I think Al is referring to a different Lisa. This Lisa gives a very diligent and very hard massage and you will scream. But seriously she will fix your aches and pain. I see her all the time when I am really sore and no pain no gain. I have tried coco many times. She can make you feel good but doesn't fix my sore body. Lisa does it every time. She massages the back of your head real hard but afterwards ds you feel really good