This is correct. because they wants $50 off you, not $20Quote:
Originally Posted by bhd
This is correct. because they wants $50 off you, not $20Quote:
Originally Posted by bhd
If and I say IF (not saying this happens here very often) the girl shows she is disappointed in the $20 tip by showing disappointment on her face, stopping touching or asking again for the nude option this would generally be bad for business. A lot of customers won't book that girl again or worse avoid the shop for a while. Over time the boss can see who is getting repeat bookings and who isn't.
So a girl that usually gives good service and has the occasional bad day doesn't have too much to worry about.
There are always two sides of the stories:
As a punter, you think you pay the 30 min or hourly rate for the massage session and you should get a decent massage, fair enough! And let's just exclude 501/532 for a moment so we can have some rates parity here. As you progress to part II, there are options, most commonly are 20/50/100 as in HJ only, nude HJ and FS (if available). You happy to pay, you get what you pay for, simple enough, if you are regular to the girl, you may get a discount or some freebies but obviously you have to earn it!!
Now why would you pay say $100 for FS on top of the $50/$60 massage and that makes your session at the same price as 30 min at 5 Star with much better facilities , probably better looking/younger WL and most likely better services! I don't know the answer but lots of customers are doing it and paying the market price, including yours truly here, my last session costed me $160!
I could have gone to a few other places but I rather see one of my favourite girl because it felt so right and so good and no, she doesn't even have big tits!!
Now these are all good and these are the sessions the MLs love to have, then you have other end of the scale where some doggy punters come into the shop, wanted to see all the girls, picked one and then wanted to pay just $80 for massage with FS or $50 for massage with nude BJ, of course this is not on and they started to give the Mamasan and the girl a hard time. Some end up booking the girl for two hours and no extras. And that didn't stop him put his hands all over the girl butt, up the skirt etc. etc,
And the girls have to deal with this sort of customers everyday, may be at the beginning they will keep smiling and make some allowance but as time wears on, may be enough is enough, it gets to the point they have to take a stand: no pay = no play . And I think as a customer I am ok with it.
If there are shops or MLs whom you already have a good rapport and you have been getting freebie and /or lots of extras without have to pay then perhaps you should stick with those shops.
There are still people who walks into Snow Lotus first thing in the morning and wants to pay just $20 for a quickie HJ, do you think Vicky should welcome them and gives them good service for the $20!! And which ML from the shop should be told to perform??
Just my two cents!!
Ps. Sorry guys if I sound too sympathetic to the MLs it is because I know a lot of them on a friendly basis and have heard so much difficulties and challenges they face everyday, unlike you punters, just go to the shop pay the fees and enjoy!
May be spare a thought for them from time to time
Thank you for your understanding
Cheers
You should be using your ''friendship'' with these money hungry mls to spare a thought for punters that want value for money and consistent service.Quote:
Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR
They want to make money and we want to save money for sure there has to be compromise. Alot of massage shops aren't doing too well while others are booming.
It's not hard to see what is the difference in service and pricing structure!
For those shop owners who are my friends, I think their pricing structures are fine, my advice to them are always service oriented and I don't think there are too many complaints that are targeted towards Vicky, Foxy and Coco personally, as for their girls, well, it is an on going challenge and as usual, new girls need more training and guidance and the old girls need to be kept an eye on, so its always a case of work in progress but I suppose these three shops are probably more reliable and consistent than other shops.Quote:
Originally Posted by 8inches
So lets hope the best and fairest shops and MLs survive and prosper!!
For cheapest price, people should look no further than 501/532!!
If David's shops can pull in 50/60 jobs a day, then congratulations, he deserves it, my friends will be happy just to pick up the left overs on the floor to survive......haha
Cheers
A few comments on your second last post Ahlungor.
The 20/50/100 scale only applies to the inner city/Bondi/North Shore shops on the main. If you were to take the overall Sydney cross section, the most likely combination is 20/30/50. It just so happens that the 20/50/100 girls are the ones we most talk about in this forum and as us customers pay these rates, they keep asking and getting them. I am one of the culprits as my cock tends to overrule the bank manager's advice.
I am unsure of the FS rates at 501/532, but the naked rate of usually 30(possibly more) brings it along the same lines as the Thai shops, however, the Thai girls on the main are naked from the get go and not peeling their kit off with 10 left. If your after FS with a Thai however it becomes slightly more expensive as the HJ/nude component isnt wrapped up inside the tip as it was part of the initial fee. 501/532 is a unique shop however it would appear to have lost the gloss of say 2-3 years ago.
For my 2 cents, apart from the $60 Thai shops, the best value is 702 Botany. 5 girls every day, all needs catered for, young, mature, busty, thin, massage only and the works.
Prices start at $35/30 mins, but what you want, you get for the whole period of the booking, not just a token ending.
This posting is about Stanmore.. and have nothing to do with other shops..Don't confuse the situaion.... CheersQuote:
Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR
You should be used to it by now if there was a thread about mans landing on theQuote:
Originally Posted by Cloudybay
moon expect this guy will somehow manage to mention Snow Lotus /Silver Fox/252b
:surprise:
Maybe that man is taking Coco or Vicky with him for the trip to the Moon ? It can be a reality in the near future with Richard Branson, only around 200k for the trip ! :miao:Quote:
Originally Posted by 8inches
He can afford that 200k... trust meQuote:
Originally Posted by wilisno
Of course he can ! :miao:Quote:
Originally Posted by Travelmate
That's right, where else would a man go for a rub n tug right after a long trip to the moon? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 8inches
There's an old saying that two wrongs don't make a right. Dodgy customers that treat the girls badly and expect extras for zero or low cost is definitely a 'wrong'. Girls acting like princesses, being lazy and asking high prices for small service is also a 'wrong'.
Most importantly experiencing one does not justify doing the other. That goes for customers and girls imho.
Seems like Ahlungor brother still more interested to defend his associated interests rather than just acknowledge bhd brothers report that he wasn't likely to return. bhd brother has been around these forums for a lot longer going way back to the original syd99 so I think he knows a bit about what can be expected from his experience.*
But again Ahlungor brother, u mention that u feel that others are putting a target on your back so u have to defend but in this case, this was just a simple report from bhd that has nothing to do with u. But yet u put yourself into that corner and defend the ML's money this money that, no touch attitude because she happens to be your "friend" or working in one of your associated shops. Yet we don't see u defend other WL/ML service rights in others shops and in some cases would be quick to disapprove the girl in question. You certainly weren't defending ML's or sympathetic to them in the previous forum but the continual defending of your associated shops is quite frankly tiresome rather than being objective and helping them improve with better feedback.*
I have had known plenty of WL/ML as friends or dating from different shops over the years and know plenty from their perspective but its best as a forum user to provide comments from a neutrals perspective. This isn't the 1st time I've said this but Ahlungor brother keeps putting himself out there imposing his bias and views rather than being objective to users.
Hope you can take the positives out of this feedback and not see yourself as a target. No doubt Vicky, Coco and Foxy have plenty to thank you for providing much promotion to their shops but a balanced viewpoint is much more appreciated within forum user.*
WOW!!!!! How can you guys leave me out in this classic fight. Let me go read read and join in!!! Haha
OK Ahlungor sounds like a shop owner, that is nothing new, SL SF and 252B is overpriced noting new either, and Thai Massage is better value for the 30 mins short job especially with 429 Leichhardt and 281 Broadway so close by, they shouldl be better choice, also been said since 252B first opened.
I said it before and I told this to all my ML friends and owner, stop being so stuck up and pretended that you are not in the adult industry and say things like "oh Chinese massage is different" "We are massage girls....", its all the same shit and my reply often upset them but it is the truth. Chinese massage shops a now stuck between Thai B2B join and those 85/90 30 mins FS joins.
The root problem is the current generation of MLs many come here simply to work in this industry and milk as much money out as possible. Many are pretty, young but wont give you a decent services unless you give them a decent tip. I personally do not think this should be encourage but the whole Chinese massage has changed since the down turn of Burwood and sad to see even many inner west girls are now asking for the 20/50/100 price.
If we stop accepting this price to be norm and stop visiting these massage places (I know I have). I think we could change this situation a bit. After all these massage shops, even SL, SF and 252B is not that busy as some people put it, and as punters we can certainly push them into a situation they will have to change.
As usual people will say why we never see you nag about others like Koreans who charges $160 for an hour?? The answer is Yes I an racist and I believe in the ethnic pricing that has built into the adult industry for a long time. In terms of pricing koreans and japs have either not moved their price for years or some even come down a bit. Compare to chinese MLs and shop owners who keep asking for more and more... they are a fucking joke.
Bro LH no fight to start, just trying to be objective and ensure that a girls services are reviewed properly and acknowledged accordingly.
And yes you are correct, SL, SF and Stanmore are nowhere near as busy or popular as hyped in this forum doing maybe 20-30 jobs a day. David's 501 is still a benchmark and even his business has slowed down from its peak.
Spot on Bro Slarty!!Quote:
Originally Posted by slarty
Don't know why people wouldn't return to a shop if they had one bad experience with an ML. If the owner was bad, fair enough but ML's come and go.
Bro's before hoe's!
Confucius says man that walks around with target on back should expect to be shot at.
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Originally Posted by Sillyboy
My last post here was a result of getting delayed at the Canberra airport last night in the storm with nothing to do so old habits die hard, I should really post less and keep quiet most of the times !! Or better still, just do the roster man's job like now:
3 M's Sunday
Mimi, Miranda and Michelle
Have a nice day
Cheers
Travelmate is Supportive!Quote:
Originally Posted by lonely heart
yes brother BHD has been long history with CommanderM, LonelyHeart, hell no, the some other Melbourne brothers ..... in the old forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhd
Where is KickMy Ass Brother?
How about start a forum for wls-mls where they can post their issues like money problems, punters that bargain for extras, bossy mamasans, working when they have periods and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR
You can be the rooster in the hen house and give them a shoulder to cry on.
instead of defending them and making excuses on a MENS forum when they under perform and over pricing.
And you would come too ??Quote:
Originally Posted by 8inches
I can give a couple of reasons why this could be the case from my personal experience. Firstly there's dozens if not hundreds of massage shops in Sydney. It's only natural to keep going back to shops where you have good experiences. Having a dud punt can interrupt that chain- for a week, a month, three months or longer. Secondly if you want to avoid a particular girl you have to take the trouble of ringing up to see who's on and then booking someone else. But what if you just want to show up and take the next available girl? If you are unlucky enough to draw that girl again you have to refuse her- creates a bit of bad feeling a lot of punters would rather avoid.Quote:
Originally Posted by jellyshots
Of course if the shop is mostly good customers will return at some point. Just saying it might put you off for a while.