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It's good to hear they got some time to take care of themselves a little, despite the obvious stress they would have felt from loss of income etc. I can imagine it's really not the healthiest of lifestyles. Leave home at 8.30. Stuck inside all day, home at 10.. eat take out a lot of the time...Quote:
Originally Posted by storry_teller
But RnT is a sex service?Quote:
Originally Posted by boater
Looking through available information, there are definitions of "remedial massage" but none for "therapeutic massage". So it seems confusing that undefined "therapeutic" shops have been allowed to open for a few weeks, but "remedial" shops have not.
But the risk of getting caught out is low. guess we are all willing to try. Happy punting
I don't want to come across as fear mongering. But I have seen the following information posted on social media from a couple of well known Caucasian erotic massage parlours:
"I’ve checked with some sources and it looks like they mean therapeutic massage. We will hopefully have government clarification soon. Basically if the service provider is nude and gives a hand job, that’s a brothel... am waiting for clarification, but again, there is a difference between therapeutic massage and erotic massage, and where erotic massage is provided the venue is legally considered a brothel".
...and another:
"Hi everyone... just letting you know that places that open on June 13th are actually disobeying the law! Every client and worker risks a 1000 dollar fine....please be aware of NSW guidelines! We shall see you soon...just not next week. And please stay safe happy and healthy until we see you again".
Now I know that some of the 'upmarket' Caucasian parlours are probably operating under a brothel license even though their business is erotic massage with, at most, a restricted extras policy. But it appears that they are still seeking interpretation & clarity around whether they can actually operate from 13th June or not. I've seen one particular shop advertise on their website that they do intend to open, but will also be winding back their extras policy in the current climate - https://bodyrotic.com.au/news/
What would this mean for a place like 227 Broadway where parts 1 and 2 are charged upfront? They advertise as being a 'fully licensed shop', but what exactly does that entail? Check out the messaging on their roster page - https://www.massagebroadway.com/shop-roster.html
Will it be legal to engage in a naked bodyslide and happy ending in a remedial / therapeutic shop from 13th June (or even now for licensed shops which have already been allowed to re-open)? If the shop, the service provider and client is caught engaging in such services will fines be issued?
I don't want to spoil the fun that we are currently all looking forward to one week from now, but I am starting to think that we might need to be cautious and not get too excited too soon about what exactly we're going to be allowed to do. If the Councils and Police sniff an opportunity to issue fines because people have not interpreted the regulations properly, they will !
FFS how many times has this been explained on this Forum.
Some massage shops are fully licensed brothels but they just choose to offer massage and HJ, bodyslide etc. That's their business model.
These are most of the caucasian shops eg Misty's, Bodyrotic, and a small minority of the Asian ones eg 227 Broadway, Midas, Romeo's, Juliet's Mastige8 etc.
And then you have the vast majority Asian R&T shops.
They don't have a brothel licence but just pretend to be therapeutic/remedial massage shops and offer HJ and sometimes more secretly behind the screen, curtain etc.
Technically they are therapeutic/remedial massage shops , but everyone knows what really goes on in these shops, but proving it is very difficult.
Well in the current rules here: https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/what...do-under-rulesQuote:
Originally Posted by MDPorto
It says
Healthcare products and services may open including
... remedial or therapeutic massage service providers
Under personal services (so other than remedial or therapeutic massage) it says
Personal services -Closed
- Massage and tattoo parlours cannot provide services however they can open to sell products and gift vouchers. This applies to any business premises, regardless of whether it operates in a retail outlet or in a private home. Businesses must comply with the 4 square metre rule.
- Strip clubs and sex services premises are closed.
So remedial and therapeutic massage are already open
Then under changes for the 13th of June it says:
Personal services
- Tattoo and massage parlours can reopen with up to 10 clients.
Given that remdial and therapeutic are already open, and there are no stated limits on what sort of personal services massage may open on the 13th - just how many clients they can have - it is reasonable to think this included erotic massage. After all, what else could it mean? And if it did not include all forms of personal services massage you would reasonably expect them to have said so.
Note: I am not a lawyer, just reading the rules.
Personally I will wait, but it would seem to have have been in intention to allow erotic massage venues to operate.
Of course, this might get updated and the actual rules are what are declared by the chief medical officer at the time. We should probably check what they actually say come the 13th.
I also says "sex service premises are closed". Is a HE by a naked girl a "sex service"?Quote:
Originally Posted by boater
At the counter you pay for massage only.
What happens in the room is a matter for those inside it.
The service provided by the business is only massage "as far as anyone knows".
As stated a licensed premise that is upfront with the charges is a different category of service.
Common sense will prevail here.
If i go to KFC and manage to negotiate HE with my Zinger burger KFC is not then providing the service if you follow my drift.
Stay safe and have fun.
Kinda sucks for licensed massage shops. They won't be able to open because it is clear they provide sexual services because they are licensed. The massage shops that don't do the right thing, not pay for their license and employ MLs with the intent of offering sexual services are opening. Go figure.....
Buggered if I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiegaigin
We will see how the actual rules are phrased when they are gazetted on the 13th.
We don't know that for sure. Everyone is getting carried away by "massage parlours" being allowed to open, but ignoring the "sex services" restriction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raybo
Perhaps the RnT will become and Rn(more)R only.
Bro, most of these massage parlours aren’t strictly allowed to offer sexual service even in normal times, don’t think a little thing like a global pandemic will stop them now.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiegaigin
Who is going to stop them, a cop in every room?
Personally I have had enough of these restrictions, it’s low risk now , the RNTs need to open up, for the economic good of the nation!!
Im with ya black toad lot of crap here about whats in and whats not, before this crap it was open to interpretation why all the sudden dickybirds are trying to re write war and peace for fucks sake
Big difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackToad
Operating a brothel (which includes provision of any sexual services afaik) was previously legal.
These 'massage parlours' were only breaching local council regulations which required that they be specifically approved.
The penalties were small and enforcement difficult (often using private investigators then a court case)
Operating from the 13th you are breaching NSW government regs, the penalties are much higher, and you've got Police enforcement
Moz
We are talking predominately RnT here mate massage shops ok.
Are you a cop Moz?
Because you sound like one
I'm hoping so too, but creating a bit of paranoia helps beat the boredom LOL
And what do you think RnT is defined asQuote:
Originally Posted by Budgyboy
There is a reason all the massage shops have up signs about what they 'don't' do.
If I was a cop I'd be waiting until the 13th, be like shooting fish in a barrell.
I already have my part 3 or part 4 at a remedial massage shop last Wednesday with ex 42/279 girl. Come on guys don't play innocent all this I don't know or I wait and see. Most remedial shop do minimum HE. We all know the girls main earning are from extra service like HE nude and bbbj and FS. Forget RnT/remedial/parlour all the same to me. So far I know most if not all have extra service only the girls is willing to give you the extra service from HE to FS.
Actually we do know that close physical contact for an extended period is the primary means of transmission, so unfortunately brothels are very high risk (damn). Not the sex itself, but being that close to someone for that amount of time, possibly kissing - certainly breathing what they are exhaling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Effindahead
The 1st risk is to the worker, as they are exposed to a series of possibly infected clients - then if they become infected they can give it on to their clients as they will be infectious before displaying symptoms (and they may never display symptoms).
But so long as you are not kissing, then you would expect the risks to be similar to a normal massage. A BJ, sex itself or a HJ is not the risky thing here.
See: https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the...hem-avoid-them for what we know of how this is transmitted.