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Subcontracting a policing role to a private company is a recipe for disaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by rooter
NSW jails are also subcontracted to private companies. The company that got the contract is celebrating Christmas everyday😁 and as the the govt official who decides who gets the contract🤔
Oh!!! So it’s like corruption??Quote:
Originally Posted by doctorspock
I thought Australia no corruption...
Sweetheart....world is about people... people are greedy.... therefore irrespective of country there will be corruption....some countries trade under the table some legalise it via government officials.Quote:
Originally Posted by mulanbaby
Is it true that horny Black African guardsmen in Victoria were planting their seeds in quarantined ladies?
The latest figures show that Victoria now had 3,560 cases, overtaking NSW as the most infectious State.
Lord have mercy on our Southern brothers !
Where you see this? That is too many! 3560 :startle:Quote:
Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR
The Health.gov.au websiteQuote:
Originally Posted by mulanbaby
9,553 for the whole country.
Aust govt is in national deficit, it wont be long there will be an air tax
That number is from March 2020 onwards to today...only 273 cases today in Vic...let's not loose sleep over it... keep on punting and stay calm and happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by mulanbaby
I see what you mean. Givng 24 hours notice let the virus people get out before it was too late! :question:Quote:
Originally Posted by mulanbaby
Those private security guards who had no proper security training were up to no good with the ladies in quarantine. What were these guys thinking when having sex with ladies who had been quarantined for the reason being that they may be infected with the virus. These same guys then returned to their homes and families and spread the virus further in the community. Those ladies quarantined in the hotels must have been desperate for some action. In the end who is to blame? The Victorian government for not getting the police or army to guard the hotels.Quote:
Originally Posted by hornedone
I think restrictions might come back
I agree. From the sounds of things it was one truckie from VIC who was patient zero that caused the spread in NSW.Quote:
Originally Posted by TokyoLights
Really difficult understanding the way which the New South Wales Premier is approaching this outbreak. A lot of what she has been saying is insensible, confused and to be blunt,
foolish.
Let’s start with border closures. After criticising Queensland for so long, she then had to eat humble pie but she had to be dragged kicking and screaming into doing that and as we all know, she waited far too long. We are now paying for her stupidity.
Now we are facing the same situation with a lockdown. She has been very clear that we will not lock down for a whole range of reasons but if the management of this proves to be ineffectual, what do we all think will happen? Lockdown but again, too late.
It is quite interesting when you hear politicians making statements like we can’t afford to focus on eradication from an economic perspective. Actually, The question should be whether we can afford not to focus on eradication. Take the example of the crossroads hotel. The way this is being managed, what will happen is that crossroads will reopen and then there will be an incident and then have to close again undergo a deep cleansing, and then open again after that and then guess what happens? It will be a vicious circle that just repeats. Each closure and deep cleansing is enormously expensive for the business and ultimately, the business will just give up.
A complete lack of vision from a political leaders at the moment, focused only on the very short term. Ultimately, what will drive any kind of recovery is confidence and there is no way people can be confident in an environment where by they know that they can catch the virus at any time.
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Originally Posted by TokyoLights
Yeah the government is too soft.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meng
They announce things many days in advance and say "we are closing the border in 3 days time at midnight" WTF!
They did the same thing for the airports and for quarantine.
This basically encourages people (some of them with the virus) to make their move and creates a flood of people crossing borders or entering the country.
They should put all the preparations in place and then the same day say "midnight tonight border closes".
Yes this will inconvenience some people but that's just the way it is.
So what do you suggest should be done? Ultimately you need a vaccine. Without a vaccine, you have to learn to live with the virus. A lock down again and again is not sustainable. Gladys is correct that you can't really aim for eradication.Quote:
Originally Posted by quackm2002
There should be tougher punishment for people breaking quarantine rules. E.g prison instead of just fines. The truckie will probably be fined 4K, which when you think of the economic impact of a whole state is nothing.
Eradication v Suppression is largely semantics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poonhound69
The suppression we had with the first lockdown pretty much led to eradication ie no more locally spread cases .
It had got to zero in all the smaller states and maybe 1 new case a day in Victoria and NSW.
Then the only new cases were people returning from overseas, but this is no problem if you quarantine them.
This strategy worked in all the states.
The problem was in Victoria where the morons in charge of hotel quarantine security totally fucked up and that let the genie out of the bottle again. Then they went home to their families and communities and spread it everywhere. To make things worse many of those private security guards and indeed those people prematurely released from quarantine are from migrant cultures that have big families and close knit communities, or live in high density public housing so the virus spread even more quickly.
And it is now spreading from there to other states.
If the police and military were in charge this almost certainly would not have happened.
It just shows how out of touch politicians and senior public servants are.
Any person in the street who has seen private security guards in "action" will tell you that yeah sure they are OK to stand outside a Bunnings store, but in charge of the biggest pandemic in a century? WTF!
428 new cases in Victoria overnight, this is very serious and the Andrew’s Government must call for Federal assistance to control this thing !
NSW is starting to put more restriction in for pubs, restaurants and funerals. Wonder if they will put restriction on brothels soon.
Probably not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentinels
Epidemic control is all about numbers and stopping large gatherings of people.
One on one services are actually low risk and not a priority.
The closeness of the contact is a factor but the thing is that covid is not like an STI, it does not require intimate contact.
Socialising in a crowded pub is enough to spread the disease. Whether you fuck someone or just hug, or kiss, or talk at close distance, or share a glass you are gonna spread the virus to them.
The most important factor is the size of the gathering. The more people the higher the risk.
There has not been one single documented case of a transmission of the virus in a sex venue in Australia.
The pub, family get togethers, friends, cruises, aeroplanes, parties, trains, buses, pubs, churches, clubs, sport, weddings, funerals, dinners, picnics, etc are all far more risky.
I can't argue with any of that mate. This is such an enormous blunder what the Andrew's govt in Victoria did and it has fucked up not just Vic but potentially the entire country. I don't know if it's sustainable that you lock down the entire country again for a couple of months to get back to where we were before the Victoria fuck up. It's hard to understand that Dan still hasn't resigned.Quote:
Originally Posted by rooter
I’m willing to bet a hooker with Covid will pass the virus to far more people than say a waiter that does a couple of shifts in a room with 100 people each time.Quote:
Originally Posted by rooter
In the Hooker case assuming DFK there would be a near 100% transfer rate.
The waiter well they would have to touch cough or sneeze, touch something, then someone else would need to come in contact with that and then transfer to their eyes, mouth or nose so far less chance than directly transferring through DFK.
Criticism like this is why we have such shit pollies for the most part. End of the day all our pollies are on a hiding to nothing with this virus. It doesn’t matter what they do people will be pissed and complain. For the most part all our pollies and that includes Andrews are doing a great job in handling this virus.Quote:
Originally Posted by quackm2002
Oh and in relation to border closures Gladys did complain about QLD border closures but put some context around that, that was at a time when each and every state in this country was facing exactly the same situation and levels of Covid infection so she was right it wasn’t needed.
But what has happened in Victoria has very much changed the equation. So call it a backflip, incompetence or what ever you like but as far as I am concerned the initial decision and the the recent closure are both correct for the circumstances at the time.
Unions won't let him - they need a puppet to control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poonhound69