Lonely Heart's take on Tiffany at Snow Lotus, third time lucky?? Well Yes and No....

Just some house keeping

I started this as a review of Tiffany at 741. It seems to me apparently some people are object to negative comments. So they will go out and attack whatever negative was written. In my case price (as I have not right any other negative comment about the girl). Someone say “DO NOT use your own standard to appraise the others”. And this is exactly what some people is doing here. It was my test drive of the girl, it was my $155 and it is my after report so I can say whatever the hell I want (by the way I was being very nice, except the pricing comment).

Just another though, many critiser of my opinion has mainly contribute to the SL thread, and reaction seem over reacted coming from a punter. I suspect some members are related to the shop and not happy that I am exposing so much operation stuff for a massage shop.

Again Just a though.

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Originally Posted by lonely heart

Just some house keeping

I started this as a review of Tiffany at 741. It seems to me apparently some people are object to negative comments. So they will go out and attack whatever negative was written. In my case price (as I have not right any other negative comment about the girl). Someone say “DO NOT use your own standard to appraise the others”. And this is exactly what some people is doing here. It was my test drive of the girl, it was my $155 and it is my after report so I can say whatever the hell I want (by the way I was being very nice, except the pricing comment).

Just another though, many critiser of my opinion has mainly contribute to the SL thread, and reaction seem over reacted coming from a punter. I suspect some members are related to the shop and not happy that I am exposing so much operation stuff for a massage shop.

Again Just a though.

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I wont attack you I will advice you that your original post seem fair from your side but if you keep carrying on and your just making yourself looks a bit silly as others have put forward what they think and it is fair as well, about pricing its time to move on and dont get carried away. Like I said it is a free country who ever wanted to pay what ever is up to them. You made your point in your first post and best not to bring to much other information. Ofcourse every girl wanted to get better money we all wanted more money dont we :)

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Originally Posted by IExperiment

I wont attack you I will advice you that your original post seem fair from your side but if you keep carrying on and your just making yourself looks a bit silly as others have put forward what they think and it is fair as well, about pricing its time to move on and dont get carried away. Like I said it is a free country who ever wanted to pay what ever is up to them. You made your point in your first post and best not to bring to much other information. Ofcourse every girl wanted to get better money we all wanted more money dont we :)

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Don’t worry, I am all fine with people attacking, got use to that as a long time poster in OZbargain.

I totally agree it is a free country who ever wanted to pay whatever is up to them (I did say have fun for those who can afford it did I). You don't see me complaining in the Midas threads or 5 Star thread. It is unfortunate that I never stay silent to criticism just like AHLUNGOR. Bear in mind a lot of the discussion surface because others' criticism.

There was no secret that I am against city Chinese massage shop price, SL is not the first shop that I call rip off. There were 822, then Wishway and a few others. I never want this turn into a price argument thread if it was not so much suspicious protective reply for this shop.

Actually there is three types of replys, the for, against and neutral. It is the way that some against replies are writtten look suspicious to me.

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Originally Posted by lonely heart

You have no idea how tough is most chinese massage right now, and no this is not my opinion, its facts that told by owner of shops. Main reason:
1 Less supply of girls because of difficulty of getting a visa and the high aus dollar.
2 Very few girls like to learn massage these days, especially the young ones, they just want stand there and look pretty…..and milk $50 off you.
3 Many girls rather go to work in FS rather than massage cos it is less work more money.
4 What’s left who willing to work in massage shop asking higher price and drive customer away
5 FS shops dropping price like hell
Not every shop is SL or 501. In fact The most common format is owner + 1 to 2 girls And it will be lucky the shop has more than 10 jobs a day.

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Every business owner will tell you business is tough ! Lol. And competition is always there, just because the industry is booming, that's why more and more shops are opening, resulting in fewer jobs per workers, the number of workers might have doubled over the last 2 years ! Dropping prices is natural in a competition for business, doesn't reflect that the industry is dying. Let give it another year to see if the industry is destroyed, eh ?

Actually just saw AHLUNGOR mention there is a buy 10 get 1 free in SL which effectively work out to be $50 over 11 session. Not bad for city shop price. I prefer she just charge $50 an hour straight away. An thats why 501 don't have this scheme. May be AHLUNGOR can suggest Vicky to get a provider code from health fund so she can do rebate. I am more than happy for Vicky to do a normal massage for me, very good skills and will be a bargain if there is health fund rebate.

Lonelyheart, I feel for you.

Perhaps we should do a punt crawl one evening together? Get a group of guys together to discuss our experiences!?

I've been pretty silent of who is good or bad and my punting days have been long! I'm sure this way it would put your mind at ease to prove to you that a are not affiliated with any massage or fs shop!

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Originally Posted by lengjai

Lonelyheart, I feel for you.

Perhaps we should do a punt crawl one evening together? Get a group of guys together to discuss our experiences!?

I've been pretty silent of who is good or bad and my punting days have been long! I'm sure this way it would put your mind at ease to prove to you that a are not affiliated with any massage or fs shop!

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Nah Ahlungor will be waiting for me outside with his Camry to run me down. No one has to proof to each other anything. It is a forum. Some people think i am good some people think I am bad. That is the nature of forum I will hold same judgement against other poster too.

SL with health Fund rebate ?
Not a good idea, bro LH
Then bro ALG & Vicky can spot U & me instantly, BAD MOVE, bro
He He.

I think LH brother is correct that there is a (or a group) of SL contributor actively trying to shield the shop from negative comments and at the same time looking for every opportunity in any thread to promote the shop. Very dirty tactics. At lease you are keeping your comments to your own thread. Some people simply don't have forum manor. Good job mate.

Brother noeyedeer,

Have you try Taffiny or any girl in this shop, what is your take on their quality and servise

Any new review on Tiffany

After so many recent reviews of tiffany im sure we all know what her services and charges are like.... I dont think any new reviews will be much different unless she offering other extras such as anal for example..

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Originally Posted by boner

General question.. most extras you get do you ask/pay before the deed or after?

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Please check your PM shortly.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by boner

General question.. most extras you get do you ask/pay before the deed or after?

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Based on my experience from all shops not just SL, you usually talk to the girl about the price of extras at the 'please turn over' part of the massage. Extras are usually paid for at the end of the session.

Of course some punters like to negotiate extras and pay up front.

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Originally Posted by slarty

Based on my experience from all shops not just SL, you usually talk to the girl about the price of extras at the 'please turn over' part of the massage. Extras are usually paid for at the end of the session.

Of course some punters like to negotiate extras and pay up front.

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This is really turn off, listening and nego to pricelist

That's bad enough. On occasion the girl will ask for the payment up front as well. So you have to get up from the massage table go over and get your wallet and pay her while still undressed. Cringe city.

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Originally Posted by slarty

Based on my experience from all shops not just SL, you usually talk to the girl about the price of extras at the 'please turn over' part of the massage. Extras are usually paid for at the end of the session.

Of course some punters like to negotiate extras and pay up front.

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Well, most of the time I am just a cheap skate punter and my weekly massage budget is $100.00 so last year when I was seeing Yuki at 288 almost every week, I built up a bit of savings as she only costed me $80.00 a shot, (even when I offered her $100 more for nude, she turned me down.........lol) - and if my football team won then I have more money to spend, if not, have to wait for another week (and my two punting budget is totally separated!!).

While I am cheap, I don't like to bargain with ML's at all, if I can't afford it, I won't go or just DIY, what's the point of getting a $10, $20 cheaper price from the poor girl. Don't get me wrong, I know full well a lot of these MLs probably take home more money than I every week, so most of them are not "poor" at all. But negotiating the prices for extras with ML is just not my thing.

Sure, I don't mind going to 501/532 where HJ is included, so for a nude HJ over there, I shall pay $80/hr vs. $105 at Snow Lotus. But it is always the girls whom I am meeting with rather than the $25 savings that will affect my decision of where to go. However, during the week, I can just walk to SL, so it is a no brainer. To go to Newtown during the week, I have to take a taxi (which I had done so many times before when I so wanted to meet Sasa there on Wednesdays only......and I felt so guilty for the services she gave me vs. the money I paid her - when I have to pay another $40 for taxi, I would rather give her more!!) or take the company car which is always inconvenient. But then on the other hand, on the Saturdays, when I drive to the city, it is so much easier to find parking at Newtown and 288 vs in the city, so the tide swing the other way.

It's so funny that our heart and our head sometimes can not even make the decision on which massage lady to see, the decision is made by the convenience of transportation...........WTF!!!

So for me, I am more concern about how to get to the massage shop and who is working on which day rather than can I negotiate a $10 off from the ML, honestly, if I like her, I'll just pay whatever she wants to charge. BTW, to make things simple, I pay everything upfront for my regular girls so they know what I want. if occasionally I am in the right mood for more, they'll know straight away too...........haha

Again, there is no right or wrong way, just be gentle and nice to the girls and whatever you feel right and comfortable.

Just my 2 cents.

Cheers

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I never nego ...

More interesting point is ,most of the ML not give me any price list. (Sometimes I read this thread, so many brothers said they have a chance to nego and asking the girl, how much for BJ, how much for FS .. when and how to ask ...etc). I an lacking of opportunity to experience these questions...

I have tried few times, they all say, pay whatever amount you want.
My normal experience is things just float as itself ... I think this is the real definition of 'punting'....

This is just me!

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Originally Posted by slarty

That's bad enough. On occasion the girl will ask for the payment up front as well. So you have to get up from the massage table go over and get your wallet and pay her while still undressed. Cringe city.

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I have heard so many stories from different MLs about some bastards after getting the extras, ran off without paying the tips or said he didn't have enough money for the tips end up either getting the extras for free or only paying part of what was agreed. Put yourself in the girls shoes, if your got burnt a few times, would you not be on high alert when seeing a new client - regulars or repeat customers of course will always be trusted.

Blame it on those scrums!!

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Hmmm. I never said anything about haggling in my post. To clarify, I was merely saying at what point in time the price is usually agreed- this was in response to Bro Boner's general question. What I had in mind is that there are different kinds of extras and these attract different prices.

Not sure why in response there is such a long diatribe about paying what the girl asks.