Dating a ML - share some stories!!

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Originally Posted by CunningLinguist

Dude she is just stringing you on so you keep paying, sorry mate, time to move on.
A word of advice, enjoy your time with a WL/ML, fall in love, get lost in the moment, but once the time is up come back to reality and forget about her, you can cherish the feeling but you have to learn to divorce the feeling from the acutal girl, she is paid to make you feel good, and she wants you to come back so she can make more money. Remember GFE is not real, some experienced punters still get confused by it.

Sometimes a WL/ML will really like you, and it will be obvious, (she might give you free mindblowing extras, ask you to take her out, or be direct and ask you to be her boyfriend, or tell you she loves you) then you can decide if you want to see her outside of the shop, but chasing a WL/ML like you are is bad form, demeaning to you, and no good will come of it.

My analogy is to treat the time you pay for like a movie, enjoy it, immerse yourself in it, but when the time is up it is over.

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LOL some punters think GFE is real

If you want GFE then find a GF in the real world

Yeah it's hard.

I've fallen into the trap of seeking companionship when visiting some of these parlours. And when a ML is receptive and good at what she does, my sensors immediately flicker and I fall for the trap.

Having been a punter for roughly 5 years, I think it's the phase I'm going through where I am looking for more than just sexual relief.

I feel alot better reading some of your constructive comments. This site also serves as a mini counselling page where punters come to the rescue of other punters.

One thing I have learnt is that I need to get a girlfriend. I need to work on fixing myself first and the rest will take care of itself. When guys are deprived emotionally/sexually, I think we tend to latch on to the first sign of interest from a girl. I clearly did that and invested myself too much into something that she thought not much more than a transaction.

Feelsbad but i feel better knowing there are punters out there who have so much more experience and knowledge and are passing their words of wisdom down.

Off to the gym.

Yours truly

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Originally Posted by z3335526

Yeah it's hard.

I've fallen into the trap of seeking companionship when visiting some of these parlours. And when a ML is receptive and good at what she does, my sensors immediately flicker and I fall for the trap.

Having been a punter for roughly 5 years, I think it's the phase I'm going through where I am looking for more than just sexual relief.

I feel alot better reading some of your constructive comments. This site also serves as a mini counselling page where punters come to the rescue of other punters.

One thing I have learnt is that I need to get a girlfriend. I need to work on fixing myself first and the rest will take care of itself. When guys are deprived emotionally/sexually, I think we tend to latch on to the first sign of interest from a girl. I clearly did that and invested myself too much into something that she thought not much more than a transaction.

Feelsbad but i feel better knowing there are punters out there who have so much more experience and knowledge and are passing their words of wisdom down.

Off to the gym.

Yours truly

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Thanks for sharing, good luck in the real world :)

I think CL has pretty much summed it up.
You have to separate punting from your every day life.
But you definitely shouldn't close and harden your heart when you go into a punt - on the contrary you should totally open it up.
If you close your heart and just treat a punt like a transaction then you are only getting 10% of the pleasure that punting can give you - you might as well get a rubber doll or watch porn and wank and save your money.
You have to totally lose yourself in the moment and enjoy the pleasure of a horny girlfriend for an hour - a girl you would never fuck in every day life.
But once the punt is over you have to switch off, and get over it - as a punter you have to have the same mindset of a WL.
It's not always easy - some girls get to you - you don't shake them off easily - but eventually you do and move on.
There are lots of other girls ...

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Originally Posted by rooter

I think CL has pretty much summed it up.
You have to separate punting from your every day life.
But you definitely shouldn't close and harden your heart when you go into a punt - on the contrary you should totally open it up.
If you close your heart and just treat a punt like a transaction then you are only getting 10% of the pleasure that punting can give you - you might as well get a rubber doll or watch porn and wank and save your money.
You have to totally lose yourself in the moment and enjoy the pleasure of a horny girlfriend for an hour - a girl you would never fuck in every day life.
But once the punt is over you have to get over it - as a punter you have to have the same mindset of a WL.
It's not always easy - some girls get you - you don't shake them off easily - but eventually you do and move on.

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Not quite what CL meant ! ;) ;) ;)

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Originally Posted by z3335526

So an update to my situation.

The ML came back from holidays and I surprised her with a white rose and a card conveying some of my feelings. She was gone for a while and I had really missed her when she left because I was developing a great connection with her.

So I gave her those and told her how much I missed her. She read the card and was thankful for the rose. The card had my number which I thought was a nice way of providing my number in a subtle way. I hinted that I wanted to see her outside of the shop and would wait on her to find some time to see me.

That session went well and we spent the whole time just chatting. She said we definitely could meet outside for lunch. I ended the session feeling great and hopeful that I could pursue this "relationship" further and maybe make it into something.

She didn't text back for a few days.

I organised a session with her later that week in the shop. I subtly hinted that I was slightly disappointed that she didn't text me. Inside the shop, she treats me so well. She is completely at ease and engages with me on a pretty personal level. From my position, I keep thinking that it would be so easy to convert this into something more on the outside. I left that session again feeling better and hoping that something would materialise. At that session, I got her number from her and texted her a few greetings afterwards. Her responses were short and succinct and i felt that I wasn't making much progress in the "Texting" game.

Next week arrives and I see her. As usual, the session is great and we are there just talking and kissing. I find out more about her. For the last few sessions, I told her I didn't want a happy ending but I would still pay her the extra fee. She didn't accept the extra fee on those occassions which was nice. But this week, she was keen for me to relax and let her do her magic. She is great at that but in my mind, I am trying to find ways to go out with this girl, and I felt that the arrangement of paying her to satisfy my little fellow was not the way to go about it. Strange that we think differently when we like a girl.

Well that week (saw her twice) and both sessions were great but I still couldn't manage to see her outside. She flaked on the one occasion i suggested a meetup. However, I asked very late and even I would have probably said no lol given the late request.

Cue last week, I again saw her twice. Both sessions were great as usual. She treats me fantastic inside the shop. I keep implying that I am desperate to see her outside. She said that she will be seeing me on my bday (this week). I understand that but am keen to lunch with her sometime. She says she will let me know. Essentially, I tried twice to organise something with her last week and on both occasions, they failed. Her texting game has improved. She initiates a few texts but I have been unable to secure a meet-up outside the shop yet which depresses me alot.

It hurts man. You feel like you build a connection and you struggle to complete the process. I felt like I did the hard things. I got the number, I got her to text a few times, but in the end, like what many of you have said, these girls are more comfortable in the shop than meeting you outside.

I need to understand that I was fighting a losing battle from the beginning anyway. Firstly:

1. She's really pretty and I'm in the process of becoming fit again but am not in her league (yet lol)
2. She's a ML (tough to beat that one)
3. She's very popular at the shop which would suggest that my feelings may have been shared by many. I still believe I am different to others in how I connect with her but my failure to secure a date would suggest otherwise.

I also have played the "Game" poorly. From my position, my texting game was poor and I think I showed signs of desperation. When you like a girl, you start acting and texting differently and I think this is a turn-off. When she flaked on the last meeting, I texted her and called her twice to no avail. I needn't have done that. The pure fact that she said she would let me know when she would be free the previous night should have been enough to suggest that she would initiate the conversation the next day. Her failure to do so should have been enough. MY actions in calling and texting were unnecessary because they look a little desperate and that's not the image you want to create. I spoke to her on the phone and she basically said she was out the previous night and slept most of the next day. I said ok and then ended the conversation (politely).

I feel disappointed, disheartened and a little confused. I need to understand that it is almost impossible to date a ML (especially one that is very pretty) but my naivety got the better of me. I am unsure as to what my next steps should be. I have thought about this girl ALOT. Tbh, as much as girls I have really liked in the past. That is the effect she has had on me.

I love the sessions in the shop but I know that inside, I will always want more and that seems like something I am not going to get.

She has indicated that she wanted to get me something for my bday this week and do something but I am fairly certain this will not happen (based on past experiences).

I feel like I need to take a step back and just not text or see her for a while. I'm a sucker for these girls and it's going to take alot of effort but it seems like the only thing to do.

Sorry for the long-winded essay but I need to get my thoughts on paper because I'm feeling down and gym and cardio appear the only things that keep my upbeat during the day. Time will tell.

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Sounds to me she's not interested in you. Better not develop feelings for her, try to see other girls.

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Originally Posted by z3335526

Yeah it's hard.

I've fallen into the trap of seeking companionship when visiting some of these parlours. And when a ML is receptive and good at what she does, my sensors immediately flicker and I fall for the trap.

Having been a punter for roughly 5 years, I think it's the phase I'm going through where I am looking for more than just sexual relief.

I feel alot better reading some of your constructive comments. This site also serves as a mini counselling page where punters come to the rescue of other punters.

One thing I have learnt is that I need to get a girlfriend. I need to work on fixing myself first and the rest will take care of itself. When guys are deprived emotionally/sexually, I think we tend to latch on to the first sign of interest from a girl. I clearly did that and invested myself too much into something that she thought not much more than a transaction.

Feelsbad but i feel better knowing there are punters out there who have so much more experience and knowledge and are passing their words of wisdom down.

Off to the gym.

Yours truly

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That's the right attitude brother and you are on the right track !!

Not exactly sure of your situations but sounds like (by your own admission) she is a bit out of your league. That's OK, enjoy her company and services while you can mate. No more these talk talk and no action stuff IMHO, just let loose in your session and enjoy. At least, for the 60 min or so you had paid for, just imagine the room is your place and she is your girl friend. When the session is over, kiss and say goodbye. and back to the real world.

And if you are really after that feeling of going out with her doing lunch or dinner stuff. Why don't you just book her for two hours during lunch or dinner time and have a little picnic on the massage table (BYO some nice Asian takeaway and if possible, some alcoholic drinks too) (don't laugh, yours truly had done this myself many many years ago !!) play the game and go with the flow, enjoy but stop dreaming OK.

May be after a few more dining on the massage table, she will open up more and may out for coffee with you, you never know mate !!

BTW, I take it you are caucasian and she is Asian !! it takes a lot longer for inter racial relationship to develop mate, unless she is after something and makes it very easy for you, and she clearly is not - so, you either do as I suggested and enjoy, enjoy and enjoy, and at the same time, work on yourself and be very patient. otherwise, do as some other brother said and move on !!

Just my two cents

Cheers

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Hey guys! I'm kinda back...

Best single piece of advice I can give here is "be a man". Make decisions for yourself and in your best interests. It's not up to anyone except yourself to make you happy. I've dated quite a few ML's now separately and with their friends. They're just young women... No big surprises or secrets usually except some may have kids from a prior relationship. Women do some pretty silly things to get themselves in debt and are forever paying them off.

If you know how to have a good time just being yourself, it's an attractive quality. Also, be unapologetic for your actions. ML's ask me all the time why I see them in a shop when they say that I should have no trouble attracting women. I usually laugh and say, "Because I can. Plus, this is where all of the naughty girls are and I LIKE naughty girls."

This is going to sound horrible but I use ML's for practice. I pick the hottest ones I can find, book them, chat them up, see what pushes their buttons. I ask them what they like about men. It usually ends up one of a few ways either they give me their details or I get freebie extras. Some have been really cool. Dragging me out on a date with one of the other ML's from the shop and plenty of public three-way kissing etc. Very good for the ego but better for dating non-ML's. Facebook + photos = awesome. New women you meet will likely stalk you on Facebook. If you are seem with good looking women draping off you, it brings out their competitive streak.

Oh, and stop dropping loads of cash on them. All it does is make you one of the crowd of wannabe's that expect to buy a girl a few drinks and get laid at the end of the night. Start being the guy that they like being around and having fun with. The sex will come naturally.

Public three-way kissing LOL

The bullshit is back.

I guess I might just be lucky @ the moment have 2 WL as girlfriends but i insist on paying for sex , when we go out just for entertainment they pay there own way although I usually pay for the meal & drinks.
Recently after knowing a WL for over 18months she surprised me on my Birthday, by taking me to the casino for lunch she paid for the meal & drink even got a room for 2 hours
all expenses paid.
Of course I will give her a big celebration on her birthday , maybe a harbour cruise .
I agree that even the WL I am seeing is money focused she tells me about other customers about the gifts and cash tips, she also tells me she is a very good actress when she needs to be , so I bet she has some other punter that she talks to about me . so its all fair , I just enjoy the time I have with them & keep it light & don't confuse it with love

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Originally Posted by z3335526

So an update to my situation.

The ML came back from holidays and I surprised her with a white rose and a card conveying some of my feelings. She was gone for a while and I had really missed her when she left because I was developing a great connection with her.

So I gave her those and told her how much I missed her. She read the card and was thankful for the rose. The card had my number which I thought was a nice way of providing my number in a subtle way. I hinted that I wanted to see her outside of the shop and would wait on her to find some time to see me.

That session went well and we spent the whole time just chatting. She said we definitely could meet outside for lunch. I ended the session feeling great and hopeful that I could pursue this "relationship" further and maybe make it into something.

She didn't text back for a few days.

I organised a session with her later that week in the shop. I subtly hinted that I was slightly disappointed that she didn't text me. Inside the shop, she treats me so well. She is completely at ease and engages with me on a pretty personal level. From my position, I keep thinking that it would be so easy to convert this into something more on the outside. I left that session again feeling better and hoping that something would materialise. At that session, I got her number from her and texted her a few greetings afterwards. Her responses were short and succinct and i felt that I wasn't making much progress in the "Texting" game.

Next week arrives and I see her. As usual, the session is great and we are there just talking and kissing. I find out more about her. For the last few sessions, I told her I didn't want a happy ending but I would still pay her the extra fee. She didn't accept the extra fee on those occassions which was nice. But this week, she was keen for me to relax and let her do her magic. She is great at that but in my mind, I am trying to find ways to go out with this girl, and I felt that the arrangement of paying her to satisfy my little fellow was not the way to go about it. Strange that we think differently when we like a girl.

Well that week (saw her twice) and both sessions were great but I still couldn't manage to see her outside. She flaked on the one occasion i suggested a meetup. However, I asked very late and even I would have probably said no lol given the late request.

Cue last week, I again saw her twice. Both sessions were great as usual. She treats me fantastic inside the shop. I keep implying that I am desperate to see her outside. She said that she will be seeing me on my bday (this week). I understand that but am keen to lunch with her sometime. She says she will let me know. Essentially, I tried twice to organise something with her last week and on both occasions, they failed. Her texting game has improved. She initiates a few texts but I have been unable to secure a meet-up outside the shop yet which depresses me alot.

It hurts man. You feel like you build a connection and you struggle to complete the process. I felt like I did the hard things. I got the number, I got her to text a few times, but in the end, like what many of you have said, these girls are more comfortable in the shop than meeting you outside.

I need to understand that I was fighting a losing battle from the beginning anyway. Firstly:

1. She's really pretty and I'm in the process of becoming fit again but am not in her league (yet lol)
2. She's a ML (tough to beat that one)
3. She's very popular at the shop which would suggest that my feelings may have been shared by many. I still believe I am different to others in how I connect with her but my failure to secure a date would suggest otherwise.

I also have played the "Game" poorly. From my position, my texting game was poor and I think I showed signs of desperation. When you like a girl, you start acting and texting differently and I think this is a turn-off. When she flaked on the last meeting, I texted her and called her twice to no avail. I needn't have done that. The pure fact that she said she would let me know when she would be free the previous night should have been enough to suggest that she would initiate the conversation the next day. Her failure to do so should have been enough. MY actions in calling and texting were unnecessary because they look a little desperate and that's not the image you want to create. I spoke to her on the phone and she basically said she was out the previous night and slept most of the next day. I said ok and then ended the conversation (politely).

I feel disappointed, disheartened and a little confused. I need to understand that it is almost impossible to date a ML (especially one that is very pretty) but my naivety got the better of me. I am unsure as to what my next steps should be. I have thought about this girl ALOT. Tbh, as much as girls I have really liked in the past. That is the effect she has had on me.

I love the sessions in the shop but I know that inside, I will always want more and that seems like something I am not going to get.

She has indicated that she wanted to get me something for my bday this week and do something but I am fairly certain this will not happen (based on past experiences).

I feel like I need to take a step back and just not text or see her for a while. I'm a sucker for these girls and it's going to take alot of effort but it seems like the only thing to do.

Sorry for the long-winded essay but I need to get my thoughts on paper because I'm feeling down and gym and cardio appear the only things that keep my upbeat during the day. Time will tell.

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lol damn creepy. tell us the girl n the shop

Few years ago I met a pretty in M8 called "Lok". She mentioned to me that she wanted to go cruise. I hesitated a few days then turned down the offer. Personal reason.... But I could never see her any more since then.

thanks for sharing everyone. its been very helpful for me.

I first went and saw a ML less than 1 months ago. just for shits and giggles and see what this is all about. Since then, I've visited over 5 times :$. now i will be getting married in less than a fortnight. Now the question is, will i be able to give up on this new found part of our culture... i don't know but this thread did help me realize that some things can never be and its all in mind head and that i'm just one of many guys/clients that they see a week. I guess on average they may see 7 clients a day (8+ hour shift) if they are popular and may work 4-5 days a week which means that they would get more than me in wage in a week and that there is 27+ other guys which may have an attachment to a single ML. And that there will be people seeing them longer than me with more cash to burn that nothing outside will ever occur for little young me.

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Originally Posted by domo

thanks for sharing everyone. its been very helpful for me.

I first went and saw a ML less than 1 months ago. just for shits and giggles and see what this is all about. Since then, I've visited over 5 times :$. now i will be getting married in less than a fortnight. Now the question is, will i be able to give up on this new found part of our culture... i don't know but this thread did help me realize that some things can never be and its all in mind head and that i'm just one of many guys/clients that they see a week. I guess on average they may see 7 clients a day (8+ hour shift) if they are popular and may work 4-5 days a week which means that they would get more than me in wage in a week and that there is 27+ other guys which may have an attachment to a single ML. And that there will be people seeing them longer than me with more cash to burn that nothing outside will ever occur for little young me.

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It will be hard to give up once you've tasted the fruits. But your understanding is correct, so be wise.

Either get it out of your system by consistently banging you fiance.

Otherwise, forget about the marriage.

we're all human, not robots so we all have emotions.

We all get older but there is always some young new ml, wl that pops up and has the capacity to steal our hearts. We have to realise they do this for the money, we do it to bang hot chicks no?

Dude getting married in a fortnight I think you've opened a can of worms...

I may have Junkyard, I may have...

Tho, It's like the Katy Perry song "I Kissed A Girl" but for different reasons ;).

After much contemplation, i'm not so much in it for the part 2's yes its all nice an all but i'm actually going there for the conversations. When you treat the girls with respect and share a little, its amazing what they talk about. I know i'm green to this and all but who they are and how they got there still intrigues me as well as helping them practice their english :). It also disheartens me on how many 'clients' negotiate for a deal and then not paying before or after as well as the 'clients' that don't ask for permission yet have their way with them :'(. I wonder if the shops have a list of black listed 'clients' for bad behavior or something.

I'm like domo, I find it so interesting and they have so many stories, like customers who like pain to absolute jerks who doesn't understand the word no... Just wish everyone can respect these girls.
But I have made friends with a few of them, and do hang out, outside work really enjoy creating stories on how we met. I just made some ridiculous story to her friends and even her mouth was open in shock.. Lol

There will always be a small percentage (or large!) that our gf's wives, can't satisfy and that is why we punt.

It's a business transaction: Hand over money, get something in return.

The mls, wls apparently are so well trained now, that's why they pull on our heartstrings as well, it's
all to get repeat business.

Man if we think about this too much we'll go nuts, just enjoy it and put it in the spank bank.

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Originally Posted by Bose0412

I'm like domo, I find it so interesting and they have so many stories, like customers who like pain to absolute jerks who doesn't understand the word no... Just wish everyone can respect these girls.
But I have made friends with a few of them, and do hang out, outside work really enjoy creating stories on how we met. I just made some ridiculous story to her friends and even her mouth was open in shock.. Lol

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Care to share some of these fun stories? Sounds like they will be a blast