My Seeking.com (sugarbaby) experience

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Originally Posted by Abracadabra

They open the door not knowing what they will confront on the other side

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That moment before opening the door must be incredibly anxiety inducing.

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Originally Posted by grant

Firstly can we please not acknowledge the bait posts by rooter? All due respect for his tenure and regular reports on Aus99 but in every sugar thread, he will inevitably make a post (multiple sometimes) about how he doesn't understand why we all don't just head to a shop for a punt. We all know why we're looking for a sugar arrangement and anyone who is curious about it can use the search function or google. Let's not clog up the thread.

Further general obs:

• A 27yo asian SB mentioned that she was having a rough time finding decent men. Apparently 90% of profiles don't have photos and are super vague about what they want, preferring to hide their cards and suss out what the SB wants. So the way to stand out is clear: upload some decent photos (blur or crop your face if needed) and be forward about what you're looking for. Regardless of what you want to call them - sugarbabies, escorts, normal girls looking to be paid for dates and sex, whatever - these women are selective about the men they fuck so you need to be convincing by being good looking, charming and/or generous.
• Vast majority of these girls are not very responsive. They will take half a day to a day to respond to messages so progress is slow.
• More a personal observation: I seem to tend to reach out to asian SB's (in the minority) than cauc or latina SB's. Partially a preference in sexual partner, but I suspect also a bias developed from punting that caucs and latinas would ask for more so I don't bother engaging. I should make a more concerted effort to properly engage caucs and latinas to see how it develops.

Potentials:

• 21yo Jap girl from Tokyo (continued) - she cancelled our initial meet 1hr beforehand as her family apparently arranged a surprise bday party. Supposedly available all of next week but we'll see.
• 27yo asian local (referred to above) - comes across cultured and intelligent, but very plain in the face department: narrow eyes, no double eyelids, freckles (I suspect ABK). Was looking for a voyeur to pay to watch her fuck another guy (no thank you)
• 24yo petite asian, I suspect local 9-5'er. Lives with her family so unable to host but down for $500ppm. Have arranged a drink to check the vibe and see how we go.
• 19yo tall alt-looking pinay. Despite 'doing 600 in the past... 500 seems reasonable' (definitely following a SB script she found online). Currently trying to arrange a drink with her but slow to respond.
• 27yo westie asian who hits all the physical notes for me: slim, A-B cups and an ass with some meat! Profile suggests she's mainly looking for interesting conversations but when I mentioned I was looking for intimacy she responded with "the way to the heart is always food". Still only looking for a coffee to check the vibe first, then possibility of dinner and maybe more.

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This one turned out to be mixed Korean/Jap with pale skin and a slim/petite - though not toned - body. Did my best to put on the charms for this one and it paid off as I came off very sweet and caring. I may have done more than was needed but this one turned out to be driven by impulse and had very basic wants: bagged popcorn and sugar (lmao). Got to the hotel early and brought along a bottle of moscato and popcorn from Woolies.

The girl couldn't stop herself throwing the moscato back despite not having lunch and despite being allergic to alcohol. She soon got tipsy and flushed super red as we were chatting and decided to go for a shower 1.5hours into our 3.5hr booking. I probably let the conversation run too long and should steer toward sex earlier. It was a judgement call though, as this was her first sugar meet and didn't want to seem pushy. In saying that we WERE there to fuck, I just need to keep this front of mind.

As for the sex, we warmed up with a lot of passionate kissing (which she's great at). Seduced her with kisses down her neck and onto her B cup tits were met with very positive vocal affirmation. Went down on her absolutely TINY shaved pussy which she was very into. She was concerned about my size when we met for dinner as I'm a tall guy and she was apparently 'small' (Confirmed!). She was very tight, as getting two fingers in was a struggle. As she was about to climax she pushed me off as she was getting 'sensitive'. Unsure if this girl knows what an orgasm is and I was pretty disappointed she wanted me to stop early.

I put the dom on and lubed her up and struggled to get in in missionary. She really struggled initially with my size but did get kind of used to it eventually, as she started thrusting to match my shallow strokes. As she was so keen on thrusting I got her to into CG where I finished in the dom soon after (she is so tight).

Unfortunately that was the end of it, as she had some abdominal pain (I may have bruised her cervix). I asked her about a second round and she wasn't into it so we left it at that. I did notice some blood on the dom but unsure if she was on her period or if I may have hurt her with my size. A little frustrated she didn't let me warm her up properly to give penetrative sex a better chance.

Overall could have gone better if we both weren't so green (me to sugaring and her to sex apparently). I plan to check in on her to see if she is feeling ok but what do the more experienced SD's reckon? Should I tell this one clearly what I expect in a meeting and give her another chance if she's open to it? Leaning towards it not being worth the chase, as it might take quite a few sessions for her to get used to my girth, but I think I'll always be hitting her cervix with my length. She's also a bit of a germaphobe and wouldn't even let me kiss her without her showering first so that was annoying.

Also tips for convincing SB's to meet at lower PPM rates appreciated.

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Thanks for sharing your experiences OP, it sounds like you've been pretty active and enjoying some success.

I have a regular SB who i've seen for a couple of years - we only meet sparodically because i'm time poor (~monthly/6 weekly). I arrange a hotel and we do $450ppm. Outside of our messages to arrange our next meet, we have no interaction. We both value discretion and NSA.

When I decide to have a look around - In terms of PPM rates, my arrangements have typically fallen in the $400-$550 range. I usually don't go above that as other options become better at that price point (that's how i see it...each to their own). I normally start with $500 if they can host, $400 if i have to arrange a place. The rationale being that if I don't have to fork out $ for a place, then that $$ goes to them.

But then most will respond "oh i can't host". "OK then i'll arrange a place" "oh, i'm looking for <some rate between $600-800>"

So then I ask if they're open to meeting in the middle, i.e. i arrange a place + $500. If they agree, then i thank them for being flexible, and we're off to a good start. If they don't budge, then "thank you, good luck with your search, hope you find what you're looking for". I had a recent meet when i was travelling interstate for work where the SB was looking for $650. We agreed on $550 as she could host, and she was fun to hang out with. Amazing tits, feels amazing when she rides me and I came like a freight train

At the end of the day, it's my money - and my decision as to who i choose to spend it on. I don't need pussy, but if i can find something at a price point that both parties are comfortable with, then winning. It always helps when you are polite and respectful - don't treat me like an ATM, and i won't treat you like a hole (or at least let's be subtle about it LOL), as these girls are human at the end of the day, WL or otherwise. It also helps you stand out more as these girls put up with a lot of silly antics in their inbox. At the end of the day, i've got my regular SB that i can arrange to meet for a guaranteed fun time, or I can hit up a shop if my favourite(s) are working

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Originally Posted by kaos

At the end of the day, it's my money - and my decision as to who i choose to spend it on. I don't need pussy, but if i can find something at a price point that both parties are comfortable with, then winning. It always helps when you are polite and respectful - don't treat me like an ATM, and i won't treat you like a hole (or at least let's be subtle about it LOL), as these girls are human at the end of the day, WL or otherwise. It also helps you stand out more as these girls put up with a lot of silly antics in their inbox. At the end of the day, i've got my regular SB that i can arrange to meet for a guaranteed fun time, or I can hit up a shop if my favourite(s) are working

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Good response and you just can't beat having a regular SB you can arrange PPM with any time you want. I'm so pleased with mine I hook up every week with her.

Why is every reply you give jsteel about your sb. Are you after a medal?

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Originally Posted by grant

This one turned out to be mixed Korean/Jap with pale skin and a slim/petite - though not toned - body. Did my best to put on the charms for this one and it paid off as I came off very sweet and caring. I may have done more than was needed but this one turned out to be driven by impulse and had very basic wants: bagged popcorn and sugar (lmao). Got to the hotel early and brought along a bottle of moscato and popcorn from Woolies.

The girl couldn't stop herself throwing the moscato back despite not having lunch and despite being allergic to alcohol. She soon got tipsy and flushed super red as we were chatting and decided to go for a shower 1.5hours into our 3.5hr booking. I probably let the conversation run too long and should steer toward sex earlier. It was a judgement call though, as this was her first sugar meet and didn't want to seem pushy. In saying that we WERE there to fuck, I just need to keep this front of mind.

Also tips for convincing SB's to meet at lower PPM rates appreciated.

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My thoughts on her and in no particular order:

Any talk about "booking" time limit implies the girl knows what she is doing. For me, any relationship between sugar dating and a time limit implies that the girl is more professional than we know.

As a SD we should limit any asian girls alcohol intake, especially as you indicated she already knows she can't handle it.

The shower ploy is a time wasting exercise. see my first point.

We don't have to pander. remember she is wanting to be a SB, she should be motivated to be performing also.

so, when I invariably end up in my hotel room with a sweet new SB, it's max 1 glass of wine, seating next to each other watching movie or talking, holding hands. Some small talk About her lips looks great for a small kiss and just start with a light kiss. Expect things to happen from here. Remember she has voluntarily come to your room/apartment so she is expecting also.

Now down to your methodology of working into a small girl. you are just going to have to improve your techniques and range of ideas. Consider that a vagina can give expand to deliver a baby's head so hopefully your dick is nowhere near that. It's just going to come from practice. Switching to cow girl was good and allowed her to control.

That she wanted to make a fast escape also brings me back to more pro than SB, inspite of her 'innocence'

this is a good thread. I'm in Sydney this week and it seems I'm also working through the same limited pool of asian SBs. I am looking for girls that will meet about 6pm and stay over, then leaving when I go to work.

I'm contrasting this with a few Date In Asia type girls that have some inherent unreliability built into the mix.

I know that shops and brothels are more reliable, I just like the feel of a sweet body staying overnight and being around for morning sex.

honesty seems like quite a bit of work tbh and also hit and miss plus expensive outlay, but i guess it works for some.
you can find amazing girls in parlours charging just $90 a hour, and if you put in a bit of graft and see them a few times you can get their details and get them to your place no worries and get some bbfs and cip, the only difference is the difference avenue an vector to the women, i need it cheap coz i like to do it 2-3 times a week so $500-600 aint gona work but each to their owns.

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Originally Posted by grant

Firstly can we please not acknowledge the bait posts by rooter? All due respect for his tenure and regular reports on Aus99 but in every sugar thread, he will inevitably make a post (multiple sometimes) about how he doesn't understand why we all don't just head to a shop for a punt. We all know why we're looking for a sugar arrangement and anyone who is curious about it can use the search function or google. Let's not clog up the thread.

Further general obs:

• A 27yo asian SB mentioned that she was having a rough time finding decent men. Apparently 90% of profiles don't have photos and are super vague about what they want, preferring to hide their cards and suss out what the SB wants. So the way to stand out is clear: upload some decent photos (blur or crop your face if needed) and be forward about what you're looking for. Regardless of what you want to call them - sugarbabies, escorts, normal girls looking to be paid for dates and sex, whatever - these women are selective about the men they fuck so you need to be convincing by being good looking, charming and/or generous.
• Vast majority of these girls are not very responsive. They will take half a day to a day to respond to messages so progress is slow.
• More a personal observation: I seem to tend to reach out to asian SB's (in the minority) than cauc or latina SB's. Partially a preference in sexual partner, but I suspect also a bias developed from punting that caucs and latinas would ask for more so I don't bother engaging. I should make a more concerted effort to properly engage caucs and latinas to see how it develops.

Potentials:

• 21yo Jap girl from Tokyo (continued) - she cancelled our initial meet 1hr beforehand as her family apparently arranged a surprise bday party. Supposedly available all of next week but we'll see.
• 27yo asian local (referred to above) - comes across cultured and intelligent, but very plain in the face department: narrow eyes, no double eyelids, freckles (I suspect ABK). Was looking for a voyeur to pay to watch her fuck another guy (no thank you)
• 24yo petite asian, I suspect local 9-5'er. Lives with her family so unable to host but down for $500ppm. Have arranged a drink to check the vibe and see how we go.
• 19yo tall alt-looking pinay. Despite 'doing 600 in the past... 500 seems reasonable' (definitely following a SB script she found online). Currently trying to arrange a drink with her but slow to respond.
• 27yo westie asian who hits all the physical notes for me: slim, A-B cups and an ass with some meat! Profile suggests she's mainly looking for interesting conversations but when I mentioned I was looking for intimacy she responded with "the way to the heart is always food". Still only looking for a coffee to check the vibe first, then possibility of dinner and maybe more.

Meet:


This one turned out to be mixed Korean/Jap with pale skin and a slim/petite - though not toned - body. Did my best to put on the charms for this one and it paid off as I came off very sweet and caring. I may have done more than was needed but this one turned out to be driven by impulse and had very basic wants: bagged popcorn and sugar (lmao). Got to the hotel early and brought along a bottle of moscato and popcorn from Woolies.

The girl couldn't stop herself throwing the moscato back despite not having lunch and despite being allergic to alcohol. She soon got tipsy and flushed super red as we were chatting and decided to go for a shower 1.5hours into our 3.5hr booking. I probably let the conversation run too long and should steer toward sex earlier. It was a judgement call though, as this was her first sugar meet and didn't want to seem pushy. In saying that we WERE there to fuck, I just need to keep this front of mind.

As for the sex, we warmed up with a lot of passionate kissing (which she's great at). Seduced her with kisses down her neck and onto her B cup tits were met with very positive vocal affirmation. Went down on her absolutely TINY shaved pussy which she was very into. She was concerned about my size when we met for dinner as I'm a tall guy and she was apparently 'small' (Confirmed!). She was very tight, as getting two fingers in was a struggle. As she was about to climax she pushed me off as she was getting 'sensitive'. Unsure if this girl knows what an orgasm is and I was pretty disappointed she wanted me to stop early.

I put the dom on and lubed her up and struggled to get in in missionary. She really struggled initially with my size but did get kind of used to it eventually, as she started thrusting to match my shallow strokes. As she was so keen on thrusting I got her to into CG where I finished in the dom soon after (she is so tight).

Unfortunately that was the end of it, as she had some abdominal pain (I may have bruised her cervix). I asked her about a second round and she wasn't into it so we left it at that. I did notice some blood on the dom but unsure if she was on her period or if I may have hurt her with my size. A little frustrated she didn't let me warm her up properly to give penetrative sex a better chance.

Overall could have gone better if we both weren't so green (me to sugaring and her to sex apparently). I plan to check in on her to see if she is feeling ok but what do the more experienced SD's reckon? Should I tell this one clearly what I expect in a meeting and give her another chance if she's open to it? Leaning towards it not being worth the chase, as it might take quite a few sessions for her to get used to my girth, but I think I'll always be hitting her cervix with my length. She's also a bit of a germaphobe and wouldn't even let me kiss her without her showering first so that was annoying.

Also tips for convincing SB's to meet at lower PPM rates appreciated.

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Motels and Woolies popcorn. Didn't realise SBs are that cheap. I always assumed they're looking for rich daddy's but I guess you can also get away with motels.

Changes my reevaluation of how much money you need to spend on SB

Don't single out rooter.
I'm another voice against the practice.
This sugar baby scene is not value for money or time

Lots and lots of red flags with these sugarbaby stories

To those who haven't tried, I suggest you don't

Easily can meet the wrong women who wants to ruin your life
Also don't waste time spending ridiculous amounts of money on sex and at the same time she is also weighing up her options with other men and f_cking them without a condom for the right price

I'm just getting started. Waste of your time

Go to a brothel, have great sex, then get on with your life

Don't be a white knight saving women from the rent hell that is Sydney

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Originally Posted by JSteel96

Good response and you just can't beat having a regular SB you can arrange PPM with any time you want. I'm so pleased with mine I hook up every week with her.

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Do you do unprotected sex? She is definitely doing that with her other clients as well

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Originally Posted by CumShot

this is a good thread. I'm in Sydney this week and it seems I'm also working through the same limited pool of asian SBs. I am looking for girls that will meet about 6pm and stay over, then leaving when I go to work.

I'm contrasting this with a few Date In Asia type girls that have some inherent unreliability built into the mix.

I know that shops and brothels are more reliable, I just like the feel of a sweet body staying overnight and being around for morning sex.

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Yes but what is the charge for a stranger in your room. See how much she likes you without the money you pay her

What is the overnight cost?

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Originally Posted by rooter

I am really struggling to understand why you guys go through all this stress and research and disappointment and scams just to get a fuck.
I thought the whole point of paying for sex was to not have all these complications and stress.
Just maybe take time out to think about what you are doing.

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Agree bro 1000%
Wise words for those who care to listen

If I was 25 again, I would definitely focus on my career, go to brothel to let off steam, and if available look for an actual decent gf but not date unless she was a good catch

Better to be free and single when young, don't waste time in dud relationships or waste time with money hungry people

It must damage your soul being with people who charge you to be in their company for dates, and you paying for their wasteful designer goods just so you can get in a woman's pussy

Sugarbaby sounds like a bad option and bad karma.
I have written about all the downsides many times and noone can deny the points made

Sounds like some men like women's company so much they are happy to overpay to get that interaction. If that's your life, best have have a reset

Just as in relationships, you better learn fast when a woman is just seeing you as a blank cheque, and get out as soon as you can, as she is using you

The most important question of all. Just how valuable is your time?

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Originally Posted by frisson

Sugarbaby sounds like a bad option and bad karma.
I have written about all the downsides many times and noone can deny the points made

Sounds like some men like women's company so much they are happy to overpay to get that interaction. If that's your life, best have have a reset

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If it comes, it comes like a storm. If it doesn't you'll be like a hopeful farmer hoping for the drought to end.

Bad karma can also manifest in a "positive" form like winning the lotto. As many people know, the more money you have and you announce it to the world, the more bad people you attract into your life.

If you're paying a lot just for a single ejaculation then you're basically attracting bad news into your life. An untrained mind has no gratitude, and a sugar baby is thinking of you as easy income while wanting more in the future.

I don't see the point of being biased toward any "side", whether to see WL/MLs or SBs. They're both ways for you to get your rocks off by flexing your financial muscles, just that 1 way is newer than the other and the experiences differ between the 2.

What's even the point of being biased? Surely you aren't profiting from making the masses go one way or the other. It's silly, really.

It would be like you've never tasted oysters in your life yet you vehemently say that oysters taste like shit. You're fanatically telling everyone not to eat it. Then one day you do try it and you realise that you love the taste. Then what are you gonna do?

Why the fuck do people get so evangelical about this shit. Karma? Really?

You don't see me going into the AR section ripping into punters for going to a brothel and suggesting they try sugaring instead.

If you don't like it feel free to make another thread. Kindly stay on topic or fuck off.

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Originally Posted by grant

Why the fuck do people get so evangelical about this shit. Karma? Really?

You don't see me going into the AR section ripping into punters for going to a brothel and suggesting they try sugaring instead.

If you don't like it feel free to make another thread. Kindly stay on topic or fuck off.

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Sorry mate we tend to digress but telling people to be kind while you're on the F word rampage isn't going to make anyone show you the respect you're demanding.

Karma isn't an evangelical thing, in fact Christians in general don't believe in karma. In recent times the word karma has been used outside religious context because more and more people are seeing karma as if it was the sun and moon in the sky - you can't touch it but you know it's real.

People are expressing an opinion, they're sticking to the topic by saying what they think about SBs just that not all would be validating the experience. Some users also rip into the massage scene saying that brothels are better than massage shops but you don't see the massage lovers protesting in front of a brothel. Everyone to their own cup of tea.

You need to learn how to accept other people's opinions and ignore them if it doesn't align with yours. This is how you garner respect as a real man.

Guys with SBs and guys without SBs both don’t understand each other.

I’ve been sugardating for a while. Myregulars come in around $400 PPM. One of them is a tall euro blonde state level swimmer and medical student. Fucking hot. I pay her $1.2k a month and tell her she can see me as often as she likes. Usually works out at 5-6 meets a month. Sex usually at her place.

Inbetween the gems there is a lot of time wasting. But hey, I’ll kiss a few frogs in order to find a spanking hot princess .

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Originally Posted by peripel

Sorry mate we tend to digress but telling people to be kind while you're on the F word rampage isn't going to make anyone show you the respect you're demanding.

Karma isn't an evangelical thing, in fact Christians in general don't believe in karma. In recent times the word karma has been used outside religious context because more and more people are seeing karma as if it was the sun and moon in the sky - you can't touch it but you know it's real.

People are expressing an opinion, they're sticking to the topic by saying what they think about SBs just that not all would be validating the experience. Some users also rip into the massage scene saying that brothels are better than massage shops but you don't see the massage lovers protesting in front of a brothel. Everyone to their own cup of tea.

You need to learn how to accept other people's opinions and ignore them if it doesn't align with yours. This is how you garner respect as a real man.

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You are fucking hilarious

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Originally Posted by ReginaldBubbles

You are fucking hilarious

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I can see why you're obsessed with Vincent now. Working 17-18 hours daily and being able to fund his daily fantasy punts is insane, although I'd rather be doing only 1/3 of his work beside my day job and put the money towards better things in life. And it's fun being able to vacuum and tidy the house while you're working. The biggest perks for me would be the ability to practice mantra recitations while handling work.

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Originally Posted by peripel

I can see why you're obsessed with Vincent now. Working 17-18 hours daily and being able to fund his daily fantasy punts is insane, although I'd rather be doing only 1/3 of his work beside my day job and put the money towards better things in life. And it's fun being able to vacuum and tidy the house while you're working. The biggest perks for me would be the ability to practice mantra recitations while handling work.

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You're mistaking ridicule for obsession. Instead, what really is an obsession is yourself with this forum. That's plain for everyone to see but yourself. Think hard on that, my fellow.