Can a WL ever adjust to a normal life?

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Originally Posted by JJBlows

Me personally i dont think It's a "holier than thou" attitude, it's a response to rejection.

some men out there simply think that by flashing their cash and spending it on a woman (wl or not) with lavish gifts or large tips is how you attract a female partner and they think all woman are like that, but when you have so much money and she still can't feel like she can't connect with you and dumps you, some blokes instantly think she was only here for the money not realising she couldn't talk to you etc (all that other bullshit in normal relationships). But she also could be a gold digger and you have only yourself to blame.

Now this in a WL situation, the girl is here to make money off you, you spend money on her even though she's not interested in you, you feel rejected and you automatically place her in the same category as "all woman" in the scenario I mentioned above when punting is a different dynamic.

That's why I never ever ever tip a ML or WL extra because some guys do and only fuck it up for themselves in the future "maybe if I show her I'm rich and generous maybe she will like me" .......dude your fucking 50 with a belly and she's in her 20's and fit as fuck like seriously you are playing yourself and she doesn't even have to try.

Not all WL want your money in order to like ya, because I ain't rich but I have been pampered by some girls, but I have come across some very very greedy girls

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Hmm maybe you're right. Yeah, you can't really buy love with money, no matter if it's a WL or not.

These older folk, they must be extremely lonely to resort to this kind of pandering... Or they've never experienced actual love before and that's real depressing.

Yeah, there's gonna be gold diggers everywhere but can you really blame them?
Making money these days is not easy especially with many of the opportunities drying up even for legit industries that used to hire + pay like crazy.
There's a reason why there's so many young Japanese girls working as WLs. How else are you going to make any decent amount of money without slaving away at some bullshit retail/fast food job?

Don’t fight among yourself brothers! Deep down all of us punters know. Heart doesn’t belong in this kind of situation.

1. If you feel not good, after hearing a sad story from SW and feel guilty to take advantage of her. It means GOOD, you are still have hope not like the rest of us here. Cling to that feeling, and stop punting. World outside is huge, who knows , maybe you will find someone that can heal your heart sooner than you think.

2. If you feel nothing, after hearing a sad story from SW. It means you similar like ME. So continue what you doing without regret. We know our heart somewhat broken. What WE can do is trying not to be an *asshole* with SW in the room. At least show the dignity that we are men. Show them consideration and respect and be kind to her. If she said she quitting. Congrats them and give them hope, that she will have a better job and life than this.

3. If you are the *asshole* like the one who hurts the girl. Like choking the girl until her neck has marks. Insert your thumb to girls butt until she bleeding. Cum inside her when she pussy sliding you without telling her. Stealth BB her without her consent. Sorry Bro if you the one in this category, there is no hope for you. Better check to a psychiatrist.

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Originally Posted by hornybastard123

Hmm maybe you're right. Yeah, you can't really buy love with money, no matter if it's a WL or not.

These older folk, they must be extremely lonely to resort to this kind of pandering... Or they've never experienced actual love before and that's real depressing.

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Oh, I'd say us (you say old, I say mature) folks have a much better chance of understanding the difference between sex and love. It's the younguns, without a solid life foundation, that tend to confuse the two and go off the deep end.

As to those not accepting the provider moving on, I think JJBlows is spot on:

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Originally Posted by JJBlows

Wanting the girl to fail? 100% it's this when he realises he spent a fuck tonne on her and he ain't getting anywhere further or extra with her outside of that punting environment and how he copes is to say they she is now greedy only wants that lifestyle and will be stuck doing that for the rest of her life and end up being a old hag at a $150 shop.

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AKA "sour grapes" (showing my age, having grown up with Aesop's fables). Trouble happens when older/mature want to relive their glory days and don't accept the fact that she doesn't necessarily share the fantasy outside of work hours. As long as you accept that the great providers are great actresses, playing the role you want, for the duration of the play, great. But understand it's YOUR fantasy, not hers. When she's tired of the role, thank her, wish her well, move on. As I've said, no one is irreplaceable.

As for gold diggers, I stick with a defined benefits plan. They're easily and quickly identified and cut loose.

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Originally Posted by Digby

How can you trust a person without knowing their background or base an assessment on it? You yourself said you did risk assessment for a living.

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Guess I'm more of an "innocent until proven guilty" type. As PussyBonpensiero corrected, I judge her current actions, not past. Start from a clean slate and go from there.

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Originally Posted by Digby

Out of all the guys you know 11Bravo who have paired with a WL or ML into a relationship how many have made a go of it percentage wise? I personally know of four and they’ve all failed.

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Given I don't run background checks on friends' significant others, even those that are (shock :shocked: horror :horror:) foreign born, difficult to say. Their lives, their choices. But the ones I do know: 75% (3-1), all 15-20 years together. Maybe they're like Indiana Jones who heeded the Old Knight's advice: choose wisely.

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Originally Posted by Digby

They say dreams hold meaning. This morning I dreamt I was cheated on by a WL and for some reason the guy was Italian. It’s enough to throw a spanner in the works as far as she is concerned. Call me silly, stupid, a follower of old wives tails or maybe it’s intuition but it’s now presented a hurdle that she’ll have to cross over.

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Myself, dreams, fantasies, are just that. I base my life, my choices, on REALITY. I find THAT works out much better for me. Certainly not always the way I want, but much better chances. Cheated on by a WG? If it's "on the job", then it's "work". If it's outside the job then she just doesn't view the relationship the same as you. She has to jump through hurdles for YOU? Jesus, Vinnie, Spanky, Revenant, Digby... the height of conceit. You recognize a lion by his claw.

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Originally Posted by Digby

I’m not even the jealous type but TRUST is my main priority. If you cannot trust how can you follow through?

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I'll paraphrase the Beatles: The trust you take is equal to the trust you make.

If you're in a relationship with a WG, understand the parameters. If you're not paying full support, with retirement plan, then she will go to work. It's WORK. And if it's only the money that's keeping her with you, then... don't be surprised when she jumps for a better offer. With a WG, you have a lot of built in doubt by her to overcome. It's you that needs to be jumping hurdles. Permanent or casual relationship? Big difference, and to her, even more so. "But she's this SYT and I have so much to offer... well, at least for now." Hell, I find your superior attitude nauseating, and I'm NOT interested in any type of a relationship with you. You're like the spoiled little kid who throws a temper tantrum when things don't go exactly the way you imagine they should.

Your trouble? You see her as a WG, not as a person. To you, she'll always be that, and she knows it. Death spiral.

You’re right on some things 11Bravo.

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Originally Posted by Digby

You’re right on some things 11Bravo.

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Bit of second thoughts? You should have more of those, not just with your posting, but also with editing your behavior. I was going to reply to the original, but had to get over my nausea first. A prime example of the benefits of patience. You can learn by example, right? Little Digby (I do like that handle, fits), Little Digby must have gotten over his temper tantrum.

1. Penalty box to teach her a lesson? Good news: you are teaching her a lesson. Bad news: NOT the lesson you want, just puts you in a very bad light (Thai speak: small heart, small heart). As Mom told me, "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face."

2. Blow someone's life up? WTF? That really is the definition of NOT YOUR GODDAMN BUSINESS. Certainly makes the case for JJBlows posts above. The arrogance, egotism, and pettiness are beyond the pale. But as my best mate would say: "Better to take the high road. In the end, you WILL feel better about YOURSELF".

And yes, your post was memorable, for all the WRONG reasons.

Bookies taking bets on ("they're crawling back to me", "I cut them loose, found better", "I grew up"); last one is the long shot.

But enough of that. Now, for something completely different, see below.

Tells for when to bail:

• If a PRC refers to you as a capitalist lackey
• If a Korean is wearing a Kim Jong Un lapel pin
• If a Japanese is wearing a Unit 731 insignia
• If an Indian refers to you as an exploitive colonialist
• If a Malay refers to you as an infidel dog
• If a Cambodian is wearing a Pol Pot lapel pin
• If a HongKonger makes disparaging remarks about your umbrella
• If a Thai mentions "feeding the ducks"
• If a Viet starts screaming, "You die, GI, you die"

Grab your boots and run like hell.

Judging people by their current actions. They say a leopard cannot change its spots which is true isn’t it? Can people change and if so can they change for the better? Aren’t they a result of their programming, life’s conditioning? A product of their environment, their work and their social interactions.

Maybe I took the wrong road, made a wrong choice or three, maybe it was giving into temptation and I never stopped cheating, so how can one trust if they themselves cannot be trusted? You say trust is earnt not given but if sex is a drug then why wasn’t the cupboard kept locked? Why is unlimited sex so freely available and those with a bent for pleasure allowed access? Perhaps the govt should regulate number of visits to houses of ill repute? I jest of course as it’s all down to self control and some don’t have any. It’s either ON or OFF you see… Maybe the internet is to blame for putting things right there in our faces?

Does porn promote promiscuity and if it does then just how promiscuous are people that work in the industry?

I know ex wls now happy marriage but man not customer and not knowing her old job

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Originally Posted by konfuzion

I know ex wls now happy marriage but man not customer and not knowing her old job

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How much sex does he get?

I’m always wary of a woman who carries two bags. One larger for her kit and the other her EDC, that’s for going to work of course. Now if they’re packing a spare G banger in their EDC and no large carry then that’s just as bad as she’ll drop her pants anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Spectra

How much sex does he get?

I’m always wary of a woman who carries two bags. One larger for her kit and the other her EDC, that’s for going to work of course. Now if they’re packing a spare G banger in their EDC and no large carry then that’s just as bad as she’ll drop her pants anywhere.

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Not ask that question but I think wl can have normal life but can still do job if need money. No good to marry punter because we know alot. 1 old wl have 2 kids and run very good private wl business

Lost a regular due to her having a mental breakdown, I mean she’s still alive but I decided to stop seeing her as she’s not herself. She’s genuinely a good person, she has a lot on her plate, kids, mortgage back home and to top it up she’s not young anymore.

She’s in a desperate stage to find a simp here to milk and hopefully stop working, she actually have one or more, but I think these simps are smart enough or maybe experienced it already so they won’t put anything under her name. It would be interesting to see where she’s at soon, of course I kinder worry a little but it’s the game of punting, we are human but the way we met wasn’t the norm to be friends, well at least in my book. I’m sure she’s the same too, I don’t think she would call or text me just to see if I’m doing ok.

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Originally Posted by konfuzion

Not ask that question but I think wl can have normal life but can still do job if need money. No good to marry punter because we know alot. 1 old wl have 2 kids and run very good private wl business

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We all need money it’s just a matter of how much. Without the benefit of forums like aus99 a lot of punters would be making more mistakes. Personally I know of four guys, one a relative who gave and gave and in the end were left with nothing. So yes the internet has made punters wiser. I’m always curious about the amount of sex though as men punt due to their hunger and if things go further than a punt some guys expect a lot of sex. It’d be pointless getting into a relationship if the amount of sex wasn’t what their partner wanted.

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Originally Posted by Candy1234

Lost a regular due to her having a mental breakdown, I mean she’s still alive but I decided to stop seeing her as she’s not herself. She’s genuinely a good person, she has a lot on her plate, kids, mortgage back home and to top it up she’s not young anymore.

She’s in a desperate stage to find a simp here to milk and hopefully stop working, she actually have one or more, but I think these simps are smart enough or maybe experienced it already so they won’t put anything under her name. It would be interesting to see where she’s at soon, of course I kinder worry a little but it’s the game of punting, we are human but the way we met wasn’t the norm to be friends, well at least in my book. I’m sure she’s the same too, I don’t think she would call or text me just to see if I’m doing ok.

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I’ve never had one txt me in the first instance ever and I always initiate and orchestrate the conversation. I’ve had a few Asian girlfriends (5 Pinay, 1 Japanese, 5 Thai and 2 HK) with families back home. I know they come here wanting a better life for themselves and to give back to their families and a lot don’t make the correct decisions. They make the money and try and invest it but the advice they’re given isn’t always the best. Some get tangled up with loser boyfriends/husbands who take only.

Life isn’t easy and I have compassion for all the ones I cross paths with but one cannot give everything to everyone even if you have power to do so. Your ex regular Candy1234 has her hands full and in reality she should be making an exit plan and stick to it.

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Originally Posted by Spectra

Life isn’t easy and I have compassion for all the ones I cross paths with but one cannot give everything to everyone even if you have power to do so. Your ex regular Candy1234 has her hands full and in reality she should be making an exit plan and stick to it.

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True to that! I think the whole coming here for a better life and to show for back home that she “made it”. The whole materialistic fake life stuffed her for sure. I straight up told that to her face and of course she didn’t like it but at the same time it hit a spot, you know? Finding a men here to escape route I think also the wrong way to go about it. I’m a lot younger so there’s no agenda on both sides. I do wish her all the best lol but at the same time my evil side wants her to recover and continue to work so I can bang bang.

The original post in this thread contemplated whether both ML's and WL's could make the transition to normal life. I think that both Ml's and WL's can do it but it is much easier for ML's and also simpler for part timers.

Why? A WL is just part of the menu, her control over herself and what she will do is limited and once the client is through the door she is pretty much committed. An ML on the other hand always retains the power and control over what she will do - or not do. She may be generous with extras, but it is her decision not the clients. Similarly a part timer, who may be a student or who has a second job can convince herself that it is only a temporary money earner.

However, the girl and especially a WL who works 5/6 days a week with no fall back plan is on the slippery slope of working a $150 shop when she is 50+ and desperate.

Last week I saw an old 60+ fat short Caucasian guy in Burwood with a good looking probably early 30s Chinese girl dressed like she came out of a massage parlour. The people talking in Chinese behind her back saying "She dosent have any self respect" or "she trying hard to get a citizenship" and the amount of dirty stares she got from everyone made her uncomfortable where I saw her distancing herself from him quick. Not being judgemental to anyone here but that's the reality where people would think poorly of you and the girls know it.

One of my friends who was a WL actually switch to ML to transition out of the industry.

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Originally Posted by Smolex

One of my friends who was a WL actually switch to ML to transition out of the industry.

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Some mix it up to give their vajayjay a break.

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Originally Posted by Smolex

One of my friends who was a WL actually switch to ML to transition out of the industry.

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That's like saying a taxi driver switched to Uber to transition out of the industry.

is hard you know? very hard. I think I can just walk away start new life but no. Eight years I spend in this life since 20 years old. Now I'm 28 what I have? nothing. just memories regrets.

I try quit once marry rich guy think he make me happy but no he no understand me. we divorce after one year.

now I alone struggling. no more designer bag no more fancy trip. just me four wall thinking what could be.

I miss excitement rush feeling wanted. but most I miss money. hard to live paycheck to paycheck when you used to get whatever you want.

sometime I wish go back do different. but life no work that way. only I can do now try move forward one day one day.

you know I grateful for experience lessons. but sometime quiet moment I wonder... all this worth?

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Originally Posted by sarahnguyen

is hard you know? very hard. I think I can just walk away start new life but no. Eight years I spend in this life since 20 years old. Now I'm 28 what I have? nothing. just memories regrets.

I try quit once marry rich guy think he make me happy but no he no understand me. we divorce after one year.

now I alone struggling. no more designer bag no more fancy trip. just me four wall thinking what could be.

I miss excitement rush feeling wanted. but most I miss money. hard to live paycheck to paycheck when you used to get whatever you want.

sometime I wish go back do different. but life no work that way. only I can do now try move forward one day one day.

you know I grateful for experience lessons. but sometime quiet moment I wonder... all this worth?

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Sorry to hear, but you're still very young at 28 and have a lot of time to make up for regret.

10 years from now you will give anything and everything to be 28 again

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Originally Posted by sarahnguyen

is hard you know? very hard. I think I can just walk away start new life but no. Eight years I spend in this life since 20 years old. Now I'm 28 what I have? nothing. just memories regrets.

I try quit once marry rich guy think he make me happy but no he no understand me. we divorce after one year.

now I alone struggling. no more designer bag no more fancy trip. just me four wall thinking what could be.

I miss excitement rush feeling wanted. but most I miss money. hard to live paycheck to paycheck when you used to get whatever you want.

sometime I wish go back do different. but life no work that way. only I can do now try move forward one day one day.

you know I grateful for experience lessons. but sometime quiet moment I wonder... all this worth?

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It's your choice if you decide to leave, but you could go back and spend the money more wisely. Go to the gym and get in shape to get more clients. I don't know what your residency status is in the country, but you can save the money and invest it in real estate or stock market and if you have a lot of clients, you can pay off real estate pretty quickly. I knew an older WL in her 40s who had a house paid off but she was an australian citizen.

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Originally Posted by sarahnguyen

is hard you know? very hard. I think I can just walk away start new life but no. Eight years I spend in this life since 20 years old. Now I'm 28 what I have? nothing. just memories regrets.

I try quit once marry rich guy think he make me happy but no he no understand me. we divorce after one year.

now I alone struggling. no more designer bag no more fancy trip. just me four wall thinking what could be.

I miss excitement rush feeling wanted. but most I miss money. hard to live paycheck to paycheck when you used to get whatever you want.

sometime I wish go back do different. but life no work that way. only I can do now try move forward one day one day.

you know I grateful for experience lessons. but sometime quiet moment I wonder... all this worth?

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That’s actually quite sad to read, I’m not sure if you’re a real WL or just another creepy dude acting like one.

Either way, it sounds like what a WL would go through in this job. Girls can make a whole day work in an hour, it’s hard to do 8hrs day on a $25 an hr rate. No offence but personally it is hard to accept a person as a GF/wife that had that many Ds, double standards? Yeh sure. Hats off to anyone that can look past it and date one. I think best escape route is do it by yourself.

As I mentioned in the previous comments. When you get to know the girl, when the deed is done, when she stop her WL acting, there’s a person with her own feelings behind it all, I sometimes feel the guilt of being a part of the whole mess, as a punter. I guess everyone has their problems including myself, life goes on. Punt and move to the next, no need to know the life stories, can’t help so it would be a or many pointless stories.

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Originally Posted by Candy1234

That’s actually quite sad to read, I’m not sure if you’re a real WL or just another creepy dude acting like one.

Either way, it sounds like what a WL would go through in this job. Girls can make a whole day work in an hour, it’s hard to do 8hrs day on a $25 an hr rate. No offence but personally it is hard to accept a person as a GF/wife that had that many Ds, double standards? Yeh sure. Hats off to anyone that can look past it and date one. I think best escape route is do it by yourself.

As I mentioned in the previous comments. When you get to know the girl, when the deed is done, when she stop her WL acting, there’s a person with her own feelings behind it all, I sometimes feel the guilt of being a part of the whole mess, as a punter. I guess everyone has their problems including myself, life goes on. Punt and move to the next, no need to know the life stories, can’t help so it would be a or many pointless stories.

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30hrs a week = 30 guys times 52 weeks thats 1560 guys. If you can be in a relationship knowing that she did it with a whole school throughout one year then go on ahead not to mention keeping up with their irregular spending/income plus low key emotional distress from that job. Not to be mean but while ml/wl want rich guys, the reality is rich guys have many options and would rather have someone who is pure rather than knowing they did it with hundreds of people who are way older, unhygenic or ugly....

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Originally Posted by Candy1234

Either way, it sounds like what a WL would go through in this job. Girls can make a whole day work in an hour, it’s hard to do 8hrs day on a $25 an hr rate. No offence but personally it is hard to accept a person as a GF/wife that had that many Ds, double standards? Yeh sure. Hats off to anyone that can look past it and date one. I think best escape route is do it by yourself.

As I mentioned in the previous comments. When you get to know the girl, when the deed is done, when she stop her WL acting, there’s a person with her own feelings behind it all, I sometimes feel the guilt of being a part of the whole mess, as a punter. I guess everyone has their problems including myself, life goes on. Punt and move to the next, no need to know the life stories, can’t help so it would be a or many pointless stories.

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The only guy who usually dates/marries a WL or ex-WL is an old bald fat Farang. Just see how many is married to a Thai woman. 99.9% of the time, the Thai woman is an ex-hooker. Or is still a hooker, he just doesn't know she is still hooking.

The Farang will obviously lie to family & friends and say they met at a legit place (library, restaurant, hotel etc), even though they met at a bar/massage/brothel. Just to save himself the embarassment

No young, handsome rich guy in his right mind would take a WL/Ex-WL as a life partner