suggestion for Ginza regarding Indians.

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Originally Posted by Sendmetheacti

Statistically valid criticism.

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Hahahahahaha most racist against Indian is also Indian... Fmd

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Originally Posted by Sendmetheacti

Statistically valid criticism.

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So I guess it's fair to call this a racist forum then?

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Originally Posted by PussyBonpensiero

So what is it called when you tar an entire race or an individual with the same brush?

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Note, I said disproportionately and not an entirety.

When a particular group exhibits behaviours that others find unpleasant and at times socially acceptable, is it wrong to call it out and say no, I won't accept that?

Or do we bury such behaviours and accept under pressure of the all encompassing racism tag?

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Originally Posted by PussyBonpensiero

So I guess it's fair to call this a racist forum then?

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Enjoy your fishing mate ....

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Originally Posted by Abracadabra

Note, I said disproportionately and not an entirety.

When a particular group exhibits behaviours that others find unpleasant and at times socially acceptable, is it wrong to call it out and say no, I won't accept that?

Or do we bury such behaviours and accept under pressure of the all encompassing racism tag?

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Fair point, totally agree.

Bottom line: whoever told you that life is fair............they lied. Get over it.

I used to go to Ginza quite often, almost 1-2 a week and I'd usually even see girls who said no indian (Im half Fijian / Indian but mostly look indian I guess). It doesn't bother me too much as I understand from the girls perspective why they wouldn't want to see an Indian person. I have stopped going there now as it's just difficult to see how 85% of the roster is no Indian and I dont have a 100% chance of booking them even if i show up with my good reputation. I think to all the indian gentlemen out there, just dont take it personally, find another shop or try and build up a good reputation. Change the stigma but don't keep feeding into it.

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Originally Posted by PussyBonpensiero

So I guess it's fair to call this a racist forum then?

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No,

When one forum constantly shits on a race. Maybe it's racist.

If half the world and hookers from countries that literally don't have Indians post "no Indians"

Perhaps it's the Indians that are the problem.

At that point calling racism is a fatal mistake. The one way to fix this is to address the concerns people bring.

The moment you start yelling racism, you also say 'i will NOT change my behaviour'.

It's the same vein as "its the girls problem she doesn't want to fuck me". It's a disastrous attitude that locks in discrimination forever.

I don't want that. You don't want that either. So stop yelling racism and listen to what these people are saying and ask if it's actually valid.

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Originally Posted by HamishAM

I used to go to Ginza quite often, almost 1-2 a week and I'd usually even see girls who said no indian (Im half Fijian / Indian but mostly look indian I guess). It doesn't bother me too much as I understand from the girls perspective why they wouldn't want to see an Indian person. I have stopped going there now as it's just difficult to see how 85% of the roster is no Indian and I dont have a 100% chance of booking them even if i show up with my good reputation. I think to all the indian gentlemen out there, just dont take it personally, find another shop or try and build up a good reputation. Change the stigma but don't keep feeding into it.

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It sucks that the bad Indian men ruined it for the good ones.

But like I said before, you have to tell your people to stop acting like fools here and in other countries.

I seen how they are even overseas. They are also very disrespectful towards Thai girls when they go to Thailand. They have to start respecting women.

Then maybe your entire race wouldn't get blacklisted by women who place themselves in a vulnerable position when providing these intimate services.

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Originally Posted by Sendmetheacti

No,

When one forum constantly shits on a race. Maybe it's racist.

If half the world and hookers from countries that literally don't have Indians post "no Indians"

Perhaps it's the Indians that are the problem.

At that point calling racism is a fatal mistake. The one way to fix this is to address the concerns people bring.

The moment you start yelling racism, you also say 'i will NOT change my behaviour'.

It's the same vein as "its the girls problem she doesn't want to fuck me". It's a disastrous attitude that locks in discrimination forever.

I don't want that. You don't want that either. So stop yelling racism and listen to what these people are saying and ask if it's actually valid.

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I am not saying it's racist for girls to say no Indians. They should be free to choose who they see.

I am talking about all the posters who leap at the opportunity to say that all Indians are are cunts who stink and abuse women. It's weird that people get more upset about calling out racism than they do at actual racist comments.

"When one forum constantly shits on a race. Maybe it's racist." This is a fact and I'm just pointing it out. I'm not yelling.

And "fatal mistake"? Who's dying because of my comments? Hyperbole is counterproductive.

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Originally Posted by PussyBonpensiero

And "fatal mistake"? Who's dying because of my comments? Hyperbole is counterproductive.

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I used to react similarly when I saw someone misuse the phrase. The thing is though, it has become common for people to use "fatal mistake" in a figurative sense, meaning a serious or grave error, even when it doesn't involve actual death. This shift reflects how language evolves, with words or phrases taking on broader or less literal meanings in everyday speech. "fatal" now emphasises the gravity of the mistake, implying that it has severe or irreversible consequences, even if it's not literally life-threatening.

By the way, completely agree with the rest of your post!

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Originally Posted by DireStraits

I used to react similarly when I saw someone misuse the phrase. The thing is though, it has become common for people to use "fatal mistake" in a figurative sense, meaning a serious or grave error, even when it doesn't involve actual death. This shift reflects how language evolves, with words or phrases taking on broader or less literal meanings in everyday speech. "fatal" now emphasises the gravity of the mistake, implying that it has severe or irreversible consequences, even if it's not literally life-threatening.

By the way, completely agree with the rest of your post!

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Yeah I know, it's a losing battle to save the meaning of some words. "Literally" is gone now and there's no word to take it's place!

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Originally Posted by PussyBonpensiero

I am not saying it's racist for girls to say no Indians. They should be free to choose who they see.

I am talking about all the posters who leap at the opportunity to say that all Indians are are cunts who stink and abuse women. It's weird that people get more upset about calling out racism than they do at actual racist comments.

"When one forum constantly shits on a race. Maybe it's racist." This is a fact and I'm just pointing it out. I'm not yelling.

And "fatal mistake"? Who's dying because of my comments? Hyperbole is counterproductive.

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Fatal to the improvement of our race's image.

No one. Has EVER. improved their station in life by yelling racism..

Black people have been yelling racism for 300 years in the US and they are still mostly poor with low quality of life.

Meanwhile Asian like Koreans even including Indians arrived in the US with nothing, and ended up climbing to the top of the earning ladder with very good life quality within a single fucking generation.

That surely is a cautionary tale of the black hole of effort and progress that calling racism creates.

It is literally fatal to your hopes of social improvement. You can spend the next 500 years calling racism and your people will still be where they started. Or you can spend 50 years finding practical solutions and solving the problem.

Look at the Japanese. Basically little better than feudal tribes. The British arrive with guns and steam ships and started pressuring then with trade terms.

If they called racism at that point. They would still be calling racist today living in huts.

The first thing they fucking said was "we suck, they are far more advanced than us we must learn."

100 years later Japan literally fights a war against a quarter of the world and wipes the floor with them. Gets nuked. And builds one of the world's largest economies off the back of being nuked.

I strongly fucking believe the moment you call racism. It's over for you. It's will lock you into your current state and remove progress from the set of possible outcomes.

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Originally Posted by Sendmetheacti

No,

When one forum constantly shits on a race. Maybe it's racist.

If half the world and hookers from countries that literally don't have Indians post "no Indians"

Perhaps it's the Indians that are the problem.

At that point calling racism is a fatal mistake. The one way to fix this is to address the concerns people bring.

The moment you start yelling racism, you also say 'i will NOT change my behaviour'.

It's the same vein as "its the girls problem she doesn't want to fuck me". It's a disastrous attitude that locks in discrimination forever.

I don't want that. You don't want that either. So stop yelling racism and listen to what these people are saying and ask if it's actually valid.

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Very well said!

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Originally Posted by Sendmetheacti

Fatal to the improvement of our race's image.

No one. Has EVER. improved their station in life by yelling racism..

Black people have been yelling racism for 300 years in the US and they are still mostly poor with low quality of life.

Meanwhile Asian like Koreans even including Indians arrived in the US with nothing, and ended up climbing to the top of the earning ladder with very good life quality within a single fucking generation.

That surely is a cautionary tale of the black hole of effort and progress that calling racism creates.

It is literally fatal to your hopes of social improvement. You can spend the next 500 years calling racism and your people will still be where they started. Or you can spend 50 years finding practical solutions and solving the problem.

Look at the Japanese. Basically little better than feudal tribes. The British arrive with guns and steam ships and started pressuring then with trade terms.

If they called racism at that point. They would still be calling racist today living in huts.

The first thing they fucking said was "we suck, they are far more advanced than us we must learn."

100 years later Japan literally fights a war against a quarter of the world and wipes the floor with them. Gets nuked. And builds one of the world's largest economies off the back of being nuked.

I strongly fucking believe the moment you call racism. It's over for you. It's will lock you into your current state and remove progress from the set of possible outcomes.

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Interesting angle.....I heard or read somewhere that sexually open societies have contributed significantly to advancements in literature, science, technology, philosophy, and civilization, while sexually repressive societies (and there's a few of those around the world including religious ones) have often been linked to periods of regression, stagnation, oppression eg such as the dark ages and countries deemed third world.

The only country that bucks the trend seems to be Saudi Arabia. Perhaps they just buy all the above with their oil.

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Originally Posted by ryanpumper

Vinny the adults are talking.

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Is that why you have such well thought out and mature responses?

And I’m not Vincent so go pump yourself.

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Originally Posted by Sendmetheacti

Fatal to the improvement of our race's image.

No one. Has EVER. improved their station in life by yelling racism..

Black people have been yelling racism for 300 years in the US and they are still mostly poor with low quality of life.

Meanwhile Asian like Koreans even including Indians arrived in the US with nothing, and ended up climbing to the top of the earning ladder with very good life quality within a single fucking generation.

That surely is a cautionary tale of the black hole of effort and progress that calling racism creates.

It is literally fatal to your hopes of social improvement. You can spend the next 500 years calling racism and your people will still be where they started. Or you can spend 50 years finding practical solutions and solving the problem.

Look at the Japanese. Basically little better than feudal tribes. The British arrive with guns and steam ships and started pressuring then with trade terms.

If they called racism at that point. They would still be calling racist today living in huts.

The first thing they fucking said was "we suck, they are far more advanced than us we must learn."

100 years later Japan literally fights a war against a quarter of the world and wipes the floor with them. Gets nuked. And builds one of the world's largest economies off the back of being nuked.

I strongly fucking believe the moment you call racism. It's over for you. It's will lock you into your current state and remove progress from the set of possible outcomes.

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Right, the Morgan Freeman approach, the best way to stop racism is to stop talking about it. Extremely naive.

African Americans would still be slaves and segregated if racism was never called out. Did Rosa Parks fatally affect social improvement for her people? All social progress has come from calling things out, making a fuss, protesting, disobeying the status quo etc. To say the exact opposite does not hold water when you look at history

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Originally Posted by Double_Adapter

Interesting angle.....I heard or read somewhere that sexually open societies have contributed significantly to advancements in literature, science, technology, philosophy, and civilization, while sexually repressive societies (and there's a few of those around the world including religious ones) have often been linked to periods of regression, stagnation, oppression eg such as the dark ages and countries deemed third world.

The only country that bucks the trend seems to be Saudi Arabia. Perhaps they just buy all the above with their oil.

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I daresay when the west did a lot of its innovation, it was sexually repressive to some extent.

I suspect progress is a function of being able to innovate without corruption blocking it.

And also a feeling of self determination. Which is what dies when you call racism. You basically outsource the power to improve your situation to other people, and other people have no reason to care about you.

"we can't fix this problem because racism"

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Originally Posted by Sendmetheacti

I daresay when the west did a lot of its innovation, it was sexually repressive to some extent.

I suspect progress is a function of being able to innovate without corruption blocking it.

And also a feeling of self determination. Which is what dies when you call racism. You basically outsource the power to improve your situation to other people, and other people have no reason to care about you.

"we can't fix this problem because racism"

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Self determination is saying “fuck you I’m sitting where I want on this bus”, not “Oh maybe if I behave and don’t make a fuss they’ll accept me and stop descriminating against me”.

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Originally Posted by PussyBonpensiero

Self determination is saying “fuck you I’m sitting where I want on this bus”, not “Oh maybe if I behave and don’t make a fuss they’ll accept me and stop descriminating against me”.

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This isn't a Bollywood movie.
In real life your rewarded by working with others and getting along. Not being surrounded by 8 enemies and trying to fight them all at the same time while posing for the camera.

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Originally Posted by Sendmetheacti

This isn't a Bollywood movie.
In real life your rewarded by working with others and getting along. Not being surrounded by 8 enemies and trying to fight them all at the same time while posing for the camera.

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Why are you so arrogant? if the girls doesn’t want Indian, beat it! go elsewhere. Just because you have money doesn’t mean you can get everything. Have you ask the girls why they don’t accept Indians? you can’t respect people’s choice? I been to Thailand and I saw how they pick up the girls, I find it rude, some not clean and cheap ass! that’s the one sign I know and guess what? the girls will paint your whole country even if you are nice and respectful.

Dude, stop playing victim game just move on to another shop.

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Originally Posted by suka03

Why are you so arrogant? if the girls doesn’t want Indian, beat it! go elsewhere. Just because you have money doesn’t mean you can get everything. Have you ask the girls why they don’t accept Indians? you can’t respect people’s choice? I been to Thailand and I saw how they pick up the girls, I find it rude, some not clean and cheap ass! that’s the one sign I know and guess what? the girls will paint your whole country even if you are nice and respectful.

Dude, stop playing victim game just move on to another shop.

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I think you've got the wrong end of the stick there buddy.

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Originally Posted by Sendmetheacti

This isn't a Bollywood movie.
In real life your rewarded by working with others and getting along. Not being surrounded by 8 enemies and trying to fight them all at the same time while posing for the camera.

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This comparison has no relevance to anything I've said so I'll just leave things where they are. You do you, try to fit in and I hope that works for you.

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Originally Posted by PussyBonpensiero

This comparison has no relevance to anything I've said so I'll just leave things where they are. You do you, try to fit in and I hope that works for you.

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This is actually good advice mate. Well done

As for the Original Indian poster we know this isn't Bollywood. Or there would be a dozen punters bursting into song and dance. For no reason. Bollywood fucking sucks man.

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Originally Posted by Sendmetheacti

I'm not sure I buy the "Indians are genetically predisposed to not showering and mistreating women" angle.

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Yeah 80% of them just give the rest a bad name.