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Small chance does not mean impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie123
Do you all see people winning lottery?
That's very small chance.
So I agree, the chance of STD from oral sex is minuscule, but there is chance.
If you do BBBJ, do it with knowing the risk.
I fully understand and I'm not married. So I guess, that wouldn't matter as much as our married brothers, as long as it's not the lethal HIV.
Miniscule.. really?
So a WL is tested on a weekly basis, contracts an STD between check ups, and gives maybe 20 BBBJs during this period. At least one of these guys has the STD passed onto him.
Relax man, just don't do BBBJ if you are this worried. There is no point in paying around $3 per minute to get this worried for days afterwards. Better to just jack off or something.
Buddy, I am not a medical expert.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie123
But I know how to do research. I could do and prepare a long research to post here. And also shows the calculation, along with the chance of average punter catching.
And unfortunately, I am not in the mood of explaining things with data.
However, I want to say that your logic and example is wrong.
AND, of course, I'm talking about chance catching through BBBJ. Not chance of catching through BBBJ from a specific WLs that is infected.
If we were to talk neutrally. Without any moral value bias, or anything.
So the easiest way to say is.
How many WLs do you think are out there?
And the numbers of punters?
And the numbers/porportion of punters that caught the specific STD, through Oral sex.
I am sorry to use lottery as comparison.
As from your sentence, you have the typical lottery mentality.
No, I don't mean anything bad.
It's just average mentality. Or most people mentality.
What I mean is, you look at too small numbers.
If we are talking about chance, of course we are talking about sample size of ten of thousands.
And that sample size is of course, specific of catching the specific STD through specific method, in this case the disease a bro clain he caught through BBBJ.
Nah i love BBBJs man, just don't see point in kidding myself about the risks involved
If you know a WL infected, you wouldn't see her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie123
The point is you don't know until you caught it.
And that "don't know" is the purpose of statistics and numbers.
Sounds like you're the one with the lottery mentality my friend.
And yeah, if you're the sorta guy that likes to get BBBJs from girls that you meet in clubs and in social situations, i suppose chances of an STD might not be high
On the other hand, if you're the sorta guy that likes to get BBBJs from women that get paid to give BBBJs to multiple strangers every single day, the chances of picking up an STD are far greater.
All this talk about miniscule risks is just you trying to make yourself feel better about what you're doing ... punters are catching STDs this way, the evidence is all over these forums
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Originally Posted by Jj999
Regular girls do not do regular check-ups and WLs do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie123
So how can you say the risk is lower?
I don't know which one is lower.
Saying something without proper number is what I call "lottery mentality". Superstitions, etc.
Same as people buying lottery.
If they really understand number, they know it's one of the stupidest thing to do.
Your logic is totally wrong there ! Have a look at what the professional said, here's a copy of the guy's post about what his STI specialist said about your logic :Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie123
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Quote: iamnowfucked1234
I just want to clarify a few things:
1. I never intended to make 5star look bad. I did see a very reputable STI doctor in a private hospital and she hinted WLs are actually much cleaner than the ones you bump into on the streets.
3. I also called the NSW Sexual Health hotline, they informed me that having HIV on oral sex is extremely low and the negative PCR results after 10 days do suggest that too.
Sorry. Not saying something. It was supposed, "argue about anything". Esp. For discussion similar to this kind of discussion.
we are reading same thing over and over again ....
Most WLs dont do BBBJ ... If the health professional realised that the lady regularly gave unprotected oral sex (cim too? DD?) i bet she would have had a completely differeng opinion.
This isnt about statistics its about common sense.
yes, agree, and many people just do not care too much ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie123
The health professional realizes a lot more than you think, they are specialists, they've seen a lot more cases than you from the forum, and it's true that it involves common sense too and not just statistics, you get BBBJ more easily if you hook up with a girl outside than getting it from a WL,Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie123
Some guy caught std from having bbbj at 5 star
For an average WL working in a shop where BBBJ is standard service, if she works 5 days a week, she could easily have done 50 BBBJ's during this period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie123
Perhaps now I understand why so many brothers try to get BJ and or FS from the MLs in the massage shop, I suppose depending on the girl, if this girl in the massage shop agrees to give you BBBJ in the shop, you could easily be her 1st customer in the week or even in the past two weeks, vs. in the FS shop where you could be the 50th or the 100th customers of the WL, so if there is a risk, the risk factor will be significantly different between a ML and a WL. Fair comment?
While we are on the subject of risk and STD via BBBJ, may I throw a few questions into the ring, so more knowledgeable brothers can have a say for the greater benefits of the members and guests:
Situation 1: The WL is infected in the throat area (STD only, not HIV)
Risk factor: while performing BBBJ to the punter, the punter's cock will come into contact with the infected area and therefore infected as well. Agree/Disagree?
Situation 2: The punter is infected, so his cock is carrying the infection (again, STD only, not HIV)
Rick factor: while receiving BBBJ, his infected cock comes into contact with the mouth or throat of the WL and infected her. Agree/Disagree?
Situation 3: The WL is HIV positive - I am under the impression that you will need a direct contact with bloodily fluid (low risk) or blood (extreme high risk) or semens (extreme high risk) to be infected - Agree/Disagree ?
Risk factor: If the WL has no open cut inside her mouth or not bleeding, the risk of catching HIV from her via BBBJ is low. Agree/Disagree ?
If the WL has got an ulcer or bleeding from her tooth, the risk of catching HIV from BBBJ is high. Agree/Disgree ?
Situation 4: The punter is HIV positive, my impression is you can only be infected by him if the WL's body comes into direct contact with his semens such as via BBFS in the vagina or BB anal (extreme high risk) Agree/Disagree?
Risk factor: The HIV positive punter is receiving BBBJ from the WL, if he does not ejaculate (ie. no semens cums into contact with the WL's mouth), the risk is very low. Agree/Disagree.
If he CIM, and the WL has no open wound inside her mouth and not bleeding, her risk of infection is still low, Agree/Disagree.
If he CIM, and the WL has ulcer, or is bleeding, her risk of infection is high. Agree/Disagree.
For the purpose of this post, we will leaving out other situations involving vaginal sex, anal, DD, DATY, or DFK - mainly just focus on BBBJ only.
Your comments are most welcome.
Let the debate begin.
Just my 2 cents
Cheers
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I dunno bro, if the lady has received a CIM from an STD carrying customer, and not disinfected her mouth properly afterwards, and the next customer gets a BBBJ, and he has a cut or abrasion on his cock, i'd suggest there would be a risk of transmission there as well.
In terms of MLs, i take your point these ladies have nowhere near the mileage of WLs. However, they are also exposed to a lot more cum than most WLs (they clean it up, get it on hands, sometimes on body...). A simple cut on a hand that is covered in semen might be enough for these poor girls to catch an STD. MLs often seem less educated about STDs and safe sex practices as well.
Haha, Brother Charlie,Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie123
Forever so caring about the general welfare of MLs! Good on you Bro!!
May be we should now declare a brand new high risk group for HIV infections:
A young ML who just sqeezed a pimple had received a Cum on Face from a HIV positive client - Big, Big Risk !!
And I am very serious!!
MLs beware, but if you are a MILF, you probably will be safe!!
Cheers
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Wank at home after washing hands with hospital grade sanitiser is safer !Quote:
Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR
Personally, i insist upon wearing a condom during the HJ after the massage, its the only way to ensure everything is 100% safe.
Aha - just kidding!