Charge extra for touching

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Originally Posted by Loblaw

Ok this is actually funny... 4 out of the 5 quotes attributed to me were made by other commenters. Don't blindly trust ChatGPT output :)

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@Loblaw — just circling back.

You claimed 4 out of 5 quotes in that roast weren’t yours… but I’ve now cross-referenced them directly from your own post history — which, in case you forgot, is public. Just click your profile, hit “Find latest posts,” and boom — every jab, one-liner, and snide dig is right there in the open.

You dropped lines like:
• “Are you old, bald, fat or farang?”
• “Sfornication is just copy-pasting from ChatGPT.”
• And let’s not forget backing someone who called WLs “cum dumps,” brushing it off as “just harsh wording.”

Those quotes weren’t invented. They weren’t misattributed. They were yours. Word for word. Timestamped. Sitting in the open like wet towels on a shop floor.

So if you’re gonna throw shade, at least own your shadow.
Because the moment those lines came back dressed in context, you pulled the Shaggy defence — “Wasn’t me.”
Mate… it was absolutely you.

This ain’t beef. It’s just facts.
You don’t have to like the mirror — but don’t pretend it’s foggy when it’s crystal clear.

Still Sfornication.
Still undefeated.
Still two clicks away from your entire playbook.

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Originally Posted by andrewv

Hello @Sfornication - Take it easy, buddy. Men going to massage shops and receiving sexual favours is not exactly legal in Australia unless it is a licensed brothel.
Also, it is an industry which is not compliant with Australian Consumer laws. This forum is simply for sharing intelligence about shops and experiences. We the punters are prepared for both surprises and disappointments/let downs.

If you go to a shop and do not like the experience, usually the maximum loss to you is about $100 and 60 minutes. Move on. Try another shop.

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@Andrew V —

I’m always up for a healthy debate.
Let’s make that clear upfront — this is not an argument.
No shots fired, no personal attacks. This is forum dialogue the way it should be — sharp, satirical, and (unlike some replies)… actually original.

But since you stepped in, let’s address what you said — and maybe what you didn’t realise you were doing.

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“Take it easy, buddy.”

Classic tone-policing. You kicked it off with condescension before you even acknowledged the content.
I didn’t mention you.
Wasn’t writing about you.
But here you are — “buddy-ing” me from the sidelines like a dad trying to calm a 10-year-old with a melted Paddle Pop.

Let’s be real — this type of reply doesn’t add to the thread.
It’s not experience-based. It’s not intel.
Forum Rule 3 says no altercations — and framing a reply with low-key sarcasm like that isn’t a contribution, it’s bait.

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“Sexual favours aren’t legal unless it’s a brothel…”

Ty.
Duh.
Freddy.

Mate, I’m talking hygiene, human psychology, emotional disconnect — and you pull out the legal script like you’re the compliance officer at Knock Shop HQ.
It’s the same energy as those “No sexual services offered here” signs taped above the bin — everyone sees them, no one believes them, and quoting it like scripture doesn’t elevate the convo — it just derails it.

That’s textbook thread derailment.
Forum Rule 3 again.

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“Not compliant with consumer law.”

Come on now — I didn’t ask for a refund, I asked why half these punters walk into a room with BO and blind hope, and still expect fireworks.

This isn’t JB Hi-Fi, and no one’s trying to return a dodgy toaster. I was unpacking emotional value, expectation mismatches, and punter entitlement — and you’re reciting section 52 of the Fair Trading Act like we’re on a legal podcast.

If anything, that kind of off-topic flex feels more like attention-seeking than insight.

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“This forum is for sharing intelligence…”

Exactly — which is what I did.
Only I wrapped my post in rhythm, satire, and actual layers.
You? You delivered a dry policy memo, slapped on some sarcasm, and called it “intelligence.”

Here’s the thing:
If we’re all just copy-pasting prices and NHJ summaries, this forum becomes a graveyard of half-baked stats.
Intelligence includes context, not just cost.

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“We share so punters are prepared for let downs.”

Let downs?
That’s your baseline?

I’m not trying to prepare for garbage service — I’m trying to understand why the service is garbage in the first place.
I broke down a cultural trend. You called it overthinking.

But framing criticism as “too emotional” or “too intense” is another form of undermining contribution, especially when it’s aimed at tone instead of substance.

That kind of dismissiveness again flirts with Rule 3 — you’re not adding to the conversation, you’re trying to silence it.

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“It’s only $100 and 60 minutes.”

And there it is — the spiritual shrug.
This is why the experience keeps degrading.
When punters reduce the whole thing to a “meh, move on,” we reinforce mediocrity.

You think it’s about money.
I think it’s about value.
You’re counting minutes.
I’m tracking meaning.
That’s the difference between transactional numbness… and insight.

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So let’s wrap this up like adults:

I’m not attacking you, Andrew.
But you stepped into a thread about punter psychology, hygiene, fantasy, and self-reflection — and turned it into a courtroom monologue and a rulebook recitation.
That’s not how you contribute — that’s how you derail and police tone, which this forum’s rules clearly frown on.

If you’ve got experience to share, bring it.
If you’ve got insight, we’ll vibe.
But if you’re just here to nitpick tone, throw shade without review history, and regulate what should be posted — then maybe, just maybe…
you’re not defending the forum — you’re strangling it.

So again — healthy debate? Always.
Uninvited lectures in the wrong room?
I’ll take my massage from someone who actually offers it, thanks.

Cheers.

Amazing... 652 words.... that is deep stuff. So much for a simple topic about some girls "Charge extra for touching".
OK, I can be gentle of a "Baby Member" for a few months.

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Originally Posted by andrewv

Amazing... 652 words.... that is deep stuff. So much for a simple topic about some girls "Charge extra for touching".
OK, I can be gentle of a "Baby Member" for a few months.

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@Andrew V —

Mate, I’m all for debate. But if we’re going to start comparing thoughts, tone, and contribution, let’s at least keep it clean — and keep it honest.

You’ve hinted at “baby member” status like it’s some kind of credibility test. So for the record, I didn’t realise forum rank on a punters board now equates to intellect. That’s like a learner driver pulling rank on another L-plater — we’re both still finding reverse.

But since we’re on the subject of forum standards, let’s take a look at the rules — the ones that matter more than status tags:

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🔧 Rule 2: Respect Other Members

Definition: Keep it respectful. No insults or belittling tone — even when you disagree.

Here’s how your comments stray:
• “Take it easy, buddy.” – Not respectful, just smug. You didn’t engage my ideas — you tried to tone-police before the conversation even began.
• “I’m not sure Sfornication is the best person to be throwing stones.” – That’s not disagreement. That’s casting shade on character. Who’s throwing stones now?
• “Baby member” jab. – That’s pure status shaming. This isn’t high school. New voices have value.

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🪛 Rule 3: No Provocation or Altercations

Definition: Don’t derail threads with personal jabs or provoke arguments.

Here’s how you danced on that line:
• You stepped into a general post that wasn’t directed at you and made it personal.
• You shifted focus from content to author — that’s provocation, not contribution.

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🔩 Rule 5: Stay On Topic

Definition: Stick to the theme of the thread. Don’t derail.

The original topic was about:
• Touching charges
• Punter/ML dynamics
• Hygiene, communication, expectations

Your reply?
• “Sexual services aren’t legal unless it’s a brothel.”
• “This industry doesn’t follow consumer law.”

That’s not counter-argument — that’s deflection. You went from fantasy psychology to quoting the legal equivalent of a shop sign that says “No Refunds.”

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So before we get too caught up in forum titles and baby member rankings, let’s just agree on this:

If you’re going to challenge someone’s post, challenge the actual points.
Not their join date. Not their tone. Not their character.

If you’ve got something valuable to add — add it.
If not, this just starts to look like gatekeeping in a “junior member” costume.
And the rest of the forum sees that — clear as daylight.

So if the choice is between saying something original as a ‘baby member’ or repeating legal disclaimers as a ‘junior one,’ I’ll take nappies and insight over dry toast and Ctrl+C energy any day.

Cheers.

Who hurt you, @Sfornication.
Did you try to study law at uni and get rejected? Is that it?!

Enough crossing swords.
What was the topic again?

@Sfornication

Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.

Seeing another wall of five hundred plus words come up in one post… I just don’t read it and it’s now scroll down to the next post.

In today’s society people don’t have the attention span nor the time to sit and read five hundred plus word posts.

I think you’re doing yourself a disservice.

Maybe if you’re desk bound on a laptop and have nothing better to do than experiment with technology and it’s your “interest” I totally understand but to smother threads with walls of words is akin to spam.

I'm pretty sure Sfornication used AI to help write the posts. The tone and icons are a dead give-away

Yep, I experienced it at Redfern Relaxation. Tried to charge me an extra $30 for undressing and touching on top of the $50 for the HJ.

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Originally Posted by JacobPapasan

**On another note**

I have a instructed my girls working at 6 poplar to remove all clothing from the beginning of the massage.

I do believe since the punter has paid for a NHJ at reception. The girl must be naked from the start. Otherwise please let myself or reception know if the girls doesn't and I'll have a word with that particular staff.

Cheers
Jacob

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Thanks for the update Jacob, I have noticed your newer girls have been undressing right from the begin. Certainly more value for money compared to before.

Hi Jacob
I have sent you a PM with details of my next booking, as you requested

Sfornication is just another account of this other guy forgot it was Willie something. He was like in love with 11Bravo lol.

Very very similar writing style.

As far as 6 poplar in particular I had very sinilar experiences of girls.keeping their clothes on some time ago wtih Jessie and Ai, and an extremely shit punt at World Square with Reiko, who looked like she was about to cry if i so much as put a finger on her.
Like whatever training is being made is absolutely failing and slipping through the cracks.

I just dont punt either place anymore. Its a 3 strike.

I think SBM/SGM (as they are sister shoos) are the last shops in the city which is still worth going to with inclusive prices, and a bunch of them are really pretty too.

Go see Jeane, Alina, Liya, Rachel, as a few to start off with. As with all things YMMV but ive had great FS punts there pretty much everytime (even when their profile doesnt say open minded.or they dont nornally seem to offer).

Just be hygenic, easygoing and respectful.

- F0x

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Originally Posted by F0x

Sfornication is just another account of this other guy forgot it was Willie something. He was like in love with 11Bravo lol.

- F0x

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Well fuck me dead. If some bloke starts a thread saying "he’s in love with a punter on a sex forum" just shut the whole joint down. We’ve passed the point of no return.

So I went to 6 Poplar over the weekend to try someone new (turns out I had seen her before).

I mention naked from the start and she says ‘no, only during HJ’.

She goes to asks the receptionist (Lindsay) who apparently doesn’t know anything about this.

Six weeks ago, Jacob announced to us all the girls would be naked from the start.

The girls are not being trained and the customers are the ones being let down.

I said to the girl that she didn’t have to do anything she didn’t want to do, but she didn’t stay so I got a refund and left.

Jacob, you have spread yourself too thin and have dropped the ball…. Again

It is sad to see hard-working Jacob start to lose traction of his business.

The issue of the girls going naked from the first minute should be BLACK and WHITE.

Go on, Jacob. Decide and implement whichever policy you wish to have in your business, and tell us punters so we can support you or go somewhere else.

It’s a bit like most of the punting scene (massage shops for me) these days I feel. Some great ladies like yaya in Jacob’s shops who I’m happy to see on a regular basis. But a lot of hit and miss with other girls which makes me shy away from trying the new talent.

This happened to me when I went to Selena at home. Paid the 120 for an hr, supoosed to be inclusive over handjob, then another 100 for blowjob. When we getting to the act, she then said its another 50 if I wanted to touch her pussy. I just laughed and said dont even worry bout finishing me off and walked.
Never again.

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Originally Posted by Paison

This happened to me when I went to Selena at home. Paid the 120 for an hr, supoosed to be inclusive over handjob, then another 100 for blowjob. When we getting to the act, she then said its another 50 if I wanted to touch her pussy. I just laughed and said dont even worry bout finishing me off and walked.
Never again.

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Who was it that did that?

I've been wanting to try but not sure which girl. Would be good who to not even consider

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Originally Posted by MasterPaizuri

Who was it that did that?

I've been wanting to try but not sure which girl. Would be good who to not even consider

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Can't remember but she was viet. Think it was mina or mimi

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Originally Posted by Massagecreep

So I went to 6 Poplar over the weekend to try someone new (turns out I had seen her before).

I mention naked from the start and she says ‘no, only during HJ’.

She goes to asks the receptionist (Lindsay) who apparently doesn’t know anything about this.

Six weeks ago, Jacob announced to us all the girls would be naked from the start.

The girls are not being trained and the customers are the ones being let down.

I said to the girl that she didn’t have to do anything she didn’t want to do, but she didn’t stay so I got a refund and left.

Jacob, you have spread yourself too thin and have dropped the ball…. Again

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Damn so this place is back to its old ways? Did you get a full refund at least?