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Originally Posted by PervySage

I don't remember the daily death count being 15+ regularly even during delta...

Maybe I am wrong.. But I think tbis is the highest daily death rate nsw has seen at any time during the pandemic.

Besides I doubt everyone is in a "panic" they are just exercising "personal responsibility" as the premier and pm repeatedly asked!

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That's because it's so prevalent in the community compared to any other time in the past. So a 90 year old, with dementia and heart failure would of died of natural causes 3 months ago but now is far more likely to get covid and is considered covid case.

It's the same reason why 30-50% of hospitalisations are incendental, they're showing up for different reasons get tested for admission and now is a covid hospitalisation. This has been shown in several studies done at different hospitals.

This is the thing about the media, they give no context or nuance. It's basically fear porn.

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Originally Posted by halfway

There are less people in Hospital and ICU now compared to Sept Delta outbreak.....

The MEDIA have you all in a panic and have done a great job on you.

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Not less people in hospital and ICU in absolute terms, but as a % of the caseload, DEFINITELY. I’ve been a staunch advocate for vaccination since the beginning, have followed all of the health advice (except seeing an ML during lockdown [emoji854][emoji38]), but I think now it’s absurd to change our behaviour based on the fear of getting covid (unless you’re over 60, then perhaps more justified). It’s just such a different situation than 2 years ago, with a range of effective treatments, including a vaccine!
Interestingly enough I was looking the other day at average death count for flu/pneumonia in Australia per annum, and I was surprised it was so high - 4737 if my memory is correct. Over a 4 month period that equates to roughly 40 deaths per day. Or averaged out over an entire year it would be around 11 per day. Hard to imagine Omicron ever having that kind of impact over a sustained period, even when allowed to spread unchecked. I know there are other factors to consider, and I’m being a little reductionist…
but it feels like at some point along the way we completely lost perspective and a sense of scale (of what we gave up/continue to give up). Not to mention a basic understanding of risk.
Or maybe I’m wrong, I am still open to that possibility lol. I’m just fucking sick of this virus continuing to have such an impact on our lives.
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Originally Posted by Basil22

Not less people in hospital and ICU in absolute terms, but as a % of the caseload, DEFINITELY. I’ve been a staunch advocate for vaccination since the beginning, have followed all of the health advice (except seeing an ML during lockdown [emoji854][emoji38]), but I think now it’s absurd to change our behaviour based on the fear of getting covid (unless you’re over 60, then perhaps more justified). It’s just such a different situation than 2 years ago, with a range of effective treatments, including a vaccine!
Interestingly enough I was looking the other day at average death count for flu/pneumonia in Australia per annum, and I was surprised it was so high - 4737 if my memory is correct. Over a 4 month period that equates to roughly 40 deaths per day. Or averaged out over an entire year it would be around 11 per day. Hard to imagine Omicron ever having that kind of impact over a sustained period, even when allowed to spread unchecked. I know there are other factors to consider, and I’m being a little reductionist…
but it feels like at some point along the way we completely lost perspective and a sense of scale (of what we gave up/continue to give up). Not to mention a basic understanding of risk.
Or maybe I’m wrong, I am still open to that possibility lol. I’m just fucking sick of this virus continuing to have such an impact on our lives.
#disgruntledbusinessowner


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Same here, sick and tired of this virus. In fact, I think it’s safe to assume a big proportion of the population are on the same boat as us. Even fellow forum members here are changing their tune when previously they were happy to obey the health orders.

I think people do want to get on with their lives, but the morbid fact is the pandemic is actually causing people to get sick and not be able to participate in the economy. It’s the same effect as lockdown I suppose.

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Originally Posted by GoldfishMan

Same here, sick and tired of this virus. In fact, I think it’s safe to assume a big proportion of the population are on the same boat as us. Even fellow forum members here are changing their tune when previously they were happy to obey the health orders.

I think people do want to get on with their lives, but the morbid fact is the pandemic is actually causing people to get sick and not be able to participate in the economy. It’s the same effect as lockdown I suppose.

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Yeah, it’s worse than lockdown actually, not just for the lack of govt support, but the sheer unpredictability. And for businesses in my industry that supply perishable product to the hospitality industry, the level of unpredictability is devastating. And can’t be sustained for long.

On another note, did you hear that real estate agents are on the list of essential workers? What a joke lol. For any real estate agents I might’ve offended here, I’m not sorry [emoji51]


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Originally Posted by Basil22

Yeah, it’s worse than lockdown actually, not just for the lack of govt support, but the sheer unpredictability. And for businesses in my industry that supply perishable product to the hospitality industry, the level of unpredictability is devastating. And can’t be sustained for long.

On another note, did you hear that real estate agents are on the list of essential workers? What a joke lol. For any real estate agents I might’ve offended here, I’m not sorry [emoji51]


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The effect on the economy as a result of people getting sick and not working might be shorter and I would assume far less expensive than hard lockdowns, the amount of time it takes for the individual to recover/isolate and get back to work or once the peak is over, which will hopefully be in a couple of weeks.


If it's a hard lockdown it could potentially last several more months longer by "flattening the curve". The govt will then have to use taxes to pay billions and billions of dollars to businesses over several months in an economy that is already shitting its pants.

We simply cant keep doing lockdowns every year and we can't keep giving boosters to everyone every 6 months especially while 10% of poor nations citizens barley have one dose potentially leading to new variants on our shores. We need to do something different, time will tell if having massive amounts of natural immunity will help.

Haha real estate agents need to pay off their BMW'S some how.

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Originally Posted by Basil22

Yeah, it’s worse than lockdown actually, not just for the lack of govt support, but the sheer unpredictability. And for businesses in my industry that supply perishable product to the hospitality industry, the level of unpredictability is devastating. And can’t be sustained for long.

On another note, did you hear that real estate agents are on the list of essential workers? What a joke lol. For any real estate agents I might’ve offended here, I’m not sorry [emoji51]


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Gotta keep that property bubble pumping no matter what, right? lol