Audrey - Starfish princess

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Originally Posted by bob5

So one of the bad experiences reported here is because the WL dont provide DFK when the services advertised so by the agent ?

IMHO:

- We should understand and view this experience from the WL as well.

- WLs can not or should not provide DFK ,BBBJ to every punters even the services are advertised so!!!
Because some of the punters got bad breath and/or his hygiene/condition is not as good as expected by the lady. For example: as you might known it already , one of the punters in this forum said he wants find where the Caucasian WLs dont do the routine health checks because he got something like STDs in his genital so he ends up did a CIM on one of the poor asian WLs in one of the Asian shops here!
- So the question here is that doesn't she has the right to refuse BBBJ/DFK service to this guy even when the services advertised so ? and do you punters still want to DFK that WL after she got CIM from that guy ? or should we support asian WLs to have the rights to refuse to provide any services when she finds the punter's condition looks suspicious or she does not feel it is safe enough for her to provide the service ?

- All the Asian Shops and agents in this forum should and please advertise those DFK and BBBJ etc services with " at the lady's discretion " so all the punters are not misleading and understand that the ladies always have the rights to provide or refuse the services as all other Caucasian WLs.

- Should asian WLs have the same rights to health check the punters before she provides any natural services ?

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She did DFK with others ...

Some guys here reckon $300+ should buy them everything though ! ;) ;) ;)

It's not about expecting everything. It's about expecting that you get what you paid for.

What upsets the customers is if the shop severely exaggerates the girl's looks, her services and the customer is short changed in time.

I have no problem if the girl has an issue with the guy because of hygiene and also health concerns. And I am sure the other users of this forum would agree. It is definitely within the girl's right to refuse.

I know in my case with Audrey that my breath did not smell and I do not have any stds (visible or otherwise). And to boot I was short changed time. At all times I was courteous and calm.

And I have a sneaking suspicion that other users who have posted about their negatives experiences in this thread were also hard done by, but have been discouraged to speak out previously for fear of being criticised, attacked or having their integrity questioned.

I support a WL's right to refuse DFK if I have bad breath or look diseased, but I always prepare for a $300+ punt by avoiding smelly foods and flossing and cleaning my teeth with toothpaste beforehand and using mouthwash if provided, and no I don't look diseased, yet I have missed out on DFK by some MOC girls of late ...

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Originally Posted by 4some

It's not about expecting everything. It's about expecting that you get what you paid for.

What upsets the customers is if the shop severely exaggerates the girl's looks, her services and the customer is short changed in time.

I have no problem if the girl has an issue with the guy because of hygiene and also health concerns. And I am sure the other users of this forum would agree. It is definitely within the girl's right to refuse.

I know in my case with Audrey that my breath did not smell and I do not have any stds (visible or otherwise). And to boot I was short changed time. At all times I was courteous and calm.

And I have a sneaking suspicion that other users who have posted about their negatives experiences in this thread were also hard done by, but have been discouraged to speak out previously for fear of being criticised, attacked or having their integrity questioned.

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The exaggeration claim of the girl's look is very arguable, just ask Max Impact who has seen the same girl ! :miao:

I haven't seen any MOC girls for almost a year now, so I can't comment on the quality of late. But if it's a short change of time, there's ground for a complaint !

And why Audrey would DFK one and not the other, I can't comment either, but at least it shows that she does provide the service as advertised !

And the comment about some people being discouraged to speak out for fear of being criticised, it's quite the opposite. People are more interested in voicing negative comments in the history of any public forums, while the satisfied ones tend to remain silent if they haven't posted any compliment in the first place, for fear of being criticised or attacked of being working for the shop !

I think this thread is very topical at the moment as recently a few shops here have been found out to advertise girls with fake pics. Punters are not stupid and don't like to be taken for fools.

False advertising is not right, whether it's with fake pics or descriptions of the girls. If a girl is not prepared to offer an advertised service then she should let the punter know before the session begins so that the punter can either walk away or pay his money knowing he will not receive a certain service. No one here is saying that girls should be forced to offer every service to every punter, everyone has a right, punter and the WL.

Punters who pay FULL price for a session with a MOC WL should expect to receive the services advertised unless they are told not expect them BEFORE their money is taken. In my opinion the punter has a right to feel ripped off and unhappy.

Before reading this thread I was unaware that certain writers here are incentivised to write reports, but I am starting to see how not everything is as it appears. Some glowing reports are so well written and obviously taken some time to write that it makes you wonder why someone would spend so much of their valuable time writing it if there was nothing in it for them.

Before the GFC, rating agencies like S&P were paid to assign their AAA rating to financial products that were nothing but junk. We all know how that ended up. It's a very good example of what might be happening when a writer is given an incentive to make comments about a session.

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Originally Posted by Sifu

You're kidding right? The reason why this thread focussing on the negatives of the $350 agencies has received so much attention is because the vast majority of posts are positive or absurdly a sales pitch dressed as a review.

Im actually surprised this thread hasnt been deleted yet or closed! Past negative posts are regularly deleted so that those who do complain are the ones howled down.

Throughout the 10+ years Ive been on this forum its always been this way.

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I am really glad that a member that has been around for as long as you have is voicing their thoughts on the topic. If a baby member such as myself speaks out it is very easy for senior members to discredit them and label them trolls.

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Originally Posted by bob5

So one of the bad experiences reported here is because the WL dont provide DFK when the services advertised so by the agent ?

IMHO:

- We should understand and view this experience from the WL as well.

- WLs can not or should not provide DFK ,BBBJ to every punters even the services are advertised so!!!
Because some of the punters got bad breath and/or his hygiene/condition is not as good as expected by the lady. For example: as you might known it already , one of the punters in this forum said he wants find where the Caucasian WLs dont do the routine health checks because he got something like STDs in his genital so he ends up did a CIM on one of the poor asian WLs in one of the Asian shops here!
- So the question here is that doesn't she has the right to refuse BBBJ/DFK service to this guy even when the services advertised so ? and do you punters still want to DFK that WL after she got CIM from that guy ? or should we support asian WLs to have the rights to refuse to provide any services when she finds the punter's condition looks suspicious or she does not feel it is safe enough for her to provide the service ?

- All the Asian Shops and agents in this forum should and please advertise those DFK and BBBJ etc services with " at the lady's discretion " so all the punters are not misleading and understand that the ladies always have the rights to provide or refuse the services as all other Caucasian WLs.

- Should asian WLs have the same rights to health check the punters before she provides any natural services ?

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Spot on. Dfffk and bbbj and worse of all CIM shall only be optional at the girls discretion. Make it compulsory for girls perform those is just illegal.

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Originally Posted by Sifu

You're kidding right? The reason why this thread focussing on the negatives of the $350 agencies has received so much attention is because the vast majority of posts are positive or absurdly a sales pitch dressed as a review.

Im actually surprised this thread hasnt been deleted yet or closed! Past negative posts are regularly deleted so that those who do complain are the ones howled down.

Throughout the 10+ years Ive been on this forum its always been this way.

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If you've been here so long and you haven't been sleeping, you should know what I said was right, any negative comment will escalate to a full on riot !

And people need to read the forum rule no.8, avoid criticising the writer !

Lol so many conspiracies. This is turning to be an amusing thread.

It all seems to boil down to failure at managing expectations properly. MOC is indeed charging more than a brothel would. But shops that are far cheaper have better hygiene. It's like flying business class only to find you are on a bizarro plane where economy has somehow become business instead. This could be a byproduct of squalid living conditions for the girls too because they actually live on-site. Perhaps infighting is also killing their moods.

And quite frankly the label of 'brand' and 'movie-star' face is quite a joke nowadays. Anyone who is not on par with Porya is not a movie star face, lol. Good looking, yes. But the funny thing is, the girl in question is not even on par with non-brand girls. And then stating a girl has model like silky smooth skin who ends up having a lot of scars? That's really too much. Standards have really lowered. But I see a lot of quality girls roaming the streets of Chinatown. Surely you can get ahold of some of those?

Either that, or someone in the office has a very subjective view of beauty that is not universal when interviewing their girls. Sounds harsh. But this is a service they are providing - you need to get the right staff to thrive.

That all being said, will I still try the other girls? Maybe. I've been pleasantly surprised before, more times than not. And it is a punt in the end.

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Originally Posted by ukoyrnez

And then stating a girl has model like silky smooth skin who ends up having a lot of scars? That's really too much. Standards have really lowered. But I see a lot of quality girls roaming the streets of Chinatown. Surely you can get ahold of some of those?


That all being said, will I still try the other girls? Maybe. I've been pleasantly surprised before, more times than not. And it is a punt in the end.

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Haha ! That's really interesting ! :miao:

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Originally Posted by Business Class

Before reading this thread I was unaware that certain writers here are incentivised to write reports, but I am starting to see how not everything is as it appears. Some glowing reports are so well written and obviously taken some time to write that it makes you wonder why someone would spend so much of their valuable time writing it if there was nothing in it for them.

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BC, that I can remember no one has ever accused MOC of organising reviews. How did you come to this position?

Yeh, often I write a review and it takes as long as the actual session. I enjoy grabbing a glass of wine and honing my literary skills and reminiscing the great time that I had. To suggest that a well written review must therefore be a false one is ludicrous. As I've said before, most of us review many different agencies and shops. If you wish to start a conspiracy theory maybe start on those that only review one shop. But even then I believe the vast majority are real.

In any case, criticise the reviewers (breaking forum rules) and what will you be left with if they stop due to a lack of appreciation?

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Originally Posted by Max Impact

BC, that I can remember no one has ever accused MOC of organising reviews. How did you come to this position?

Yeh, often I write a review and it takes as long as the actual session. I enjoy grabbing a glass of wine and honing my literary skills and reminiscing the great time that I had. To suggest that a well written review must therefore be a false one is ludicrous. As I've said before, most of us review many different agencies and shops. If you wish to start a conspiracy theory maybe start on those that only review one shop. But even then I believe the vast majority are real.

In any case, criticise the reviewers (breaking forum rules) and what will you be left with if they stop due to a lack of appreciation?

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Max I never once mentioned your name in my comments nor criticized you but you seem to keep defending yourself. I noticed you took offence to CL's comments earlier in this thread too, and he didn't even have a go at you.

Ease up mate, and relax. By all means continue to write your reports and spend as much time as you like doing it. Hell, you can even make it your day job writing after reports, I'm not going to have a go at you.

Do you have a conspiracy about me defending myself?

When you mentioned well written reviews I knew that you could only be talking about me.

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Originally Posted by wilisno

If you've been here so long and you haven't been sleeping, you should know what I said was right, any negative comment will escalate to a full on riot !

And people need to read the forum rule no.8, avoid criticising the writer !

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Does rule no 8 also apply when a member writes a negative report and he gets criticized for being too negative? There are examples of that on here but those members that criticized are seemingly still around.

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Originally Posted by Business Class

Does rule no 8 also apply when a member writes a negative report and he gets criticized for being too negative? There are examples of that on here but those members that criticized are seemingly still around.

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Did anybody say he's not telling the truth, that he's working for the shop's competitions, or things like that ? If that happened, then it's violating the rules !

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Originally Posted by Max Impact

When you mentioned well written reviews I knew that you could only be talking about me.

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Sorry mate, I'd hate to tell you but you are not the only one on this forum that writes well written reports.

So again, I can't understand why you have felt like you needed to defend yourself on two occasions when the comments were not about you, either explicitly or implicitly.

No conspiracy theories, just asking questions that a reasonable person would....very simple.

Cheers

BC, I see that you don't get my sense of humour. But don't worry, that happens often here.

And I wasn't defending myself, just describing why I write.
I hope that it gave you and others some insight.

But seriously if those that have never written a review throw stones at those that write reviews where will we end up?

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Originally Posted by Max Impact

Do you have a conspiracy about me defending myself?

When you mentioned well written reviews I knew that you could only be talking about me.

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Yes good point, he must have been talking about you and your 'well written' reports.

Oh how I remember our dad 'Ultimate Impact' being quick to praise you for everything. Finished last at the swimming carnival 'you did well Max, the lifeguard let you swim a full 10 mtrs this time before rescuing you' I still remember him saying as we all laughed in the background. Spelt your name wrong on your English test - 'good job Max, you did well to arrive on time' I still recall him saying. And when you used to bring artwork home - 'well done Max, you are so creative' he used to say before whispering to us 'what is that he's painted this time?'

Good to see that you still know you are doing 'well'.

The point is that anyone that writes reviews puts themselves out there to be criticised and as you write more reviews than most you are going to be a potential target. I know we have seen a few common girls and our opinions aren't that much different on those girls at least even if the count of times the girls cum is - it must be something like 1 with me and 154 with you but it's still better than last year when I didn't get on the scoreboard. I eagerly await your review of the girl I recommended highly to you when/if she returns from holidays.

Finally, a breath of fresh air from my brother!

And I remember that I promised to let you see her first before I salivate all over her lithe body.

Sorry to hear about your bad punt brother 4some.

As a new punter i really appreciate the bad reviews to save money but most importantly a bad experience! Hopefully the punting gods smile on your future punts!

I would like to weigh into this thread by say three simple things:

1. Yes MOC girls have been inconsistent lately and this is from someone who has tried everyone of their girls currently on their website except the few Thai girls (nothing against Thai girls, just not my cup of tea lately);
2. However and unfortunately for us, if you want young Chinese students who are new and fresh in the market, MOC and MGD are the only two agencies at the moment. I have tried a couple of newcomers and they were not up to it. It was unfortunate that 18Modello didn't go anywhere in the event;
3. The market is there to be had if any astute business operator is out there. Competition will dictate the quality of their products.

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Originally Posted by Sergaent Brody

I would like to weigh into this thread by say three simple things:

1. Yes MOC girls have been inconsistent lately and this is from someone who has tried everyone of their girls currently on their website except the few Thai girls (nothing against Thai girls, just not my cup of tea lately);
2. However and unfortunately for us, if you want young Chinese students who are new and fresh in the market, MOC and MGD are the only two agencies at the moment. I have tried a couple of newcomers and they were not up to it. It was unfortunate that 18Modello didn't go anywhere in the event;
3. The market is there to be had if any astute business operator is out there. Competition will dictate the quality of their products.

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MOC used to be good, what went wrong ..

I would also like to throw in my 2c.
I personally take the information provided in this forum with a big grain of salt most times. It is true, a lot of the "reviews" on here are blatantly written for an ulterior motive and it is so easy to spot them. These are the ones that have post titles that are meant to attract your attention, and contain details that look OK at first read, but are really ludicrous of you think about it. Stuff like "I pumped her in doggy for 10 minutes, then mish for 9 minutes..." Or a full transcript of the convo with the girl are just bs.
However, even those types of posts are useful in some ways, you just have to know how to use them. Usually the descriptions of the girls are spot on, except for description of facial beauty. For that you just have to get accustomed to the taste of the reviewer. After a few punts, you'll know that a particular reviewer's taste is not the same as yours. So you use that to your advantage in the future.
The other thing is about negative posts. I personally value them more than the positive ones because there is a greater chance that they are truthful. That's not saying they are always right, just that you get the feeling that there is less of a motivation on the receiver to write that review apart from wanting to expose the truth.

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Originally Posted by Sifu

You're kidding right? The reason why this thread focussing on the negatives of the $350 agencies has received so much attention is because the vast majority of posts are positive or absurdly a sales pitch dressed as a review.

Im actually surprised this thread hasnt been deleted yet or closed! Past negative posts are regularly deleted so that those who do complain are the ones howled down.

Throughout the 10+ years Ive been on this forum its always been this way.

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You are absolutely right. and thanks for backing me up. I've been a part time contributor and long time lurker on this forum, but decided that I was going to take a stand on this occasion after being ripped off.

And whilst the overwhelming majority of the posts have been supportive of my stand, there are some replies whilst not attacking me directly, there are one or 2 posts that are subtle in their attacks on my review.

Audrey may well have given good service to other guys, but I know what happened with me, she was was the STARFISH EXPRESS. Afterwards, I felt so disappointed that I may as well have donated $350 to her. I can't comment on the other review that she received from Max - that was his experience and I am not going to question it. Similarly, I am sure Max is not going to question what happened with my booking with Audrey, which unfortunately turned out to be at the other end of the spectrum compared to his (ie sh_thouse).

However, with the support I have received on this forum following my post, it shows that it was not an isolated incident with MOC, and in actual fact if you count the number of responses in this thread about unhappy experiences with MOC, I would say that they would be equal to, if not more than the positive reviews we see posted in the other current MOC threads.

I'd love to see what would happen if I set up separate threads for each of these negative reviews (after all MOC has links for good reviews), but I'm not game to do that for fear of offending somebody.