Some things will never change the only way to fix the problem is for admin to say shops can't post in the AR section of the forum unless its to answer a question or problem.
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Some things will never change the only way to fix the problem is for admin to say shops can't post in the AR section of the forum unless its to answer a question or problem.
What's worse is that if you actually open those bumped posts, you'll find there is one punters comment, with 3 pages (40) bumps.Quote:
Originally Posted by slarty
Perhaps there is a need for a feature that the forum developers can add: Have an ignore list for a forum section, and also honour the list in terms of displaying the latest thread posts. So you could have a setting that says ignore <spamPosterX> in section AR for example. Then you wouldn't see any thread activity if <spamPosterX> bumped the thread. This would help alot for the "What's New"/"New Posts" links as well.
Yeah I noticed that too. Some of the bumped threads are quite old too. If we're not careful the forum will end up shop owners and a small group of interested parties all talking to themselves. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by PhoBot
I'll be making a point to try and post more reviews whenever I see a new girl. I just hope people will see it among all that noise!
Sounds a little bit like the HL forum. Which has been quite shit for a while now imho. I hope this place isn't on it's way down that path. I haven't looked at the AR's yet today, I bet there's maybe only one or 2 that I'll read. When I logged into the Gerneral Talk section there are at least 21 threads that are advertising or bumped up threads promoting shops and girls. It's not really general talk is it. I'd hapily post more reviews, but I'm in a financial hole at the moment, so unfortunately my punting has unfortunately stopped in this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by slarty
I remeber the days when it was almost impossible to get a shop to post a roster up online or to find out who was on unless you actually called or visited a shop. Now we have to trawl through pages of advertising to find a normal review or general topic of conversation. A happy meduim would be nice.
I agree, somewhere in between will be great!! We all hated it when there is No information, but we don't want to be flooded with too much and repeated information either.Quote:
Originally Posted by tojo
The forum cannot survive without the advertisers, the members and guests are getting everything for free, we should respect the people who are paying the fees so that we can keep this forum going. There are rooms for 40 threads in each of the front page of General Talks and After Report, I don't have any issue if any one shop like Ginza or Foxy or SL all have a dedicated thread for the shop to post or update info or do whatever with their thread - but I guess one thread per shop will be good.
Then at least we can view stuffs from 40 different shops with info or reviews or general topics. that way it will be a fair game. The key is you are not taking too much room on the front page so that the other shops can not get in.
If other members want to start a new thread on any shop or bring back an old thread because he wants to add something new to it, then he should be free to do so, afterall, this is a free for all forum. If the thread is popular and generated a lot of posts, it will stay on the front page, otherwise, it will fade away very quickly.
Just my 1 cent
Cheers
Looks like detente has collapsed - it was nice while it lasted.
The arms race has started again !
The private AR is free from advertisers at the moment, why wouldn't we just post to that one?
This is not gonna work, if you want to write something where only 10% of the visitors to this site can read, then by all means!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jellyshots
The no. of visiting guests always outnumbered registered member about 4/5 to 1, I think when the forum with its peak visitation of 500+, only around 100 were members, well over 400+ were guests, and out of the 100 members, great majority of them were baby members who have no access to the private section, so you do the sum. You want to write for 50 people or rather 500 people can share your thoughts. its a no brainer.
Cheers
:burn:
I might get in trouble if I move my current AR into the public area tho, lol...Quote:
Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR
This is going to be the last post I make about this topic as I feel I've been pretty vocal already.
What makes this site good is the people who post their after reports. Not the advertisers, not the admin, only the people who spend their money and take time to write a report. I think it's the height of disrespect to allow these reports to be allowed to be used for spam!!
This is one of the better sites of it's type around, but I think the admin/s are being short sighted if they don't realise the current level of spam is a danger to the long term viability of this site for the short term gain of a few $$$
I'm not a communist and hope the admin makes heaps of punting money from this place, but I think they need to seriously think about how to keep this site the great place it is.
And AHLUNGOR, I disagree that members get it for free. We are the ones who keep this site ALIVE by spending our money then posting the reports.
Without these reports, this place would be an empty message board.
Do you think the customers will punish the offending advertisers by not patronizing them ? :miao: I don't think so, or they won't be spamming anymore ! :miao:Quote:
Originally Posted by PhoBot
Personally it gives me the shits seeing the useless bumps. There is probably a happy medium that could be reached but in the end it's the admins decision.
I use this forum because I find the information I find here the most useful compared to others. But like Wilisno said I ain't gonna punish advertisers for doing this. It's my loss not theirs..
That said why can't admin keep advertisers to General and Roster sections. You can post links to AR in Roster updates..
No use punishing the advertisers when there are no rules against this.. Hell I would do this too to promote my shop if I had one!
I think you sum it up pretty well PhoBot but I doubt that anything will change its all controlled by the famous $$$$$$Quote:
Originally Posted by PhoBot
That's exactly the point ! If the advertisements don't produce results, why would the advertisers bother to do it, in other words, why would they bother to pay to be in it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beancounter
I agree, you spend the money to produce positive results. They are allowed to promote their business in this way in return. In acknowledgement to why this thread was created, it's all not positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilisno
I have already said what I prefer to see but if the admin isn't gonna enforce it, nothing is gonna change. It's like telling people not to speed with no penalties..
I can understand why admin would stay quiet on this but I would like to see their stance so they can put this to bed.. that or I can put a WL to bed :p
Don't you think Admin has already done something ? Rememeber Yamada used to post 12-15 threads at any one time, several times a day ? Why do you think he's slowing down ? I think it's obvious that Admin has done something !Quote:
Originally Posted by Beancounter
In order not to upset the advertisers, may be the Admin can trial something:
Keep the current General Talk, After Report, Private Massage and Shop Rosters sections as they are so everybody is happy especially the shops.
Create a members posting only section (everyone can view this section but shop owners are excluded from posting!) Without the Shop Owners posting, members should be happy and no more complaints about seeing 6 threads from yamada, 5 from MOC, 4 from TP 64, 3 from Ginza, 2 from 5 Star and 1 each from everyone else.
The only problem is, you can restrict the shop owner from posting in this section, but as the number of views and responses from this section skyrocketed and other sections goes quiet !! You can't control people registering new user names such as a sir yamada, MOC II, TP 64.1 and Ginzaboy etc. So there you go. Back to square 1.
Just my two cents, there must be other smart people who has a better solution,
Cheers
:thirst:
These updated threads are annoying to us regulars on the forum and we have seen them all 100 times.
But they are not targetted at us. We are already customers or have already made up our minds about certain shops.
The updated threads are aimed at newbies and more importantly guests.
Check the people on the forum info and you will see guests outnumber members 5 to 1.
These people are often seeing the thread fir the first time. And there are always new guests logging in to view them.
That's why some threads have 1000's of views.
They may annoy us regulars and we just ignore them, but they are clearly an effective way to advertise the agency/shop to new customers.
That's why advertisers will keep on doing it - its good for business.
Yeap, try 194,947 views, why would we want to change anything, right ?Quote:
Originally Posted by rooter
I brought this thread over from the old forum exactly one year ago yesterday, it's getting on average 532 views a day! I'm sure my little sister is not complaining............:smile:
It may be an effective way for shops to advertise, but lets say there are 5 more shops doing this, the whole AR section would soon be full of NOTHING and eventually the regulars will take their posts else where, and the guests will have nothing to read.
I thought you said the last post was your last on this subject ? :miao:Quote:
Originally Posted by PhoBot
Anyway, as you said, you've been using the same reasoning for a long time now, and it's always been like this on this forum, so what has happened ? Users have doubled in the last 2 years !
As I've also said many times before, if there is such a need, I'm sure Admin will introduced new sections like The Private Massage Report.
I reckon the amount of money being spent punting by forum readers is fairly constant on average.
So the spamming advertisers are trying to increase their share from us.
Each of them will try to do this in their own way, using one or more techiniques, Eg:
- provide up to date roster info
- give good info about their girls: size, dimensions, services, etc
- provide pictures
- encourage punters to write reports
- spam
- others ...
Spamming appears to be the low cost shortcut way to try to increase market share, since you are not really adding any value or doing any "work" as such.
But does it work ?
I think once a punter has frequented a place a few times they will form an opinion about whether that place is worth visiting for various reasons:
- easy to contact and organise a time/lady
- keeping bookings
- truthfullness of info and pictures
- quality of ladies
- services actually offered
- value for money
- location
- others ...
I think most/all of us repeat punters ignore the spam as best we can and dont' even read it, so it's pointless in the main.
I think spam may only work to attract interest from first time customers to a shop, however the more savy potential punters will be
looking at the rosters and girl details and then reading any real AR's and base their decision on this.
If spam does attract interest then the points above about increasing market share come into play.
The only reason I can see spam working then is to attract mug punters.
If I was running a shop I would provide rolling daily updates to my roster thread, in the roster section looking forward a few days, and also details/pictures of the girls etc, either via weblink or in the actual post. (Via a weblink would be better as it's not just forum readers who will potentially see it). I would provide quality girls at a good price and then I would expect good ARs.
If I had low quality girls and was not offering good value then I would rely on spamming to get a constant stream of first timers to my shop.
So if a shop had high quality girls and offered good value it doesn't make sense to spam, it won't increase business, it is actually bad for business because you will annoy people.
Bro PhoBot,Quote:
Originally Posted by PhoBot
I agree, but...
What do you mean by "eventually"?
I have already seen a decline in the number of AR's compared to year ago.
That's not the case, as simple as that !Quote:
Originally Posted by CunningLinguist
All the bumped threads are of girls that are currently most famous, well known on quality and service, so this theory doesn't work. The fact is, you might have read ten good reports and have ten good girls in mind for your next punt, there's a good chance that the first name that comes into your mind at the right time will get the booking, the right time is the time when you're horny and want to punt !
Those who complain are mainly non-customers of those shops, that's why they ( those shop owners who like bumping threads ) don't care less If their business suffers because of this, I don't think they will continue doing so !