Sugarbabes - Sydney, Melbourne and Gold Coast markets

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Originally Posted by Xorro

Good info being shared here guys. My experience with SD was a brief one and not good.

I signed up with Seeking as a premium member for a couple of months.
The first person I met in person off the Seeking site seemed a bit of a scammer.

We had a meal at a restaurant which I paid for and at the end of the meal when we were planning to leave, she asked for about 200$ in cab charge, so all up it cost around 300$ - bit of a waste if you ask me since there was no intimacy involved. I lost interest both in the girl and in SD and didn’t pursue things any further.

I think the key is to be upfront early on regarding financial and other expectations and whether any $$ will change hands without intimacy.

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So I guess need to be clear about what happens on a date. Ie any money to be paid just for meetup

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Originally Posted by paulgallen

So I guess need to be clear about what happens on a date. Ie any money to be paid just for meetup

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Yeah if you meet a girl for a drink/dinner, you'll have to pay for that. You can then see if you click and if she can host, then you're all set.

If she can't host then a cheap hotel or Dayuse or your place if you can.

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No different to chatting a girl up in a pub or an interest group apart from joining fees etc etc

Thanks Riff888 and BennyB. Your posts are always interesting and helpful with lots of information. I appreciate that you share your experience with us to avoid wasting our money. It's not often that you get these info for free 😀

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Originally Posted by Xorro

Good info being shared here guys. My experience with SD was a brief one and not good.

I signed up with Seeking as a premium member for a couple of months.
The first person I met in person off the Seeking site seemed a bit of a scammer.

We had a meal at a restaurant which I paid for and at the end of the meal when we were planning to leave, she asked for about 200$ in cab charge, so all up it cost around 300$ - bit of a waste if you ask me since there was no intimacy involved. I lost interest both in the girl and in SD and didn’t pursue things any further.

I think the key is to be upfront early on regarding financial and other expectations and whether any $$ will change hands without intimacy.

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I’m sorry to hear you had a crap first (and only?) experience Xorro.

A $200 cab charge is extortionate. I’m happy to take a chance on dinner with a a good looking girl if there has been an indication that the chemistry is there. I prefer to back myself in to seduce them over dinner.

But if I’m paying $200 in cab fare, then perhaps I’m the one who got hooked? Where on earth could you go for that money? I’ll either put you on the train or drive you home if necessary.

In the end, it’s all part of the education. Presumably you will be sharper the next time around?

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Originally Posted by paulgallen

So I guess need to be clear about what happens on a date. Ie any money to be paid just for meetup

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It is important to be clear, but don’t be so specific and demanding that you kill the vibe.

As I said on the other thread, I never pay for my time. It’s as valuable as hers.

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Originally Posted by BennyB

I thought it might be useful to provide some basic comparisons of the Sydney, Melbourne and Gold Coast market for Sugarbabes. I punt in all three.

My target market setting is usually 22-28, slim or Athletic. Caucasians or Eurasians are my personal preference.

I will sometimes raise the age bracket as there are some lovely, fit women who are in the 28 - 35 bracket, no kids and have a better understanding of their bodies and sexuality (don't we all when we are older?)

My observations as follows for the Sydney market:

• Higher and faster response rates
• More direct and business like conversations in Sydney
• i.e. "don't text me, just call me"
• Faster to move from SA to kik/whatsapp/text
• Girls are much readily available to meet, I'm am usually propositioned to meet on the day
• Little hesitation to meet for coffee/lunch/drinks. The girls are so confident that after the pre meet comes the play time, it's almost a given for them.
• Hardly anyone asking for deposits or pre payments (I don't think I have received one to date)
• Prices are currently feel a bit inflated. Some of this is their annual post Christmas credit card repayment cycle 😂
• $500 in Sydney is comparable to $400 in Melbourne and Gold Coast
• A number of chancers who will throw out big numbers, but if you know how to negotiate, this can easily be $500
• Timing of dates can be a little quicker. Usually an hour over lunch/dinner/cocktails followed by 2+ hours of play. Usually 2 rounds of 45 minutes each is what I look for as an outcome.

Ongoing I aim to achieve a lower PPM overall. I'll pay a little more for a once off, or first time meet.

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This is fucken gold bro when I go up to Brisbane for magic round this year I will make sure I have a young stunner to smash for the entire 3 days 😂

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Originally Posted by Vader

No different to chatting a girl up in a pub or an interest group apart from joining fees etc etc

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I’d say quite different. Especially if you are married/partnered and over 40. Even for the younger guys who struggle with dating women in their private lives, this is one pathway that can help them improve their game. Just as it is a means for many younger women to accelerate their own life experience.

Every arrangement is different and valuable life experience. In the same way that spending time with a professional sex worker is valuable experience.

Haha I just got banned from TNT for using a review I wrote on this forum.

I wonder who told them Mr Benny or maybe you are a TNT moderator.

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Small fry on this thread from what I have heard. Girls earning 10k a month but have to fuck like machines and party.

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Originally Posted by Rogeryou

This is fucken gold bro when I go up to Brisbane for magic round this year I will make sure I have a young stunner to smash for the entire 3 days ��

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Hi Roger you are welcome. A lot young women travel down to the Gold Coast on weekends, so Brisbane can be deserted on Fridays. That might be worth thinking about when are considering timing.

I also found the Gold Coast women more available during the week. That's handy for me anyway as I can be moving between States for work anyway.

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Originally Posted by Hippo80

Thanks Riff888 and BennyB. Your posts are always interesting and helpful with lots of information. I appreciate that you share your experience with us to avoid wasting our money. It's not often that you get these info for free ��

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You are welcome Hippo. There were very few resources around when I first started punting Sugarbabes a few years ago. I'm just sharing what I wish I had known when I set out.

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Originally Posted by BennyB

Hi Roger you are welcome. A lot young women travel down to the Gold Coast on weekends, so Brisbane can be deserted on Fridays. That might be worth thinking about when are considering timing.

I also found the Gold Coast women more available during the week. That's handy for me anyway as I can be moving between States for work anyway.

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I will be looking to book some hottie out for 48 hours straight 😆 I am sure I will find something

Raybo, I know girls that earn that in less than a week without hard work. Actually, some in a night. No big deal.

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Originally Posted by Vader

Raybo, I know girls that earn that in less than a week without hard work. Actually, some in a night. No big deal.

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10k in a night 😳😳😳😳😳
Hope whatever they are doing is legal

There are as many different women who have signed up to a Sugarbabe site as there are different women in a bar.

It would be wrong to make the assumption that they are all the same, or have the same motivations.

You don’t pick them as much as they select you.

So play if you have game, or want to learn how to improve yours.

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Originally Posted by Riff888

Haha I just got banned from TNT for using a review I wrote on this forum.

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I've always thought they were an excellent judge of character over there. Your post confirms it.

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Originally Posted by Vader

I know girls that earn that in less than a week without hard work. Actually, some in a night. No big deal.

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Do you mean on Sugarbabe sites? Who are these spenders and why would they come to seeking.com if they have that kind of money to blow on an evening?

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Originally Posted by BennyB

I've always thought they were an excellent judge of character over there. Your post confirms it.

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Haha they knew it from this site. That moderator Treanchy or something contacted me but said subscription is welcome, yes good judge of character [emoji1]

I used the same username as my one here and was waiting to see how long a TNT spy would report me to the mods.

Anyway all good.

We just move on on this forum.

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Originally Posted by Vader

Raybo, I know girls that earn that in less than a week without hard work. Actually, some in a night. No big deal.

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I know the popular WLs were making up to $10k per week pre Covid but never heard of this per night.

I've seen some privates advertise from $1,500 to $4k for overnight stays.

Maybe the girls that serviced Kerry Packer back in the day were making this or more.

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The real good ones are still getting it Riff. There is a big market out there with men that can afford it.

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Originally Posted by Vader

The real good ones are still getting it Riff. There is a big market out there with men that can afford it.

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Yes the top 1%

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Originally Posted by Riff888

Yes the top 1%

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I have seven of them and I am only a small operator. There are a lot more than you think. You don't know about them if you aren't in that league.

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Originally Posted by Vader

I have seven of them and I am only a small operator. There are a lot more than you think. You don't know about them if you aren't in that league.

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You are an agent?

A few observations from my week in Melbourne on business:

- The Sugarbabe market is starting to turn up some new profiles, which is good. It seems like more girls are starting to join up to the site again after the end of their lockdowns

- The ratio of Sugarbabes to Sugardaddies in Melbourne is higher than Sydney and it is usually a good place to go if you are into SBs as the students are plentiful.

- The women in general just dress very well down there. Of the two girls I saw while I was in town, it did impress me how much care they take in their appearance. It’s always nice to be in public with someone who takes a bit of care in their appearance and turns heads.

- I thought the accommodation was going to be more expensive this week because the tennis was on, but there were still many more options (hotels / Airbnbs) than I can sometimes find back in Sydney.

- A comparison of Dayuse rates shows me that Melbourne Dayuse options are more flexible than Sydney and about 15 - 40% cheaper in most cases. A lot more boutique hotels on offer.

- My two PPMs both settled at $400. In both cases we talked about it over dinner and went back to the hotel I was staying in. One was a protected meet (although BBBJ was nice) and one was unprotected. One I paid cash and the other by electronic transfer (her preference).

- I found it really easy to get a table at almost any restaurant in Melbourne. The options are plentiful as the city runs all night, although the patronage is down, so walk ins are easier than I’ve found in the past (usually always had to book)

Flying into Melbourne is still a bit like Checkpoint Charlie, although coming back to Sydney was a breeze. No checks or restrictions whatsoever. I also noticed a lower level of mask enforcement on the airplane.