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Originally Posted by massage addict

wrong inclusive rates need to make a come back thats how every single rub and tug used to work. It stops these greedy bitches asking too much for extras.

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WADR, where did YOU (2nd person plural) go to school?

• SYD brothel = BKK MP - fixed service prices
• SYD MP = BKK bar - negotiable service prices

The first is like shooting fish in a barrel. The second is for fishermen who enjoy fishing.

If your thing is the first (nothing wrong with it), stay with the MP's elsewhere. But if you've got some game, go for the second, enjoy the sport.

Looking at the other side of the coin (as I always do), why is it

• Contractors don't have fixed prices? My shower drain is clogged with hair, my bog is clogged with shit, why isn't it a fixed rate to unclog a DRAIN, regardless of the unpleasantness? The electrician gives a price, start time, then doesn't show. Eventually shows, completes half the work, then disappears (no doubt, better offer). Returns, extra charges due to problems, then leaves the site in disrepair when HIS wiring is finished. WTF - there should be FIXED prices.
  
  
• For the hourly gents, why don't you tell your boss you'll take a cut in rate, work more hours. Won't you make more in the long run? And certainly be one of the last to be laid-off during slack times.
  
  
• For the salary types, why don't you make yourself look good to management by foregoing your bonus? You'll be a treasured employee.

Always seems that the workers are the greedy bitches until it comes to a discussion of YOUR work and fees. Just sayin...

Myself, as I've said MANY times, my attitude is, it never hurts to ask. But likewise, I can always politely decline. (Actually reading a book now on how amazing the voice is - much more complicated than I'd ever thought. I'm just thankful I have one that I can use).

BTW: An OTT price is a "get lost" price, that is, the price that she is willing to do YOU for.

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Originally Posted by woods23

How much do you guys tip for fs? After it is all done. Price was never mentioned at the start... some ml won't say it, so go with the flow.

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First, point of order: it's not a TIP, it's a SERVICE FEE.

Myself, I never go in without a known price, lessons learned a long time ago (I went to school in bars). I'll ask for a price. If she gives me the "Up to you", I make an offer and have it accepted. It just avoids so many problems. I know what the going rates are, and i KNOW what HER experience is worth to ME. And I'm always looking for regulars, so establishing a fixed fee that is acceptable to both ensures that for future business, the same will be paid and accepted. BTW: Graduated Suma CUM LOUDA...

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Originally Posted by massage addict

wrong inclusive rates need to make a come back thats how every single rub and tug used to work. It stops these greedy bitches asking too much for extras.

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inclusive rates are so wrong, and as you can see only 4 or 5 shops in Sydney have this wrong structure.
''' It stops these greedy bitches asking too much for extras''' ... you control the session, so in case the ml is asking for crazy money, you can say no thank you ... and my opinion is, to give your feedback to the owner so greedy ml can change attitude or change job.

I have never paid excessive tips, the customer controls the session 100%.
Rarely has happened to me to meet greedy ml [ my tip is fair and makes sense] and when this happened simply I stopped the session and I had only massage.

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Originally Posted by woods23

How much do you guys tip for fs? After it is all done. Price was never mentioned at the start... some ml won't say it, so go with the flow.

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I have few ml's that I see often, for an hour session [ Ginza service] my tip is 180$. When I see them for 45min. my tip is 150$. and for 30min. my tip is 120$. - Shop rate 50-65-75.

Ultimately the model should be because Ginza is probably the highest quality guaranteed sex.

The FS price from any ML should theoretically be LESS THAN GINZA.

$170-200 FOR 30 min fs.
All costs.

If it's higher than that the question becomes why not just go to Ginza.

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Originally Posted by Sendmetheacti

Ultimately the model should be because Ginza is probably the highest quality guaranteed sex.

The FS price from any ML should theoretically be LESS THAN GINZA.

$170-200 FOR 30 min fs.
All costs.

If it's higher than that the question becomes why not just go to Ginza.

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Because for just $20-$40 more (above $200), I can have an hour of relaxation and relaxation and NOT feel like I'm just a widget on an assembly line.

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Originally Posted by 11Bravo

Massage (for the room and the legit massage): $70-$90/hour

Extras:
Part 2: +$50 NHJ
Part 2.1 +$50 other sexual activities short of penetration, e.g. B2B, oral (probably CBJ but could be BBBJ), Spanish, etc.
Part 3 +$50 FS

Total: $150 SERVICE FEES. There's no "skipping" needed, up to you and the ML as to the speed of the progression. Maybe a little "handsy", followed by some "oral", followed by some "pelvic thrusters" if you've paid "in full".

Each stage is "additive", and includes the lower numbered stages, e.g. $100 should get you a NHJ + oral, but not FS (OK, with some ladies, it will allow you "access" to check her oil with your dipstick).

Grand total, bottom line: $70 to $90 + (SERVICE FEES noted above) = in most cases, $220 to $240/hour for FS

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Great summary brother 11Bravo,


Don't think I ever went through what you listed above, usually it's just a straight forward NHJ for $50, I have been lucky enough that over the years, I was getting Spanish most of the time with the minimum tip. Lovely G Cups Emma of DIVA was the first person who wanted more for titty fuck (after she became very popular...haha) but how could I refuse?

Some regular MLs may throw in a bit of free BJ here and there. and on the occasions that I needed a fuck, I just handed over the $100 with the condom and had the works.

There had been a few occasions which I paid $200 for the part 3. The first time was at the Chequers with a super hot Korean girl, first met her with the NHJ all inclusive house fees. She had the most stunning pair of all natural 36 Double D Cups, so I had to fuck her, came back the following week, booked and fucked and $200 was her price.

Then a couple more times when I again just felt that I need to be inside certain MLs and I hated to bargain or be rejected, so I just gave them $200 at the beginning of the session and everyone were happy.


PS. I think there is really no one rule for all, and that's the beauty and evil of RnT vs Brothels. You want something set and guaranteed, you know where to go. When in a RnT shop, you have the choice so is the lady. Of course, most occasions the MLs will just charge to usual "market" prices in fear of losing customers and income, but for those younger and popular ones, don't expect to find too many bargains these days. and TBH, many members here ENJOY the uncertainty and bargaining games too and that's why they go for a massage.

Last but not least, it's a different feel when you are having sex with a WL in a brothel vs a ML in a massage shop. if you don't feel that, you shouldn't be reading this.................lol

Well, well, well, I might as well spell it out:

point 1, in a brothel, anyone can walk in and can fuck any WL with the works. if you go late in the day, your WL could have been fucked more than 10 times and sucked as many cocks. most likely Not the case in a massage shop.

point 2, same as above, but your ML may not offer FS to every customer, BUT YOU (so you think and believe...........lol) and ONLY YOU.....haha - you will love that feelings won't you.

point 3, while fucking in a nice bed in the brothel is great, have sex in a small massage room on a tiny massage table give you a sense of advantage and excitement, no ?

need we go on ?

Cheers


Happy Punting everyone.

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Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR

Great summary brother 11Bravo,


Don't think I ever went through what you listed above, usually it's just a straight forward NHJ for $50, I have been lucky enough that over the years, I was getting Spanish most of the time with the minimum tip. Lovely G Cups Emma of DIVA was the first person who wanted more for titty fuck (after she became very popular...haha) but how could I refuse?

Some regular MLs may throw in a bit of free BJ here and there. and on the occasions that I needed a fuck, I just handed over the $100 with the condom and had the works.

There had been a few occasions which I paid $200 for the part 3. The first time was at the Chequers with a super hot Korean girl, first met her with the NHJ all inclusive house fees. She had the most stunning pair of all natural 36 Double D Cups, so I had to fuck her, came back the following week, booked and fucked and $200 was her price.

Then a couple more times when I again just felt that I need to be inside certain MLs and I hated to bargain or be rejected, so I just gave them $200 at the beginning of the session and everyone were happy.


PS. I think there is really no one rule for all, and that's the beauty and evil of RnT vs Brothels. You want something set and guaranteed, you know where to go. When in a RnT shop, you have the choice so is the lady. Of course, most occasions the MLs will just charge to usual "market" prices in fear of losing customers and income, but for those younger and popular ones, don't expect to find too many bargains these days. and TBH, many members here ENJOY the uncertainty and bargaining games too and that's why they go for a massage.

Last but not least, it's a different feel when you are having sex with a WL in a brothel vs a ML in a massage shop. if you don't feel that, you shouldn't be reading this.................lol

Well, well, well, I might as well spell it out:

point 1, in a brothel, anyone can walk in and can fuck any WL with the works. if you go late in the day, your WL could have been fucked more than 10 times and sucked as many cocks. most likely Not the case in a massage shop.

point 2, same as above, but your ML may not offer FS to every customer, BUT YOU (so you think and believe...........lol) and ONLY YOU.....haha - you will love that feelings won't you.

point 3, while fucking in a nice bed in the brothel is great, have sex in a small massage room on a tiny massage table give you a sense of advantage and excitement, no ?

need we go on ?

Cheers


Happy Punting everyone.

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You have lived a good life Lungor. The adventures have been real. I think the most important part when partaking in FS, whether a ML or WL, is that you get back as good as you give. Then the money nor the place are that important 😎

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Originally Posted by trampslikeus55

You have lived a good life Lungor. The adventures have been real. I think the most important part when partaking in FS, whether a ML or WL, is that you get back as good as you give. Then the money nor the place are that important 😎

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Well said Bro,


I think personally I have been doing extremely well, punting wise, I'm not really a FS person (too much guilty feeling........lol), except on one of those occasions when the lust and desires overwhelmed the head......haha

While I'm pretty sure there are still lots of gems around in the industry at the moment to be discovered and enjoyed. I just couldn't get over the good old days with the abundance and seemingly endless supply of good quality (BUSTY !!) MLs. From the Golden Era of At Michelles, Chequers, Zanadu, Babylon & 501/532 Newtown to the arrivals of SL, SF, 316, 227 Broadway, QVB, Stanmore, Diva, Sussex Stars, Bellas, Summerviles, Sydney Baby, Pyrmont, 200, Oasis etc. etc.

We are so very lucky.


Cheers

The 50/50/50 splits I gave are MY personal CEILINGS, which I've found, in just about all cases, have worked just fine. My experience, Spanish is $100 over and above the massage shop fee, but perhaps I'm just lazy. Several have offered FS for $100 (maybe that's with their senior discount). Others, when responding with "Up to you", I've offered $130 which was readily accepted (I never leave it open ended, lessons learned decades ago).

Full disclosure: both $130's became regulars, and after a number of visits, I UNILATERALLY upped the SERVICE fee to $150. Reward for solid service and loyalty.

MY experience, the initial price you pay will (or should) be the same price for subsequent visits flying the same class. For BOTH parties, if it was accepted once, it should be again. A unilateral decrease on the punter's side can cause problems. Why I NEVER TIP (it's a SERVICE FEE). My tip is repeat business.

As to the good old days... in SYD, couldn't say. But no offense to the Ozboys, SYD is really not one of the world's punting meccas. For me, it's convenient, a sideshow, for when I have other reasons to be here. I've been fortunate to play in a couple of the world's punting meccas, and in their glory days. But I always say, quoting the last line of The Wild Bunch, "It ain't like it used to be, but, ah... it'll do".

https://youtu.be/R6-LDKl3FOs?si=lybG9HHkTu2NNjBO&t=50

That's me, laughing... And if you can't laugh, you're doing something wrong...

I've recently been to an RNT and for me personally I still prefer brothel. The reasons being regardless if you book 30min or 1 hour the ML charge a flat rate for FS and can only allow 1 shot. For brothel I can do 2 shots in 1 hour and so it's more bang for my buck, just have to book WL early in their roster so they're fresh

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Originally Posted by thepoonter

I've recently been to an RNT and for me personally I still prefer brothel. The reasons being regardless if you book 30min or 1 hour the ML charge a flat rate for FS and can only allow 1 shot. For brothel I can do 2 shots in 1 hour and so it's more bang for my buck, just have to book WL early in their roster so they're fresh

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I have few ml's that I see often, for an hour session [ Ginza service] my tip is 180$. When I see them for 45min. my tip is 150$. and for 30min. my tip is 120$. - Shop rate 50-65-75.
Rarely the tip can go 20$ more.

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Originally Posted by Peter69

I see my regular at Ramsgate & she charges me $180 for FS, I think it’s a bit much but it’s her fee so I don’t sit there and argue or talk her down, I can afford it so I’m sure it helps her as the FS is pretty good

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So that’s $230 all up?