Lonely Heart's take on Tiffany at Snow Lotus, third time lucky?? Well Yes and No....

Bro noeyedeer
That is bloody unlikely to happen. Chinese massage shops has the worse pricing system in the adult industry. Most of the time the girls make the call for how much they ask for services. It is not uncommon that the girls have an agreement behind the boss’ back and agree on a price on extras. That is esssentally what destroyed this industry. I guess we have Alice and Billy to blame for. Why the fuck didn’t they set the rate up like the Thai B2B massage. So lets say suddenly a girl or the girls want to increase ther extra charge, then is absolutely not a fucking thing that Vicky or the customer can do.

The pricing destroying the industry ??? How did you come to that conclusion ? ;) ;) ;) I thought the massage industry is booming at the moment, going from strength to strength due to this sort of attractions, new ones opening up ever so often !

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Originally Posted by lonely heart

Just a note I am not even going to border to reply to people who just write a few posts and half of them singing and dancing in the SL thread

I do want to reply to brother Bronze's post about pricing been fair or not fair though

U have your point. but there is a bit of history behind this and I tried not to get into that to avoid people telling me to move on. But since you have mentioned it here we go.

All this started (and many of our brothers) started in the days in Burwood 1 (Now 143 Marrickville), Burwood 8 (gone), Burwood 2 (Now 501) and Alice's (Ashfiels). It was $45 all included. Extra is like $20-$30 can get clothers off or even BJ, and sure $50 can get FS 80% of the time. Then Burwood got clean up and while Burwood 2 resurface at Newtown as 501, this tradition has been retain since then. ie HJ included. You will not believe at a point 501 is where every girl want to go and work cos it is so busy.

Now that the massage shop business has become much harder to make money, the owner and girls trying to milk as much out of customer as possible and with many old shops and old girls gone. The new ones is making tiping $20 for HJ a norm. This changed the price scale as no one would willing to take their clothes off for $30 anymore so nude gone up to $50 and so FS go up to $70 or $80 and in many case in many case $100.

Now coming from where we were before and when other type of shop has not put their price up and many has gone down. You can’t help feeling what I am feeling.

Off to work Brothers.

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I have to disagree what you are saying, you mean all ML should be standardised and charge the same low price for HJ, taking clothes off, BJ and even FS, who do you think you are, and you want to treat the massage girls like slave labour to satisfy your cheap lust??

The massage girls ( not only SL) are human and they have rights and eventhough they work in massage shop, they have a choice to choose what services they are happy and willing to provide, they are not prostitutes, if they are, they would have worked in a brotheles.

Like brother Ahlungor said, if you want FS, go to a FS shops and the cheapest shops is 501 and you can get a free HJ there too. But SL and all the other Chinese shops in city area don't have a set price because the girls work for themselves and I don't think Vicky or any other bosses can or should force the girl to do Hj for free and get nake for another $10 or $20, they have right and they can choice, you don't like it, go somewhere else and stop complainting.

What if the customer is ugly and dirty or have a really bad BO and the girl don't want to serve and do extras, in FS she has no choice but in MS she does, that's why they work in MS instead. I sure all decent human being will understand.

And I am a paying customer at Snow Lotus and I like Cici, Tiffany and Emma there, eventhough I can have much cheaper girls elsewhere, so what??

I also was the reg.customer in MOC, BM, 5* and 22 if I use your head to think about the kind of "value ", so I can also complain them? why I need to pay $300-350 to them? why I don't just go to 5*/22 for better service just only $180, as someone say b4, Tiffany/CiCi may not have a chance to lineup in GF, but I can tell, they 100% can line up at MOC/BM if they want to, some of the girls there were even worse than Tiffany/CiCi, so $100 is nothing at all, what do you thinking in you head? when we go to punting, we will just thinking for Fun and get the smile afterward, then the price is worth it, who will care about the budget of it, only the one who are bargain their budget will ask for cheaper price or even free FS.The food in AU also price up a lot, I used to be eat a lunch for $5 15 years ago, and now nearly $20, why you don't complain them?

Hey! Wake up mate, this is what's the world going on nowadays in the organisation, not 10-20 years ago, which girls want to get FS in cheap price as they were not ugly at all, there have no free lunch anymore.
As I said b4, and I am going to say it again,
" DO NOT use your own standard to appraise the others"

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Originally Posted by ScopionX

I have to disagree what you are saying, you mean all ML should be standardised and charge the same low price for HJ, taking clothes off, BJ and even FS, who do you think you are, and you want to treat the massage girls like slave labour to satisfy your cheap lust??

The massage girls ( not only SL) are human and they have rights and eventhough they work in massage shop, they have a choice to choose what services they are happy and willing to provide, they are not prostitutes, if they are, they would have worked in a brotheles.

Like brother Ahlungor said, if you want FS, go to a FS shops and the cheapest shops is 501 and you can get a free HJ there too. But SL and all the other Chinese shops in city area don't have a set price because the girls work for themselves and I don't think Vicky or any other bosses can or should force the girl to do Hj for free and get nake for another $10 or $20, they have right and they can choice, you don't like it, go somewhere else and stop complainting.

What if the customer is ugly and dirty or have a really bad BO and the girl don't want to serve and do extras, in FS she has no choice but in MS she does, that's why they work in MS instead. I sure all decent human being will understand.

And I am a paying customer at Snow Lotus and I like Cici, Tiffany and Emma there, eventhough I can have much cheaper girls elsewhere, so what??

I also was the reg.customer in MOC, BM, 5* and 22 if I use your head to think about the kind of "value ", so I can also complain them? why I need to pay $300-350 to them? why I don't just go to 5*/22 for better service just only $180, as someone say b4, Tiffany/CiCi may not have a chance to lineup in GF, but I can tell, they 100% can line up at MOC/BM if they want to, some of the girls there were even worse than Tiffany/CiCi, so $100 is nothing at all, what do you thinking in you head? when we go to punting, we will just thinking for Fun and get the smile afterward, then the price is worth it, who will care about the budget of it, only the one who are bargain their budget will ask for cheaper price or even free FS.The food in AU also price up a lot, I used to be eat a lunch for $5 15 years ago, and now nearly $20, why you don't complain them?

Hey! Wake up mate, this is what's the world going on nowadays in the organisation, not 10-20 years ago, which girls want to get FS in cheap price as they were not ugly at all, there have no free lunch anymore.
As I said b4, and I am going to say it again,
" DO NOT use your own standard to appraise the others"

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This is correct you cannot compared all the girls to be same price. I dont mind having another session with Rossi for $2K at the end of the year when I am available for O/N :) so yes pricing will always be different on girls after all they are all different individual.

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Originally Posted by ScopionX

" DO NOT use your own standard to appraise the others"

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Well said bro ! Just like going to a concert, some pay $400 for a standing position near the stage while others pay $50 with a seat for the same concert ! Who's to judge who's wrong either way ! As long as they're happy !

It's all relevant to ur own experience. To me this place is underpriced. I used to go to Babylon for the evening admittedly facilities are a little more grandiose. But in the end I'd pay close to 250 including tips for masseuse and locker room. I enjoyed the seats and big TVs and spa steam etc and girls were some gorgeous some soso and service unless u go same girl was very variable but i still went one or 2 times a week. Sl girls are all very nice all very different personas . SLnot all are the best masseuses on the planet , but some are very good. I feel for the guys who read the good times a lot of us here have reported who go in and expect the works straight away. It's a MASSAGE SHOP. NOT A KNOCK SHOP. GIRLS PANTS DON'T JUST FALL OFF COS U PAY UR 55$ . I go to a.massage shop for massage and if I cos like girl I go back. In this case I like several at sl all lovely all lovely girls and all for different reasons. If something extra happens above and beyond the normal one day happens great if not great time still had and still works out at half what I used to pay. And at babylon I never knew owner and owner did not give a rats ass what I thought of my time there. At sl the lady in charge cares a lot and tries to please everyone .but that is just not possible. If u don't like the place or the price fair enough . Go some where else means I won't wait to see who I like. I been to a lot of massage shops around Sydney and as far as value for dollar spent to ratio of enjoyment factor. Sl wins by a country mile and props to Ahlungor for exposing this gem as its close to home and I enjoy it. If anyone thinks they got better value shops good for you go there . While I can sl does the job nicely for me

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Originally Posted by lonely heart

Bro noeyedeer
That is bloody unlikely to happen. Chinese massage shops has the worse pricing system in the adult industry. Most of the time the girls make the call for how much they ask for services. It is not uncommon that the girls have an agreement behind the boss’ back and agree on a price on extras. That is esssentally what destroyed this industry. I guess we have Alice and Billy to blame for. Why the fuck didn’t they set the rate up like the Thai B2B massage. So lets say suddenly a girl or the girls want to increase ther extra charge, then is absolutely not a fucking thing that Vicky or the customer can do.

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This is true but thats call sales tactic. You sound like now your complaining to much and taking it a bit personal as your first post seem pretty fair and ofcourse your welcome to post about 501 but at the end of the day If lungor happy to promote SL as he like the shop and get along its up to him and some of us will say yep thats true and some will say well I did not have that experience and thats it. I actually paid more extra :) but this is up to me and what service I got :)

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Originally Posted by IExperiment

This is correct you cannot compared all the girls to be same price. I dont mind having another session with Rossi for $2K at the end of the year when I am available for O/N :) so yes pricing will always be different on girls after all they are all different individual.

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Out of all this is this first one I want ot reply. Even the girls compare between themselves first there was the rest of the inner west girls complaining Belmore 1 girls make them so cheap. After that city massage girls saying inner west girls so cheap. Then now the most common one I heard is The rest complaining 501 girls is so cheap. In all thiese cases the later ones want to only do half the work of the former and make double the money.

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Originally Posted by ScopionX

I have to disagree what you are saying, you mean all ML should be standardised and charge the same low price for HJ, taking clothes off, BJ and even FS, who do you think you are, and you want to treat the massage girls like slave labour to satisfy your cheap lust??

The massage girls ( not only SL) are human and they have rights and eventhough they work in massage shop, they have a choice to choose what services they are happy and willing to provide, they are not prostitutes, if they are, they would have worked in a brotheles.

Like brother Ahlungor said, if you want FS, go to a FS shops and the cheapest shops is 501 and you can get a free HJ there too. But SL and all the other Chinese shops in city area don't have a set price because the girls work for themselves and I don't think Vicky or any other bosses can or should force the girl to do Hj for free and get nake for another $10 or $20, they have right and they can choice, you don't like it, go somewhere else and stop complainting.

What if the customer is ugly and dirty or have a really bad BO and the girl don't want to serve and do extras, in FS she has no choice but in MS she does, that's why they work in MS instead. I sure all decent human being will understand.

And I am a paying customer at Snow Lotus and I like Cici, Tiffany and Emma there, eventhough I can have much cheaper girls elsewhere, so what??

I also was the reg.customer in MOC, BM, 5* and 22 if I use your head to think about the kind of "value ", so I can also complain them? why I need to pay $300-350 to them? why I don't just go to 5*/22 for better service just only $180, as someone say b4, Tiffany/CiCi may not have a chance to lineup in GF, but I can tell, they 100% can line up at MOC/BM if they want to, some of the girls there were even worse than Tiffany/CiCi, so $100 is nothing at all, what do you thinking in you head? when we go to punting, we will just thinking for Fun and get the smile afterward, then the price is worth it, who will care about the budget of it, only the one who are bargain their budget will ask for cheaper price or even free FS.The food in AU also price up a lot, I used to be eat a lunch for $5 15 years ago, and now nearly $20, why you don't complain them?

Hey! Wake up mate, this is what's the world going on nowadays in the organisation, not 10-20 years ago, which girls want to get FS in cheap price as they were not ugly at all, there have no free lunch anymore.
As I said b4, and I am going to say it again,
" DO NOT use your own standard to appraise the others"

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1. I never say they are slaves did I? So you think 501 slave their girls ??
2 I did not say they are force to do sex of even HJ, I just say each price should be a fixed rate.
3 The girls can decided the price is the main problem, That is the part that i think 501 did very well. As the customer won't get upset. Again you can not do certathis revives but if you do you have to stay in a price range.
4 if there is someone they dont want to do they can. You think FS girls have to do everyone?? You have not read enough complain about 5*.
5 I was taking stuf in the space of last 7-8 years not 20. and in the punting joins that I go, everywhere has sstay flat or go down in price except chinese massage joins. I never say babylon Midas did I.
6 it is me that should say "DO NOT use your own standard to appraise the others" Cost that is what your reply is all about.

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Originally Posted by wilisno

The pricing destroying the industry ??? How did you come to that conclusion ? ;) ;) ;) I thought the massage industry is booming at the moment, going from strength to strength due to this sort of attractions, new ones opening up ever so often !

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You have no idea how tough is most chinese massage right now, and no this is not my opinion, its facts that told by owner of shops. Main reason:
1 Less supply of girls because of difficulty of getting a visa and the high aus dollar.
2 Very few girls like to learn massage these days, especially the young ones, they just want stand there and look pretty…..and milk $50 off you.
3 Many girls rather go to work in FS rather than massage cos it is less work more money.
4 What’s left who willing to work in massage shop asking higher price and drive customer away
5 FS shops dropping price like hell
Not every shop is SL or 501. In fact The most common format is owner + 1 to 2 girls And it will be lucky the shop has more than 10 jobs a day.

Just some house keeping

I started this as a review of Tiffany at 741. It seems to me apparently some people are object to negative comments. So they will go out and attack whatever negative was written. In my case price (as I have not right any other negative comment about the girl). Someone say “DO NOT use your own standard to appraise the others”. And this is exactly what some people is doing here. It was my test drive of the girl, it was my $155 and it is my after report so I can say whatever the hell I want (by the way I was being very nice, except the pricing comment).

Just another though, many critiser of my opinion has mainly contribute to the SL thread, and reaction seem over reacted coming from a punter. I suspect some members are related to the shop and not happy that I am exposing so much operation stuff for a massage shop.

Again Just a though.

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Originally Posted by lonely heart

Just some house keeping

I started this as a review of Tiffany at 741. It seems to me apparently some people are object to negative comments. So they will go out and attack whatever negative was written. In my case price (as I have not right any other negative comment about the girl). Someone say “DO NOT use your own standard to appraise the others”. And this is exactly what some people is doing here. It was my test drive of the girl, it was my $155 and it is my after report so I can say whatever the hell I want (by the way I was being very nice, except the pricing comment).

Just another though, many critiser of my opinion has mainly contribute to the SL thread, and reaction seem over reacted coming from a punter. I suspect some members are related to the shop and not happy that I am exposing so much operation stuff for a massage shop.

Again Just a though.

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I wont attack you I will advice you that your original post seem fair from your side but if you keep carrying on and your just making yourself looks a bit silly as others have put forward what they think and it is fair as well, about pricing its time to move on and dont get carried away. Like I said it is a free country who ever wanted to pay what ever is up to them. You made your point in your first post and best not to bring to much other information. Ofcourse every girl wanted to get better money we all wanted more money dont we :)

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Originally Posted by IExperiment

I wont attack you I will advice you that your original post seem fair from your side but if you keep carrying on and your just making yourself looks a bit silly as others have put forward what they think and it is fair as well, about pricing its time to move on and dont get carried away. Like I said it is a free country who ever wanted to pay what ever is up to them. You made your point in your first post and best not to bring to much other information. Ofcourse every girl wanted to get better money we all wanted more money dont we :)

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Don’t worry, I am all fine with people attacking, got use to that as a long time poster in OZbargain.

I totally agree it is a free country who ever wanted to pay whatever is up to them (I did say have fun for those who can afford it did I). You don't see me complaining in the Midas threads or 5 Star thread. It is unfortunate that I never stay silent to criticism just like AHLUNGOR. Bear in mind a lot of the discussion surface because others' criticism.

There was no secret that I am against city Chinese massage shop price, SL is not the first shop that I call rip off. There were 822, then Wishway and a few others. I never want this turn into a price argument thread if it was not so much suspicious protective reply for this shop.

Actually there is three types of replys, the for, against and neutral. It is the way that some against replies are writtten look suspicious to me.

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Originally Posted by lonely heart

You have no idea how tough is most chinese massage right now, and no this is not my opinion, its facts that told by owner of shops. Main reason:
1 Less supply of girls because of difficulty of getting a visa and the high aus dollar.
2 Very few girls like to learn massage these days, especially the young ones, they just want stand there and look pretty…..and milk $50 off you.
3 Many girls rather go to work in FS rather than massage cos it is less work more money.
4 What’s left who willing to work in massage shop asking higher price and drive customer away
5 FS shops dropping price like hell
Not every shop is SL or 501. In fact The most common format is owner + 1 to 2 girls And it will be lucky the shop has more than 10 jobs a day.

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Every business owner will tell you business is tough ! Lol. And competition is always there, just because the industry is booming, that's why more and more shops are opening, resulting in fewer jobs per workers, the number of workers might have doubled over the last 2 years ! Dropping prices is natural in a competition for business, doesn't reflect that the industry is dying. Let give it another year to see if the industry is destroyed, eh ?

Actually just saw AHLUNGOR mention there is a buy 10 get 1 free in SL which effectively work out to be $50 over 11 session. Not bad for city shop price. I prefer she just charge $50 an hour straight away. An thats why 501 don't have this scheme. May be AHLUNGOR can suggest Vicky to get a provider code from health fund so she can do rebate. I am more than happy for Vicky to do a normal massage for me, very good skills and will be a bargain if there is health fund rebate.

Lonelyheart, I feel for you.

Perhaps we should do a punt crawl one evening together? Get a group of guys together to discuss our experiences!?

I've been pretty silent of who is good or bad and my punting days have been long! I'm sure this way it would put your mind at ease to prove to you that a are not affiliated with any massage or fs shop!

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Originally Posted by lengjai

Lonelyheart, I feel for you.

Perhaps we should do a punt crawl one evening together? Get a group of guys together to discuss our experiences!?

I've been pretty silent of who is good or bad and my punting days have been long! I'm sure this way it would put your mind at ease to prove to you that a are not affiliated with any massage or fs shop!

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Nah Ahlungor will be waiting for me outside with his Camry to run me down. No one has to proof to each other anything. It is a forum. Some people think i am good some people think I am bad. That is the nature of forum I will hold same judgement against other poster too.

SL with health Fund rebate ?
Not a good idea, bro LH
Then bro ALG & Vicky can spot U & me instantly, BAD MOVE, bro
He He.

I think LH brother is correct that there is a (or a group) of SL contributor actively trying to shield the shop from negative comments and at the same time looking for every opportunity in any thread to promote the shop. Very dirty tactics. At lease you are keeping your comments to your own thread. Some people simply don't have forum manor. Good job mate.

Brother noeyedeer,

Have you try Taffiny or any girl in this shop, what is your take on their quality and servise

Any new review on Tiffany

After so many recent reviews of tiffany im sure we all know what her services and charges are like.... I dont think any new reviews will be much different unless she offering other extras such as anal for example..

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Originally Posted by boner

General question.. most extras you get do you ask/pay before the deed or after?

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Please check your PM shortly.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by boner

General question.. most extras you get do you ask/pay before the deed or after?

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Based on my experience from all shops not just SL, you usually talk to the girl about the price of extras at the 'please turn over' part of the massage. Extras are usually paid for at the end of the session.

Of course some punters like to negotiate extras and pay up front.

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Originally Posted by slarty

Based on my experience from all shops not just SL, you usually talk to the girl about the price of extras at the 'please turn over' part of the massage. Extras are usually paid for at the end of the session.

Of course some punters like to negotiate extras and pay up front.

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This is really turn off, listening and nego to pricelist