lmaooo ?

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Originally Posted by magickid3801

i frequent the same shops all the time lmaooo

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Oh, you said you walk out if they can't meet your demands? So you go try again at the same shop another day if they decline?

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Originally Posted by magickid3801

Some of the successful stories include Arncliffe Massage (I recommend going on a Saturday and seeing Apple very busty and is basically a Pornstar Experience mixed with a bit of GFE)

Also Qcherry in Hurlstone Park/Canterbury provides excellent service all girls are <30 and extremely solid

Massage Centre Hurstville up the road from Shell petrol station towards King Georges Road ( 3/438 Forest Rd, Hurstville) cant miss it next to a furniture/light store, again some young girls some milfs but once you say $50 tip before hand for FS you get, sometimes try and haggle and are stubborn for $60-$70 extra but still less than $100

Once you say you want FS upfront ML knows your intentions and its either she provides that service or misses out on the money and you walk and find another store that provides great service at that price. NOTE: this method works most effectively when dealing with the ML herself and paying her the total fee for massage + extra (i assume she does a dodgy and incorrectly squares it off). This isnt as effective once you pay mamasan massage fee and then have to seperately negotiate and pay ML separately once in the room together.

P.s. Funny story back when i first started punting and wouldn't speak up before hand and waited for ML to dictate pricing i paid $100 extra just for a CBJ (ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS) but she had me by the balls coz i was horny and would have gotten blue balls otherwise :/

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Each to his own, obviously, and it's a free country, people can try and negotiate and get the best mileage for his cash !

But this part I don't understand:

If I read you correctly, you are saying if the massage fee is say $40/30 min, it's best to pay the $40 + $50 (your offered tips for FS) to the girl in total, rather than paying the $40 to the mamasan first and then just the $50 to the girl ? why would it make any different as the cut for the shop is set anyway !

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Originally Posted by Raybo

Oh, you said you walk out if they can't meet your demands? So you go try again at the same shop another day if they decline?

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I am gonna use that chart in my next presentation at work. Brilliant

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Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR

Each to his own, obviously, and it's a free country, people can try and negotiate and get the best mileage for his cash !

But this part I don't understand:

If I read you correctly, you are saying if the massage fee is say $40/30 min, it's best to pay the $40 + $50 (your offered tips for FS) to the girl in total, rather than paying the $40 to the mamasan first and then just the $50 to the girl ? why would it make any different as the cut for the shop is set anyway !

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Because psychologically ML thinks she is actually getting $90 until it gets squared off + once mamasan has the massage fee its like a nonrefundable deposit that you wont get back if you decide to walk out. Hence ML charges whatever she wants.

Whereas if you give the total to ML if you dont like the price she is offering for FS you just politely walk out and dont have to settle for a NHJ for $50 or a HJ or whatever she offers for the price of extra, no money/deposit lost

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Originally Posted by magickid3801

nah incorrect, i feel like it stregnthens it coz ML becomes comfortble, knows what you want and she just mentally gets herself ready and when she sees you next time is excited and knows what product you are buying so to speak

i have a ML that offers me FS for 45 mins @ $90 (massage + extra for FS)

idk maybe works better for me because i am young and she is a bit of a milf and wants young dick? idk lol

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Same happened to me once at 635 waterloo. Paid 70 or 75 total for FS 30 min and would have spent at least 1 hr in shop. Honestly I have no idea whats the massage rates are at this palce.

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Originally Posted by PervySage

I am gonna use that chart in my next presentation at work. Brilliant

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Lol..Thats a cool one

Brother magickid3801,

Don't border with some moron in the space. They want to pretend they are gentlemen, big spender and expert....

Factcheck (God I love this word)

1 Most ML are indeed WL these days, they just roster in a massage shop "trying" to make more money doing the same job, why should we tolerate them?
2 Shops business are down even the ones that are previously busy all day, so perfectly ok to push the price down.
3 Never believe that trust and friendship bullshit and let you $$$ do the talking.

Just to give you all an idea. a girl FS work in a shop that charges 90 . 30 mins and 150 / hr, they get pay 60-70 and 100-110 respectively.

When they roster in massage shop the shop charge 40 /30 mins and 60/ hr. They get 15-20 and 25-30 respectively. So you only need to tip to make up the difference. That's why the girls don't like 1 hr jobs in massage shops cos you have to do massage and sex it is still only $50 tip.

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Originally Posted by lonely heart

Factcheck (God I love this word)

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Your love must be fleeting, fact-check has a hyphen. :miao:

You just got to give it to brother LH!

He just knows the industry so well. One thing I can confirm is that stuff about FS girls working in a RnT shop on their days off to make more money. So I suppose if you run into these ladies , I won’t be too surprised if you get offers in part 3 on your first visit. Another situation I have heard was that some FS girls went to work in RnT shop during that time of the month ! Of course, they either keep the panties on or using the inserted tampon just no touching, they can still pretty much provide most services including a blow job but can’t work in FS, right ?

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Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR

You just got to give it to brother LH!

He just knows the industry so well. One thing I can confirm is that stuff about FS girls working in a RnT shop on their days off to make more money. So I suppose if you run into these ladies , I won’t be too surprised if you get offers in part 3 on your first visit. Another situation I have heard was that some FS girls went to work in RnT shop during that time of the month ! Of course, they either keep the panties on or using the inserted tampon just no touching, they can still pretty much provide most services including a blow job but can’t work in FS, right ?

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In short, what a wise punter one is to save money on getting fs in RnT ! ;) ;) ;)

The half hour massage plus fs in this case is more than going to a lot of fs places and get full sex from the start. If a massage girl will bend to accept $50 instead of $100 for fs as the kid said, she’s an wl, a cheap wl, he’ll be better going to see a wl.

Most RnT guys believe it’s an achievement to get fs from a massage girl, because they only do it for selected customers, ;) ;) ;) the fun is in the chase. But the kid said he’ll walk if the girl doesn’t accept $50 for fs, so why bother, there’s no chase involved, just bargaining, go to a brothel for the sure thing at a cheaper price !

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Originally Posted by lonely heart

Brother magickid3801,

Don't border with some moron in the space. They want to pretend they are gentlemen, big spender and expert....

Factcheck (God I love this word)

1 Most ML are indeed WL these days, they just roster in a massage shop "trying" to make more money doing the same job, why should we tolerate them?
2 Shops business are down even the ones that are previously busy all day, so perfectly ok to push the price down.
3 Never believe that trust and friendship bullshit and let you $$$ do the talking.

Just to give you all an idea. a girl FS work in a shop that charges 90 . 30 mins and 150 / hr, they get pay 60-70 and 100-110 respectively.

When they roster in massage shop the shop charge 40 /30 mins and 60/ hr. They get 15-20 and 25-30 respectively. So you only need to tip to make up the difference. That's why the girls don't like 1 hr jobs in massage shops cos you have to do massage and sex it is still only $50 tip.

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No one here is saying that punters need to throw money at MLs like a confetti party brother.

Just asking that magickid be polite when negotiating prices, which he has since said he is. We also now have some guidelines as to what a part 3 should cost should it be on offer.

To your points though,

1. Should we "tolerate" a WL trying to make more money as a ML by doing the "same" job?

Its not the same job, ive already mentioned that an ML has no obligation to do anything for you other than a massage. Given its completely up to her if she wants to (even though its very likely she will do something) technically she can charge whatever she likes, its up to you to accept. If you dont like the price, you can negotiate, just asking you to do so politely. If price isn't right then lots of FS shops.

EDIT: Obviously as a small detail, all inclusive shops like Sydney Empress, yes, given you have paid tips up front in the cost, they have NHJ/B2B included and are obliged to do so as part of the service.

2. Push the price down, business is low anyway...

Shops can only afford to give discounts if business is good. Overheads dont discount themselves, though the shop may dock pay from the girls to cover. Its a vicious cycle. With too many punters pressing for discounts, the shops likeliness of closing is high. Then, only the shops doing good business will remain which sounds good in theory... but means we have fewer shops which then hold a monopoly over the market. Which then leads to monopoly of prices and services. With no competition, those shops are free to do whatever they like. Now if those shops offer great girls at great prices, ok sure. But remember the line "free to do whatever they like".

Think Apple.
"OH MY GOD THEY PUT THE HEADPHONE JACK.... ON THE BOTTOM!!! Mind blown instant brand new revolution of the iPhone. Buy now! You got no other choice, only 1 type of iPhone, if you want an Apple phone.

I remember when a KFC 2 piece feed used to be SIX bucks. It's now like double at least. Why, because Red Rooster isn't even on the same planet as KFC as far as competition goes. So no one is challenging the Colonel. Your going to buy that at double the price because you can't buy it anywhere else.

3. Dont believe trust etc its bullshit all of it!

A quick look through your profile shows at least at the top seems Judy and Vivian are two favourites of yours. Why are they your favourites? Could it be you trust them to give you good service? Have they given you above and beyond what normally they should? (Didnt read your reviews yet) Perhaps their friendship (their perception of you, not yours)trust and comfort with you allows them to do that?

I know you are our resident bargain hunter (saw some wallet saving posts from you lol) and we appreciate it because not all of us can afford to punt big, hell im a prime example. I was gobsmacked by some of the figures in the "how much have you spent on punting" thread. To counter this I just punt less.

Just be a little easier on the girls who are copping your Dick for peanuts. They are just making a living, and i guarantee it ain't an easy job.

You don't want to be a lonely heart forever do you?

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Originally Posted by wilisno

In short, what a wise punter one is to save money on getting fs in RnT ! ;) ;) ;)

The half hour massage plus fs in this case is more than going to a lot of fs places and get full sex from the start. If a massage girl will bend to accept $50 instead of $100 for fs as the kid said, she’s an wl, a cheap wl, he’ll be better going to see a wl.

Most RnT guys believe it’s an achievement to get fs from a massage girl, because they only do it for selected customers, ;) ;) ;) the fun is in the chase. But the kid said he’ll walk if the girl doesn’t accept $50 for fs, so why bother, there’s no chase involved, just bargaining, go to a brothel for the sure thing at a cheaper price !

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Another wise man in brother Wil !! :miao::miao:

This bit is so true and over the years, plenty of seasoned RnT punters have either confirmed or emphasized that the challenge IS to get FS from a ML who usually DOESN'T do it. To break the ice or to eventually break/seduce/courtship the girl (not by force or violence of course!) into offering FS in the massage shop or outside is the ultimate challenge, some may even say the satisfaction from the chase could even be more satisfying than the sex itself when it finally happens !

Then what happens next ? the ML may never see the punter again once he had his trophy ! moving on to chase the next "NTI" innocent young ML ??

This is what RnT is all about, no ? for some !

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Originally Posted by lonely heart

Brother magickid3801,

Don't border with some moron in the space. They want to pretend they are gentlemen, big spender and expert....

Factcheck (God I love this word)

1 Most ML are indeed WL these days, they just roster in a massage shop "trying" to make more money doing the same job, why should we tolerate them?
2 Shops business are down even the ones that are previously busy all day, so perfectly ok to push the price down.
3 Never believe that trust and friendship bullshit and let you $$$ do the talking.

Just to give you all an idea. a girl FS work in a shop that charges 90 . 30 mins and 150 / hr, they get pay 60-70 and 100-110 respectively.

When they roster in massage shop the shop charge 40 /30 mins and 60/ hr. They get 15-20 and 25-30 respectively. So you only need to tip to make up the difference. That's why the girls don't like 1 hr jobs in massage shops cos you have to do massage and sex it is still only $50 tip.

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■ Fact check( I love this word too) -u had more than 4 fkin fake usernames on the forum you moron!!


A shill for shops to get discounts !

Attack shops who refused to cooperate with you demand.

You will write bad AR if she charge too high for you liking !


Used your other fake names to bad mouth shops who charge higher price than others. All your theory of where to save a bucks. Like wilisno said - u will bargain till the cow come home for just $5 or 6 lol . You walked out down the road to other shop bcuz she charge $3 to high .


if u want "desparate sex " for fk sake just go to a fs shop ...why keep hassle these ml in rnt shop? Ohh $ 5 cheaper yes Haha.

Where isJohnny btw ?
Cheap ass too ?

Nowaday i love going to rnt.
To me i felt like rnt is like doing a treasure hunt.
U don't know what u get, a hj, a fs or fs with bbbj, or even more.
N ofcoz down to the price.
Like some bros here said, they get it for certain amount of moneys or they get it free.
That the fun about rnt u just pay for the massage time n what ever come after part 1 is depend on the hunt.
But fs is already set, u know what u pay for n u expect to get wat u went there for.
If doesn't meet the standard, u either complain or write bad review on thid forum..
Like wilson said no chase no fun
Purely go for sex...
Doesn't matter how much u pay for part 3 in rnt it's depend on what u think is worth