Sugarbabes - Sydney, Melbourne and Gold Coast markets

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Originally Posted by andrewv

I give them the cash during the brief meet-and-greet. Never send money before any meetings, and as you probably know some scammers do ask for "petrol money" or whatever. I don't.
My view (and I take note of the @rogeryou above) is they are selling their time. It isn't dating. But naturally if the very few are prepared to meet & greet without expectations then that's eben better. By the way, a few on seeking tried to ask for $300 or $400 to meet & greet (or meet for lunch or dinner). I reject those because in my experience it takes 2 or 3 minutes to determine if there is chemistry --- and I don't want to get stuck with anyone for a whole lunch or dinner if after 2-3 minutes I wanna get the hell out of there fast.

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I understand your modus operandus and it’s certainly one I’ve used in the past. I accept that as an older European man I am going to be bypassed by younger, better looking guys in Sydney.

Many young women on the site are just as tired of the players, coke heads and cheapskates that use it like tinder. So I also offer them a gift on our first date and usually take them somewhere nice for dinner - so make it a real date.

I suppose the difference is that I’d spend similar money as you would but I wouldn’t do such a short meet. If I’m ready to spend that money on them then I want a proper evening of their time so that I can convert them for the next meet and hopefully ongoing. My SBs are Caucasians or mixed race and generally between 23 and 30.

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Originally Posted by cocktopus

Lol be cool. Seems like most of these girls aren't keen on PPM so looks like a lot of time is spent finding the diamonds in the rough.

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Do you mean they are looking for an allowance or something else?

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Originally Posted by Frederic

There are usually dozens of new ones every week. I don't even bother messaging girls who have become hardened SBs

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The reality is that some girls just turn into expensive private sex workers and pretend they are not. They really should be on Scarlet Blue or with one of the agencies but they probably don’t want to pay for the profile or are just telling themselves that fucking five nights a week is “just a bit of fun on the side”.

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Originally Posted by DrBean

Many young women on the site are just as tired of the players, coke heads and cheapskates that use it like tinder.

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Genuine question here as I've never gone on SA but doesn't asking for PPM scream cheapskate? I'm assuming SBs would love a SD that pays them everything and they don't have to put out?

Like how would you convince them to offer themselves BB for prices that are cheaper than a brothel WL?

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Originally Posted by Meng

Genuine question here as I've never gone on SA but doesn't asking for PPM scream cheapskate? I'm assuming SBs would love a SD that pays them everything and they don't have to put out?

Like how would you convince them to offer themselves BB for prices that are cheaper than a brothel WL?

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It depends very much on the country you are punting in and what the SB has been exposed to before joining the site.

The majority of men in Australia, UK and Europe are offering PPMs - what the payment is varies. Some girls want gifts, some want money, some want bills paid, etc.

That kind of thing is romanticised in films like Pretty Women and Netlifx documentaries. It's not reality and most normal women know that. The ones that do expect you to pay for everything don't last long on Seeking as they soon find out that the whales they are after do not exist, or if they do, their expectations are way too high for the women who think they are getting an easy ride.

Allowances are also more common in the USA and Canada, although in some US cities there is still a lot of PPM. It's just a lot higher than here.

The women on the social media sites scream about PPMs as being cheapskate, but the reality is that many women feel safer with cash in hand rather than the promise of an allowance at the end of the month.

Allowances (or monthly payments) also come with lots of strings that most women on Seeking do not want - if you are going to pay someone an allowance you are going to be asking for greater frequency of meets, more access to their life and probably something that looks like a monogamous relationship. Very few men and women go onto a Sugarbabe site looking for that. It's more like a bit of fun on the side for some cash - not giving over your life to someone.

So no it does not scream cheapskate. What screams cheapskate is some fat boy in mum's basement sending messages like "wanna fuck for 200".

Ok thanks for clarifying. The other question is they're taking less cash than a WL which I also find quite strange. Are they not on the site looking get some money?

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Originally Posted by Meng

Ok thanks for clarifying. The other question is they're taking less cash than a WL which I also find quite strange. Are they not on the site looking get some money?

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They accept less cash because they have agency over who they sleep with. Not really different to ML’s vs WL’s.

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Originally Posted by Meng

Ok thanks for clarifying. The other question is they're taking less cash than a WL which I also find quite strange. Are they not on the site looking get some money?

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You get all sorts.

The career SBs, many have premium membership and disappear from time to time.

The girls that want money just for meets. I've even been called in the middle of the night to pay for her Uber from Barangaroo to Emersons Park, lol hard pass. She was hot and 21 though.

You get the WLs that try to fool you and want an hourly rate.

International students looking for money, accommodation and PR.

Girls who are sick of dating apps looking for long term arrangements that evolves into a relationship.



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Originally Posted by Riff888

Hahahaha, yeah there's some history there 😂

It's only a matter of time when the QLD bros will realise the TNT scammer.

Some advice, don't let your SB move in with you. Not unless you can give up your habits.

It's been an interesting 12 months.

Lived with 2 SBs in 2 different apartments. Both found out about each other, 1 hates me completely, I'm still with one.

I'll give staying with one a go for awhile.

Not sure I can fully stop checking out privates here and there.

I swear I don't know how but girls just know.

Sixth sense is real.

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You had posted a pic of one of them with the most amazing rack on the planet.

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Originally Posted by Meng

Ok thanks for clarifying. The other question is they're taking less cash than a WL which I also find quite strange. Are they not on the site looking get some money?

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Some don’t even realise that they have become WLs, a sugar baby is more palatable when you are trying to justify it in your head I would imagine.

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Originally Posted by Meng

Ok thanks for clarifying. The other question is they're taking less cash than a WL which I also find quite strange. Are they not on the site looking get some money?

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Maybe they haven't even researched how much a real WL pulls in? I mean, let's assume that the SB really thinks of herself as not a prostitute. Then she wouldn't even compare herself to them... So she wouldn't even try to match a prostitutes pay.

All about what she thinks she is, I guess.

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Originally Posted by GoldfishMan

Maybe they haven't even researched how much a real WL pulls in? I mean, let's assume that the SB really thinks of herself as not a prostitute. Then she wouldn't even compare herself to them... So she wouldn't even try to match a prostitutes pay.

All about what she thinks she is, I guess.

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Would being a SB eventually progress to being a WL? Yes it's naive to think this but I do wonder how many WLs (privates) started off this way.

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Originally Posted by Riff888

It's been an interesting 12 months.

Lived with 2 SBs in 2 different apartments. Both found out about each other, 1 hates me completely, I'm still with one.

I swear I don't know how but girls just know.

Sixth sense is real.

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Hard to know...

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Originally Posted by Riff888

The girls that want money just for meets. I've even been called in the middle of the night to pay for her Uber from Barangaroo to Emersons Park, lol hard pass. She was hot and 21

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Maybe this could be why?

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Originally Posted by Meng

Genuine question here as I've never gone on SA but doesn't asking for PPM scream cheapskate? I'm assuming SBs would love a SD that pays them everything and they don't have to put out?

Like how would you convince them to offer themselves BB for prices that are cheaper than a brothel WL?

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From my experience, many girls say on their profiles that they are not looking for one-off meetings or PPM. In fact, we men are not allowed to mention PPM as one of the rules of the seeking site.

In most cases it is simply the girls’ wishful thinking that there is a SD out there that will pay them a monthly allowance to fund their lifestyle— several are asking for serious amounts like $2,000 a week to cover rent and food.

However, the reality is the only honest way is to be paid when meetings occur. In my case, I say to them that I like to start with a payment each time a meeting takes place and if things become regular we can move to a weekly or monthly fixed amount. I never did that (move to an allowance payment).

The other reality is I am confident they all see other men even when they say they’re after an exclusive arrangement or “only one man”.

Keep in mind that young 20 to 28 year old women do think that old guys are suckers. It’s unspoken but why would any man give $$$ cash to get sex!!!
All the bullshit language around keeping it sound as not sex for sale is them and us being delusional.

After all, would you insist on giving a woman $500 or more every time you fuck her if she said she doesn’t want money.

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Originally Posted by GoldfishMan

Maybe they haven't even researched how much a real WL pulls in? I mean, let's assume that the SB really thinks of herself as not a prostitute. Then she wouldn't even compare herself to them... So she wouldn't even try to match a prostitutes pay.

All about what she thinks she is, I guess.

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+1

Ultimately we are all prostitutes selling our bodies and/or abilities for a fistful of dollars.
Every man and woman has a price it's just a matter of finding out how much they are worth, and in Cristiano Ronaldo's case - $4m per week.

Lol. So in summary. In order to justify to themselves internally that they aren't a WL they have sex with punters for cheap. Think men have found a new cheaper outlet here lol.

It's like a reverse terminator Skynet? Where in the movie Skynet becomes self aware. A SB is un-self aware that they're basically a WL?!

You’re making an assumption that everyone should get paid the same?

That’s not how it works. It’s a market place. People are bargaining based on personal needs, motivation and attraction.

It’s not a unionized workforce mate

And yes it is cheaper by the hour or the round of sex. But it's harder work to get there. Most guys don't have the patience or the ability so they just overpay. They should stick to escorts.

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Originally Posted by Meng

Lol. So in summary. In order to justify to themselves internally that they aren't a WL they have sex with punters for cheap. Think men have found a new cheaper outlet here lol.

It's like a reverse terminator Skynet? Where in the movie Skynet becomes self aware. A SB is un-self aware that they're basically a WL?!

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Sugar babies have the power to choose which men to sleep with, while WL generally accept whoever knocks on the door (with some exceptions).

Downside for men is the added cost of hotel rooms because most sb girls ‘cannot host’.

In my experience, most WL that I’ve seen are better at FS than sb amateurs. WL arrangements are simpler and expectations on both sides are much more defined. No games.

SB Asianinvasion on the Goldie is asking for $1k, is there any review on her or any one seen her ?
Want to treat myself to a birthday gift. She's willing to stay for few hours.