Sensational Transformational Budget from Joe Hockey, well done Joe........

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Originally Posted by goulash

Well, there was a reason why I didn't expect intelligent political discourse on a site dedicated to finding customers for (mostly illegal) knocking shops and to sharing stories of fucking girls... the thing about average intelligence is that most people are average...

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What happened to all those colourful descriptions you put on for our last 5/6 Prime Ministers ??

And everything else were gone between now and 1901 ??

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Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR

What can I say, the Australian people always deserved the government they voted in !!

Rain, hails or shine !!

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Mr Abbott said on Sunday that he had let voters know what was coming before the election.

''You might remember the mantra - it was stop the boats, repeal the carbon tax, build the roads of the 21st century, and get the budget back under control,'' he told the ABC's Insiders program.

''So people, I think, were on notice that we were going to do what was necessary to ensure that we were not being a burden on our children and grandchildren.''

I guess this is the difference between core promises/mantra and non core which can be broken. He is very disillusioned.

I loved this exchange on Budget night with Hockey and Ferguson on ABC...it might as well on been an Abbott and Costello skit...

SARAH FERGUSON: Now, two of the more controversial tax hikes in this picture, that's the deficit levy and the Medicare co-payment...

JOE HOCKEY: More controversial? There are only two tax adjustments of any substance...

SARAH FERGUSON: Adjustments? Is that what we're going to call them now?

JOE HOCKEY: Well, of any substance, so any tax changes if you like, or whatever you'd like to call it.

SARAH FERGUSON: New taxes?

JOE HOCKEY: But whatever you'd like to call it, there's two. You know, there's actually fewer than any of the previous Budgets from the previous government. So that's a good sign.

SARAH FERGUSON: They're still taxes. I don't need to teach you, Treasurer, what a tax is. You know that a co-payment, a levy and a tax are all taxes by any other name. Am I correct?

JOE HOCKEY: Of course they are. Yes.

SARAH FERGUSON: So there are new taxes in your Budget?

JOE HOCKEY: There are increases in taxes.

captain plough - of all the discussion on this thread yours is the least insightful, the least intellectual and also the most banal.

I remember you from an earlier thread. You are an uneducated right wing conspiracy theorist. You live in your own schitozphrenic reality and you understand nothing at all about politics or economics

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Originally Posted by SmilingGiraffe

Do you remember that old John Lennon song? A Working Crass Hero... "...a working crass hero is something to be...."
It's a funny old world, one must always maintain a sense of humour, in the face of all the slings and arrows.

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Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR

One other problem we are facing is the interest rate !

We are current paying over 4% for our government debts because we borrowed from the international market !

England and Italy are also very heavily in debt but they borrowed from within on their own country men's savings and super and only pay around 2.5% interest.

What this mean is, if there is another GFC, Australia is a lot more vulnerable than our western trading partners !

So we must clear the debts level ASAP !

Go Anthony and Joseph !!

Cut, cut, cut !

Just my two cents !

Cheers

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mate, I love your reviews and the vibe you give the forum on sex matters. But mate, I am afraid you really don't know the first thing about economics. I won't give a lecture - I've given plenty in the past - but I will say you ought to broaden your research from News Corp and listen to others than a few shockjocks. Hadley, Jones, Bolt et al are stirrers: pure an simple. They have zero intellectual credibility and wouldn't know an argument from a polemic, a debate from an agitation. It is the base tactic of the rightwing: divide. By labelling and putting people and ideas into little boxes, categories, it is easy to generalise and diminish those ideas. By ignoring nuanced reasoning and refusing to acknowledge the logic of premises, it is easy to establish an antithesis. But impossible to give a logical thesis. And that is the point. Abbott, and who he represents, do not respect logical thinking. His economics are deeply flawed. We know he is a religious nutter and has no idea about science. His four year election campaign was based on emotional slogans. All pretty clear indicators that he is not a rational man. And me, for one, would rather be governed by rationality than the ideological hogwash he comes out with and that you - I am afraid to say - you are regurgitating.

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Originally Posted by greybeard_

captain plough - of all the discussion on this thread yours is the least insightful, the least intellectual and also the most banal.

I remember you from an earlier thread. You are an uneducated right wing conspiracy theorist. You live in your own schitozphrenic reality and you understand nothing at all about politics or economics

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Dear fellow, if you can't make a civil contribution to the discussion why do you visit this thread. Perhaps you might start your own thread.
You sound very familiar, like someone else who prefers to spread vitriol rather than simply discuss matters - nudge nudge wink wink, say no more!

Not that it matters one iota, but in response to your comments - I'm well educated and, much more importantly, I'm well read across many fields.
Bear in mind, I don't care whether you, or anyone else, is "educated," or "intellectual" - this is rather insignificant terminology in the current era.

What matters is whether or not you still think about what's going on around you, and then derive your own particular view,
or whether you simply absorb the media misinformation, and then spew it all back out again as your opinion.

Perhaps you need some antacid tablets.

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Originally Posted by Wayne

mate, I love your reviews and the vibe you give the forum on sex matters. But mate, I am afraid you really don't know the first thing about economics. I won't give a lecture - I've given plenty in the past - but I will say you ought to broaden your research from News Corp and listen to others than a few shockjocks. Hadley, Jones, Bolt et al are stirrers: pure an simple. They have zero intellectual credibility and wouldn't know an argument from a polemic, a debate from an agitation. It is the base tactic of the rightwing: divide. By labelling and putting people and ideas into little boxes, categories, it is easy to generalise and diminish those ideas. By ignoring nuanced reasoning and refusing to acknowledge the logic of premises, it is easy to establish an antithesis. But impossible to give a logical thesis. And that is the point. Abbott, and who he represents, do not respect logical thinking. His economics are deeply flawed. We know he is a religious nutter and has no idea about science. His four year election campaign was based on emotional slogans. All pretty clear indicators that he is not a rational man. And me, for one, would rather be governed by rationality than the ideological hogwash he comes out with and that you - I am afraid to say - you are regurgitating.

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You are quick to call Abbott a "religious nutter" and say he has "no idea about science."
Yet, he successfully won a general election from opposition, and he is a rhodes scholar.
He has already done more in his life than you will ever do in yours. You wear your logic,
rational, atheist hat with an ironically religious fervour, causing you to quickly ridicule those
who have a different view from your own - in this ugly approach are the seeds of totalitarianism.
You demonstrate very clearly why scientists and rationalists should never be in any position of power.

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Originally Posted by SmilingGiraffe

You are quick to call Abbott a "religious nutter" and say he has "no idea about science."
Yet, he successfully won a general election from opposition, and he is a rhodes scholar.
He has already done more in his life than you will ever do in yours. You wear your logic,
rational, atheist hat with an ironically religious fervour, causing you to quickly ridicule those
who have a different view from your own - in this ugly approach are the seeds of totalitarianism.
You demonstrate very clearly why scientists and rationalists should never be in any position of power.

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um, really. You rather prove my point.

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Originally Posted by Wayne

And me, for one, would rather be governed by rationality than the ideological hogwash he comes out with and that you - I am afraid to say - you are regurgitating.

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Haha, Master Wayne,


Thanks for the education and lesson in the English language, I'm afraid to read through your post, I have to refer to my desktop Collins like half a dozen times !!

REGURGITATING - Wow, what a word, I would have no idea !!

1. to surge or rush back, as liquids, gases, or undigested food.
2. to vomit.
3. to give back or repeat, esp. something not fully understood or assimilated: to regurgitate a teacher's lectures.

Learn something new everyday.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Wayne

Hadley, Jones, Bolt et al are stirrers: pure an simple. They have zero intellectual credibility and wouldn't know an argument from a polemic, a debate from an agitation. ....................and that you - I am afraid to say - you are regurgitating.

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BTW, you are actually right, the 4% and 2.5% interest rates I mentioned in my post I heard from Alan Jones this morning, which I'm sure he has done his research on that or the programmers has, so now that I know what "regurgitating" means, yes, I was repeating what I heard from the radio.

But so did you right ??

If you didn't listen to the same program, how do you know I was repeating ??

And if you do listen to Jones every morning, may be he is Not half as bad as you made him out to be !

Just wondering.

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Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR

BTW, you are actually right, the 4% and 2.5% interest rates I mentioned in my post I heard from Alan Jones this morning, which I'm sure he has done his research on that or the programmers has, so now that I know what "regurgitating" means, yes, I was repeating what I heard from the radio.

But so did you right ??

If you didn't listen to the same program, how do you know I was repeating ??

And if you do listen to Jones every morning, may be he is Not half as bad as you made him out to be !

Just wondering.

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I like what your saying Ahlungor....nice one.

To beat the enemy you have to know the enemy. Not surprise people turn in to listen to shock jock programs.

Regarding accuracy .. people remember 2012 18 October 2012 Australian Communication and Media Authority agreement with 2GB

http://theconversation.com/a-very-na...o-school-10212

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Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR

Haha, Master Wayne,


Thanks for the education and lesson in the English language, I'm afraid to read through your post, I have to refer to my desktop Collins like half a dozen times !!

REGURGITATING - Wow, what a word, I would have no idea !!

1. to surge or rush back, as liquids, gases, or undigested food.
2. to vomit.
3. to give back or repeat, esp. something not fully understood or assimilated: to regurgitate a teacher's lectures.

Learn something new everyday.

Cheers

:cool2:

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Always happy to oblige. But really, you should broaden the base of your reading and listening. No, I don't listen to Jones but sometimes - its usually in a taxi - I have the misfortune to hear some of his rants. He is very good at arguing black is white. Just wish he would frequent zebra crossings.

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Originally Posted by SmilingGiraffe

You wear your logic,
rational, atheist hat with an ironically religious fervour, causing you to quickly ridicule those
who have a different view from your own - in this ugly approach are the seeds of totalitarianism.
You demonstrate very clearly why scientists and rationalists should never be in any position of power.

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I agree with you. Those stupid people using their 'facts' and so called scientific evidence to try and decide what's best for everybody. I can feel the terrorism right there.

No one with any sense of reason would be using that.

I use rhetoric and my own ideas to judge what is best. And you're right, scientists should have no place in society to make decisions based on their so called 'evidence' bs. As if that's based on anything.

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Originally Posted by lockhart

To beat the enemy you have to know the enemy. Not surprise people turn in to listen to shock jock programs.

Regarding accuracy .. people remember 2012 18 October 2012 Australian Communication and Media Authority agreement with 2GB

http://theconversation.com/a-very-na...o-school-10212

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Yep...

Unfortunately, like most decisions made by ACMA this one has not been enforced and will never be. We need a media regulator with real teeth :(

I don't believe 2gb has as much influence as Alan Jones wants us to believe. He's probably able to stay on the air because he probably owns a stake in 2gb.

Anyways rumour has it that he is gay. Just sayin...

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Originally Posted by dohdoe

I agree with you. Those stupid people using their 'facts' and so called scientific evidence to try and decide what's best for everybody. I can feel the terrorism right there.

No one with any sense of reason would be using that.

I use rhetoric and my own ideas to judge what is best. And you're right, scientists should have no place in society to make decisions based on their so called 'evidence' bs. As if that's based on anything.

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um, err, are you using a computer? Who developed the mathematics behind the programming that runs the software? Who experimented, recorded and developed the metallurgy that made the hardware? Some of this science was developed 3,000 years ago - that's hard long the principles of theorising, experimenting and developing processes take? Do you fly in airplanes? Do you watch television? Do you take medicines when you are ill? Do you eat food bought in a supermarket?

Oh right, scientists should have no place in our society. Here is an idea: let's put Tony Abbott's church back in charge of things. They did a sterling job back before they were sidelined, burning scientists who dared argue that the earth is not flat. Good one mate.

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Originally Posted by dohdoe

I don't believe 2gb has as much influence as Alan Jones wants us to believe. He's probably able to stay on the air because he probably owns a stake in 2gb.

Anyways rumour has it that he is gay. Just sayin...

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He stays because he speaks to his audience which is old old old rusted on righties... And he owns a stake in the station ;)

As to him being gay, what the hell does that have to do with anything?

He is an asshole who peddles rumours, insults, half-truths, selected titbits and outright lies. These are then spread to the wider community by the lazy hacks that we call journalists nowadays. And he is allowed to do so with absolute abandon by his bosses and the regulator. That is what makes him dangerous, not that he is gay. His sexual orientation is totally beside the point.

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Originally Posted by Wayne

um, err, are you using a computer? Who developed the mathematics behind the programming that runs the software? Who experimented, recorded and developed the metallurgy that made the hardware? Some of this science was developed 3,000 years ago - that's hard long the principles of theorising, experimenting and developing processes take? Do you fly in airplanes? Do you watch television? Do you take medicines when you are ill? Do you eat food bought in a supermarket?

Oh right, scientists should have no place in our society. Here is an idea: let's put Tony Abbott's church back in charge of things. They did a sterling job back before they were sidelined, burning scientists who dared argue that the earth is not flat. Good one mate.

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Ummmm... I actually read dohdoe's post as sarcasm?

Perhaps I was wrong.:grimace:

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Originally Posted by uglyphil

Ummmm... I actually read dohdoe's post as sarcasm?

Perhaps I was wrong.:grimace:

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oh sorry, I can be really dim sometimes. It is just that there is so much ill-informed stuff written here that I just reacted. Should just keep out of it.

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Originally Posted by uglyphil

Ummmm... I actually read dohdoe's post as sarcasm?

Perhaps I was wrong.:grimace:

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I believe it's sarcasm !

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Originally Posted by Wayne

oh sorry, I can be really dim sometimes. It is just that there is so much ill-informed stuff written here that I just reacted. Should just keep out of it.

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Not at all Wayne, there is no emotion in type, so it can be really difficult to tell and mistakes will be made. Who knows, as I already said, I could be wrong myself :D

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Originally Posted by SmilingGiraffe

Chinese State Owned Enterpises have already bought significant parts of Australia's economic assets, most recently the Newcastle / Hunter docks for a couple of billion dollars. (It was on the news recently - NSW Govt selling off assets). Other Chinese companies that claim they are not SOEs almost certainly are, and could very quickly be nationlised by CCP if necessary. As more and more economic assets are sold, Australia's economy will continue to become more command based and centralised, like China - the Asianisation of Australia.

It is beyond question that Australia's current social policy, political and economic system is based on its European western democratic heritage. Asianisation and muti-culturalism (particularly Asianisation) is transforming Australia in every way, including its social democratic heritage. As the culture changes, so is the economy and social policy expectations, in order to fit better within the Asia-Pacific region. And it's happening at an ever increasing rate. This is irrefutable - look around and you will see.

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You need to quote your 'significant parts of Australian economic assets' you are talking about rather that broad, blue style fanciful statements on Chinese investment.

As of 2011 investment in Australian projects in that year China as 3.5% of the total with USA, UK, Japan, Germany far far in front of Chinese investment.

This is irrefutable - look around and you will see.

And here is 2013 direct from AusTrade website.

http://www.austrade.gov.au/Images/Us...tion1_pg14.jpg

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Originally Posted by uglyphil

As to him being gay, what the hell does that have to do with anything?

He is an asshole who peddles rumours, insults, half-truths, selected titbits and outright lies.
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His sexual orientation is totally beside the point.

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Oh him being potentially gay means everything...to his audience. It needs to be answered!!! Much like how Julia was a woman and why doesn't she have kids!!!